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Obama lost the first debate.  I don't think that is up for "debate". Obama lost.  The next question is why did he lose?  Well I think some people would say he was not plussed like Romney was.  Obama did not seem as eager to argue as Romney. Fair enough. Maybe Obama lost because his body posture was not as robotically erect and imposing as Romney.  OK.  Obama did the ole' "look down at your pad of paper when the other guy is talking" trick (Thanks for that gem coach John Kerry, you are super awesome at debating).  Also, Romney was a bully.  He shoved that dopey senior citizen Jim Lehrer around.  Screw you PBS!!  Obama was much more respectful and deferential to Mr Lehrer that Mitt.  How dare Obama be considerate and respectful? Another point for the Mittbot.

However, I believe the central critique of why Obama's lost contains an implicit win.  

More below the orange smoke monster...

Liberals are attacking Obama because he didn't do what?  What did Obama not do?Obama didn't call out Romney on his lies.  So what is the implication?  Romney lied nd is a liar.  This was a tactical mistake but the conversation have become breakdown or Romney's lies.  The debate is being deconstructed through the prism of Romney's cynicism.  Huffington Post is leading with stories about the lies of Mitt Romney.  Obama is punching at Romney on the veracity of his debate answers.  In a way last night reminds of Paul Ryan's convention speech.  At first everyone was raving about how forceful he gave it to Obama but as the dust settled everyone started to wake up to the facts, and the facts were not good for Paul Ryan.  He told one long tale.  His convention speech become equated to a long lie.  I wonder if the same story line will unfold with Romney's debate performance?

Romney did not make the case for conservative principles.  Romney did not tear down Obama's accomplishments or his second term agenda.  When Romney did land a punch it was only because he surprised Obama and America by lying and all of a sudden pretending to be a  liberal.  My point is, Romney did nothing to wear down the infrastructure of Obama's lead.  

In fact, if I was a conservative and was actually principled I might be worried about the prospect of this Mitt becoming Prez.  Now Romney is all for regulations?  He wants to compromise with liberal Democrats?  Is he really a secret Massachusetts liberal?  Of course ALL CONSERVATIVES are far to cynical to fall for Romney's load of shit.  They know he was faking it to make it last night.  I also think they would not care if Romney governed more liberally than Obama so long as Obama was out.  Cons have no principles other that lie, cheat, steal to win...but I digress.

After last night:
Obama still holds the high ground on Medicare and the rest of the social safety net.
Obama still holds the high ground on caring for the middle class.
Obama still holds the high ground on taxes.
and
Obama GAINED on trust.

If the qualities you are looking for in a President include bullying a senior citizen (Jim Lehrer) physically imposing your self on your opponent during a debate and the ability to unabashedly lie to the American people then Romney made that case.  I do not think Romney made the case for conservatism and I think Obama's so called loss is actually an implicit win.

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  •  The Obama team and even just regular folks have (12+ / 0-)

    already started using Rmoney's debate statements against him.  Obama gave nothing the the Rmoney team to use.

  •  Yep. Obama didn't overperform but he didn't gaffe (5+ / 0-)

    there no point in the debate where he lost his ground.

    He gave specifics and while Pundits love Style, Indies love specifics

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 04:38:38 PM PDT

  •  Nice diary, but Obama did not lose the debate. (3+ / 0-)
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    AdamR510, Catlady62, Larsstephens
  •  speaking of Social Security... (0+ / 0-)

    ...is it just me or did President Obama sort of trap Romney on that last night? His strange statement that both he and Romney pretty much agreed on Social Security, in almost an aside, but as a question received a quick "yes," and nod of the head from Romney. Romney may not have been thinking much about that...but did President Obama not, in fact, get Mitt Romney to agree to a nationally televised audience that he was basically in agreement with the President's position on Social Security?

    If so...all the President has to do regarding that topic going forward is to remind Romney that he made that agreement as recently as...Oct. 3.

  •  Straight-up denial on here (0+ / 0-)

    A) Obama lost the debate badly (unlike what the above commentor says).

    B) this is because Romney lied like crazy and unlike high-school competative debating, lying HELPS you win in a Presidential Debate, as stupid as that is.

    Unlike the judges in debate competitions, the average person watching a presidential debate doesn't have the knowledge of the subject matter to really know what are lies and what are not lies, and the average American doesn't go reading diaries on political websites afterwards.

    Listen, if we all want to find a more realistic silver lining, it's this: debates don't usually mean a whole lot in the election, with 1 debate meaning even less, and there were no huge gaffes by Obama to make it the rare exception that does matter.

  •  I don't quite understand the Lyme disease tag, but (0+ / 0-)

    i love "Lying sack of shit." Bravo!

    You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

    by sewaneepat on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 05:21:20 PM PDT

    •  Maybe he's implying Romney is a tick (0+ / 0-)

      Growing fat and gross and bloated on the lifeblood of the American public?

      "There's an iPad 3 and a Mitt Romney 4 now. They've worked the bugs out. He's not killing hobos at night anymore." Jack Donaghey "If I were a hobo, I'd be damned nervous right now." sagesource

      by muzzleofbees on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 05:48:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Is it because (0+ / 0-)

      the Romney camp actually has a position on fighting Lyme disease?  (They really do... )

      I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

      by Delilah on Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 05:51:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Look, I admire the President BUT (2+ / 0-)
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    joanil, happynz

    he got suckered last night. He was expecting a wimp. Romney ran all over the moderator and the President. Yes, it was all lies and shuck and jive. But what if that were Putin shucking and jiving him?

    I couldn't watch it all. I kept screaming at the screen--call him out!

    Now, here's what we've got--a brilliant and moral president who attended an Indonesian public school in the early elementary grades and is unforgiveably polite when he needs to be as rude as the guy he is debating.

    Now, I'll take the moral and bright one any day. But I'm sorry, Barack--get over it. Wipe up the floor with that liar.

    •  Why do you think this wasn't expected? (1+ / 0-)
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      Larsstephens

      Newt Gringich already said "You cannot debate someone who is dishonest."

      And Romney's obnoxious car salesman debate "style" has been established.

      No way did Team Obama see this coming.

      Their strategy of playing it cool was a choice. Obama cannot out-loud or out-lie Romney. That won't work either.

      If the media would ever do their friggin job, Romney would be called out for each and every lie and be exposed for the rancid fart joke that he is.

      Instead, the superficial self-serving media make "loud lying" a winning debate performance.

      Romney told a lie a minute...too many for Obama to refute one by one. And there was no moderator to plug the lie faucet.

      Instead of the typical Obama disappointment mode, how about some outrage that an utter liar and flip flopping is even being seriously considered by almost half the country and the majority of MSM?

    •  President Obama should have been rude? (1+ / 0-)
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      Larsstephens

      Seriously? You think he'd have won if only he'd been rude?

      Jesus H. Christ on a crutch.

      •  Not rude (0+ / 0-)

        There is a ay to be assertive that isn't loud or rude.

      •  To simply say (0+ / 0-)

        " I am committed to protecting social security benefits" would have been enough; say it a couple times. I liked his lines about "it's the arithmetic." Should have said that ten times, over and over again.

        You don't win a debate with a bully by attacking the bully, but by emphasizing and re-emphasizing a single line or a couple lines.

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