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And Romney and Ryan support Mourdock,
even if they have to pretend to disagree
on God-supported rape.
The basic conventional wisdom about Mitt Romney's refusal to answer questions about Richard Mourdock's view that pregnancies resulting from rape are "something that God intended" is that this whole thing represents a dilemma for Romney:
If Mr. Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, does not distance himself enough from Mr. Mourdock, he could find it harder to narrow his deficit with women — but if he distances himself too much, he could turn off some of the evangelical voters whose turnout will be crucial if he is to carry swing states like Iowa and Ohio.
Welcome to Mitt Romney's campaign! That's the entire game plan, isn't it? Try not to piss off the far-right base while not publicly embracing far-right positions that would alienate just about everyone else? Romney's got a lot of experience at this by now.

It's not just Romney, either. The entire Republican Party has relied on this balance for years. The Republican platform may contain a slightly more politic version of what Mourdock said, and the sentiment may have been expressed by dozens of other Republican elected officials and candidates, but outside the reddest of the red areas, they try to hide that fact from voters.

Yeah, it's a dilemma for Romney. But only because people are noticing the unpopular ideas his party embraces, not because the ideas or his refusal to distance himself too far from them are anything new.

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Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:54 AM PDT.

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  •  I'm thinking that this would be a really good time (10+ / 0-)

    for Harry Reid to step up and make another comment
    about mittens not paying any taxes.

    Just to keep things interesting.

  •  Yes,Romney has experience in (7+ / 0-)

    running away. But how far can he run when both Mourdock and Vice Presidential candidate,Paul Ryan think that a pregnancy that resulted from rape,must be carried to term?
    Now,Mourdock is a fellow GOPer that Romney endorses.But Ryan is the person Romney chose to be his VP....just a heartbeat away

    "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

    by tardis10 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:03:53 PM PDT

  •  The man is the consummate coward (3+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, Im with Rosey, SteelerGrrl

    There is nothing or no one to which/whom he will commit -- and I include his wife, children and grandchildren.  If he thought divorce would earn him an extra 10 dollars, he'd divorce Ann in a heartbeat.

    The word, dilemma, made me think of G.B. Shaw's The Doctor's Dilemma (Shaw's tragi-comic view of Great Britain's medical system at the time).  Shorter than cliff notes -- a doctor decides to compromise the health and life of a man because the man is an asshole and the doctor has the hots for his wife.  The doctor justifies referring the asshole to another doctor whose remedy is quackery and kills the guy because the dead guy is an asshole and the wife should be spared that realization and the doctor has a shot at her.  

    That is Romney -- self-involved and every thing in the universe must reflect his personal pleasure even if someone else suffers.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:05:59 PM PDT

  •  Why wouldn't (1+ / 0-)
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    the far right allow Romney to tack to the center like they have with every other issue? I guess abortion is a step too far. It's like admitting that you don't believe in God.

  •  Whatever happens... (1+ / 0-)
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    it'll be what God intended.

  •  I'm enjoying the NEW Mitt Romney (3+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, tardis10, TerryDarc

    The latest campaign tactic, apparently, is to say absolutely nothing. Certainly, there's nothing at all being said of any substance, and this started right after the second Presidential Debate.

    In the third debate, Mitt might as well have been a high-school junior trying to copy essay answers for his SAT. Say nothing, and try to sound smart while doing it. Now, on the rape issue, nothing.

    The man, in the end, is nothing. And around 10pm on Nov. 6, he'll have earned his rightful place on the trash-heap of history. Sarah Palin actually matters more than this clown right now, because for all of her idiocy (and goodness, there's a lot of that), at least she has the courage to actually say stuff.

  •  Peace is at hand (now with even more honor) (1+ / 0-)
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    The entire Republican Party has relied on this balance for years.

