Skip to main content're an idiot.  Stop waiting for the media to give you permission to win the election.  Their words don't mean anything, only yours do - except when all you're saying is to talk about them.  You're trying to argue with a Hall of Mirrors: The warped images aped from corrupted reality can't hear you, don't know you exist, and couldn't tell the truth even if they did - they're not journalists, and they won't magically become journalists because you treat them as if they were.  Turn off the teevee and the Twitter feed, humanoids, and tell me what you're building with your own two hands, your own heart, and your own mind so that a better country will grow from you and those you inspire.  

Are you so in love with your own reflection that you can't even look away when it's distorted into a monstrous lie?  Are you still the same fly caught in webs of propaganda, self-fulfilling prophecies of helplessness, and contempt for a fiction of "conservative America" that you were under George W. Bush, hanging desperately on every poll to tell you which way is up?  Is that how you think this country came into existence and survived all these years - is your behavior and mode of thinking the kind that produces freedom and creative change on an ongoing basis?

Are you America's Last Man, passively absorbing the final shred of living essence as it dissolves into a two-dimensional sheet of mutually-directed malice and fear, whining about the loss of a living past that your sepulchre statue of a present can't comprehend?  Do you answer present facts and your own potential for action with imbecilic media cliches, spouting demographic labels and advertising slogans while thinking you're talking?  Do you still believe that people wanted to have a beer with George W. Bush?  Do you believe that America is a conservative country?  When someone claims that white, working-class people are not native soil for Democrats, or that they're perceived as weak on defense, do you just accept that?  If so, then accept this too: I don't believe you exist.

Everything else you believe is shit someone hostile to your existence told you to make you inconsequential and waste your time trying to meet their impossible, fiction-based double-standards, so why not believe that too: You don't exist.  Everything you say came from somewhere else with little or no intermediate synthesis or additional thought occurring in the process, so why not just accept that you're not actually in the process - you're an arbitrary volume of empty space through which lies and meaningless gibberish pass unimpeded, and are opaque only to real ideas since those might impose the obligation to Be and participate.  How much of your poll-head existence is just based on people repeating what they've been told other people believe - exactly like you?  

Why even pretend you're a human being if the same Three Card Monte bait-and-switch tactics always jerk you hither and thither without any variation or learning taking place?  Just nod your head in solemn resignation when you're told that the world is against you, that your values are an outlier, and everything you hope to achieve is a fantasy.  When that gets boring and the media has to get your hopes up to keep playing their reindeer games, nod your head excitedly in ecstatic glee when they tell you it's all going to get better even if you yourself fail to change - you can passively ride the wave of revolution to paradise, just as you were passively riding the wave of corruption to hell.  

Keep nodding your head as they tell you you're disappointed with the results, that Americans are impressed in some way with the most recent sociopathic rat nominated by the Republican Party, that the race is tightening up, that it's down to the wire and neck-and-neck, and so on.  Like clockwork, every single election cycle, the same headlines with different names cut-and-pasted into the proper locations: And if reality doesn't follow The Plan, then the media gets really angry - whoever the "offending" candidate is who refuses to stop having an overwhelming lead, or who is such a shitbag they refuse to become legitimate, coverage changes into Alternate Universe Mode.  Everything the improperly popular one does is wrong, dangerous, embarrassing, flawed, in danger of compromising support with some demographic - everything is Good News for John McCain, all the time.  Curing cancer is a disastrous action that risks losing support in people employed by the pharmaceutical industry, etc. etc.  

And, of course, conversely, the C.H.U.D. muppet from the GOP who seemingly can't take two steps without kicking a baby in the face has magically discovered the secret of making the base enthusiastic while persuading Americans that they're not evil.  We know this because we're told.  Over, and over, and over.  The grotesque weirdo whose face trickles with the blood of recently-eaten puppies has achieved a "rousing success" by not killing everyone in the audience of his most recent debate performance.  Polls prove it.  "Which candidate in the debate recently won handily by the American hero debate-winner Mitt Romney and horribly lost by the loser Barack Obama do you think won the debate?  Remember, we know where you live, and Mitt Romney is personal friends with your employer.  So be honest."

Just keep singing along to the bouncing ball, and chasing the bait on the fishing line in every direction they jerk it.  Prepare for the apocalypse when the media's preprogrammed election schedule says it's Good News for John McCain time.  When their formulas tell them they need to do something in the other direction, have a public orgasm when they tell you things are going your way, and write superlative-laced rhetoric prominently advertising how the media really knows what it's doing now that they're telling you what you want to hear.   Then at the last moment they can say "Oh, so sorry!  It was so close!  A real photo finish, folks!  Thanks for playing, but now our bosses are done with you and will be assuming the offices that are rightfully theirs.  Better luck next time!"  

