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Hi All. I see a lot of people here being discouraged about those poll numbers. I am too. Its really going to be a tight race and we have our backs to the wall.

However, when I look at those polls those are mostly republican polls that are driving the narrative. The independent polls seem to have us leading in the swing states by around 2-3, which I think is encourage.

My suggestion to all of you is this. Stop worrying about the polls. They are taking the focus away from the game. Focus on the game and we will win this.

The media needs to start driving the narrative once again on issues. Issues concerning Mitt Romney lying, Mitt Romney tax returns, Mitt Romney's this and that. We have to start talking about Mitt.

All of us needs to start talking to everything they know - including the media and asking them why they are letting Mitt slide with the lies? MSNBC needs to start doing the same thing. They really need to start focusing away from polls, and start talking about the issues. Only then can we turn this around and win.

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Are the rightwing pollsters trying to divert us away from the Focus?

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  •  Unfortunately many people (5+ / 0-)

    Buy the shit these right wing polls are selling. I sure wish liberals learned how to be a little less gullible.

    •   Yes one is Nate Silver (3+ / 0-)
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      PALiberal1, alba, EcosseNJ

      Everyone's golden boy here.  To me he is Chicken Little..

      •  Nate still has a lot of residual respect (5+ / 0-)

        Before he sold out, he used to shoot straight and call a spade a spade. He wrote scathing columns about GOP biased pollsters like ARG and Rasmussen, and called out RCP for their cooking their averages by dropping pro-Obama polls quickly and pro-McCain ones very slowly. Now he takes all GOP polls, with a 10 point house effect, that appear out of absolutely nowhere, as if they're not even worth a comment. He even included a George Allen internal poll in his model recently. His bottom line is more important to him now than the truth, he's just become another pundit. It's a shame.

        •  Great point.. (0+ / 0-)

          I have noticed since the debate and most notably a scathing repute by Breibart.com he has not using MOSTLY republican polls..and..as you said the same ones he used to point to as bogus and politically funded.

          We may never know the result until the election because so many polls and so many agendas behind those polls.

    •  Yes -- Nate just enters polling (1+ / 0-)
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      PALiberal1

      data regardless of how suspect the polling methods for the poll are . . Garbage in . .  garbage out. And there seems to be a plethora of new polls just in time to help push the Romney narrative . .

      •  Can you imagine if this was 2008 Nate? (2+ / 0-)
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        "Gravis Marketing" would've been out of business before releasing their 5th poll. They're the most obvious scam I'm ever seen, even R2000 and Strategic Vision put up a better front.

      •  George Allen Internal Poll (4+ / 0-)

        I like Nate and think he's a brilliant guy in many ways.

        But it's inconceivable to me why he would allow a Virginia poll by a Republican pollster, John Mclaughlin, which was  an internal poll for George Allen's campaign, to be inter-mixed with other polling data in his model. If it wasn't for the above poll, which conveniently had Romney ahead by 7, Nate's model would have Obama as the favorite in Virginia.

        I've been commenting for months here about the suspect pollsters dumping data to impact the narrative, but many here just seemingly can't differentiate between Ann Selzer and Gravis Marketing. They latch onto the negative and create a toxic atmosphere that is very detrimental to Democrats.

        •  Yup (1+ / 0-)
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          EcosseNJ

          DKos plays this game too. They list fake pollsters like Gravis as if they're credible, then wonder why there's so many hand wringers. You might as well just post FOX News talking points on the main page if you're going to put right wing shill polling numbers on there as well.

        •  Oh, good luck getting Nate to comment (1+ / 0-)
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          His response to including a George Allen internal poll: "..."

          His response to inquiries about the obvious scam company "Gravis Marketing", which appeared out of nowhere during the RNC and has a huge GOP house effect: "..."

          His response to the poll showing Romney up 15 in Florida, with seniors being 90% of the electorate: "This poll doesn't meet my criteria of a poll that should be thrown out."

