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  •  Fucking Assinine for this Site to Release PPP Poll (3+ / 1-)
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    marty marty, Buckeye54, chira2
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    Next time... just do a money-bomb for the RNC.  

    Trust-Fund Kids of America Unite... save the Bush tax cuts!

    by JCPOK on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:33:33 AM PDT

  •  This needs to be ON TV...... (19+ / 0-)

    as a two minute ad - and NOT just OFA's site where relatively few will see it.

    "Because only three percent of you read books - and only fifteen percent of you read newspapers - but right now there is a whole and entire generation that didn't know anything that didn't come out of this tube." - Howard Beale

    by Audible Nectar on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:34:45 AM PDT

  •  When and where (7+ / 0-)

    Will this ad air??

    Good ad!!!

  •  Hot Diggity (9+ / 0-)

    I love me some Bill Clinton!!!

     That is all.

    •  Lovely video! (1+ / 0-)
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      "Mr. President two times and left office running a surplus!"

      ...For about 10 years, I thought Carville was smart to escalate the candidate to become our president.

      And then I began to learn.

      Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, are very brilliant people.

      Let's do another 8 years of "President Clinton".

      This nation NEEDS it!

      What is this I hear of sorrow and weariness, Anger, discontent and drooping hopes... Life is too strong for you-- It takes life to love Life

      by Nebraska68847Dem on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 08:40:33 AM PDT

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  •  Should be a TV ad in Ohio and Florida (3+ / 0-)
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    Maverick80229, pico3, bear83

    2 minutes yes. Expensive yes. But it's Bill effin Clinton, I think people might actually watch the entire 2 minutes.

  •  Nice but...vouchers (2+ / 0-)
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    blue jersey mom, Maverick80229

    Im starting to feel like people don't really give a crap about the tax plan stuff. Yeah, Romney is a liar and this plan is ridiculous. But we need to be doing more on the vouchers to replace Medicare. It is frightening and effective and I can't for the life of me figure out why this hasn't been a focus lately, especially with Ryan on the ticket.

    •  Medicare and women. (0+ / 0-)

      It appears that's waht and who is going to decide the election, if we are to win.  Messaging should be focused there at this point.  I would suspect that the Obama campaign has internals of what phrases and issues are most important in the swing states, particularly OH, and he'll pivot to those tonight.

      "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

      by Pierro Sraffa on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:43:44 AM PDT

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    •  People evidently like to be lied to about tax cuts (3+ / 0-)
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      vcmvo2, sethtriggs, exreaganite

      I agree, I was just thinking the same thing this morning.  Remember Walter Mondale saying about Reagan, something like "he won't be honest with you, but I will, We are going to have to raise taxes."  That didn't work too well.  After the election, polling showed that people didn't believe Reagan on taxes, but still voted for him -- I guess because his heart was in the right place.  Turned out, to the surprise of many, that Reagan believed his own BS, and pushed through a big tax cut, and then when the deficit exploded, had to do a series of tax increases.  And at the same time, he had that needless defense buildup.  Romney seems to be trying to deliberately follow the Reagan formula.

      •  The problem (0+ / 0-)

        is that far too many Americans, with a vote suffer from

        1. numeracy deficit
        2. attention deficit
        3. memory deficit
        4. reality deficit.

        Bill can explain all he likes, to the people that, god help us, MATTER in this, it till sounds like a fly buzzing on a summer afternoon.

        The FACTS no longer matter in American, or probably any other country's, politics. We live in a world where the reality of the problems and predicaments is so vast that nobody can contemplate them honestly and stay in their right minds.

        So the whole political process becomes the sale of the "best" fantasy. However you measure "best". And those already out of their minds make the final arbitration.

        RMoney's one is the fastest trip to the dumpster. The Dems have the brakes on a bit and the wheel pulled over, but until someone recognises the scale of the disaster we face and the reality of the hard, fucking hard actions that will take place, whether we choose them or not, the game is still musical deck chairs on the Titanic.

        That said, I can still hope that the Dems get all three branches and the balls to do something real about it.

        I might even start taking lotto tickets, I'm guessing they have the same chances.