Then, of course, you get cynical - because they told you to do that too.  Nod your head to "both parties" false equivalency rhetoric belied by their own plainly partisan agenda.  Maybe you can then seek alternatives in candidates whose politics only ever serve Republicans.  But whatever you do, winning is not an acceptable outcome: In Media Land, it's not even acknowledged as a logical possibility.  They can't stop the occasional election victory, of course, but actually accomplishing something can never be part of the agenda.  If you do, they'll simply ignore it - and if people know about it anyway, the coverage will hammer them with lies and negative innuendo until the perception of progress is beaten down.

The pundit universe cannot tolerate progress, or enlightenment, or tangible proof of people being empowered to improve their existence: Being good, right, honorable, and intelligent, then behaving accordingly does not yield a profitable narrative.  It does not yield exciting commentary, and it does not yield the kind of pointless perpetual contention that feeds the nihilistic vermin who make a career out of noise.  Making everything a matter of opinion does.  Putting climate change deniers on a panel to rail their insanity as if it were an equivalent position to science feeds them, not reporting on science itself.  

No progress is possible in Pundit Land because no resolution can ever be tolerated on even the simplest points - and if you choose to live in Pundit Land, chasing the fantasy that it will ever be inhabited by sane, honest people, then you are gone.  Simply gone.  You will run in circles hemmorhaging energy and flopping around like a fish on the docks until there's nothing left of you: Nothing but a skittish, pallid little street addict begging passersby for a favorable poll so you can momentarily believe the fake world that has invaded your mind is something tolerable.  

There is no excuse for it.  At all.  The lie was revealed glaringly in 2008.  Nothing those bastards claimed about the election had any effect on it - they shrieked "Good News for John McCain" and "Obama in Trouble" from every headline and rooftop, and every banner ad on the internet, and nobody gave the slightest shit.  We were too busy living to be caught up in some abstract theoretical interpretation of life, let alone some plainly dishonest attempt to force us into that framework for the convenience of the people who are supposed to be examining it.  Rather than us running around in circles trying to get the permission of these con artists to let us shape our own country, we simply acted on our own initiative and let them run in circles trying to mindfuck us into believing they were important.

Unfortunately, the games those people play are not one-sided - there are people who want to live in the Matrix, and want to be enshrouded in a comforting blanket of helpless illusion.  They saw exactly what happened in 2008, and it drove them every bit as batshit as the Republicans, just in a completely different and more disturbing way.  They were robbed of their certainty of defeat - robbed of the "freedom of the dead" to be utterly inconsequential, and a lot of them have been searching ever since then for chances to get back into that mindset: Excuses to believe that things are worse than they are, that people are worse than they are, that obstacles are insurmountable, and of course the corrupt ideology that citizenship consists of parroting and manipulating narratives rather than working with facts.

These types had a set of cliched phrases and demographic orthodoxy to parrot rather than thinking, and they were very happy with it throughout the '90s and '00s - happy to have politics reduced to a numerical profession in which no real surprises were possible: Any "surprise" that occurred had to just be another brick in the Temple of Bullshit and ultimately serve the media's preprogrammed narratives, because otherwise they would just deny or hound it out of existence (see their reaction to the 2004 presidential campaign of Wesley Clark for an example).  Then Barack Obama shattered their world by turning on the lights in a Hall of Mirrors, and suddenly people with any kind of mind recognized immediately what was going on here - that the media really was a corrupted profession full of thoroughly mendacious people who talk to avoid reporting the truth rather than as a means of communication.  They shrieked their displeasure at Obama's refusal to play ball in so many ways that it became a running joke that only they seemed not to understand.

But now the usual suspects are at it again, and they have a lot of people pitching in to rebuild the Temple of Bullshit.  Turns out some people just plain find security in confinement, and are afraid of living in a world that arises from themselves - they want to be subjects that the world happens to, not the origin of events.  Every time the world is handed to them to shape, they get all fidgety and insecure, and start accusing people of not leading - they want to be told what to think, and the moment they are told what to think (even when what they're being told is something that goes against their own alleged agenda), everything snaps into focus for them.  "Of course we're doomed," they think - such a belief makes perfect sense to them, and fits their mentality like a key in a lock.  Born victims.  