          WTF? The NYT has corrupted him so badly it's sad. I guess the media had a stake in making sure there wasn't going to be any accurate, straight shooter analysis of the 2012 election, so they scooped Nate right up and made him another pundit.

          •  He really said that about the FL polling showing (0+ / 0-)

            90 percent seniors polled and Mittens with a 15 pt lead.

            OMG , did not know that.  Holy crap.  It sounds like some guy hired off the street by Rove walked into a senior center in the most conservative part of Florida and did a poll of all the people there playing Bingo !

            All these new polling places suddenly springing up after the debates..everyone and his uncle and second cousin is polilng people, I guess. Good Grief, this is weird.

            OK PA Liberal, we both live in PA...Are you voting for Obama..Yes.

            OK I am voting for Obama..Yes...

            OK..we can be a polling outfit then ..like Roves and Kochs groups and we can say Obama is clearly winning PA by a large margin..because you and I and our families are voting for Obama and well I have 2 wingnut cousins..so there are Mitts vote...

            We have a New PA poll..PA LIberal and me ..and our families and Facebook friends..in PA..Yippeee.LOL

            Follow PA Keystone Liberals on Twitter: @KeystoneLibs

            by wishingwell on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 03:37:35 AM PDT

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  •  I think the President on Tuesday will do just fine (4+ / 0-)

    Let's face it his debate performance was so lousy last time, that unless he shits his pants, I think he will absolutely do better then last time. So Relax, plus you have to keep in mind that Romney may have a boost but even that debate could not move his favorables over 50. He's still disliked.

    •  Does it bother anyone that it was (2+ / 0-)
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      TheGreatLeapForward, wishingwell

      determined before the debate that the President would loose?

      •  Reagan lost his first debate.... (0+ / 0-)

        And still cruised to a 49 state wipe-out.

        •  That is true but of course the country was not so (1+ / 0-)
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          peacefully

          bitterly divided along partisan lines, no cable news, no hate radio day and night and other factors.  

          But the winner of the first debate is traditionally the challenger..so I saw that coming. I just never thought the media would bash the President round the clock and elevate Mitt to near Hero Sure Winner Position.

          Follow PA Keystone Liberals on Twitter: @KeystoneLibs

          by wishingwell on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 03:43:05 AM PDT

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      •  Yes it bothers me a lot , Char, so obvious if (0+ / 0-)

        Mitt just managed to stand there for 9o minutes and talk..he would win....media wanted a close election for ratings. I was positive they would say Mitt won.
        I just never thought they would bash Obama constantly and round the clock for a week!

        I never thought the media would proclaim Mitt Presidential and Masterful and Brilliant and ignore the content of what he said.

        Media say the polls with this clear Obama lead and they wanted a close election and have been pushing ever since and gushing over Mitt since the debate and even gushing over Ryan now.

        Follow PA Keystone Liberals on Twitter: @KeystoneLibs

        by wishingwell on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 03:41:10 AM PDT

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  •  It's not don't care about the polls (3+ / 0-)

    The polls are currently bad and we need to take them seriously. But it's don't get depressed and/or OCD over the polls. It's enough work trying to win elections, but having to do suicide counseling on top of it is too much. Look, if you're getting in a funk and can't get out of it you have several options: Get to work on canvassing, make a donation, etc. works like a charm for me every time. On the other hand if you can't take the heat, take a vacation for a few days, or quit. But stop the angst porn.

  •  this is true up to a point... (0+ / 0-)

    ...unfortunately...watching the mainstream news media narrative go all-in on Romney...can, is disheartening...and it would be inaccurate to say that that has no affect on the race...it does. There are a fair number of folks who, many through no fault of their own (being focused on working one, two or three jobs or finding a job just to put food on the table) who do not follow the race closely and may be swayed by the media "horse race" mentality. That's a fact.

    You're right, though, that there's no sense in getting all bent out of shape about it all.

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