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With Hurricane Sandy bearing down on the entire east coast, it's worth remembering back to when Mitt Romney was in his severely conservative primary phase. He told CNN's John King during the June 13, 2011 Republican presidential primary debate that federal disaster relief was "immoral" because deficit. Watch:

Here's a transcript of the snip.
KING: What else, Governor Romney? You’ve been a chief executive of a state. I was just in Joplin, Missouri. I’ve been in Mississippi and Louisiana and Tennessee and other communities dealing with whether it’s the tornadoes, the flooding, and worse. FEMA is about to run out of money, and there are some people who say do it on a case-by-case basis and some people who say, you know, maybe we’re learning a lesson here that the states should take on more of this role. How do you deal with something like that?

ROMNEY: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.

Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut—we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep? We should take all of what we’re doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we’re doing that we don’t have to do? And those things we’ve got to stop doing, because we’re borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we’re taking in. We cannot…

KING: Including disaster relief, though?

ROMNEY: We cannot—we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all. [emphasis added]

Severely conservative Mitt also picked severely conservative Paul Ryan for his running mate, the guy who attempted to cut a new disaster aid fund that "budgets help for victims of hurricanes, tornadoes and floods before they occur." Luckily for the entire east coast this week, party leadership nixed that idea.

But what happens with the next monster storm under Romney/Ryan? The Ryan budget, fully embraced by Romney, would make such deep cuts in federal funding that disaster relief would have to be passed on to states and localities. Romney,which is specifically what he is saying should happen in that clip. But funding for states and localities is also so sharply curtailed that they'll be hard pressed to respond to disasters. Which, as he made clear at the debate, is exactly what will force his ultimate goal: privatizing disaster relief.

Huffington Post asked Romney about this issue on Sunday, and a campaign official basically reaffirmed Romney's position that it's all up to the states:

"Gov. Romney wants to ensure states, who are the first responders and are in the best position to aid impacted individuals and communities, have the resources and assistance they need to cope with natural disasters," the Romney official said.
What again does Mitt Romney consider immoral?

There's ongoing discussion of this in The Troubador's diary.

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Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 06:58 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Well now that a disaster is about to strike... (34+ / 0-)

    ...I'm sure Mitt's unwavering stance is that Federal disaster relief is absolutely necessary, and that FEMA is the Most Important Governmental Agency Ever.  Especially in swing states.

    Of course when the sun comes back out, his internal political winds will shift again, and he'll be all for defunding FEMA.  "Disaster relief? What disaster relief? Just look at this sunshine!"

    The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

    by TheOrchid on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:03:12 AM PDT

    •  It's all about the states (31+ / 0-)

      he still says. As if states are in absolutely hunky-dory positions right now to deal with monster storms and the aftermath.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:08:13 AM PDT

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      •  My problem with (9+ / 0-)

        "leave it to the states" arguments is that states do not have identical budgets. For instance, I imagine that New York and Massachusetts would be more financially capable of handling disasters than governments that have less robust infrastructures. There are some states that I could see having a very hard time trying to rebuild. :/

      •  I addressed this topic (and Romney's quote) in (21+ / 0-)

        this diary yesterday.   Coordinating a response to this disaster is way beyond the capabilities of any state.  In the 3 hurricanes that I've experienced, crews coming in from other states were an essential element in restoring power.  Given the likely extent of outages from Sandy, allocating and prioritizing the efforts of outside crews will inevitably require federal involvement.

        As I said yesterday:

        Were foreign terrorists to wreak the kind of havoc that Sandy will wreak in the next few days, no one from either side of the aisle would question the need for a national response, even when it is blue states that will largely bear the brunt.   The fact that nature is wreaking this havoc instead of Al Queda should not change that equation.
        I hope that politics will be set aside and that alleviating massive suffering will be the priority here.  I also think it would be much better for the POTUS and the VP to focus on doing the jobs they were elected to do in the coming days and expecting that doing a good job will enhance their prospects of keeping those jobs.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:22:31 AM PDT

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        •  Too true... (0+ / 0-)

          I live in Australia and while yes the state is the first responder, there is Federal infrastructure in place that allows us to ship in crews from interstate to assist with the current disaster, and a federal disaster relief measure has been in place for years thanks to major floods and bushfires. Right now where I live is quite safe, but the skies every day are filled with smoke from bushfires further south, and there will be firefighting crews and other emergency services from other states and territories helping the NSW boys and girls on the frontline. Why? Because it's too much for even a well equipped state to fight on it's own in a timely manner without the help of other crews. Plus and here's a factor Mr. Romney would never consider, it gives crews from places where the incidents aren't as common a chance to gain the experience necessary to deal with it before it's on their front doorstep and waiting for help to arrive.

