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Here's the video that exposed Romney's view of the 47 percent
Mitt Romney just can't put down his Etch A Sketch:
Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is disavowing his controversial remarks dismissing “the 47 percent” of Americans who don’t pay federal income taxes, saying in an interview Thursday night that the comments were “just completely wrong.”
The only problem here for Romney is that nobody in their right mind will believe his disavowal. It would be one thing if he'd made his original comments in public and immediately corrected himself, but he made them in private, and when he learned that they had become public thanks to a secret recording, his first response was to defend what he'd said. Here's what he said on the night of the tape's release:
I believe the point I was made is that the president starts off with a large number of the voters, 47, 48, 49 percent, something like that. These are people who are in his camp and, uh, they will vote for him almost no matter what. [...]  I point out I recognize that among those that pay no tax, approximately 47 percent of Americans, I’m not likely to be highly successful with the message of lowering taxes. [...] And so I then focus on those individuals who I believe are most likely to be able to be pulled into my camp and help me win the 51 or 50.1 percent that I need to become the next President.
And then the very next day he doubled down again:
I'm talking about a perspective of individuals who I`m not likely to get to support me.

I recognize that those people who are not paying income tax are going to say, gosh, this—this provision of—that Mitt keeps talking about lowering income taxes, that`s not going to be real attractive to them. And those that are dependent upon government and those that think government`s job is redistribute, I—I'm not going to get them.

I know there is a divide in the country about that view. I know some believe that government should take from some to give to the others. I think the president makes it clear in the tape that was released today that that`s what he believes.

And:
I was talking about the fact that I don`t expect to get 60-70 percent of the vote. I understand that some portion will be the president's. Some portion will be mine. I have got to get as many as I can from every single cohort in this country.

But the intent that I want to talk about and that that was intended to speak about was the fact that you have a great divide about whether we want a government that is larger and more intrusive and redistributing income, or whether, instead, you want a government that sees its role as protecting freedom and opportunity and letting free people build more wealth for all people.

And not that you needed another reason to dismiss the credibility of Romney's disavowal, but it turns out that he was actually planning to disavow it during the debate—but couldn't, because the topic never came up. Here's the exchange from last night in which Sean Hannity asked him what he would have said had the topic come up:
HANNITY: But the Left seems furious that this tape where you talk about the 47 percent. Why didn't President Obama bring that up? What would you have said if he did bring it up?

ROMNEY: Well, clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question-and-answer sessions, now and then you will going to say something that doesn't come out right. In this case, I said something that's completely wrong.

You know, given how the debate went, I bet Romney is disappointed he didn't get a chance to tell that lie. He got away with so much bull during the debate that he probably would have gotten away with that too. So in a way, the fact that it didn't come up is a silver lining. That's one lie I'd much rather have him tell to the one or two million voters who watch Sean Hannity than to the 60 or 70 million who tuned in on Wednesday night.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:13 AM PDT.

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  •  No apologies tour cancelled for flip-floppery (20+ / 0-)

    Not that this is even sincere or even includes the word apologize but it is still noteworthy because of the fact at how self-serving it is.

    •  He doesn't need to apologize..... (13+ / 0-)

      ....he gave everybody in attendance at that fundraiser their money back......didn't he??

      It never really happened....retroactively, of course.

      Rule #7...If you supported the Iraq war, you don't get to complain about the national debt.

      by suspiciousmind on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:39:01 AM PDT

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    •  What Romney said about the 47% (14+ / 0-)

      not connecting with his message of lowering taxes was probably correct.  But that wasn't the problem with his speech in front of the Boca Raton fat cats.  Accusing that 47% of "not taking responsibility for their lives" because they weren't paying taxes was the problem.  And he can't very well disavow that; that wasn't an "inelegant" statement - it was a self-righteous, condescending lie.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:39:43 AM PDT

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      •  except, of course, (11+ / 0-)

        a pretty good chunk of that 47 percent are Republican voting seniors. So, go figure.

        •  you are right... (1+ / 0-)
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          hannity says the "left is upset with you"...but his comments are not a left-right issue as there are many right leaning folks mittens smeared.

          mittens' idea of wrong is he was wrong for getting caught. there is no doubt in most people's minds that mittens was speaking from the bottom of his cold, dark heart and in fact his comments just confirmed what we already suspected.

          his strategy is lie like hell and hope there is not enough time left for him to be called out on everything and/or counting on low information voters to take his BS as gospel.

          how many times have mittens mouthpieces come out after the fact and said "oh, no,,,,he meant to say". this is also BS. no one mispeaks that much even mittens. this is their strategy.......lie and obfuscate and hope they don;t get caught.

      •  Exactly - (4+ / 0-)
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        all his explanations had nothing whatsoever to do with the most offensive portion of his comments.

        It's like he never said it. Oh, wait, perhaps he retroactively didn't.

        The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy... the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

        by lcbo on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:50:59 AM PDT

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      •  Stop it! This is hard... (3+ / 0-)
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        The Lady Ann could have stated it more elegantly. "47% of the population doesn't realize how lucky they are to have a man like Mitt to run the country and tell them to go fuck themselves."

        •  Correction: "go borrow $10,000 from your parents" (2+ / 0-)
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          Romney probably sincerely wishes every member of the 47 percent would just go into entrepreneurship!

          BTW, serious correction about 'don't pay taxes'....It's INCOME TAX .....working poor still pay PAYROLL TAX and Lord knows how much we all pay in sales tax, etc. etc.

          I think we need to quote FDR's big picture to counteract Romney because facts don't matter .........Faith, emotions, viscera overwhelm the thinking part of the brain.

          Some thoughts......