In their world, 2008 never happened - for them, the aftermath was a bitter, frightening memory of being alone on a mountaintop with no one telling them where to go or what to do, and an experience best suppressed.  Now blissful amnesia has set in among them - they've reverted back to the early 2000s, to the days of making choices based on what the media commands, trying to convince shadows to move in a different direction than the people casting them.  They just don't know what to do otherwise.  If they didn't have superficialities, they wouldn't have anything at all.  And that's why I say to those people, you don't exist.  You are shadows.  You are fictions.  You are ripples created by someone else's stone impacting the water.  I will not attempt to persuade you, because there is no one there to persuade: I will simply act and you will follow, because that's what you are.  See, the thing is, a footstep doesn't wait to be echoed to have occurred - the only difference is how surprised you are when we arrive.

Originally posted to Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:12 PM PDT.

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  •  9.8 on the Rant-o-meter! (24+ / 0-)

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:15:49 PM PDT

  •  Polls are just data (9+ / 0-)

    And some of them tell us as much about the people conducting the polls or reporting the results as anything else.

    Romney: The guy that laid off your father. Ryan: The guy that thinks your father should starve because he couldn't keep a job.

    by Liberal Protestant on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:16:38 PM PDT

  •  Actually (4+ / 0-)

    they are journalists.

    Quality varies, but they actually are.

    Frankly, this is a very weird diary.

    •  Paradigm! Proactive! (5+ / 0-)

      Am I a journalist now too?  

      Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

      by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:26:14 PM PDT

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      •  I haven't heard any journalist say that. (0+ / 0-)

        The journalists are different than the panels - which include politicos and such. The journalists ask their opinions and summarize.

        I find it intellectually lazy to act like it's all at the same level. ...and frankly stupid and childish.

        •  No, journalists are supposed to report facts (6+ / 0-)

          not create a fucking opinion montage in which reality is boiled down to a (power-weighted) average of delusions.  Those people are not journalists.  They're the corporate equivalents of Soviet political officers, and they portray an alternate universe where human evolution and climate change are in doubt, and the Cato Institute and AEI are respected "think tanks."  This country does not have a Fourth Estate - it is simply a department of the commercial sector that says whatever that sector wishes to be promoted.

          Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

          by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:01:53 PM PDT

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          •  some of them do. (1+ / 0-)
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            But most don't. You get to choose what news you consume.

            What you are really ranting about is that other people are not choosing the same news you would like them to choose.

            I get that. I wish people we're not so fucking moronic too. But it's the cost of living in a free society.

            Maybe an intelligence test should come befor we release ballots.

            •  No, I'm not complaining about "low-information (4+ / 0-)
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              voters" - that too is media horseshit.  Oh, I know such people exist, but the media's the only one putting them on a pedestal and treating them like they're more important than anyone else.  

              No, what I'm pissed off at are people who should know better - people around here - who live and breathe by coverage targeted at those assholes.

              Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

              by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:32:19 PM PDT

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                •  Gee, I don't know, how about the people (5+ / 0-)
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                  who couldn't wrap their heads around the mind-blowing concept that you can't claim someone "won" a debate based entirely on what you suspect other people believed about it - itself based completely on what pundits told you other people believed about it?  People who have descended into a state of PCP-like depersonalization from media mindfuckery, and who barely comprehend that they exist as agents of action in their own universe?  And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you know what they say about the player who can't spot the sucker in the room.

                  Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

                  by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:44:27 PM PDT

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          •  what they do is stir up emotions... (4+ / 0-)
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            .... because humans gravitate toward stirred-up emotions like moths toward the light bulbs over the garage.  

            And that sells more advertising.

            Thus the whole horse race thing.  It's a suspense thriller.  

            And it also has the whole element of prophesyin' in it: everyone wants to know the future.  Knowing the future is Special.  Those who claim to predict the future get lots of attention, and that sells more advertising.  

            Take it from a lifelong precog: even when you see the future, you don't know that what you saw was accurate until it happens.  Just like entangled photon pairs: you don't know if the polarization was flipped until you get the confirming signal at normal (sub-light) speeds.  

            What people here need to know is: stop trying to predict the future and roll up your sleeves and make the future.  

            (If it helps any, I dreamed of wearing an Obama T-shirt to visit Republican relatives, which means Obama won.  Now go out there and GOTV to make it so.  
            This piece of prophesy brought to you by Chevrolet:  Don't just see the future, drive it: Chevy Volt.)

            "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

            by G2geek on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:19:10 PM PDT

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            •  So he is mad at the media (0+ / 0-)

              for trying to get eyeballs?

              Still does not make sense. THat is what they do.