          Immoral is refusing to let people assist just because they don't live in the affected area.

      •  No, it's all about profit (16+ / 0-)

        Always remember, the ONLY thing Mitt really cares about is money. If you cut him, he bleeds green (and not in the good, Vulcan, way, either).

        Mitt looks on all pain and suffering by other people as a profit center. Your pain is his profit.

        Like all republican capitalists, he failed econ 101. Sure, throwing a brick through the baker's window creates business for the glazier, but that profit is taken directly from the baker, it is not earned as much as it is merely shifted.

        This is first day of first semester stuff. But Mitt was off bullying kids with long hair or dodging the draft. He missed the basics on this as he did on everything else.

        Of course shifting profits is how Mitt has always made money, otherwise known as stealing it from other people, not by creating anything of value himself. He is a bloodsucking leech and always has been.

        •  Top Commented (1+ / 0-)
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          cocinero

          both for the Vulcan reference, as well as the beautiful, succinct, Econ101 descriptor.

          "But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your enemy. It is like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die." - - Cherokee saying

          by brillig on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 01:11:38 PM PDT

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        •  I wouldn't say he missed the basics at all (0+ / 0-)

          I would say he heard that example of the baker and the glazier and he thought, "Now what is the best way to get money from BOTH of them?  I know! Hire a bunch of thugs to throw bricks, have the baker buy my insurance and the glazier pay for my accurate forecasts of riot trouble spots.  Win win win!"

          In capitalist America, bank robs you!

          by madhaus on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 02:11:07 PM PDT

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      •  Is it the Fair Weather States of America? (5+ / 0-)

        Romney isn't about United.

        I give the Big Bird to those who say Obama lost the debate.

        by 88kathy on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:24:28 AM PDT

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        •  He's all about Citizens United. (3+ / 0-)
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          Except when he isn't.

          President Obama will not be the one to highlight this either.  He's got coordination for the response to do.  Rmoney will be politicizing this through the election, but it will be one-sided.  It will be up to us to get the Trad-med to show how Rmoney again isn't up to dealing with a crisis in any way other than trying to make profits for himself and his friends.

          The other thing that the Republicans tried to do, in addition to all that FEMA budget-cutting, was to try and privatize the weather warning system and cut out funding for satellites to let us know ahead of time when these things are going to happen.  If the Republicans had their way, we'd be back to relying upon ships at sea letting us know when they discovered the hurricane and then having to guess where the storm is going and at what speeds, which failed the country so spectacularly back before the NWS coordinated this (I'm thinking Galveston and Florida Keys storms, and the Long Island Express hurricane in the 1930's is even more a spot-on comparison).  If the Republicans had their way, only those willing to pay for the information would be warned.

          GOTV.

          •  The Net Worth safety net. (2+ / 0-)
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            or
            1% have few needs.

            The only thing the 1% needs now is votes, and soon they won't need those.  After they pack the Supreme Court, no votes necessary.

            I give the Big Bird to those who say Obama lost the debate.

            by 88kathy on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:46:26 AM PDT

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          •  Here's hoping people pay attention... (0+ / 0-)

            to what Obama does in trying to coordinate this, seeing a president react to a natural disaster and how it's handled should amount to the best bit of campaigning a person could do if it weren't for the personal costs involved in this.
            There's state premiers here in Australia who have held their position or lost it many times due to how they responded to a natural disaster.

            I just hope people come through this one ok myself (I have friends and their families in the affected regions), but given the politicking never ends, it could (with Romney's bigotry) aid an Obama win next week

      •  The states are in no position to rescue themselves (0+ / 0-)

        By definition, natural disasters are local.  When you're under water, without power, on fire, reeling from an earthquake, whatever, you are in no position to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.   Relief must come from outside, from those who are not themselves in distress.  That is why we need federal relief.  Duh.

        "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain

        by Patience is Not a Virtue on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 11:14:00 AM PDT

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    •  Another etchasketch moment. (13+ / 0-)

      Government shouldn't be helping disaster victims.
      Everybody for themselves was Romney's true belief until Frankenstorm showed up.

    •  A Romney presidency (8+ / 0-)

      would be a major disaster. Recovery would be difficult. In fact, we are till struggling to recover from the last major disaster, the Bush Administration.

      ...and who, disguised as rambler american, mild mannered commenter for a great Democratic web blog, fights a never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way.

      by rambler american on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:59:08 AM PDT

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    •  Claire McCaskil should run this in MO (5+ / 0-)

      MO received a great deal of assistance from flooding.

