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Georgia isn't going to turn blue this year, that much is pretty certain.

But one of these upcoming elections it might very well be the next North Carolina -- an otherwise red state with a very large urban area that makes it competitive.

That's one of the reasons why President Obama ought to make a stop in Atlanta before the election.

But there are two others, as you can check out below the orange thing.

1. Early voting is under way in Georgia. A presidential visit would be a good way to highlight this very important -- in fact, vital -- aspect of the national campaign.

Boosting early voting totals in a place like Georgia would reverberate elsewhere. If Democratic voters in Atlanta -- in a state that will likely vote for Romney -- are fired up enough to go to the polls early, then what excuse does everyone else have?

2. It's a symbolic gesture that boosts confidence in the base -- and God knows the base needs to be constantly reassured. It says this -- we are so certain of victory in Ohio that we can take a day away from there to go to Atlanta.

And seriously -- is anything going to be changed in Ohio if Obama spends one less day there? A Georgia visit would likely get much more news coverage than yet another Ohio rally.

It's not the same thing as Bush campaigning in California at the end of the 2000 campaign. That was atmospherics orchestrated by Karl Rove -- and rather transparent at that. A Georgia visit would be with the express purpose of boosting early voting.

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  •  Waste of time. GA is a deep red state (2+ / 0-)
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    Chitown Kev, Delilah

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 10:14:23 AM PDT

    •  Boosting early voting is not a waste of time (0+ / 0-)

      It's what will make the difference in this election.

      Going to Atlanta won't win Georgia's electoral votes, but it will highlight the need to vote early.

      •  it is a waste of time (2+ / 0-)
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        Be Skeptical, Delilah

        With only 10 days to go and the election being so close, it is a waste of time to visit a state he has no chance winning.

        It's Always Darkest Before the Dawn

        by Friar on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 10:24:00 AM PDT

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      •  How will early voting make a difference? (0+ / 0-)

        Early voters are made up almost entirely of people who were extremely likely to vote anyway.  They don't even change overall turnout much.

        Anyhow, this year Georgia is hopeless as far as the presidential race goes.  There are a lot of impt local elections, as there are in most states.  The GA Democratic Party appears to be doing a good job at reviving Democrats as a force in the state.  

        I am though bewildered as to why the local Obama offices are still charging $15 apiece for Obama-Biden yard signs.  That's just plain stupid.  

      •  Based on that, he should come to Texas then (1+ / 0-)
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        Delilah

        because we have early voting.

        And I don't believe that President Obama should come to Texas.

        Barack Obama for President '12

        by v2aggie2 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 11:34:56 AM PDT

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        •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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          v2aggie2

          I would wonder if they Axe and Plouffe lost their minds if they were in Texas or Georgia.

          I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

          by Delilah on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 11:49:22 AM PDT

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    •  And Georgia is not 'deep' red (1+ / 0-)
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      sebastianguy99

      McCain only carried it by five points in 2008.

      •  Not deep red, but solid red at this point. (1+ / 0-)
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        Delilah

        -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

        by dopper0189 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 11:00:37 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah so solidly red that President Obama has (2+ / 0-)
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          alain2112, arabian

          ...raised a lot of money on trips to the state. Not only that, he has many offices around the state that have continue to work and build party infrastructure in the state.

          There is a reason why Team Obama has continued to invest in the state and it isn't because they believe it is beyond capture for the next nominee.

          I grew up in the state so I am biased. I still believe that Georgia was a better target due to demographics than North Carolina but was more expensive.

          The party gave up on the state after Clinton's loss. That was a big mistake. Hopefully the Democratic Party will never nominate someone who cannot compete in electoral vote-rich states in every region.

          "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

          by sebastianguy99 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 12:57:16 PM PDT

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    •  Not all that red (5+ / 0-)

      Atlanta leans Democratic and isn't conservative.

      Then there's also Athens, GA where my friend from Berkeley lives.  It's VERY liberal, comparable to Berkeley.

      Georgia isn't Oklahoma.

    •  While Obama only lost GA by a few % points (2+ / 0-)
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      Be Skeptical, v2aggie2

      The fact is that it is still solidly Republican for 2012 and any time or resources spent there rather than OHIO OHIO OHIO, or Virginia, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, is a waste.  I am not interested in making some kind of point. We are winning on the EV map -- but by only a few percentage points in several key states.  We need to be locking that down... not chasing butterflies in states that will not be blue in this cycle.  Stay focused people.