              •  So in your world (3+ / 0-)
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                news coverage is inherently corrupt, mendacious, irresponsible, and fictionalized, and those who engage in it ought not be held accountable in any way, shape, or form because their actions are definitive of their profession?  Is this also your attitude toward police officers - "Of course they plant evidence - that's just what they do!"  How about militaries - "You're mad that they massacred civilians?  That's what militaries do!"  What exactly is your reason for existing as a "progressive," if that is indeed how you see yourself?  

                Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

                by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 10:19:56 PM PDT

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                •  It is THE world. (0+ / 0-)

                  I fight for progressive ideals in THE World. Not some magical fairy world where all people need is a bitch slap and they will magically "Come to Jesus."

                  It appears from your comments that you are actually trying to do good here. But you need to go back and think it through better.

                  Funny how big rants and lots of fireworks an references to steaming piles and idiots get LOTS to eyeballs.

                  Reminds me of something/......oh yeah..CNN.

                  •  the reason this rant got lots of eyeballs... (3+ / 0-)
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                    ... is that Troubadour used one of the central methods of media, which is to emotionalize.   Count the emotion-words in the diary, relative to non-emotional words, omitting articles such as "a", "an," and "the," and omitting pronouns.  Compare the ratio here to the ratios in diaries that get few comments.  

                    Now it may be that he was actually all worked up emotionally and was just sharing it contagiously.

                    Or it may be that he did this with level-headed objectivity for the purposes of whipping up a frenzy and getting reactions.

                    Either way it appears to have worked.

                    "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

                    by G2geek on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 11:16:29 PM PDT

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              •  no, he's mad at Kossacks who... (5+ / 0-)
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                .... depend on the media for their sense of reality, rather than questioning everything and making their own choices of their own free will.

                And he's mad at Kossacks who breathlessly await every poll and follow the polls like a manic-depressive roller coaster, as if polls are some kind of oracles that will tell us the future, rather than rolling up their sleeves and making the future that we want.  

                Troubadour embraces the future with an activist outlook.  His diaries on space exploration make it very clear that he's on the side of those who are actively making the future.  And tonight he's ranting about people who behave as if the future is fate.  

                Fate is a wholly unscientific concept.  

                The future is what we make it.  With our minds, hearts, and hands.

                And nowhere is that more true than in elections.

                "Minus two votes for the Republican" equals "plus one vote for the Democrat." Arithmetic doesn't care about their feelings either!

                by G2geek on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 11:13:25 PM PDT

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    •  Actually, 62% of likely voters say you're wrong (5+ / 0-)

      although that only goes down to 58%.  Did you know that 72.5% of all quoted polls are completely made up, including that one?  According to our demographic data, blah blah blah, flibberdegibbets are gobbledebooger.  Gerberdoop.  Derpa derb.  Thanks for watching, and don't forget to drink your Ovatine!

      Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

      by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:33:33 PM PDT

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  •  Rec'd for first line... Ha Ha Ha (7+ / 0-)

    "New poll says... you're an idiot."


  •  I like this. My takeaway is tune out the media. (6+ / 0-)

    Something that I really think I need to do. Forward!!

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:31:39 PM PDT

  •  Why do we have to get excited? (4+ / 0-)

    We all know what we have to do on Nov 6.  

    It is mere illusion to live in political Wonkey Land guided by the sage pundits and disingenuous politicians.  

    It still is true that people vote... not polls or dollars.  At least, it is for the present.

  •  Thanks, Troub (3+ / 0-)
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    Really enjoyed this one.

    Reminded me just a little bit of the old clammyc diaries...

    There's smart, and there's K-mart smart. Sarah Palin is K-mart smart.

    by InsultComicDog on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:32:58 PM PDT

  •  Well said! About time! :) (4+ / 0-)
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    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:46:21 PM PDT

  •  HOT DAMN!!LOVE IT!!!!!nt (3+ / 0-)
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    If I knew it was going to be that kind of party, I'd have stuck my ---- in the mashed potatoes! - Paul's Boutique

    by DoctorWho on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:46:23 PM PDT

  •  Chuck Todd reading his own NBC poll last thursday (8+ / 0-)

    "90% of those polled say first debate didnt influence their choice and doesnt matter because they already made up their minds, BUT I have to say debate matters'

    I was like 'WTF dude did you hear yourself?'

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 08:49:49 PM PDT

    •  He means it matters to him. (6+ / 0-)

      That's really all these people are every actually saying - "I'll be out of a job if I don't have something to yammer about, so I'll just make something up."

      Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

      by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:07:56 PM PDT

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    •  Apply that analysis to the first debate. (0+ / 0-)

      If that poll sample is similarly representative of the debate viewing audience, then for nearly 7 million viewers the debate DID influence their choice. In a tight race, you don't take 7 million potential voters for granted. Here's hoping Obama brings his A game this Tuesday.

