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The Obama campaign is highlighting Mitt Romney's debate lies in a web video. Given the volume of untruth we're talking about, a two-minute video can only skim the surface, but running through the big lies is brutal enough (shoot, the ad released Thursday that only touched on tax policy was pretty hard-hitting itself). So what are the big lies, the topline lies, the campaign is identifying?

He didn't tell the truth about his tax plan.

He didn't tell the truth about his plan for Americans with pre-existing conditions.

And didn't tell the truth about his plans for Medicare ... or the president's.

Why would Romney not tell the truth about what he'd do as president?

Because his real plans would hurt the middle class.

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  •  The background music burns my ears. (11+ / 0-)

    too frenetic. Maybe just a single violin playing (while rom(n)e(y) burns?)

    The day is coming when a single carrot, freshly observed, will set off a revolution. Paul Cezanne

    by MeToo on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:03:49 PM PDT

    •  Awful music, good fact-checking. (5+ / 0-)

      Because of the music, I wouldn't send the link to anyone who might have been interested in the fact-checking.  Ugh, that music is still ringing in my ears.

      The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

      by ybruti on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:12:47 PM PDT

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    •  And when he wasn't lying he was evading. He (2+ / 0-)
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      Arnie, Amber6541

      didn't give any details on any of his plans.

      •  A blizzard of bullshit (1+ / 0-)
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        mirandasright

        The classic tactic for a shady used car salesman is try and snow you under a blizzard of bullshit and lies. As other people have pointed out, this is also a debate tactic, obviously only valid in debates where the real facts don't matter and only style points count. I can't believe our press corp is so facile that they think someone "won" the debate when they were in fact lying up a storm in a blizzard of bullshit. Romney was a master at punctuating his opinions with skewed facts and figures, undoubtedly culled from right-wing think tank propaganda. Frank Luntz inspired bullshit.

        BTW, I saw Luntz on Maher last time and he was equally full of shit. He blamed the impasse in congress on the President, conveniently forgetting that the republicans are the ones who setup the roadblock from day one. More bullshit "both sides do it" false equivalency. I liked the fact that Maher called him "evil" to his face.

        Everything I write is within a margin of error of precisely 100%.

        by Bailey Savings and Loan on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 02:53:28 PM PDT

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    •  Good Commentary With Regard to Green Jobs (1+ / 0-)
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      Amber6541

      http://www.cnn.com/...

      I knew it sounded crazy when I heard Romney say it, but I had been wondering about his outrageous claim that Obama spent 90 billion on solar and wind companies.

      Obama keeps needing to repeat:
      "He just makes stuff up"
      and say it over and over again.

      •  Romney's Fossil Fuel Energy Independence BS (1+ / 0-)
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        brkramer

        Romeny's blather about "energy independence" using fossil fuels fails to mention that domestic oil proction since 1978 is DOWN 50% The North Slope only stopped the free fall for a couple years. Fracking has provided a little speedbum at the bottom of a very big hill.  

        Does Mitt really think we can increase the rate of oil discovery 20 fold, and keep that going indefinitely?  Are we going to discover a new North Slope in the US every year, forever?

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 03:21:12 PM PDT

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  •  That's it. (7+ / 0-)

    That's the rope he was handed in the debate.

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:05:22 PM PDT

  •  Mitt's $5 Trillion Wealth Redistribution Plan (5+ / 0-)

    Mitt said he would cut taxes 20% but then he said over and over that there is "no $5 trillion dollar tax cut."

    Mitt's lying again and this time he's going big, because first he says hes cutting taxes then he says there's no tax cut (when it comes to paying for it.) He seems to be implying there is "no tax cut" because supposedly it'll get paid for (somehow).  But that's still a "tax cut" even if he wants to claim it'll be revenue neutral (another lie).

    Even giving Mitt a pass on his Big Lie about "no tax cut," SOMEONE is getting stuck with a $5 trillion bar tab.  Mitt is planning a $5 trillion "redistribution of wealth."

    But Mitt thinks he can do some sort of Jedi mind trick by saying "there is no $5 trillion dollar tax cut."  What was it Mitt was saying about liars repeating something over and over?  

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:06:43 PM PDT

  •  OUCH!!!! (11+ / 0-)

    That's GOTTA hurt. This needs to go on TV STAT. Use that 181Mil September haul to spread this two minute knockout punch.

    I only have ONE beef with the Truth Team ads.....they aren't seen by enough people. This one should be All-Swing-State broadcast.