        Until inauguration day The USA is in the greatest danger it has ever experienced.

        by Deep Dark on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 11:05:59 AM PDT

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  •  Obama....release the Clinton!!! (3+ / 0-)
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    rbird, vcmvo2, klamothe

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:44:43 AM PDT

  •  "Arithmetic - Not Illusion" (5+ / 0-)
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    bear83, vcmvo2, elmo, TheLizardKing, Shippo1776

    Obama-Biden 2012!

    "We don't have village idiots any more; we have Republicans." - Positronicus

    by Maverick80229 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:45:19 AM PDT

  •  Bill on the front page twice this morning (1+ / 0-)
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    The video is that good?

  •  Bill has never looked or sounded (6+ / 0-)
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    Sybil Liberty, rbird, Bear, vcmvo2, Livvy5, davelf2

    better in his life.  

    I never thought I'd hear myself say this.  Back in my much more self-righteous days I voted third party because I was so disgusted by his first term:  Bill, long may you live.

    He really should be made the Secretary of Explaining Things.

    I am positive we are going to see an Obama who has taken a leaf from Bill's book tonight.  Our Prez may be a lot of things, but slow isn't one of them.

    Come on, Mr. President.  Take it to them!!!!!

    "Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it." -- Stolen from homogenius, who in turn stole it from a coffee mug.

    by Mother of Zeus on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:46:47 AM PDT

  •  My dad is probably in the top 3% (15+ / 0-)

    He loves to torture his rich republican friends by telling them that he took the money he saved under Bush's tax cuts and gave it to Obama.  

    It's not easy being a Floridian: PS I'm a lawYER now; no longer a lawSTUDENT.

    by lawstudent922 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:47:07 AM PDT

  •  Supply side Trickle down - "Wimpy" economics (0+ / 0-)

    "For a hamburger today, I'll gladly pay you Tuesday."

    They get tax cuts, everyone-else gets the bill - until we, too, are broke. Simple -  been this way since Reagan and it doesn't take a genius to understand it.

  •  The Secretary of Explaining Shit (5+ / 0-)
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    SaintCog, bear83, rbird, vcmvo2, sethtriggs

    is wise, indeed.

    "I chose to change facts, reality, and the meaning of words, in order to make a much larger point." - Paul Ryan John Oliver

    by SC Lib on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:53:39 AM PDT

  •  Hey!!! (0+ / 0-)

    That Bill Clinton stole my sig line!!!

    Liberal = We're all in this together
    Conservative = Every man for himself
    Who you gonna call?

    S'okay, charge.....just keep hammerin' 'em on it....

  •  Great video, plus look at Romney's "6 studies" (6+ / 0-)

    There's only 2, the rest are blog posts or comments, and they say the same thing - that the Tax Policy Center didn't consider all potential sources to fill the gap between the 4.8 trillion lost in cutting rates and eliminating deductions, exemptions, etc.

    No, they didn't, because these decisions aren't made in a vacuum.  For example, let's look at the Heritage Institute's "study" - they note 3 possible sources of revenue:

    - Interest on life insurance could be taxed:  sure it could, and all those rich folks will just leave their money in the same investment vehicle, even though now it's taxed. No, they won't, this would simply reduce the use of life insurance as an investment vehicle and no tax revenue would be gained.

    - Interest on municipal bonds could be taxed:  Hoo boy! Yes, let's blow up the municipal bond market. And, in making them taxable, the bonds would now need to pay a higher interest rate to compensate - so you just increased all state and local gov't borrowing costs by 20%. Ridiculous

    - Step up basis on inheritance could be eliminated.  Yes, this is my favorite. See, back when Bush set the estate tax to be eliminated, this is how he initially paid for it.  When the estate tax was eliminated, along with it would go the step up basis for estate inheritance.  So, your parents house that they paid $50K for that is now worth $350K - when they die you would no longer inherit at $350K, you'd keep their basis, so when you sold the house, you'd have a $300K capital gain. Oh, and in many cases, since you very well might have to sell in the first year of owning it - you'd pay the higher capital gains rate.

    If you eliminate step-up basis on inheritance, all this does is hurt the middle class, who now have to pay capital gains tax on everything they inherit, there's no more exemption threshold like there is now.  So, indeed, the middle class winds up paying for the 20% tax cut for the rich.

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 06:57:45 AM PDT

    •  not only that (0+ / 0-)

      but one of those studies had to assume ALL deductions for people making more than $100,000 would have to be eliminated just for the numbers to work.