      Romney's secret plan for a revenue neutral tax cut sounds like McCain's secret plan to end the war in Iraq.

      by WisePiper on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:08:10 PM PDT

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      •  You mean, in a race the media is doing (5+ / 0-)
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        everything in its power to make and portray as tight - which they also did in 2008 - they're pretending that low-information voters are decisive, also as they did in 2008, and every other election ever.  Because L.I.V.s are the only people who listen to them - and people dumb / corrupt / weak enough to agree that L.I.V.s should be the centerpiece of every election season.

        Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

        by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:35:41 PM PDT

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        •  It's a tight race because the GOP is still (1+ / 0-)
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          engaged in massive voter suppression and voter intimidation efforts. It's a tight race because Husted has appealed to SCOTUS and there still remains a chance that early voting will be quashed in Ohio.

          The corporate media has its own reasons for wanting this to be a tight race - that doesn't mean it's NOT a tight race.

          GOTV right up through November 6 is essential to securing this victory. It's not a gimme by any means. But, keep on spouting the nonsense that none of the polls or political analysis should be given any heed whatsoever.

          Romney's secret plan for a revenue neutral tax cut sounds like McCain's secret plan to end the war in Iraq.

          by WisePiper on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 10:17:25 PM PDT

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          •  and, too, it's a tight race because of LIVs (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't know whether Troubadour has convinced himself that low-information voters are a phantasm conjured by the media, or what. Maybe he objects to the whiff of essentialism. Having little information is a state, not a trait, and instead of wringing our hands about low-information voters, we could always try to inform some.

            Regardless, a lot of people still aren't sure whom they will vote for, and it's generally because they know too little to decide, not too much. It appears likely that those voters hold the balance of decision, whether we like it or not.

            Election protection: there's an app for that!
            Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

            by HudsonValleyMark on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 06:22:28 AM PDT

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  •  Mm. I agree people shouldnt live by polls. (5+ / 0-)

    Vote and convince others of the righteousness of your cause if you can.

    Maybe you meant this diary to be a pep talk, but kinda came across as condescending and holier than thou.
    I don't get the hyperventilating drama queens ( We're DOOOMED!!) but no need to think you're better than them. They just care another way than you do.

    •  It was a slap in the face (2+ / 0-)
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      There's smart, and there's K-mart smart. Sarah Palin is K-mart smart.

      by InsultComicDog on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:00:29 PM PDT

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    •  There were certainly some freakouts but (5+ / 0-)
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      but most people have moved on.  Many had great diaries/comments about GOTV today.  Can't help but think how many calls could have been made with the time spent writing this 10,000 word essay.

      •  Do you really want *me* representing (3+ / 0-)
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        us to the public?  I'm obnoxious - part of being a contributing reality-based community member is a healthy respect for one's limitations.

        Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

        by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:17:44 PM PDT

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        •  If you're "better, smarter, and more responsible" (2+ / 0-)
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          than the people you're talking about, it's surprising that operating a telephone is such a challenge for you.

          If only you weren't at war with undifferentiated soups of meaningless moral entropy, then you could get a handle on pinning down those limitations.

          •  In which case I should run for office myself (3+ / 0-)
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            and try to be an Olympic athlete, and adopt a dozen children, because if I dare to claim I know anything at all above some dead-center statistical average, then I must be claiming to know and be capable of everything.  Taking any moral stand whatsoever is thus the act of a ridiculous hypocrite, and we must treat genocidal dictators on the same plane as democratic activists and firefighters who save children from burning buildings.  Nothing is real, there is no good or evil, it's all just an opinion.  So here's an opinion for you: Corrupt people make me sick to my stomach.

            Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

            by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:53:24 PM PDT

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            •  I think equating the operation of a telephone (3+ / 0-)
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              with the Olympics is a very reasonable argument. And obviously the next logical step is that dictators and firefighters are equivalent as well.

              Well played.

              •  Phonebanking is not for everyone (1+ / 0-)
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                and not constructive if everyone were involved in it - which you would probably know if you'd ever done it, like I have - so don't even bother trying to formulate another Failpocalypse comeback to avenge whatever feelings you had reading this diary.  Your thought-to-comments ratio is getting seriously out of proportion.  

                Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

                by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 10:09:09 PM PDT

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                •  Mr/Mrs "better, smarter, and more responsible" (2+ / 0-)
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                  can't ask someone if they're planning to vote because it's like the Olympics.

                  Don't worry, I heard you.

                  Like Ann Romney said, this is hard.

                  •  Ouch. (2+ / 0-)
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                    I think you are awesome.