    "Because only three percent of you read books - and only fifteen percent of you read newspapers - but right now there is a whole and entire generation that didn't know anything that didn't come out of this tube." - Howard Beale

    by Audible Nectar on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:06:59 PM PDT

    •  Oh it's coming. O is all about timing. nt (5+ / 0-)
      •  Do I ever hope so..... (1+ / 0-)
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        Arnie

        .....but Rove makes me lose sleep at night. That guy knows how to throw a wrench in the time just ahead of the election. Rove knows how to muddy the waters like no other.

        But I do trust the Obama crew to get it done - the facts are in the majority preference of the country and swing states too - it's a matter of convincing the public swayables amid all of the lies and confusion of the smokescreen.

        "Because only three percent of you read books - and only fifteen percent of you read newspapers - but right now there is a whole and entire generation that didn't know anything that didn't come out of this tube." - Howard Beale

        by Audible Nectar on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:32:19 PM PDT

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  •  twenty-one more lies to go..../nt (8+ / 0-)

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:07:08 PM PDT

  •  quite a challenge given that he lied (6+ / 0-)

    for throughout the entire debate.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:09:00 PM PDT

  •  Pretty Sad! (2+ / 0-)
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    ZoBai, Amber6541

    It's sad and depressing that one can go on TV and just lie and get away with it.  The ad above is good but who is going to see it. Hasn't the damage been done.

  •  AWESOME! (6+ / 0-)

    spread it around.

    Man, I don't believe I've ever enjoyed Democratic Ads like we have this year.   They are smartly done!

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:11:04 PM PDT

  •  This diary proves Obama's Madness to his Methods (4+ / 0-)
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    Arnie, Gooserock, ZoBai, Amber6541

    So much better for independent journalist, pundits, bloggers, social mediaiates to call out the lies, don't you think?

    •  Split the Difference, He Might Do Well to Briefly (3+ / 0-)
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      ZoBai, Amber6541, InformedDiva

      refer audience & media to the fact checking that is already going on during the debate. Voters have to be put on the alert or Romney comes out of it with full style points.

      There's a balanced path through this.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:27:03 PM PDT

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  •  There's no question (3+ / 0-)
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    InformedDiva, Arnie, Amber6541

    Wednesday's debate was Romney's Sarah Palin moment. A desperate ploy to get a short term bounce, but at his longterm expense. We'll have an entire month and three more debates to process the ramifications of his decision to just go out there and lie.


    Strange Angels - a progressive online dating site.

    by Zackpunk on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:14:12 PM PDT

  •  shapeshifter (4+ / 0-)

    Saw this over on crooksandliar.com. Play this interactive game: Mitt Romney agrees with you

    something shifts besides  and behind the corpspeak

  •  Better than the one they released earlier today (1+ / 0-)
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    Arnie

    The one they released earlier today wasn't very good, and it looks like that's the one that will be on TV, while this one is for the internet.

    •  I think it still SUCKS! (2+ / 0-)
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      AmazingBlaise, Anne Elk

      I have to say, for a commercial that is intended (I suppose) to energize Democrats, or enervate Republicans, or sway the dazed, I think it is a TERRIBLE commercial.  It's not the music (although that's bad enough).  It's that the fact-checkers -- all familiar faces to the decided and committed -- are decidedly NOT familiar to those who are less decided and less committed.  

      For people who "know," the commercial has great credibility.  But for those who don't, it's Mitt's word against a bunch of talking heads.  

      If you want a powerful commercial, leave the commentators out of it.  Let Romney fight with himself.  Instead of leaving judgments to Andrea Mitchell and the CBO -- (what do they know? say the undiecoms) -- show Romney actually saying the words: "tax break" for this and for that, and show in writing how it adds up (put CBO in a big footnote or something).  End up with something like "Can you spot the real Mitt Romney?"  Turn the whole thing into a "Where's Waldo Willard" exercise.  

      The debate provided loads of material for any number of Romney-against-Romney adds.  Use it!

  •  Interesting To See What The Opposition Is (1+ / 0-)
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    KayCeSF

    coming up with campaign commericals.

    Here's one called the "Smirk".  

    Romney supporters have no ideas of their own.

    Quite boring, Romney yacking and terrible background music.

    Obama smiling to himself knowing that Romney's lies will be split screened with Romney saying the opposite on new Obama Campaign ads.  

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    The Republican Party is Simply a Coalition of Greed and Hate

    by kerplunk on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:17:00 PM PDT

    •  Circus-like music? WTH (2+ / 0-)
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      kerplunk, Sharon Wraight

      Split screen, with Mr. President obviously thinking, "Uh huh.  Just keep digging that hole, Mitt.  You think you're the man tonight.  Just keep on lying."

      Kind of like the prosecutor allowing the defense to make his case for him.  Just sit back and wait.