      This could be the tipping point for her against Todd 'Legitmate Rape' Akins.

    •  Go home and call 211! (EOM) (3+ / 0-)
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    •  Just when I think Mittens cannot... (7+ / 0-)

      possibly say anything stupider - he does.

      "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

      by Candide08 on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:42:38 AM PDT

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    •  Other Disasters on the Horizon (1+ / 0-)
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      Dearest TheOrchid....For years I have not thought "natural disasters" natural.  Man-made the climate-change crisis.  With Romney in office, I think there is even more to fear. I worry that the United states will be Pottersville and what of our children.  

      Ann Romney sheds some light on the subject closest to her heart...education. Good Housekeeping Talks with Ann Romney "Throw Out System" Public Education! http://owl.li/... The magazine Good Housekeeping has a new interview with Mitt Romney’s wife, Ann, in which she reveals “the answers” to ensuring that all  students get “a proper education.”
      Here’s the relevant question and answer:
      GH: Can you tell me, what campaign issue is closest to your heart?
      AR: I’ve been a First Lady of the State. I have seen what happens to people’s lives if they don’t get a proper education. And we know the answers to that. The charter schools have provided the answers. The teachers’ unions are preventing those things from happening, from bringing real change to our educational system. We need to throw out the system.
      And here’s a bonus question:
      GH: And have you picked yet what your issue will be? What do you feel most passionate about?
      AR: It would be what I’ve been involved with my entire adult life, which is working with at-risk youth and recognizing that every child is a child of God. And that some of those children are being left behind, and that is a heartbreak and a huge, huge loss to this country.

      May life bring you peace, prosperity, pleasant dreams becoming the best of your reality.  May your life reflect the goodness that is you . . . Betsy

      It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson.
      Betsy L. Angert BeThink

      by Bcgntn on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 01:17:40 PM PDT

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  •  Mitt's Morality in a nutshell: (8+ / 0-)

    Horrible movie, but perfect sum up of corporate mentality.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:03:14 AM PDT

  •  Best way to get this out probably (12+ / 0-)

    through social media, spread it around.  Obama campaign probably won't want to be seen as politicizing what is shaping up to be a serious natural catastrophe.   Surrogates like Democratic governors could help get these facts out but there's a risk to doing so while disaster still developing.  

    Of course if Romney camp is stupid enough to make an issue out of Administration preparedness, all bets are off.

  •  There's 47% (7+ / 0-)

    of the pople who want the government to do things like provide a little relief when their home and everything that they own is blown away in a hurricane.

  •  Heck of a job Mitt (6+ / 0-)

    White-collar conservatives flashing down the street, pointing their plastic finger at me..

    by BOHICA on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:38:48 AM PDT

  •  Romney's All Mouth, No Ears (9+ / 0-)

    This is why he makes an ass out of himself on a regular basis. He doesn't listen to what's being asked of him but rather simply spouts his prepackaged talking points. I'm not even sure he meant to suggest that FEMA was immoral because all he understood was "federal spending" and then gave his usual answer.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:39:49 AM PDT

  •  I love how John King adopts the talking point (6+ / 0-)

    'FEMA  is running out of money'.

    Sure, disaster relief to be handled by the states. That would work really well for those red states that are already sucking federal dollars to the tune of twice or more as much as they put in. Sure, those strained budgets could really handle that.
    So much of what Rpublicans propose is just a myth without any reality to back it up but gets people to pound their fists yelling 'hellz yeah'
    Someone should tell them what the people they vote for would really do to them

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:40:56 AM PDT

  •  He said no such thing. (1+ / 0-)
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    Really, can we stop right-winging this site?

    Romney blew past King's 'disaster relief' question to pound his deficit talking point.

    Yeah, he's an asshole, we know.  But isn't what he ACTUALLY says enough to make the point?

    •  no. he talked about the deficit in relation to (8+ / 0-)

      whether the federal govt ought to be funding FEMA and other disaster relief.

      Come on. You don't have to be a deep thinker to understand that what he's saying, clearly, is that, no, the federal government OUGHT NOT be funding disaster relief.

      I am not sure what clip you are watching if you can't see that. It's not hard.

      KING: there are disasters in MO and LA etc. What do you think should be done or

      Romney: the states ought to handle this. it's not a federal function. or better let a private company deal with it.

      this isn't hard. are are we not allowed to logically follow a person's argument?

      For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

      by mdmslle on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:07:08 AM PDT

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  •  I don't want my (9+ / 0-)

    state even in charge of my state.  