                  •  Remind me why you don't volunteer (0+ / 0-)

                    at every single charitable organization within 100 miles of where you live?  Do you overlook some organizations because ladling soup, sorting donated clothing, and stuffing envelopes is so beneath you?  Do you ever do anything other than help the homeless, and how do you then live with the hypocrisy of your oh-so-selfish self when you then go on to criticize rich Republicans for, say, using homeless people for game hunting?  But seriously, do the things you say actually strike you as moral reasoning?

                    Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

                    by Troubadour on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 07:17:07 AM PDT

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                    •  Totally (0+ / 0-)

                      Because calling people for Obama means you have to sign up for every charity within a 100 mile radius, compete in the Olympics, run 5 marathons, and cook a 5 course meal for 50 of your closest friends and relatives by tomorrow.

                      Your laziness and your excuses are so reasonable. Who could argue?

        •  point taken. (0+ / 0-)

          but somehow I don't feel motivated to act by this diary.

    •  Because I am better than them. (3+ / 0-)
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      Some people are smarter and more responsible than other people, because reality is not an undifferentiated soup of meaningless moral entropy.

      Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

      by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:16:47 PM PDT

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      •  Am a big fan of yours Troub. (2+ / 0-)
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        You write better than me,  you use better vocabulary than me, you use snark better than most people, heck I have to use the Encyclopedia to get half of what you write.
        But, don't let that "am so smart because I use big words " schtick blind you to the fact that people are mostly primal beings and external things will affect them. Pointing out and laughing at them for doing so is just...(as u said), quite obnoxious.
        Oh well, c'est la vie, n'est ce pas?

        •  We're not talking about people in general. (0+ / 0-)

          We're talking about folks who have set ourselves up as creators of change.  It's right to bitch-slap anyone who sets foot on that ground and still behaves like a zombie.

          Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

          by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:48:05 PM PDT

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          •  Nobody is doing that. (1+ / 0-)
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            People have a right to react to what they see and feel when they care about something.

            You are telling people that they are stupid for doing so.

            Not a fan. I don't think you are eloquent. There is absolutely no nuance to your point, and it's circular anyhow.

            I still cannot figure out who you are talking to....which by your logic means you are trying to talk to me.

            But I don't really follow all the media you are decrying so...I am still confused.

            Unless this is snark. Is it snark? If people were paralyzed into inactions by watching David Gregory on CNN, why would they bother to come to dkos to be talked down? I think they come so that they can figure out a way to continue. Sometimes it even helps. I know I felt better after spending some time here after the first debate.

  •  Eh, rec'd, but (3+ / 0-)
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    i really don't care what Dkos or HuffPo or CNN says, know how I'm voting and it's the Prez' to win or lose at this point. Hated the first debate, loved the second, the rest are gravy or aggravation, but still voting straight democratic ticket either way.


    Mitt Romney - Big Bird = Republican Foreign Policy

    by Therapy on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:16:59 PM PDT

  •  I learned that people who watch polls aren't human (2+ / 0-)
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    beings, which is an interesting theory coming from a community that claims that science matters.

    •  Not always like this. Election season. (3+ / 0-)
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      Passions are burning hot. Things will calm down eventually. It's actually rather calm here considering the Dean/Clark wars and the Obama/Clinton wars.

      You're new here! Welcome.

      Yes, we watch polls here at Daily Kos. We even pay for our own polls actually. We figure its a better way to measure public sentiment than just recalling conversations one had with that person that one time. And yes, you wont be able to come here and avoid the media around here because we pay attention to the media because (obviously). One has to actually watch the media in order to complain about it so much. Otherwise one would never have any idea how much they suck. Like most folks don't.

      Worry not. The good thing about here is that its just like the rest of the internet: you're free to choose what you want read. There's plenty of awesome science posts here.


      •  OMG, the Clinton/Obama wars were (1+ / 0-)
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        nuts. I left here for a long time then and just came back last month.

        Fucking brutal.

        •  Even those were tame compared to Dean/Clark. (2+ / 0-)
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          That was before kos got all strict on personal threats of violence and what not.

          But you're right about Clinton/Obama/Edwards. As one of those who started a bunch of battles in those wars on the Obama side in early 2007, trust and believe I remember. Me and TomP were once mortal enemies. And wow...remember Berkeley Vox?

          Those were the days....

          •  I just got mad (1+ / 0-)
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            at a FP diary by Kos that claimed Hillary made Obama look blacker.

            Jesus fucking Christ we went looooooowwwww.

            Plus the misogyny was insane. I went over to Talk Left and they could not stop slamming Obama.

