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Republican Ohio Senator Rob Portman, responding to a question from ABC's Jake Tapper about why Paul Ryan falsely claimed during last week's vice presidential debate that the unemployment rate had increased throughout America since President Obama took office:
I think that what he was saying is the truth, which is, unemployment's higher today than when the president took office. And you know, unfortunately, in the meantime, we’ve created net zero jobs, Jake.
That's just wrong. The unemployment rate today is 7.8 percent. That's the same as it was in George W. Bush's last month in office and it's less than the 8.3 percent rate recorded during President Obama's first full month. Portman's other claim was also false: more people are working today than when President Obama took office. That might be bad news for Portman's political aspirations, but it doesn't give him the right to deny it.

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  •  The word is "lied" not falsely claimed. (5+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541, politicalceci, TomP, eXtina, cosette

    And zero jobs?? Absolute. BS.

    Warning: That light at the end of the tunnel just might be an oncoming train.

    by history first on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:25:53 AM PDT

  •  That's the wrong metric anyway. (9+ / 0-)

    Measure it from the passing of the stimulus.  Obama wasn't responsible for the freefall he walked into.  

    •  Yes, in the past Repubs were fond of "blaming" (2+ / 0-)
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      a2nite, SquirrelQueen

      previous Dem administrations for the FIRST TWO YEARS of economic conditions when they'd take over (well, Reagan is a striking example of that).

      So, if that's the case, Obama's policies didn't really take over until early 2011, and things have definitely been going in the right direction since then (albeit agonizingly slowly)

      •  "(albeit agonizingly slowly)" (0+ / 0-)

        You know that if it wasn't for the contraction of public sector jobs, mostly in Red States, that overall job growth would be at record levels, right? The private sector numbers are VERY good, but Republican cuts at the state level have pulled the overall numbers down.
        Another aspect of the GOP attack on Americans in order to make Obama a one term president.

        •  During the last month, yes, those 850,000 (0+ / 0-)

          new jobs created IN ONE MONTH really were eye-popping!

          However, we're still well below the number of jobs pre-2008 crash - even if only the private sector were considered.  That's by far the slowest rebound in anybody's lifetime who happens to be blogging at this site . . .

          •  Absolutely (2+ / 0-)
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            chickeee, Sue B

            and that's, to a great extent, due to Congressional constipation courtesy of the GOP. Every program that could have boosted the recovery has been blocked and/or hacked to death.

            •  You're arguing against yourself now (0+ / 0-)

              I totally agree with the reason that the job growth has been agonizingly slow is because the GOP congress has blocked recovery initiatives.

              Having said that - you can't turn around and say (against all evidence) that job growth has been at record levels (unless you meant record SLOW levels) - that's both factually incorrect and more or less validates the GOP's POV that government stimulus is not the way to go . . .

              •  "...would have been.." (0+ / 0-)

                Though I concede your point since I can't show that private sector job growth has been recordbreaking.
                My point is that we need both private AND public sectors to be strong in order to get back on our feet. I think we are in fundamental agreement there.

                •  Guess that just goes to show the bipartisan (0+ / 0-)

                  idiocy that virtually every state in the country boxed themself into by adopting balance budget amendments . ..  like they say, in a democracy people get the government they deserve.

    •  Well... (0+ / 0-)

      The reason that free fall happened was because confidence was lost due to the election of Obama.

      We only think nothing goes without saying.

      by Hamtree on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:39:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  They'll claim correctly that the avg. was higher (0+ / 0-)

      But, again, it's a false indicator of what was and is going on.  The jobs crisis has progressed almost no matter what Obama has done because jobs are still being outsourced, state legislatures and local governments are still reducing headcount, and apart from the stimulus and earlier interventions also developed by the GWB administration, most government actions to change tax policy or inject money into the bottom of the economy have been stalled or severely modified by Republicans.  

      While they scream that we can't blame Bush anymore, the current jobs picture is still the result of primarily Republican policies and philosophy.  And that won't change much with the current makeup of Congress.