      I vote Democratic because I am a woman with self-respect , who rejects bigotry of all kinds, subscribes to science, believes in universal health care, embraces unions, and endorses smart internationalist foreign policy.

      by Delilah on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 11:48:27 AM PDT

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  •  Clinton would be good there (4+ / 0-)
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    quaoar, roycej, dopper0189, SherwoodB

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 10:27:09 AM PDT

  •  W Bush went to CA late in 2000 and (1+ / 0-)
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    dopper0189

    it almost (should have) cost him the election.

    Now is not the time to plant seeds for 2020.

    Now is the time to make sure we win Ohio.

  •  If Obama were going to do this (0+ / 0-)

    I'm already on the record as thinking he should go to Arizona. (and I don't think he should at this pt....if the president had a better first debate, I'd have suggested making a play for it)

  •  I feel for you, I'm in a red state too. (2+ / 0-)
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    Be Skeptical, v2aggie2

    But, I want President Obama and VP Biden to be in places the next 10 days where it will impact the national race.  At every rally, people will drag an uncommitted spouse, parent, sibling or friend to see the Pres or VP.  The enthusiasm they feel from the crowd, the words spoken by the President/VP, and perhaps some personal contact with the Pres or VP may sway the voters who will deliver Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, and the other battleground states.  A broader "vote early" message is appropriate for earlier in a campaign, not near the end.

  •  The issue with Georgia is there aren't enough (0+ / 0-)

    white liberals. In 2008 Obama did better with South Carolina whites than he did with Georgian whites! In fact if he had done as well with whites in GA as he did with SC he would have won the state!

    Georgia is more like TX than it is like Florida or NC. The white voters in the Appalachia (North) and Southern Georgia vote more like Alabama. In North Carolina the Research Triangle and Banking industry brought in a lot of white liberal/moderates. In Florida you have more Jews, white Catholics, and Latinos.

    Georgia is 10% Latino so in time their vote will be more equal to their population numbers. Because GA's black vote is already 29-31% this will soon be enough to tip the state. But soon is 2 more election cycles not now. North Carolina is more important at this point.

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

    by dopper0189 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 10:59:24 AM PDT

    •  Plenty of white liberals in ATL (1+ / 0-)
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      sebastianguy99

      same in Savannah and Athens.  You're certainly correct about north GA and the flat lands.  We live in a mostly white but overwhelmingly Democratic area ourselves.  (Of course, the voting data was one reason I chose it).  

      Obama did get 47% of the vote statewide in 2008.  Where did you get those white vote numbers for GA vs SC?

      2010 census had Latinos at 8.8%.  However, I'm sure it's way less than 5% for age 18+ eligible voters.

      That will change though.  Maybe by 2020 GA may go blue.

      •  "How Obama won by Chuck Todd" has all the (1+ / 0-)
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        Be Skeptical

        post 2008 election results and polls. Obama won 23% of whites in GA in 2008. He won 25% of GA whites with a college degree. In SC Obama won 32% of college degreed whites, in NC he won 38% of whites with a college degree. Whites with a college degree is a good proxy for white liberals ( I admit I don't have those numbers).

        Obama got 47% of the GA vote by winning 98% of blacks  (30% of the electorate), 70% of Latinos (3%) and 23% of whites (65%) of the electorate. To compare Obama won 39% of whites in Virginia and 35% of whites in North Carolina.

        Georgia has a larger minority population than VA or NC but like I wrote there aren't enough white liberals. As it continues to urbanize it will get there, but I agree Democrat need to continue to build there. Part of the reason Obama has field offices in GA and in Arizona is about the future. It's also why he won't give up on North Carolina.

        -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)!

        by dopper0189 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 06:43:05 PM PDT

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  •  Georgia is right next to Florida people (0+ / 0-)

    A state down from North Carolina. He has to fly over/close to Georgia anyway so it is not out of his way.

    Don't let Honey Boo-Boo fool y'all (though ironically those are the kind of votes that we should get our share of). The state isn't overrunned by malicious stereotypes that some Progressives love to feel superior to.

    Spending a few hours in the state isn't going to turn it blue this cycle. Spending a few in the state isn't going to lose him the election. Spending a few hours in some of the field offices he has maintained, or at a couple of campuses around the state is not a waste of time as it helps smooth the path for the next nominee.