            At that point I just had to step away from the computer.

            Just like this diarist should

            •  I think I remember one person called me a racist (3+ / 0-)
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              and after everyone pointed out to this person that I was black, she then went on to say that explains why im a sexist. LOL! that was fun. First im racist against black people, then when that doesn't a sexist against women because im black.

              Man, those were fun times.

              Troub will be ok. Valuable member of this community. Bit hot under the collar right now. Writes really great stuff about the solar system. But it might be a good time to step back from the keyboard before an irreversible mistake is made. Methinks saying folks here aren't human is approaching the line.

  •  Hey, I know. Three weeks before the election (3+ / 0-)
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    let's have liberal community leaders tell nervous liberals that they aren't human and that they don't exist.

    Unnecessary angry attacking metadrama targeting liberals - that should help bring the left together to win the election.

    Why didn't we think of this before?!

    •  You think people whose minds (2+ / 0-)
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      float around in a jar in some cable news outlet's headquarters are "liberals"?  

      Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

      by Troubadour on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 09:38:09 PM PDT

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      •  So people who watch polls aren't liberals? (3+ / 0-)
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        Is this drunk blogging? And if so, how drunk exactly?

      •  Just so you know Troub, I don't watch ANY (2+ / 0-)
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        Cable news. Or network news. Hell, I barely watch TV at all. My husband is the only reason the TV comes on in my house, as I'm completely indifferent to it.

        And yet. Obamas debate fail and the endusing polling disaster that followed (and from which we are only just now beginning to recover) made me nervous, angry and depressed. And angry. Did I mention angry?

        Oh and by the way, I also don't read newspapers online or off. Except maybe the excerpts in APR in the morning.

        And yet, I knew what I could sense in my own senses. Obama nearly cost himself a comfortable victory. I didn't need to have any media tell me that. I saw it with my own eyes. And the polling confirmed it for 10 days after and still today only show the beginnings of a recovery from it.

        I had every right to feel the way I did and I don't need the likes of you to tell me how I ought to feel about this or anything else.

        Your theory about being guided toward angst by a sell out media is flawed. At least it is in my case. I didn't get there by watching morning joe or chuck Todd or Rachel marrow or John Stewart or Diane sawyer or reading the NYT or huffpo or the Atlantic or digby or any of those things. Because I don't read or watch any of those things. I got there by being honest with myself about the utter disaster that was obamas first debate and reacting with appropriate and perfectly human fear, anger and disappointment. I won't have you tell me I had no right to those feelings or that ok some dupe pseudo liberal for feeling that way. You can just go right and fuck yourself mr know it all.

        For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

        by mdmslle on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 02:58:41 AM PDT

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  •  Great rant. Bob Dylan once said (2+ / 0-)
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    That he was constantly asked for years who the target of his song "Like a Rolling Stone" was.  He said he eventually realized it was himself.  Similarly, I embrace this rant as a form of self-criticism against the diarist's own worse tendencies as much as it is a denunciation of a certain mentality he doesn't like in others.  It's a great rant.

    •  Then it's an act of self-hatred (0+ / 0-)

      I can think of more amusing methods of self-abuse.

      •  "I can't believe what I'm hearing on MSNBC.... (3+ / 0-)
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        It's like that old Yogi Berra saying: "That place is too crowded. Nobody goes there!"

        •  Ha ha !!! Funny bbb! (2+ / 0-)
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          I know. I don't have a clue what Chuck Todd thinks...BECAUSE I DON"T WATCH HIM.

          See? Easy!

        •  Whereas, contrarily (0+ / 0-)

          if I said I knew nothing about what the media was saying, you would accuse me of deliberate ignorance.  I'm sorry if you can't wrap your head around the idea of knowing something without being mindfucked by it.

          Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

          by Troubadour on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 04:47:24 AM PDT

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          •  You can't be angry about something you don't know. (1+ / 0-)
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            So I'd expect indifference to MSNBC if you didn't watch. You know, like I have. Since I don't watch national pundit shows or read their articles unless I see them here, I am indifferent to whatever they say. Nothing pro or against.

            This my be one of your uncontrolled bully moments you've had in the past. I'd suggest taking a few days off to reflect. Nobody wants to see you go, especially when it comes to planetary exploration diaries. So, dial it back a bit. Once you're out saying some of your fellow kossacks aren't even human beings, you're about to cross the line.

            •  If you think it's dehumanizing (0+ / 0-)

              to tell someone that their actions fail the most basic test of conscious will and self-awareness and dare them to wake up, what the hell is humanity to you?  A set of physical traits, a genetic code, the ability to spout cliched batches of oral sounds to trigger responses in others of the species?  Or is there, perhaps, some greater moral journey involved in humanity than merely being born as the Forced Birth fundies would have it?  