      West. No further west. All sea. --Robert Grenier

      by Nicolas Fouquet on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 11:05:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The lies are around the world before the truth (5+ / 0-)

    puts its shoes on, or something.  The media should take their lessons from VP Biden and know the information before they start the interviews and be able to counter the falsehoods when uttered, not at some point in the future after the falsehood has become accepted wisdom.  Too many folks believe if something isn't challenged immediately, it's either factual or factual enough that "reasonable people may differ".  

    It's not going to happen often enough this debate season, but perhaps part of the money for education that needs to be spent these next four years needs to be spent on educating newspeople on how to actually do their jobs.

  •  This is the kind of thing that makes a person (4+ / 0-)
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    prodigal, politicalceci, Joealan, eXtina

    seem desperate and unhinged.

    Truth is that unemployment did go up under President Obama and, by any realistic measure, remains higher and worse -- especially with regard to long-term unemployment -- than it was at any time during George Bush's administration.

    This is the kind of spin that hurts your own credibility -- when you call the truth a lie, it's hard to believe you when  you call a lie a lie.

    You have a single unemployment number -- the BLS U3 that looks no worse than the number at the end of Bush's term, although that doesn't hold up under scrutiny: it is bolstered by an unusually large number of people working part-time because they can't find full-time work.

    Why cede solid ground -- that things have gotten better than they were, that the real economic implosion occurred under President Bush, and that high unemployment was the fallout of that implosion -- for the sake of such a fishy whine?

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:27:56 AM PDT

  •  In the new journalism, (3+ / 0-)
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    politicalceci, SquirrelQueen, cosette

    being "objective" means giving equal time to both sides of the issue, even when one side of the issue is objective reality and the other side is somebody talking BS, and treating both as equally valid positions.

    "The unemployment rate is higher now than when the President took office" is just as valid as "The unemployment rate is lower now than when the President took office". Who cares if there are actual numbers you can look at? The media isn't going to question either statement, out of fears of alienating their audience.

    It all boils down to money. They want to keep as broad an audience as possible, so they're always careful not to spend too much time questioning the beliefs audience members may hold, and they try to keep everything as artificially even as possible. It's not about educating your audience, it's about reinforcing what they already think.

    "Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis." -Ralph Waldo Emerson "YEAAAAAAARGH!" -Howard Dean

    by AtomikNY on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:28:25 AM PDT

  •  Why is it never mentioned of the (4+ / 0-)
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    politicalceci, CwV, chickeee, Deejay Lyn

    state/local government jobs killed by Repub state/local governments that has really put a damper on the job recovery.

    It the past government jobs have always been allowed to increase during tough economic times.

    "Drudge: soundslike sludge, islike sewage."
    (-7.25, -6.72)

    by gougef on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:28:29 AM PDT

    •  I am puzzled about that, too. I guess the only (0+ / 0-)

      explanation is that the right has pushed the "Obama is a socialist" 'meme for so long that any mention of cuts in "government" jobs would lend itself to that already existing accusation.

  •  The first post-factual presidential campaign. (4+ / 0-)
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    politicalceci, SottoVoce, eXtina, cosette

    It keeps catching us up.  We need to learn to lie like a toddler.

    I can’t decide who’s cuter – the dead guy with the arrows in his chest, or the guy in the ditch with the seeping wound. -- Game of Thrones (Heard on Set)

    by prodigal on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:29:47 AM PDT

  •  More: Private sector jobs / less public sector (1+ / 0-)
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    politicalceci

    You'd think Republicans would be happy about that?

    Hell no. The only thing that makes them happy is when treasurey dollars are flowing from your pockets into their pockets.

    “No, Mitt, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they love, they cry, they dance, they live and they die. Learn the difference.”-- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:30:15 AM PDT

  •  That's because Portman is an enabler (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    who supports and makes excuses for Mitt Romney's lies. The GOP wouldn't know the truth even it was super-glued to their behinds.  It's so disturbing how these guys could lie so easily without even worrying about the defamation of character.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:32:30 AM PDT

  •  if it's a false claim (2+ / 0-)
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    DSPS owl, eXtina

    Why repeat it in the diary headline?