      So much for not raising taxes on the middle class, eh?

  •  God could explain the numbers.. (5+ / 0-)
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    bear83, J M F, Hope08, lgmcp, Deep Dark

    And it wouldn't change a republican's mind. They could care less about facts. That's the problem we're up against.

    •  And even people who know it's a big lie (1+ / 0-)
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      Deep Dark

      are sucked into the "all politicians lie" trap.   They may see the deception, but they rationalize it with a false equivalency.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 08:19:17 AM PDT

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  •  20 Percent Tax Cut! (1+ / 0-)
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    Deep Dark

    Thats what people are hearing. i believe it has more to do with the surge than the Presidents debate performance.

    •  "Something For Nothing." (1+ / 0-)
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      Deep Dark

      A very difficult to refuse, chocolate covered carrot.

      "Because only three percent of you read books - and only fifteen percent of you read newspapers - but right now there is a whole and entire generation that didn't know anything that didn't come out of this tube." - Howard Beale

      by Audible Nectar on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 08:27:15 AM PDT

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  •  How Romney profitted from 9/11: (2+ / 0-)
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    bear83, Southern Bell


    by keeplaughing on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 07:01:40 AM PDT

  •  At this point it's down to Samuel L. Jackson. (2+ / 0-)
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    elmo, Deep Dark

    I mean, what policy or proposal has Romney presented that serious people haven't debunked and refuted?
    Instead it's the gotcha moment, body language, the horse race. Pure style over substance, game show slapstick for the soulless punditry.
    I keep thinking people will wake up. Something about the better angels of our nature. After all, this is only about the leader of the free world, the most powerful nation on earth. Surely, people will get that there is, I don't know, a difference between one of the worst grifters American politics has ever seen, and President Obama.  

    •  You forget (1+ / 0-)
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      Deep Dark

      that this is the country that not only (sort of) elected the idiot W, but also re-elected him.

      But that last part should also give us confidence -- most people will stick with the tried and true for a second go-round. This is Obama's ultimate advantage.

      2012 GOP Platform: "I've Got Mine, Jack."

      by Yankee Patriot on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 08:18:49 AM PDT

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  •  There is a gamer expression... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...."Be the Boss."  It has nothing whatsoever to do with bosses and corporate executives.  It's the boss in a game's final boss fight - the biggest, baddest opponent in the game.

    So when I say:

    Be the Boss?  Clinton IS the Boss.
    You'll know what I mean.  The guy has skillz.  He is The Master Explainer.

    Please feel free to HR me for my informative and argumentative nature. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

    by rbird on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 07:06:22 AM PDT

  •  the secretary of explaining (1+ / 0-)
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    stuff (aka the big dog) tells it like it is, the gop thinks its getting hell but its really just telling the american voter the truth, as a previous pres said so well.

  •  As great as Clinton is in this video (1+ / 0-)
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    the explanation is still a little long-winded and too complex for the low-information swing voter.  Let's simplify:

    1.  Romney wants to cut income taxes for the wealthy by 20%.  Romney cannot deny this.
    2.  Romney will not name any specific loopholes and deductions that we would eliminate to pay for this tax cut.
    3.  There are not enough tax loopholes and deductions for the wealthy that Romney could eliminate in order to pay for this tax cut.
    4.  Eliminating middle class tax breaks such as the mortgage interest deduction and health insurance premium deduction would be required in order to make up for the lost revenue, but even that would come up short in paying for the tax cut.  So Romney would have to raise taxes on the middle class substantially in order to pay for his tax cut for the wealthy, and then hope that the remaining difference is somehow made up for magically.

    •  I can hear Romney pulling his "that simply (1+ / 0-)
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      isn't true" shit tonight.  I really hope Team Obama has given him an effective way to counter this tactic because it will be his last chance to do so.

      If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

      by livjack on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 07:33:23 AM PDT

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      •  Bald-faced denial IS a bit of a challenge (0+ / 0-)

        If you're not going to sink to playground name-calling, which will never be Obama's style, then I guess laughing and eye-rolling like Biden is about what's left.  