          I especially value FDR's phrase about

          "Private enterprise, indeed, became too private. It became privileged enterprise, not free enterprise."
          http://en.wikiquote.org/...

          Speech to the Democratic National Convention (1936)
          Speech in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (27 June 1936)

          SNIPPETS:

          It was natural and perhaps human that the privileged princes of these new economic dynasties, thirsting for power, reached out for control over government itself. They created a new despotism and wrapped it in the robes of legal sanction. In its service new mercenaries sought to regiment the people, their labor, and their property. And as a result the average man once more confronts the problem that faced the Minute Man.
          The hours men and women worked, the wages they received, the conditions of their labor — these had passed beyond the control of the people, and were imposed by this new industrial dictatorship. The savings of the average family, the capital of the small-businessmen, the investments set aside for old age — other people's money — these were tools which the new economic royalty used to dig itself in. Those who tilled the soil no longer reaped the rewards which were their right. The small measure of their gains was decreed by men in distant cities. Throughout the nation, opportunity was limited by monopoly. Individual initiative was crushed in the cogs of a great machine. The field open for free business was more and more restricted. Private enterprise, indeed, became too private. It became privileged enterprise, not free enterprise.
          SNIP
          For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor — other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.
           Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government. The collapse of 1929 showed up the despotism for what it was. The election of 1932 was the people's mandate to end it. Under that mandate it is being ended.
          These economic royalists complain that we seek to overthrow the institutions of America. What they really complain of is that we seek to take away their power. Our allegiance to American institutions requires the overthrow of this kind of power. In vain they seek to hide behind the flag and the Constitution. In their blindness they forget what the flag and the Constitution stand for. Now, as always, they stand for democracy, not tyranny; for freedom, not subjection; and against a dictatorship by mob rule and the over-privileged alike.
          The brave and clear platform adopted by this convention, to which I heartily subscribe, sets forth that government in a modern civilization has certain inescapable obligations to its citizens, among which are protection of the family and the home, the establishment of a democracy of opportunity, and aid to those overtaken by disaster.
          Message to Congress on Tax Revision (19 June 1935)
          if a government is to be prudent its taxes must produce ample revenues without discouraging enterprise; and if it is to be just it must distribute the burden of taxes equitably. I do not believe that our present system of taxation completely meets this test. Our revenue laws have operated in many ways to the unfair advantage of the few, and they have done little to prevent an unjust concentration of wealth and economic power.
  •  There you go again, Jed, (17+ / 0-)

    getting all fact-y on us.   Don't you know that he is running for political office, for Pete's sake!

    Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:18:38 AM PDT

    •  Taken over long ago (2+ / 0-)

      by a bot, more likely.

      Après le thé, le déluge. -- Glenn Beck, aka Napoleon XIV

      by mspicata on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:40:52 AM PDT

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    •  Someone rigged (2+ / 0-)
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      his password generator to his memory chip.

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:58:02 AM PDT

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      •  Article on Why Lies Don't Bother Romney (1+ / 0-)
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        I think this is really important and helpful to know:

        (emphasis is mine)

        http://ideas.time.com/...

        The Root of Mitt Romney’s Comfort with Lying
        The presidential candidate is used to faith-based certainty that translates as truth even in the face of evidence to the contrary
        By Justin Frank, M.D.

        SNIP
        . . . . But in the Mormon Church, there was a decision to accept authority as true — whether or not evidence supported it. Hence Joseph Smith, the founder of the faith in 1820, claimed he was illiterate and received the Book of Mormon directly from God. But he could read, and read very well.

        This unwavering faith is central to Romney’s comfort in deflecting any examples that the press might bring up of his lying. Further, it allows him to repeat lies again and again — both personally and in political advertising — because to him they are not lies at all.

  •  He wants to be their president, too, and... (9+ / 0-)

    ...enroll them all in his new debt peonage program - which will be run through private sector contractors, of course.

    Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore

    by Minerva on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:19:55 AM PDT

  •  Of course he would say that... I mean he (5+ / 0-)

    debated the other night saying basically he wouldn't cut Education or Healthcare. At this point he will say anything

    "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

    by volleyboy1 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:20:39 AM PDT

  •  Rmoney...like a stopped clock... (4+ / 0-)
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    Is correct about this:

    "...I don`t expect to get 60-70 percent of the vote."

    The Republican brand: "Consequences, schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich"

    by D in Northern Virginia on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:21:21 AM PDT

  •  I'd say that Romney tells the truth 47% (8+ / 0-)

    of the time, but that's being waaaay to generous.

    The man wouldn't understand honesty if it came up and bit him in the ass.  He needs to go on a foreign retirement tour and visit his money in the Caymans and Switzerland and where ever else he's got it hidden away, not be in any elected office in America.

    A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

    by jo fish on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:21:29 AM PDT

    •  47% of the vote may be Mitt's self-fulfilling (3+ / 0-)
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      prophecy.

      •  41% (0+ / 0-)

        is mittens floor and the other 6% are those people who in '08 would not vote for a black man (and admitted it).

        think about that, if O wasn't black, he would be up by 8-9 points nationally.........pure hatred. the fact that there is this kind of hatred in America in the year 2012......

    •  maybe it's his money. (2+ / 0-)
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      Money is power.

      He wants an elevator for his cars? It is so.
      A house in every state he's lived in or likes to visit? It is so.
      An Olympic-qualifying dressage horse? It is so.
      To go boating in an unregistered craft? It is so.

      All that Romney wants or needs becomes reality. Perhaps he has got so used to being master of his reality that he has no problem believing he can undo and unsay anything merely by stating it is so.

      What could possibly go wrong with giving such a person access to the nuclear football?