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 01:41:46 PM PDT

  •  Laura-PLEASE EXPAND the list! (1+ / 0-)
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    I keep begging for this. These three great women Senate candidates are going to win. I am much more concerned about the House. PLease give us more women in CLOSE races or also men and also more support for close Senate races like Arizona, Nevada, North Dakota, Montana. We could win all of these with some coordinated help! We are running out of time. I don't want more years of Boner and Lyin'!

    I am pro-life. Bring our troops home ALIVE!

    by Doc Allen on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 01:42:44 PM PDT

  •  The assumption is sick (not blaiming the diarist) (1+ / 0-)
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    he could turn off some of the evangelical voters whose turnout will be crucial if he is to carry swing states like Iowa and Ohio.
    Sorry, but I refuse to believe that even Evangelicals truly believe that rape pregnancies are something that God intended.

    This country would be going to a very dark place indeed if that were so.   I believe that it is a moral dilemma for the anti-abortionists that they chose to paper over or ignore as much as possible, not that they truly think that God wants raped women to become pregnant.

    Note, I'm making a general point here not attacking the diarist.   Romney is showing a distinct lack of leadership on this issue and it needs to be pointed out.   We cannot let this issue open the so-called Overton window.   All Americans are against rape.

    •  pulling at a loose thread (2+ / 0-)
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      annan, SteelerGrrl

      Sadly, you might be giving the fundigelicals a bit too much credit.  If one holds the basic tenant  that what happens in this world is "God's" will, then once exceptions are made, the whole thing becomes unstable.  This aspect of the belief structure is an intrinsic flaw, and one that believers have to avoid at all costs, least they fall into a massive reevaluation aka crisis of faith.

      Again, sadly, I don't think that "all" Americans are against rape.  Most are, but those of us so invested in a faulty mindset are prepared to throw up their hands and concoct some variation of the "mysterious ways" explanation.

      "when you believe in things you don't understand, then you suffer"  - S. Wonder

  •  i see where (1+ / 0-)
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    john mccain returned to his maverick act for a few hours but after a scolding from the zealots in charge of the gop talking points he walked back to being just another gop hater of women and their self determination rights.

  •  My prediction (1+ / 0-)
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    Romney will make some vague statement about how Mourock's rape comment "does not represent my views" so as to feign concern.  

    The next day, his campaign will send out a press release announcing that Romney shares Mourdock's views on rape.

    Just sayin'.  

    •  Or "Not the way I would have said it" (0+ / 0-)

      As in the non-statement after Limpdick called Sandra Fluke a slut.

      Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

      by TerryDarc on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 02:19:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Say what you will, (1+ / 0-)
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    in many ways there's no thrill like the thrill of seeing conservatives eat their own dead.

    Can't you understand?  . . . Because fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy, and needs feeding.
     -Jerome Lawrence, Inherit the Wind.
  •  I think the Republican base (0+ / 0-)

    has let Romney offf their leash.  If that were not the case, it seems to me that they would have gone ballistic after what he said during the debates.  (Leaving Afghanistan?  Supporting Obama's foreign policy?  Not reducing the tax burden on the rich?  Yet there was no outcry from the GOP base for any of these apostacies.)  I think the base will let Romney say whatever he has to say to get elected.  I think they've taken Grover Norquist's attitude that Romeny is not going to be their leader, but their rubber stamp for whatever Republicans in Congress manage to pass.

    As such, I think Romney would probably be safe to distance himself from Mourdock, so I'm a bit puzzled as to why he doesn't.

    -5.13,-5.64; If you gave [Jerry Falwell] an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox. -- Christopher Hitchens

    by gizmo59 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 01:52:13 PM PDT

  •  Shouldn't be ... (2+ / 0-)
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    annan, mchestnutjr

    ... a problem for Mitt.  He can use one of his faces, with the scowl, to growl out "I deplore Mourdock," while he uses his other face, with the simpy smile, to at the same time proclaim "I adore Mourdock."  And he'd get accolades from the MSM for forthrightly addressing the issue.