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 08:23:09 AM PDT

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    •  That's still a lot of words. (1+ / 0-)
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      Bottom line, when Romney says "That simply isn't true", he's telling a whopper.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 08:21:25 AM PDT

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  •  Some parts of this only ADD to the confusion (1+ / 0-)
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    There are slippages in which "taxes" and "tax cuts" are accidentally substituted for each other, causing logical chaos:

    On the slide that says "THEN REMOVE," we get the following:

    Alternative Minimum Tax
    High Income Medicare Tax
    Estate Tax
    Corporate Tax Cut

    So is a corporate tax cut being given or "removed"?  That last item does not logically fit with the other three.

    Later Clinton  talks about "raising tax cuts on the middle class."   Surely he means "raising taxes on the middle class." That's an unfortunate slip of the tongue that only muddies the water more.

    Dulce bellum inexpertis [War is sweet only to those who have no experience of it].

    by Fatherflot on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 07:15:04 AM PDT

  •  When the polling showed that Obama was ahead, (2+ / 0-)
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    vcmvo2, lgmcp

    I was happy, elated, but a bit skeptical.  I just couldn't believe that this would be easy.  But then I thought, why?  Just taking a look at his time in office:  on domestic policy, the economy is recovering from the deepest recession since the great depression; on foreign policy, he got bin laden.  Any other incumbent with just these two things on his record would win.  Then look at his opponents, two heartless, unlikeable liars.  Why shouldn't this be a landslide?  But after TWO Bush terms, I have lost a lot of faith in the American voting populace.  The polling now just confirms that my lack of faith may be justified.  And don't tell me it's because of the debates.  Bush v. Kerry--Kerry wiped the floor with Bush.  Bush looked like a complete, lost, blubbering idiot.  Even in the first debate, you can say Obama looked disengaged, tired, etc., but you couldn't call him incompetent.  But the reaction to Obama's debate performance v. Bush debate performance is profoundly different.  People are much harsher on Obama.  That is why, even thoug Bush won, I'm not so sure it will turn out the same here.  I hope it does, and I'm still fighting for Obama.  But if Obama isn't reelected, it's the American electorate that is at fault, not his debate performance.  We are responsible for the leadership we choose.

  •  This Clinton ad is poorly done, poorly edited (0+ / 0-)

    The word graphics don't match the audio.

    Most people don't understand the idea of "paying for" tax cuts.  They won't get that you need to pay for taking less money.

    This won't help them get that concept.

    Also, this is all wrong:

    "raise tax cuts on the middle income people" is what Clinton says at 1:23 and it makes no sense.  He meant to say, we assume, "raise taxes" or "reduce tax cuts"... but what he says about "raising tax cuts" is incoherent.   That section should be edited out.

    The final close is very strong... but the thread of logic and persuasion is very weak.  

    Someone needs to rework this baby.

  •  Obama should tell the audience how Romney's (0+ / 0-)

    plan would change his own taxes. If he's anything like President Clinton, Obama will probably get a tax cut under Romney's plan. Yet Romney wants people to believe that such is not the case.

    It's a simple talking point that I think most people can understand.

  •  Lookin' good (0+ / 0-)

    Not for nuthin', and as I guy, I gotta say Mr. Clinton is looking too good!  Hell, he looks better than when he left office.

  •  Online Ad = fucking worthless (0+ / 0-)

    Come on OFA.  

    Keep Calm and Carry On. But kick some unholy ass if the situation warrants.

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 08:17:37 AM PDT

  •  Clinton in Ohio? (1+ / 0-)
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    Good video.  Vintage Clinton.  Boil something that can be complex down into just one or two simple sentences.  Are they going to have Clinton campagin in Ohio any time soon.  I think too many folks are overconfident about winning Ohio and therefore winning the election.  Pres. Obama has maintained a consistent lead, but it has definitely shrunk, and I for one am certainly not as confident about it as I was.

    •  "You're going to pay more (0+ / 0-)

      so Mitt Romney can pay even less.  That's his plan.  That's the arithmetic."



      Keep Calm and Carry On. But kick some unholy ass if the situation warrants.

      by GOPGO2H3LL on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 08:24:35 AM PDT

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  •  My fire wall (0+ / 0-)

    is still keeping me safe from all the fun.


    Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

    by delphine on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 09:44:09 AM PDT

  •  If only he were a decade younger (0+ / 0-)

    He would have a lock on the next Supreme Court nomination if President Obama were to be re-elected.

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 at 10:35:23 AM PDT

  •  arithmetic over Illusion (0+ / 0-)

    says Clinton

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