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 12:03:36 PM PDT

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  •  Will the lies never cease? (19+ / 0-)
    Well, clearly in a campaign with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question-and-answer sessions, now and then you will going to say something that doesn't come out right. In this case, I said something that's completely wrong.
    First, the guy is lazy as shite so he's not dealing with hundreds, much less thousands of speeches and question and answer sessions;

    Second, he never sounded more confident than when he delivered that nugget to one of his amoral compadres' questions.  He repeated his contempt over and over and over again; and

    Third, the man can not utter a sentence without telling a lie.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:22:42 AM PDT

    •  Claiming incompentence re: the 47% remark isn't (1+ / 0-)
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      an improvement on the original GaFF.  Who wants a President who can't be bothered to prepare to speak to donors, voters or other situations where he is required to make a presentation.  If I were one of those who paif $500,000 for this dinner, then find out Mitt didn't put much effort into thinking about responses, I'd be ready to switch parties.

      •  $50,000 for dinner and schmooze (0+ / 0-)

        Donors don't care so much what the candidate says.....They want ACCESS.

        What shocked and offended me the most during the Monica Lewinsky scandal was how quickly Clinton took a phone call from a big campaign donor who wanted to talk about laws that might impact his personal sugar plantation.

  •  Next stop (8+ / 0-)

    Bill O'Reilly to explain that he won't be putting Big Bird out of work. In fact, he'll wind up with a cozy post in his cabinet.

  •  What exactly is completely wrong (7+ / 0-)

    beside the fact that he simply wants a do-over now that he was caught expressing how he really feels to a group of his fellow 1%ers??

    He didn't say he really doesn't think the 47% are victims, who pay NO taxes.

    His entire make over as Mitt the Moderate is done not for the 100% but the 50.1% that he referred to in the tape.

    He just needs to fool a few more people in the swing states to win the election. You would think Conservatives would be outraged at the shift from Mr. Severe Conservative. Nothing that I have seen. If they thought Mitt was really shifting left, as opposed to pretending to shift left, they would be outraged.

    Who is the real Mitt Romney?

  •  It wasn't a "silver lining" that the 47% didn't (30+ / 0-)

    come up.  It was clearly a deliberate choice by Obama.

    Because really, you think Obama couldn't possibly have found a way to work it in, if he had wanted to?  I'm sorry but I simply cannot believe that to be true, no matter how "bad" a night Obama was supposed to be having.

    Mitt was expecting Obama to raise it, and was ready with his pre-packaged groveling apology to the nation.  (Obviously Mitt wasn't going to raise it himself, he had to hope Obama would present him with the opportunity.)

    But obviously Obama wasn't going to raise it, because (a) it has already stuck hard to Romney and nobody is forgetting it, so (b) why raise it and give Romney the opportunity to mitigate it in front of the entire nation, that he would OBVIOUSLY be prepared for?

    Clearly the 47% didn't come up because Obama chose not to bring it up.  It's simply irrational to think he forgot to mention it, or couldn't find the right moment.  Makes no sense whatsoever.

    •  I think Obama knew Romney would recant (23+ / 0-)

      I think the Obama team made a conscious decision to not bring it up because they sniffed-out that he was going to do a mea culpa on it.  What better stage than in front of 60+ million people on live TV.  That would have (maybe) made Obama look mean, Romney look apologetic and...well...human.

      Smart decision by the Obama team to not bring it up.

      Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. -- John Lennon

      by gdalpert on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:38:17 AM PDT

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    •  Ding ding ding (23+ / 0-)

      This is exactly right, and exactly what I've been thinking about the debate. I'm not saying Obama did a great job (looking at the camera when speaking and looking engaged at Romney's bluster would have helped tremendously), but Obama made two important decisions in that debate.  One: He gave Romney no sound bites to exploit, while piling up the Romney tidbits for use.  Second: He gave Romney no opportunities to take back things he'd said that Obama's camp is already exploiting.  Geez, poor Romney had to run to Fox to give the "correction," because Obama didn't bring it up.  Consider that that means Romney didn't dare to, and you have a clearer sense of how things are playing out.

      Après le thé, le déluge. -- Glenn Beck, aka Napoleon XIV

      by mspicata on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:39:44 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly -- Obama used the time to present his (4+ / 0-)

        position and left the attacks to the media wing.

        The MSNBC folks were apoplectic, but it allows round 2 (town hall) and round 3 (counterpunch) to happen.

        Oh, and Joe Biden can punch whatever he wants because Ryan has a glass jaw.

        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        —Spike Milligan

        by polecat on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:30:43 AM PDT

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        •  And to that, I'd add that the Veep debate is not (2+ / 0-)
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          independent of the Prez debates. Romney/Ryan is a package deal the same as Obama/Biden. You don't get one without the other. So anything Ryan says and does, Romney will rise and fall with.
          Ryan is so radical, his ideas, once stated, so repugnant to the middle class majority of Americans, that all Biden has to do is wind him up and let him go like chattering teeth or a monkey with cymbals.
          UNLESS Ryan tries to "go Romney" on us and be in the debate the polar opposite of who he is on the stump. I don't think he could pull it off. His persona is not fluffy like Romney's. Ryan is a pointed, hair-splitting political thing.

          I am so looking forward to the vice-presidential debate.

          I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

          by Gentle Giant on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 12:14:39 PM PDT

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    •  I'm thinking Obama gave him enough rope to (15+ / 0-)

      quite literally hang himself so the next debates will give Obama the opportunity to justifiably punch his opponent mercilessly. Kind of like baiting him, letting him relax into the worst of his lies without a lot of fear of being called out.