      Seriously, the more I see clips and having watched the debate 3 times, the more I see this.

      I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

      by KayCeSF on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:28:38 PM PDT

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  •  rMoney's Pyrrhic victory /nt (1+ / 0-)
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    Arnie

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:18:47 PM PDT

  •  the more we hear (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    about romneys lies and killing big bird during the debate the more people will realize he is the person disrespecting 47% of the country in the elitist dinner video, do we believe our eyes and ears or romneys lying explanation, you decide america.

  •  The Video is great. Keep them coming. (4+ / 0-)
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    Arnie, KayCeSF, mchestnutjr, Amber6541

    However, there not enough tape in the world to cover all the lies Romney has told.  

    And what is chilling is that Romney has people covering him and defending those lies.  

    That's why I am very glad that the Obama fact-checkers are going to work trying to dismantle the bull he fed the public the other night.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:19:54 PM PDT

  •  It's not just web ads.. (6+ / 0-)

    Obama is wallpapering the TV with ads about the debate lies here in North Carolina.

    Kinda wish he had done something similar while the lies were actually being said.

    When extra-terrestrial beings make their first appearance on our planet, and ask for representatives of our species to best exemplify humanity, I'm sending a nurse, a librarian, and a firefighter.

    by Wayward Son on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:20:07 PM PDT

    •  He Should Refer to Fact-Checking, Refer the Audien (3+ / 0-)
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      Arnie, tb mare, Eric Nelson

      ce and media, maybe even Romney himself, to what's going on as we debate here. That in my estimation would prepare voters without Obama having to burn all his time in rebuttal.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:28:31 PM PDT

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    •  Never interrupt your enemy (4+ / 0-)
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      Arnie, annieli, Amber6541, Eric Nelson

      when they are making a mistake or ten .

      So was Obama thinking to himself
      that's one
      that's two
      that's three
      etc etc etc

      "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

      by indycam on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:36:41 PM PDT

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      •  That's partly wishful thinking. (0+ / 0-)

        It works for the thoughtful folks.. but they're voting Democratic anyway.  Just think for a second about someone who is actually undecided between Romney and Obama.  You're counting on them being willing to investigate the truth on their own time, and overriding the group think about the debate outcome?

        Ok, I was wrong.. that's almost entirely wishful thinking.

        When extra-terrestrial beings make their first appearance on our planet, and ask for representatives of our species to best exemplify humanity, I'm sending a nurse, a librarian, and a firefighter.

        by Wayward Son on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 04:54:17 PM PDT

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        •  Nope (0+ / 0-)
          You're counting on them being willing to investigate the truth on their own time,
          you got that all wrong , try again .

          "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

          by indycam on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 06:27:41 PM PDT

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          •  Are you going to respond? (0+ / 0-)

            You typed some words, which usually indicates an intent to respond to a comment, but haven't actually done so yet.

            I'll check back.

            When extra-terrestrial beings make their first appearance on our planet, and ask for representatives of our species to best exemplify humanity, I'm sending a nurse, a librarian, and a firefighter.

            by Wayward Son on Sun Oct 07, 2012 at 07:49:07 AM PDT

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  •  Another one (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    Fantasy

    Mitt Romney: Simpson-Bowles, the president should have grabbed that.... in my view, the president should have grabbed it. If you wanted to make some adjustments to it, take it, go to Congress, fight for it.

    Reality

    Of the nearly $2.9 trillion of program cuts in the Bowles-Simpson plan, about half — or just under $1.5 trillion — have already been enacted.  

    http://www.cbpp.org/...

  •  Biden should expose these lies on thursday (1+ / 0-)
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    KayCeSF

    Biden should methodically and systematically expose these lies

  •  oh wow... (2+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, Amber6541

    I know in the end it doesn't matter, but now I am inclined to believe Romney had notes on that handkerchief.  Right when he started talking about his healthcare plans, he appears to be reading from it.  I had dismissed that conspiracy but looking at this video makes me think it's true.  In the end, President Obama spent more time looking at the podium than Romney, so I know it's not excuse. It does say something about the level of deception and win-at-all-cost mindset Romney has, though.  Very interesting.

    "Stand! There's a cross you have to bear. Things to go through if you're going anywhere." - "Stand" Sly & the Family Stone

    by mirandasright on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:23:33 PM PDT

  •  Add Romney's "tell a lie over and over" quote nt (1+ / 0-)
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    no way lack of brain

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:24:44 PM PDT

  •  Romney still not seen as a "good person" (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    according to latest Reuters/Ipsos http://mobile.reuters.com/...