    Compare the actual diary title:

    Top Romney surrogate falsely claims unemployment rate higher under President Obama than Bush
    with this alternative, which does not say what the GOPer said, and focuses on our own message, not the Republican one:
    Top Romney surrogate makes false claims about unemployment, ignores Obama's record of job growth
    See the difference?
  •  The workforce participation rate is the lowest (1+ / 0-)
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    dinotrac

    it has been since 1981.

    So, even if President Obama has some small net gain, it is really a loss for the country as a whole.

    Everyone can be correct depending how they phrase things.

  •  Ohio Ohio Ohio.... (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    President Obama is going to win Ohio...end of story... nothing else matters.

  •  BwwwHaHaHa......can't stop laughin (3+ / 0-)
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    S F Hippie, Deejay Lyn, eXtina


    Earlier I caught from Time asking this question:

    The Lohan Effect: Will Romney Get a Boost from Low-Information Voters?

    Just a short while ago I catch this:

    Lindsay Lohan Endorses Mitt Romney; Star Not Actually Registered to Vote

    Typical, the oh so many over the years, especially since the raygun ones, that so strongly argue for tepub pols only when talking to one finds out they never vote because they're not registered and then many don't bother even doing so for up coming elections, talk about 'low information voters'!!

    Just can't stop a laughin, great monday morning chuckles!! ;c}

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:38:29 AM PDT

  •  WHY is Portman still called 'senator' when he took (4+ / 0-)
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    Catskill Julie, a2nite, eXtina, Icicle68

    a LOBBY Job?

    shouldnt he be called a lobbyist now?

    "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

    by KnotIookin on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:39:25 AM PDT

  •  Well Numbers and Portman are oxymorons. After all (3+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, eXtina, cosette

    he was Bush's OMB director

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:40:25 AM PDT

  •  Tapper Bugs Me (1+ / 0-)
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    eXtina

    Tapper has shown his true colors many times this season, as he will grill Democrats and sometimes gets testy, but lobs softballs at the Repubs, and very rarely a follow-up when they don't answer the question he asks.  TOOL!

  •  If the GOP had (4+ / 0-)
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    NedSparks, tuma, estreya, cosette

    1) fresh ideas
    2) a substantive, workable plan
    3) a solid record of achievement
    4) an inspiring candidate

    they could present these things with passion and commitment.  Lacking all four, they have no choice but to lie like a rug.

    "My dear friends, your vote is precious, almost sacred. It is the most powerful nonviolent tool we have to create a more perfect union." ---Representative John Lewis

    by SottoVoce on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:42:20 AM PDT

  •  PUSH BACK on the press. Conservatives made a (4+ / 0-)
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    NedSparks, a2nite, eXtina, cosette

    habit of it and that's why we are in the current rightward tilt in the national press.

    Call and write, post online. be specific, or don't and just call them on bias. If they hear more complaints from the right, who are habitual about it, than they get from US, they assume they are leaning our way! Squeeky wheel and all.

    Go on their Facebook pages:
    Jake Tapper on FB

    ABC This Week on FB

    You're already online, post a complaint on FB or Twitter.

    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

    by Catskill Julie on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:42:50 AM PDT

  •  Not trying to be an jerk here (2+ / 0-)
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    Minnesota Deb, dinotrac

    ..but could it be possible, that as a percentage of the population, the net job payroll number isn't positive (even though the actual number of jobs has grown, so has the overall population)?

    - of course he's still as ass regarding unemployment, percentage and I'm not sure how you could have a lower unemployment number and not a corresponding increase in payroll numbers. Just asking if there's some statistic that might show payroll not actually increasing when measured as a percentage...

    The BIG picture of course regarding jobs is that BUSH and company drove this economy into a ditch, and that's what Obama has been working so hard to pull us out of. It's incredible to me that anyone with half a memory of the past 12 years could support a republican.  What the fA$k is wrong with people???

    "The price of a memory is the memory of the sorrow it brings" Adam Durst/Counting Crows

    by zipn on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:43:45 AM PDT

    •  Not just possible, is. (0+ / 0-)

      Just keeping up with population growth requires about 135,000 new jobs a month.  We've managed to top that in some months, but not most months.