      They knew first debate Romney would have all his lies/answers lined up and memorized so let everyone see just who he was going to be now. We will see him pulverize Romney.

      Now they can use those bits in great ads contrasted with earlier statements.

      "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

      by Gorette on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:39:59 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly. It's time for the Dems to carpet bomb (2+ / 0-)
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        with Romney vs. yenmoR ads.

        "How can you elect someone when you can't know who he really is?!?"

        (Forrest Gump voiceover) "Romney's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."

        "Romney. Too confused to lead a nation."

        "Romney. Whether you do or you don't like what he says, stick around. He changes like the 'weather'."

        "Vote Obama. This is not a game of 'Truth or Dare'."

        "America just can't trust Mitt Romney."

        I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

        by Gentle Giant on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 12:27:03 PM PDT

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      •  think about it (0+ / 0-)

        even before mittens tried back-tracking his 47% comments tall the pundits were talking about (besides O's performance) was a heavy dose of mittens' lies and fact checking....Big Bird, etc....mittens' celebration was short lived.....fireworks at the mittens-muenster rally in VA last night......yep, congrats mittens, you could not even get 24 hours of positive press.......and then you pour gas on the 47% comments......

        books will be written about his campaign strategy...and not positive ones.

    •  agree. Why give Romney an audience (17+ / 0-)

      of 50-60 million people to weasel out of his statement.
      Knowing of all issues, he had to have a prepared response for it.

      Obama's debate performace is looking better as the days go by.

      Big Bird may be the throwaway remark that sticks to Romney and hurts him more than anyone thinks.
      It is so easy to use to mock and ridicule Romney's "economics" with.

      With the UE numbers out today, I am feeling much better about Team Obama than I was Wed night. Then, again, I wasn't as overcome as the media was at the time.

      Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

      by Sherri in TX on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:41:12 AM PDT

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    •  The way you raise it is this: (3+ / 0-)
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      Mitt (stop with the govenor already - they guy has a funny name -- say it!) in that tape where you talk about the 47% of the people who you believe are moochers and will never support you -- and I know a few weeks after that tape was released he finally disavowed it -- but he also said in that tape that he believed he had earned everything you had the old fashioned way.  He said that because he was rich by the time your Dad died you hadn't inherited your wealth.  Its laughable.  This guy went to private boarding school Harvard Law (you didn't take any student loans did you Mitt?) borrowed money from his old man and his friends for your business right.  And he has the gall to say he pulled himself up by his bootstraps.  We've had enough of rich guys whose dad ran for president before them.

      Obama let Mitt (and agreed) portray them both as wealthy.  Don't fucking do it again!

      •  Sounds like class warfare, and independent or (1+ / 0-)
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        undecided voters hate that sort of stuff, which is why Obama was absolutely correct not to touch any of it.

        The audience Obama was playing to on Wednesday was independent and undecided voters, and he won them decisively using HIS approach.

      •  And again, if you seriously think Obama (6+ / 0-)

        either couldn't think of a way to raise it, or couldn't find the right moment, I wonder how you think he's intelligent enough to be President in the first place??

        He didn't FORGET something which the entire nation is talking about.  He wasn't at a loss for how to raise it.  To believe either of those things requires you to believe that both he and his professional debate advisors are stupid and incompetent, and that is patently absurd.  I'm sorry, but the idea that Obama "forgot" this or "didn't know how to raise it" is ridiculous on its face.

        •  Did you watch the debate? (1+ / 0-)
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          you're not really telling me that was strategy, are you?  God knows what happened, but that was not strategy - he couldn't come out with a declarative sentence, he didn't know his closing statement, he began and ended the debate with what amounted to sheepish apologies, he hung his head the whole night, he nodded affirmatively when he was being criticized, he didn't respond to blatant inaccuracies.  Don't get me started.  

          I believe he will turn it around but don't tell me (or yourself) that it was strategy.

          •  I get it -- you think Obama is stupid enough (2+ / 0-)
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            to FORGET the thing about the 47%.  This makes you irrational and therefore pointless trying to have a discussion with.

            Good day to you.

          •  I DID watch it. On C-span WITHOUT pundit chatter. (1+ / 0-)
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            Obama DID look into the camera several times.  And he DID look at Willard several times.  He DID look down when he was making notes.  However, he DID look tired and was not as animated as he usually is.

            The 47% and All About Bain has been, and still is being covered and talked about all over the place.  There was absolutely no reason for PBHO to introduce either of those subjects into a 90 minute debate on domestic policy.

            Willard was "theatrically aggressive"...he gave a loud, overbearing presentation of himself that he had obviously severely practiced.

            I'm not privileged - along with everyone else in the public - to know what the Obama team's strategy was.  But I am absolutely sure it was a choice, by the team or PBHO himself, not to bring up Bain or the 47%.

            "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

            by 417els on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:49:07 AM PDT

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    •  Precisely! (1+ / 0-)
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      I was like a lot of us around here when it was happening, just begging Obama to uncork that "47%" comment like a big ol' haymaker and plaster Romney to the deck with it.  But in retrospect, it's clear that you're right:  by taking the high road and making Romney continue to squirm, it's sticking far more firmly than it would have otherwise, and the president can continue to come across as... well, Presidential.  :^)

      •  And Obama, by not "going there", (1+ / 0-)
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        made Romney go there himself the next day and remind everyone once again that he DID say it.

        And now his attempts at walking it back prove to everyone that he knows he shouldn't have said it.

        But he DID say it. What kind of person says things like that?

        An arrogant elitist sonofabitch.

        I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

        by Gentle Giant on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 12:37:05 PM PDT

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    •  In which case O could have delivered the killshot: (1+ / 0-)
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      "Governor Romney, are you saying you were brainwashed?"