  •  Matthew Dowd is saying the Obama Campaign is (3+ / 0-)
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    KayCeSF, annieli, mirandasright

    following the Bush-Cheney 2004 strategy after W lost his first debate with Kerry. He added that Biden will likely won next week debate.

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:29:40 PM PDT

  •  2nd Debate (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure if it's against the debate rules but when the president is speaking to an undecided voter in the town hall format he should call out Romney on his lies.  He should ask the viewing audience to go to his website and show this video.  He will not have enough time to fact check Romney at the debate.

  •  Wish the campaign would stop using the (0+ / 0-)

    horrible music they are putting on stuff.

    Their music picker sucks.

    "If you don't use your majorities, you lose your majorities."

    by SteinL on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 01:43:18 PM PDT

    •  I liked the music better than some ads, because (0+ / 0-)

      I could hear the voices.  When the music overpowers the voices to the point you can't hear what is said, the ad is pretty much useless.  Not everyone has that problem, but I doubt I am alone and I expect seniors have more of this type of hearing problem than other groups.

      Mother Teresa: "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other."

      by Amber6541 on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 03:20:01 PM PDT

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  •  This can be much shorter (and w/better music), by (0+ / 0-)

    just omitting everything Mithcell said after 'it costs $ 5 T" first time it uses her and similar cuts 2nd time it uses her, tho the ABC segment is nicely short.  It could easily be remade to less than 1 min.

    I hoe the TV ad is as aggressive.

  •  Romney has an odd quirk (2+ / 0-)
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    tb mare, Amber6541

    He has demonstrated it time after time. He will say something, sometimes on the spur of the moment, sometimes after reflection. Either way, in his mind, this gets is marked as “true”. Once he has marked something as true, it stays marked as true. He will simply refuse to consider a different, perhaps more accurate point of view that demonstrates the error. And when he repeats or doubles down on his erroneous statement, he does it with full, assertive, unwavering confidence.

    I don't know what the name of that trait is, but he certainly has it.

  •  Projectile Romneting (1+ / 0-)
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    AmazingBlaise

    The audience for the townhall debate better bring raincoats. It's gonna be messy.

  •  The "Obama Promised Unemployment Under 8%" Lie (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    this was another of Mitt's huge lies - that "Obama promised unemployment would stay below 8%"

    Yeah, when did that happen and why haven't we ever seen that in a campaign ad? Because it never happened and this is just another of Mitt's wild over the top lies.

    But as Mitt said in the debate, just repeat the lie over and over.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 02:07:21 PM PDT

  •  It's good but… (0+ / 0-)

    I saw a far more effective one, perhaps from the Obama campaign itself. It had a split screen where Romney said one thing at the debate and another thing earlier in the year in other forums including other debates. I would make a 30 second, a 60 second and a two minute version of the ads where  Romney is debating himself and run it again and again and again in the swing states.

    On balance, assuming Obama does not have a repeat of his rather lethargic and uninspired acquittal of himself on Wednesday night, I think the Wednesday night debate will be a blip on the screen. I think ultimately the jobs report will have more impact. However, all the good ads in the world will not make up for it if Obama does not challenge Romney's serial falsehoods when they happen.  

    As Mark Twain noted so memorably all those years ago, a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. Our president needs to put his pants on more quickly next time.

  •  this AP fact check story (0+ / 0-)

    by  Calvin Woodward is all over the place and is just nonsense.

     The facts: Obama's claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn't add up.Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney's tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama's math doesn't take into account Romney's entire plan.
      Romney proposes to reduce income tax rates by 20 percent and eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says that would reduce federal tax revenues by $465 billion in 2015, which would add up to about $5 trillion over 10 years.
    The first paragraph is contradicted by his very next paragraph. When asked about tax cuts, how is it wrong to not answer about unspecified magical offsets?
    That's the theme of this guys whole column, Obama's limited and specific answers don't add up while Mitt's unicorn fantasy word salad is differential calculus.

    I'd googled something about the Romney Amtrak cuts and thought I'd fallen over the edge of reality. Every city newspaper website had this AP story. The only push back was a lone Ezra Klein column in among the chaff.
    Changing my google search terms revealed more push back but my head still hurt from the echo chamber.

    "We thought about it for a long time, "Endeavor to persevere." And when we had thought about it long enough, we declared war on the Union."

    by voodoochild62 on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 03:23:05 PM PDT

  •  This sucks as an ad. Great info. Lousy ad. (0+ / 0-)

    The ad has to be simple, stark. Clip of Romney on left of screen, 1/20/11, saying 20% tax cut, vs debate saying no tax cut. Simple, quick, powerful.

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Sat Oct 06, 2012 at 05:52:46 PM PDT

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