      And...the kicker is this:

      There are something like 27 million under-employed and unemployed people in the country.  Even if you accept that full-employment would leave us with 20 million (there is always some churn), that's 7 million more people who need full-time jobs than we have jobs for.  If we added 235,000 jobs a month,enough to account for population growth AND provide full-time jobs for 100,000 unemployed or under-employed people, it would take nearly 6 years to reach full employment.

      I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I don't think we've added 235,000 jobs in any single month, let alone month after month after month.

      Somebody with the facts handy: Please feel free to correct me.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:39:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Oh, hey. Another lie. (2+ / 0-)
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    Sue B, eXtina

    Imagine that.  

    Life is good. Injustice? Not so much.

    by westyny on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:50:41 AM PDT

  •  Call ABC's "This Week" like this: (3+ / 0-)
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    hulibow, eXtina, cosette

    212-456-7777
    press #1

    Ask receptionist to be connected to "This Week" or national news, etc.

    I just spoke to a staffer at This Week who tried to argue that Mr. Tapper's set up question was adequate. So I played the clip above, pointing out that the non-factual answer was left out there.
    He was polite but very defensive.

    If you get routed to the comment line, DO leave a comment.

    CALL THE MEDIA!

    Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

    by Catskill Julie on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:57:14 AM PDT

  •  There is nothing they won't lie about..Hey (0+ / 0-)

    Mitt and his bunch will next be telling people where the Stork headquarters are and how all should abstain because the Stork brought you for pete sakes.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 08:59:48 AM PDT

  •  How would this be bad for his political career? (2+ / 0-)
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    eXtina, cosette

    He got on TV, said Obama is bad, and said some numbers.  That's pretty much what Republican senators do, right?

    Early to rise and early to bed Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and dead. --Not Benjamin Franklin

    by Boundegar on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:00:23 AM PDT

  •  since (1+ / 0-)
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    zipn

    Since 2011, no major piece of economic legislation has been passed--this isn't Obama's economy--this is an absence of any government intervention--except for the independent Federal Reserve.
    The Left is being sucked into defending the highway that has be road blocked.  Insanity.

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:00:52 AM PDT

  •  New ARG polls out for VA, IA, and nationally (0+ / 0-)

    National 49-48 Romney, VA 48-47 Romney, IA - tied at 48. Even though they are all statistical ties there is good news for Obama in the underlying data. ARG is assuming a 78% white electorate nationally which would be a VERY high number, in addition in VA they are showing Obama winning 40% of white voters. Bottom line if Obama wins 40% of white voters in VA he will win the state.

  •  Ohio news media is pushing this lie (3+ / 0-)
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    gchaucer2, eXtina, cosette

    Cleveland Plain Dealer had some ridiculous chart on job creation Sunday that showed negative job creation under Obama's first term.  

    It has since disappeared from their web site.

    "Mitt Romney is Dick Cheney with more charisma"

    by Betty Pinson on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:04:11 AM PDT

  •  Sen. Portman also claimed... (3+ / 0-)
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    Deejay Lyn, eXtina, cosette

    Mitt Romney can lose Ohio and still win the presidency, which is an admission that Romney is going to lose Ohio.

    Oh, and lose the presidency, too.

    How about I believe in the unlucky ones?

    by BenderRodriguez on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:06:17 AM PDT

  •  I think the headline here is Tapper's framing of (0+ / 0-)

    the question:

    'In DEFIANCE OF FACTS'  

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Mon Oct 15, 2012 at 09:10:11 AM PDT

  •  abc & jake tapper (0+ / 0-)

    news is not their top priority, spewing the gop lies seems to be though.

  •  They were really jarred over the recent (0+ / 0-)

    unemployment numbers.  It is not really the numbers, it is the kinds of jobs that have not been sent overseas.  The new normal is forcing all of us to go back to school, pay anywhere from $4K and upwards, to get a job that used to happen by training in a union setting, or just getting a high school diploma and having in-depth training at work.  No one wants to train you any longer unless you are willing to shell out money for it.  When the unemployment rate was just over 5.5% under W, I was out there and had great difficulty finding a job.  I am attributing that to the kinds of jobs now out there, as opposed to what was out there even 15 years ago.

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