      •  That only plays with us political junkies. :) /nt (0+ / 0-)

        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        —Spike Milligan

        by polecat on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:33:22 AM PDT

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      •  OT, A light rinse would have been sufficient (0+ / 0-)

        It plays with those of us who remember the moment and I'm afraid I absolutely cannot look at Mitt Romney without thinking of his late father:

        Senator Eugene McCarthy, running against Johnson for the Democratic nomination, said that in Romney's case, "a light rinse would have been sufficient."

        Treat yourself to the full story:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        On August 31, 1967, in a taped interview with locally influential talk show host Lou Gordon of WKBD-TV in Detroit,[27] Romney stated: "When I came back from Viet Nam [in November 1965], I'd just had the greatest brainwashing that anybody can get." He then shifted to opposing the war: "I no longer believe that it was necessary for us to get involved in South Vietnam to stop Communist aggression in Southeast Asia." Decrying the "tragic" conflict, he urged "a sound peace in South Vietnam at an early time." Thus Romney disavowed the war and reversed himself from his earlier stated belief that the war was "morally right and necessary".[164]

        The "brainwashing" reference had been an offhand, unplanned remark that came at the end of a long, behind-schedule day of campaigning.[180] By September 7, it found its way into prominence at The New York Times.[170] Eight other governors who had been on the same 1965 trip as Romney said no such activity had taken place, and one of them, Philip H. Hoff of Vermont, said Romney's remarks were "outrageous, kind of stinking ... Either he's a most naïve man or he lacks judgment."[145] The connotations of brainwashing, following the experiences of American prisoners of war (highlighted by the 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate), made Romney's comment devastating,[27][164] especially as it reinforced the negative image of Romney's abilities that had already developed.[167] The topic of brainwashing quickly became newspaper editorial and television talk show fodder, and Romney bore the brunt of the topical humor.[164] Senator Eugene McCarthy, running against Johnson for the Democratic nomination, said that in Romney's case, "a light rinse would have been sufficient."[170] Republican Congressman Robert T. Stafford of Vermont sounded a common concern: "If you're running for the presidency, you are supposed to have too much on the ball to be brainwashed."[164] After the remark was aired, Romney's poll ratings nosedived, going from 11 percent behind Nixon to 26 percent behind

        Oh, oh, oh....I hope and pray somebody reads my comments.........
    •  Yup (1+ / 0-)
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      One more example of Obama being ahead of the curve. Everyone was complaining about him not bringing it up ... but:

      #1) it's best to just use Romney's own words against him in the ads that are running.

      #2) no reason to give Romney a chance to flip-flop on that just like he's flip flopped on everything else.

  •  Etch-a-sketch Mitt strikes again. (6+ / 0-)
  •  doublethink (10+ / 0-)
    The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.
    George Orwell, 1984

    Mitt Romney treats people like things. And he treats things - corporations - like people.

    by richardak on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:33:59 AM PDT

  •  "that nobody in their right mind will believe him" (7+ / 0-)

    people not in their right mind vote

    The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

    by JML9999 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:35:11 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, but those ppl were already out of their mind (1+ / 0-)
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      and committed to voting for Willard no matter what he says or does or what he's caught saying or doing.

      "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

      by 417els on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:53:24 AM PDT

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  •  The Etch-A-Sketch works. (6+ / 0-)

    One thing the Tea-Pubs know is memories are short. Nobody was paying attention to the race back in July, Aug.
    They are paying attention now that the race has "officially started." So, they know the Etch-A-Sketch will work.
    It's our job to see that it doesn't.
    Facebook is your friend.

  •  Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Unemployment Drops (10+ / 0-)

    Still not good compared to other veterans and the countries unemployment numbers but encouraging still!

    Upbeat jobs report brings good news for vets, too
    October 5, 2012 - The nation’s positive jobs report on Friday included good news about veterans, with the unemployment rate for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan era dropping below 10 percent for the sixth month this year.

    Bureau of Labor Statistics officials estimate the September unemployment rate for that group at 9.7 percent, more than one percent less than the August rate. For 2012, the monthly average unemployment rate sits at 9.8 percent for those veterans, well below the 12.1 percent rate of 2011 and on pace for the lowest mark since 2009.

    But those young veteran employment numbers lag behind figures for other veterans and the overall population. BLS officials put nationwide unemployment at 7.8 percent for September, the lowest since January 2009. The overall veterans unemployment rate nudged up slightly from last month, to 6.7 percent in September. read more>>>

    Some of these jobs, unlike many in the private sector, can be attributed directly to the Administration and the actions they, the cabinet and especially the First and Second Ladies have taken in initiatives pointed directly at the veterans and military personal and families. Something they can do out of the Executive branch and have been doing, along with plenty more!

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:35:50 AM PDT

  •  You need to average, for multiple versions of Mitt (7+ / 0-)

    Otherwise you just end up skewing the results!

    One version of Mitt does not care about 47% of Americans.

    Another recent version of Mitt cares about 100% of Americans.

    Therefore, on average, Mitt Romney cares about 76.5% of Americans. And you say this man has no heart!

  •  Courage (6+ / 0-)

    Getting hammered for a comment that you never thought would go public for a couple of weeks, and then finally taking it back.

    Now that's courage! That's leadership.

    "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

    by Lost Left Coaster on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:38:12 AM PDT

    •  Sprang on it, after 17 minutes, no wait, 17 days. (2+ / 0-)
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      His sole objective in the debate was or should have been, not to come across as an arrogant dick.  The last few days have shown him to have failed in this.