              Having no standards but to reject those who do is not liberalism - it's the worst form of cowardly hypocrisy, and history does not end simply because you lose interest in creating it or lack the imagination to understand what that means.  We know what kind of people waltz into the vacuum when that sort of gutless nihilism holds sway among liberals, so I beg your pardon if I offended your delicate sensibilities, but we have this little thing called the world where actions and lack thereof have actual consequences for people.  

              Eight years of George W. Bush were the wages of media creatures in our party who couldn't imagine doing anything without the express written consent of some GOP-puppet radio talk show host or cable news anchor.  And it's one thing for that madness to take hold in a politician who actually has a professional interest in watching such things, as inexcusable as even that was - it's quite another to simply be such a mindless weakling that that's the only way one can comprehend reality.

              Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

              by Troubadour on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 07:04:05 AM PDT

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              •  Well, it has something to do with the Golden Rule (0+ / 0-)

                in my book. So just I wouldn't want anybody telling me what my moral code and self-awareness ought to look like, I don't generally stand in judgment of others choices on that front.

                I think seeing everything that happens in the media or through the internet as a dimension of some sort of personal failing or character inadequacy or worse...a lack of basic humanity (wow!) taking things a bit too...em...personally?

                You can disagree with people without having to conclude that their disagreement means you are better than them or that they are less human than you are.

                I generally give people the benefit of the doubt about motives until proven otherwise. I most certainly don't let my emotions guide me when coming to conclusions about people's worth as human beings.

                so I beg your pardon if I offended your delicate sensibilities, but we have this little thing called the world where actions and lack thereof have actual consequences for people.  
                Heh. Trust, that didn't happen. Nobody here would ever accuse me of delicate sensibilities. I'm just warning you so you don't get yourself banned again. This time permanently.
                •  Umm... (0+ / 0-)
                  Nobody here would ever accuse me of delicate sensibilities.
                  Maybe because if they did you'd say some embarrassing shit like this:
                  I'm just warning you so you don't get yourself banned again.  This time permanently.
                  Smarmy-ass "friendly warnings" like that will get you told to fuck yourself, especially after having just objected to this diary because you find it too "judgmental."

                  I appreciate criticism when it's both intelligent and honest, but pretending that I'm "dehumanizing" people for criticizing deliberate ignorance, dereliction, and recklessness is neither.  I haven't implicitly or otherwise denied anyone's essential capacity for responsible behavior, and my fundamental respect for human dignity seems to be the basis of your problem with this diary.  Unless it's you who is claiming that some people are just inherently soulless and absent, abdicating free will is itself a decision for which people are accountable.

                  Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

                  by Troubadour on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 09:17:59 AM PDT

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          •  Besides, (0+ / 0-)

            if I remember correctly you are in Colorado. You live in an important swing state unlike the vast majority of the people here. You shouldn't even be on here at all.

    •  Right, that's it exactly. (0+ / 0-)

      Just like when we criticize Republicans, we're really saying that it's we who are racist, ignorant, greedy pigs.  And when you write a letter to a newspaper criticizing an editorial, you're really just expressing your own deep-seated inadequacies.  That about sum it, Dr. Freud?

      Everything there is to know about the GOP: They're the Bad Guys.

      by Troubadour on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 04:50:51 AM PDT

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  •  It's a freaking righteous rant. (4+ / 0-)
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    I am laughing my face off at the discussion. Some people seem to be taking the criticism personally, which is a shame. But in a world where the deceptions and dramas fly by at a dizzying pace, this diary was a grounding experience, with tasty words to boot.

    The founding fathers knew of the mutually corrupting influences of Church and state, wisely sending them to opposite corners.

    by emidesu on Sat Oct 13, 2012 at 10:47:34 PM PDT

  •  Righteous Rant (2+ / 0-)
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    It is echoing in my mind even after I am done reading it.

  •  well said (1+ / 0-)
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    And a +1 for the obvious, to me anyway, influence of Zarathustra speaking to the mob of the marketplace about the last man on the tone of the writing.

    Nicht durch Zorn, sondern durch Lachen tödtet man. ~Nietzsche

    by somewierdguy on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 02:30:08 AM PDT

  •  Lot of rant, lot of smoke, (0+ / 0-)

    few facts. No rational discourse.

    I would never belong to a club that would have me as a member--Groucho Marx.

    by DaveS002 on Sun Oct 14, 2012 at 07:03:05 AM PDT

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