    Mayor Reed (one of the better surrogates) was right when he said that Georgia wanted to be more than an Obama ATM.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:17:39 PM PDT

  •  How much does a candidate visit move polls? (0+ / 0-)

    or get actual votes?  I keep reading that conventional wisdom is that the side with the superior ground game can make up 2 points in an election if their ground game really is much better than the opponent.  (there are debates as to whether Obama really has a better ground game but that is not germane to my comment)

    If Obama goes to OH or WI or GA - his remarks will be covered on CNN no matter what (GA may get more coverage because it could be seen as putting a state in play).  Similar to if he goes to Phoenix or Billings.  But what is the actual benefit?

    Most video games will move a candidate up based on where he/she campaigns, but how much of that is because the game needs to give you something to do, vs actual movement?

    -F

    Democrats *do* have a plan for Social Security - it's called Social Security. -- Ed Schultz

    by FredFred on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 01:59:10 PM PDT

  •  I live in Atlanta suburbs (1+ / 0-)
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    Be Skeptical

    Jesus Christ, the Ryan/Romney signs outnumber the Obama signs by, oh, I don't know 100 to 1?  Granted, I think many white liberals here are nervous about professing their support of O in this lily white town.

    2016?  Maybe our candidate can make a visit.  This year?  I have to agree that it is a waste of time when so many other states are winnable.  Georgia just isn't.

    Believe me, I dream of the day when the GOP has to sweat getting Georgia.

    •  Obama signs MIA in GA (0+ / 0-)

      I made the following comment on another diary a few minutes ago.  It  is pertinent here.
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      Last election in our neighborhood, there were probably four Obama signs to every one McCain sign.  By election day, Obama signs were everywhere.    It helped build a palpable sense of excitement and enthusiasm.

      This is near Atlanta in a mostly white area, but with many Democrats.  It was a pleasure to recognize many of our neighbors were Southern Whites for Obama (though admittedly may were born elsewhere, but still,  they were OUT).  It also really helped getting people to volunteer, in passing out info, etc. etc.  It's a step toward making a public commitment.

      This time, though, things are different.  A number of Romney signs went up after the first debate.  The county GOP and the Romney for Pres offices were handing them out by the truckload, and offering to deliver them to households.  

      In sharp contrast, I received no offers of yard signs (or bumper stickers either) from the Obama campaign.  At a Women for Obama rally my wife attended two weeks ago, they wanted people to pay 10 bucks for one at the rally.  

      When we went down the the Atlanta Obama headquarters to pick some up for the neighborhood they wanted us to pay $15 each for them.  Crazy.  I have already donated more than one hundred times that amount to Obama this election and they want to hit me up $15 for each sign I pick up???!!!   If I am balking, what about all those people for whom $15 represents a non-trivial amount?  No wonder it feels grim to be an Obama supporter in Georgia this time (people elsewhere may not realize that Obama got 47% of the GA vote in 2008).

      From the comments above, I sense this was a national "strategy" to turn sign distribution into yet another fund-raiser.

      Insane, and stupid.

  •  Admittedly... (0+ / 0-)

    I voted yes because I live in Georgia, but I don't think it would be a bad idea.

    I did early voting the Thursday before last, and trust me early voting is going like WILDFIRE here.   We started three weeks ago at the main location and the wait was 2-4 hours to vote.  I voted the next week assuming the lines would be down since other satellite voting places were opening.  Nope.  It took me 2 hours to vote.  This week, they opened even more places to vote, and other than running into one woman who lucked out by hitting a lesser-known spot early -- she breezed in and out -- but when she was done with training at that location two hours later, there was a line forming to vote, it's been about 2 hours plus from everywhere I've heard.

    To put this in perspective, I waited in line for 2 hours in 2008 on ELECTION DAY to vote.    Yet, for the three weeks prior to the election so far, early voting has had long lines.   And race may not be the thing, but a lot of African-American and younger people were in line when I went to vote.

    I'm not saying that Georgia will go blue by any stretch of the imagination, but there is a large AA population and it couldn't hurt to start to show more Obama-ness out there to get more people voting potentially.

    We all made this journey for a reason. -- President Barack Obama (February 10, 2007)

    by arabian on Sat Oct 27, 2012 at 02:48:49 PM PDT

  •  Well, he could also go to Arizona, (0+ / 0-)

    Montana and Texas or he could go to a state in which he has a snowball's chance of actually winning.  

    Just go AFTER the election.

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