      Instead, he actually showed us his true colors.  In the words of another comment in another diary:

      "We've had bosses, fathers, boyfriends and co-workers like Romney who invade our space, try to dominate every discussion and see every encounter as a chance to "win," rather than dialogue. It's the old patriarchal model that women have endured for way too long."   by susan in sc

      He stepped into it again.

      I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

      by AllanTBG on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:18:52 AM PDT

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  •  The key is that we're not letting up on the stump (3+ / 0-)
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    or in the ads about the 47%.  Force Mitt to apologize on national tv to a non-Fox audience (maybe even debate #2) if he really wants it off his back.  The simple tie-in is that the 47% is reflective of Mitt's budget which screws the middle class.

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:39:41 AM PDT

  •  Coincidentally enough (2+ / 0-)
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    47% is also the percentage of R-Money's statements on any issue that directly contradicts that which he says on that same issue the other 53% of the time.

    Here's where shit gets confusing: The 47% comment he made at the fundraiser is something he has probably repeated 53% of the time. And his comments bout being for the 100% has been said only 47% of the time.

    Ouch. My head hurts.

  •  Only 47% of Romney's debate remarks were true (3+ / 0-)
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    The guy is consistent in some ways. Too bad Obama couldn't keep up with all the lies and still get his say in.

    "Good morning, brothers Koch. I see you're doing well. If I had me a shotgun, I'd blow you straight to hell." w/apologies to R. Hunter

    by RUKind on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:40:29 AM PDT

  •  Romney believes he was wrong to say it and (5+ / 0-)
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    especially wrong to be caught on video saying it, but he still believes it's true. It's almost pointless to prove that he's lying because Democrats already know and Republicans, especially tea partiers, don't mind lies in service of their goal: getting the black socialist out of the White House.

    Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

    by RJDixon74135 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:40:37 AM PDT

  •  Romney is a quick change artist. Who do you want? (3+ / 0-)
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    Funny thing, "That's me!"

    No matter what you want he is exactly who you are looking for.

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:41:22 AM PDT

  •  Retroactively? (1+ / 0-)
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    I wish I could do that with some of things I've said in the past. ;)

    YES WE DID! November 4th, 2008 ~ and we'll do it again Nov 6th, 2012.

    by Esjaydee on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:44:46 AM PDT

  •  Doesn't matter. Romney was caught. (3+ / 0-)
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    He can't take it back no matter how many times he has lied.  Since he doesn't know a thing about personal responsibility, this is how he reacts to having been discovered red handed.

    He picks up the shovel and tosses more BS at the media.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:44:54 AM PDT

  •  It's incumbent upon Obama's campaign to point out (5+ / 0-)

    that Romney's apology is wholly insufficient. There's a lot here to explain. Keep hammering away.

    Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism.

    by Zutroy on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:45:11 AM PDT

    •  Of course they will...played right into O's hands (0+ / 0-)

      Romney himself, colluding with Hannity, brought the whole 47% thing back to the forefront since O didn't bring it up during the debate.

      And now he lamely flip flops after repeatedly defending it along with the rest of the right wing.

      This appeals to no one...I can't imagine it appeals to Cons either.

      And now Team O has a good reason to keep talking about "the new new new, no this time we really mean it, new " Miit Romney.

  •  It's not his fault.. (0+ / 0-)

    You know what they say...

    If it doesn't poll
    find a brand new role!
    (but still cling to that nonsense
    on birth control)

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:45:20 AM PDT

  •  Too Late (2+ / 0-)
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    If you really think that something you said was "completely wrong" it doesn't take you two whole weeks to say so.  You know the second the words left your mouth that you sounded like a pompous jackass.

    If you only said you were "completely wrong" after two weeks of polls, focus groups, and strategists, then you don't really believe you were "completely wrong" at all.  You just believe you have to say so to win votes.

  •  So what's Romney's real opinion? That's easy... (3+ / 0-)
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    The one he says when he thinks he's not being recorded.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:46:18 AM PDT

  •  Too late !!! (1+ / 0-)
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    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:46:40 AM PDT

  •  Romney 2012 - Completely Wrong! (4+ / 0-)
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    Snotty Brown - 2012

    by kitebro on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:47:18 AM PDT

  •  Ah, so R-Money was FOR the comments (1+ / 0-)
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    ...before he was against them.  Got it.

    Cue the Beltway CW MSM to bring up the false equivalency to Candidate BHO's "bitter cling" remarks in ..3...2...1 ..

    "..The political class cannot solve the problems it created. " - Jay Rosen

    by New Rule on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:47:21 AM PDT

  •  Desperation is never a pretty thing to watch (4+ / 0-)

    Unless it's a desperate Romney-bot.
    I wonder if he'll literally go green with envy when he loses again.

    Off-topic but I can't make heads or tails out of this statement:

    letting free people build more wealth for all people.
    Is it just blitering, jaw-flapping nonsense - or did I get the wrong Republican secret decoder ring?

    Perhaps one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not.

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:47:24 AM PDT

  •  What was he thinking (4+ / 0-)
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    bringing this up again???   I have an idea, lets bring up the fact that i haven't released my tax returns again now that i had a single day of good news since the election started.  that'll help!

    why would he ever think this was a good idea to get back into the news cycle again?

  •  Romney Apology Interpretaion (2+ / 0-)

    I think you're misinterpreting Romney's "apology".  Rather uncharitably, I'd say.

    Here's my reading.

    Romney:  "Please stop those ads!  I can't stand it!  You're ruining me!  Please, stop!  Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaassssee!!!!!"

    Seriously, though.  I guess you're right that Romney would like to continue the discussion on this topic.  So, keep those ads a-comin'.