  •  does anyone think this will hurt romney (1+ / 0-)
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    sometimes when i hear a story about romney I think this will be the final end of his campaign, only to see a poll a few days later with romney up it it.
    slate had a story telling us about romney having a god day today
    i have lost a lot of faith in america.

    "With malice toward none, with charity for all..." -Abraham Lincoln not a modern republican

    by live1 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 01:58:42 PM PDT

  •  Why is everyone surprised? (0+ / 0-)

    Since 2010, the 'pub party has been run by a bunch of religious extremists bent on forcing their ignorant, bigoted views on the rest of us.  Nothing - NOTHING - Mourdock or Akin said is contrary to the stated position of their party and the overwhelming number of 'pub officeholders at the federal, state, and local levels.  When are people going to wake up and realize this?

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 02:02:59 PM PDT

  •  Of all things to discuss, why do we give a shit (0+ / 0-)

    about what Mittens thinks about Mourdock?  

    Mourdock thinks all life is sacred, even that caused by a rape, and that this life is "part of God's plan".   Not too far out, as far as right to lifers are concerned. The general public (as opposed to about 30% of kossacks), could give a rat's ass about Mourdock.  They don't even know what a "Mourdock" is. If this is what we are focusing on now, we have lost all focus.  Trying to make this the story is a Jedi mind trick that won't work.  


    Intolerance betrays want of faith in one's cause. - Gandhi

    by SpamNunn on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 02:03:07 PM PDT

    •  We in Indiana are grateful for having the national (1+ / 0-)
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      spotlight on our home-grown Morlock, who may well lose in a state that is otherwise giving Republicans ten point leads. You should also be grateful that Democrats in swing states now have another hammer to use in anti-Romney ads, which appeared in less than a day.

      Rachel Maddow had great fun with this yesterday, calling it a self-inflicted October Surprise for the Republicans.

      America—We built that!

      by Mokurai on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 02:21:23 PM PDT

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    •  I care to the extent that: (1+ / 0-)
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      a) Mourdock might take up a seat in the senate that Joe Donnelly might more profitably for America occupy and

      b) It might be used to tar Mitt Romney's campaign and

      c) it's part of a general attack on women. I don't see any profit in letting that kind of crap stand. Imagine if people took to the street?

      Time is an enormous, long river, and I’m standing in it, just as you’re standing in it. My elders are the tributaries, and everything they thought and every struggle they went through & everything they gave their lives to flows down to me-Utah Phillips

      by TerryDarc on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 02:23:23 PM PDT

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      •  men should be aware... (0+ / 0-)

        men should be aware that if Romney wins and they gets a woman pregnant, they'll have to pay TONS of money for child support for 18 years.

        Women's body issues definitely effect men through the pocket book.

        I'm surprised not one ad or commenter on the left mentions this.

        Obama should use the child support in an ad for sexually active men...

  •  Chrystal Ball (0+ / 0-)

    just questioned a poll showing that women are 47%-47% for both the President and  mitch " teflon con" romney. I don't see how any "normal" female could vote for any republican after the barage of mullah like positions by these GOpees. My only explanationg if those numbers are really true, is that this is an over representation of southern repugs. That poll also had men split evenly for The Pres' and the "teflon con" himself. I think it was gallup?

    I hope they continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Even if the "teflon con" continues to run from the press, this latest disaster in Indiana has gotten nation wide exposure, and will inflict some damage.


    by longtimelurker on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 02:06:58 PM PDT

  •  Gee, I wonder what Mitt thinks about the death (0+ / 0-)

    penalty for rebellious children?

  •  Is it just me or does anyone else think that (0+ / 0-)

    Mourdock looks like a young Emperor Palpatine?  Same eyes...facial features...wants to be a Senator...

    If he calls the Zombie Eyes Granny Starver "my young Apprentice" I'm moving to  Australia.  

    A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

    by jo fish on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 05:01:58 PM PDT

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