  •  i think THE OBAMA TEAM KNEW mitt was ready (9+ / 0-)

    with a 47% disavow for the debate....and so they didnt use it.  

    either that or Obama was waiting for the right 'opening' to insert a 47% comment in BUT realized Mitt was 'whiteboarding' ALL his long held beliefs and disavowing everything he has said (even stuff on tape) so HE made a spot decision to not give MITT a chance to disavow his 47% comments on the BIG debate stage  :)

    whatever the reason, Obama was 'smart' to not have brought it up during the first debate and MITT was DUMB to have gone on fox to continue etch a sketching his entire campaign (up to now) away

    "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

    by KnotIookin on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:49:16 AM PDT

    •  That what I thought as well (6+ / 0-)

      "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

      by LaurenMonica on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:01:35 AM PDT

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      •  all the negative comments about OBAMA LOOKED DOWN (2+ / 0-)
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        instead of at mitt or at the camera made ME laugh...  those commentators also mentioned that OBAMA was taking Notes... but they didnt get it, Obama was looking AT his notes and laughing to himself at how MITT was white boarding every issue and Obama was crossing off stuff he had readied to discuss in the debate and mentally preparing for the smack down he was going to start delivering the next morning.

        and he delivered that smack down beautifully...  oh and I bet if one were to look at the 'notes' Obama took they would see the words BIG BIRD in bold letters  :)

        "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

        by KnotIookin on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:16:03 AM PDT

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  •  Twins... (1+ / 0-)
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    I see what the Romney campaign is doing now. We have the real President Obama and then we have Invisible Obama who was talking to Clint Eastwood at the RNC. Now we have crazy, wingnut Romney and the slightly less crazy lying sack of crap Romney. They're creating their own parallel universe where they run against Invisible Obama using lying sack of crap Romney while they ignore the actual reality that everyone but a Republican can see. Brilliant!

    The most dangerous... programs, from a movement conservative's point of view, are the ones that work the best and thereby legitimize the welfare state. Krugman

    by BasharH on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:50:01 AM PDT

  •  I love the smell of flip flopping in the morning. (6+ / 0-)

    And remember the old rule: if you're explaining you're losing?

    I think there ought to be a new one: if you're inventing conspiracy theories, you're losing. If you're "unskewing" polls or Labor Department data, you're losing.

    So much for the wave of good news for Mitt. God damn he sucks.

    GOP: The Party of Acid rain, Abortion of the American Dream, and Amnesty for Wall Street.

    by Attorney at Arms on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:51:47 AM PDT

  •  The thing about the debate is that (3+ / 0-)
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    since Romney won't give specifics about what he is going to do, but Obama already has four years on record, it's a bit like Obama was fighting a ghost.  Mitt Romney could claim anything he liked while Obama was restricted to reality-based remarks.  

    I'm hoping that people remember just how full of it Romney really is.

    Ignorance more frequently begets confidence then knowledge. Charles Darwin

    by martianexpatriate on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:52:01 AM PDT

  •  EXACTLY (2+ / 0-)
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    You know, given how the debate went, I bet Romney is disappointed he didn't get a chance to tell that lie. He got away with so much bull during the debate that he probably would have gotten away with that too. So in a way, the fact that it didn't come up is a silver lining. That's one lie I'd much rather have him tell to the one or two million voters who watch Sean Hannity than to the 60 or 70 million who tuned in on Wednesday night.
    :-)

    "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

    by kj in missouri on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:52:15 AM PDT

  •  How can you drown government in a bathtub... (3+ / 0-)
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    ... if you raise taxes on poor people?


    i just baptized andrew breitbart into the church of islam, planned parenthood, the girl scouts and three teachers unions. - @blainecapatch

    by bobinson on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:54:00 AM PDT

  •  Something else that's wrong (3+ / 0-)
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    [I]n this case, I said something that’s just completely wrong.
    He didn't say what was completely wrong.

    Was it the raw number? Too high or too low, Mitt?

    Was it the claim that the 47% would never vote for you?

    Was it the implicit claim that the 47% don't take responsibility for their lives? That they feel entitled to food, housing, health care... to live?

    So, Mitt, what did you say that was wrong, and when did you realize that it was wrong? What did it take for you to come to that realization? And how long will you maintain it?

    Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

    by Nowhere Man on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:54:35 AM PDT

  •  Willard would make the Mad Hatter seeem reasonable (3+ / 0-)
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    "Round up the usual suspects"

    by NanaoKnows on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:55:26 AM PDT

  •  In other words... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JeffW

    Romney was in favor of the 47% comment, before he was against it?

  •  Can't find a partner use a wooden chair. (1+ / 0-)
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    You pretend you are President Obama and ask me about the 47%.  
    OK - here's what I would have said if he would have said what I thought he would say.  

    He didn't say it because he lost the debate, but anyway, here's what I would have said, and everyone would have loved me because I am 100%, except for Lehrer and Big Bird and President Obama.  

    I am firing everyone on this stage.  Wow what an orgasm.  Yeah I won the debate...what were we talking about, oh yeah, I'm 100%.  

    Don't forget the 1, me, because with out that you got 0%.

    Hey Ryan, where you goin' with that trans-vaginal probe in your hand

    by 88kathy on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:58:43 AM PDT

  •  This is Mittens, people! (3+ / 0-)
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    Since when has he held a constant position on anything? If you ask him the same question twice in a 10 minute period, you'll get diametrically opposite answers.

    What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - C. Hitchens

    by sizzzzlerz on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 10:59:07 AM PDT

  •  Dear Shape-Shifter-in-Chief, please explain what (2+ / 0-)
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    part of what you said about us worthless bums was completely wrong. Not only would we like to know, but a huge number of your base voters who wholeheartedly endorsed what you said would also like to know what it is that you now believe...and how long you were planning to hold this belief.

    Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

    by tekno2600 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:05:45 AM PDT

  •  Time to bring back this commerical from April (3+ / 0-)
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    Ancora Impara--Michelangelo

    by aravir on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:07:42 AM PDT

  •  Way to put it back to the top of the news (7+ / 0-)

    Supporter: "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!" Adlai Stevenson: "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"

    by Scott Wooledge on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:08:55 AM PDT

  •  Why isn't the Obama campaign (1+ / 0-)
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    do what Jerry Brown did? Use a split screen to demonstrate that Romney lies and lies. Even the NYT had a 2-column table that quoted Romney from Jan 20th, 2011 when he first made his 20% tax cut assurance and contrasted it with the debate statement where he denied that he had ever said that. Then there's the "I am a severe conservative" to contrast with "I am bipartisan."

    The campaign just has to come out and say it: Mitt Romney is just not credible.

    Make his lies collide, for God's sake!!

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:11:19 AM PDT

  •  But how does he get around the (4+ / 0-)
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    "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives" part of the diatribe?

  •  Mitt '12: Schrödinger's Candidacy (2+ / 0-)
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    It's both dead and alive simultaneously.

    I guess there really might be zombies, and Mitt might be the(ir) Avatar of the Apocalypse.

    A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

    by jo fish on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:14:11 AM PDT

  •  Romney spent a lot of time with zinger repostes (3+ / 0-)
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    during his debate prep.

    Obama didn't give him the chance to use them.

    Probably irritated the living daylights out of Romney.

    Interesting.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:14:16 AM PDT

  •  Does anyone take this guy seriously? (1+ / 0-)
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    What a liar

  •  I'm not so certain (2+ / 0-)
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    that Mittens is gonna "get away" with his debate lies.

    VULTURE/VOUCHER 2012. FUCK YOU, MIDDLE CLASS!

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:15:23 AM PDT

  •  And the people who feel they are (1+ / 0-)
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    entitled to food, and shelter, and health care.

    "Is that your vegetarian leather jacket?" George Harrison

    by nellgwen on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:15:28 AM PDT

  •  Perhaps Obama can appoint Romney to be (3+ / 0-)
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    Secretary of Making Shit Up.

    He's pretty good it it. Only problem is that Obama doesn't need a Secretary of Making Shit Up.

    Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

    by walk2live on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:15:50 AM PDT

  •  Another gem from Romney /snark (1+ / 0-)
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    "These just completely wrong comments of mine would be easier to disavow if I were Hispanic." --Mitt Romney

  •  I think your "silver lining" was intentional (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama didn't want to give Romney the change to disavow his remarks in public.

    Barack Obama is not a secret socialist class warrior who wants to redistribute wealth in America. But I'll still vote for him, anyway.

    by looty on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:24:50 AM PDT

  •  Don't Break Your Etch-a-Sketch, Mitt (2+ / 0-)
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    They will break if you flip 'em too many times. I'll bet you're on your 2nd or 3rd replacement.

  •  When you're said it, (1+ / 0-)
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    and said it some more, it's not a misspeak. You said it and you clarified and it went on and on but now, you don't think it? Just another example of saying anything to get elected. Romney has no core principles except his own desires for himself.

    Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. Throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. --Mark Twain

    by Debby on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:31:52 AM PDT

  •  Just One More Example (0+ / 0-)

    of Romney being willing to say anything to get your vote. Absolutely anything.

    He dismissed 47% of America and he's 100% untrustworthy.

  •  romney is a liar (0+ / 0-)

    he got caught in telling the truth to his fellow elitists and now he is lying to the 47% that he despises by their very existence, the 99% are nothing more than menial laborers to the 1% and only worthy of their attention when it is election time, after that back to despising the unwashed 99% and putting them in their place at the bottom of the economic ladder and bringing them back up the next cycle.

  •  He misspoke. (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't believe one can misspeak for more than a few seconds or sentences at a time. What Romney spoke was a diatribe. You can't misspeak a diatribe.

    And there's an old Jewish saying that words are not kites. You can't haul them back once you let them out.

    Romney plays fast and loose with the truth. If he really believes he can keep contradicting himself and retain any sort of integrity by calling for a do-over, he is monumentally stupid.

    Or he thinks that we are.  

    Either way, he does not have the kind of character our nation needs in its president.

    I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

    by Gentle Giant on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 11:55:44 AM PDT

  •  Part of the problem is (0+ / 0-)

    that there seems to be plenty of people out there who are not in their right minds. And they can vote too.

    "I'm grateful for my job - truly, but still...ugh." CityLightsLover

    by Audri on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 12:50:07 PM PDT

  •  It's why Mitt mentioned the 'repeat a lie' line. (1+ / 0-)
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    Usually, it's the person who says something like that who is guilty of doing just that thing.

    Which means, he used the statement during the debate against Obama - about repeating the lie / making up facts - to pre-empt having it used against him.

    cheerleaders need not apply.

    by kravitz on Fri Oct 05, 2012 at 01:00:43 PM PDT

  •  All those comments (0+ / 0-)

    The other thing he says in all of those initial responses is that he doesn't think he appeals to the 47% because he is cutting taxes for all of those who earn more than they do.

    Didn't he completely contradict those statements when he claimed, in front of 58 million people, that he was not cutting taxes for the wealthy?

    And incidentally... how weird it was to see a Republican adamantly deny that he wants to cut taxes.

  •  Huh? He is running ads on this site (0+ / 0-)

    that say "I'll Deliver Recovery not Dependency" - a direct reference to his "completely wrong" 47% comments.

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