  •  Romney surrogate on cnn just (12+ / 0-)

    Defended that by saying that was during the primaries.  Of course the host didn't bat an eye. That is the liberal media in action.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:44:38 AM PDT

  •  Don't you think that goes too far? (0+ / 0-)

    "Federal Disaster Relief 'Immoral'"

    I think that takes his quote out of context.  He was clearly saying that the federal adding to the federal debt is immoral, but I think it stretches logic to say that he said federal disaster relief is immoral.

    Romney's a putz.  His policies are backward and antiquated.  He is flat wrong on sending disaster relief to the states instead of keeping it at the federal level, but I can't sign onto the concept that Romney believes it is immoral for the federal government to provide disaster releif.

    I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use -- Galileo Galilei

    by ccyd on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:48:40 AM PDT

    •  Slow connection this morning (1+ / 0-)
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      That, and bad proofreading.  Please delete the words "the federal" from the second sentence.

      By the way, things aren't too bad in the Philly suburbs just yet.  Even still, I was the only one to come into the office this morning.

      I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use -- Galileo Galilei

      by ccyd on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:51:49 AM PDT

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    •  It doesn't go far enough (1+ / 0-)
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      tikkun

      if RW fuckwads like him say things like that and never get called out in the MSM, well that's one thing.

      When apologists come out of the woodwork to defend the lunacy on sites like DailyKos, well that's quite another.  

      •  I am no apologist (0+ / 0-)

        Romney is a "fuckwad."  He is wrong about transferring responsibility for disasters to the states.  But we do ourselves no favors when we exaggerate and morph his words.  We're supposed to be part of the reality-based community.

        Wouldn't it have made more sense to attack him on the fallicy of his policy proposals and show how in a disaster the size of Sandy, one that will affect many states, coordination at the federal level is essential?  We don't need hyperbole to make our points.

        I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use -- Galileo Galilei

        by ccyd on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:04:52 AM PDT

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        •  let's see: (4+ / 0-)

          it's immoral to increase the federal budget deficit. federal funding of disaster relief efforts like FEMA increase the federal budget deficit. ergo, it's immoral.

          This is not twisting his word. It's CONNECTING THEM.

          We need to stop being a bunch of wusses. If he doesn't want to be quoted as believing FEMA and other such things are IMMORAL than he shouldn't say them. This is what happens when you live in the world of absolutes the right wing inhabits.

          If he starts with the premise that anything that increases the deficit is immoral to begin with and that everything OUGHT to be filtered through that criterion (which he clearly said - "We ought to be asking what IS necessary"), then it's the only LOGICAL way to interpret what he's said. basically anything that increases the deficit is immoral. That include, apparently big bird and planned parenthood. But also apparently (though erroneously) includes shit like medicare, medicaid, obamacare, fema, the FDA and a whole host of other shit where there's not profit being made.

          How else can you read it? And in fact, it's consistent with his "tax policy". This is why he want to gut everything BUT defense. Apparently that's the only thing that doesn't "add to the deficit". Or something.

          For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

          by mdmslle on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:18:30 AM PDT

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          •  Absolutism has no place in governance (1+ / 0-)
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            Whether it comes from them or us.

            We don't need to go into the "all things that raise the the deficit... ergo all things immoral," fallicy.  Isn't it enough that he wants to send it to the states or privatize it?  We simply don't need the hyperbole to make our point.  If we do, then we open ourselves up to the counter attack that we are taking his words out of context (which we would be in this case -- not severely, but out of context nevertheless).  

            In my line of work, I have to think strategically -- If I take position A, then what are the defenses to that position and what is the likely response?  Do I have an answer for that response?  In this case, what is the response to "You took my statement out of context?"  Aren't there going to be a number of media outlets that take the position that the statement is being taken out of context?  Doesn't that just muddy the waters?  Why isn't it better to simply take Romney's position at face value and point out how responses for various disasters would have been affected if his proposal were official policy?  Politics is chess, not paintball.

            I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use -- Galileo Galilei

            by ccyd on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:58:24 AM PDT

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            •  well we just disagree. this is not a courtroom. (0+ / 0-)

              its politics and sadly much of what happens in politics is different than what happens in a courtroom.

              The bttom line is he believes that anything that adds to the deficit is immoral. HE SAID THAT.

              Here’s what the Republican candidate had to say when asked whether FEMA should be shut down:

              “Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep?”

              When moderator, John King, responded “Including disaster relief, though?”, Mitt Romney had this to say—

              “We cannot — we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids.It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all.

              Let him defend it. I don't care. Let HIM defend it. We have nothing to defend. HE SAID IT. I can't see how else to read this. How one earth do you read an answer to the direct question: "Even including disaster relief?" with this answer "We cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing our kids future....it is simply immoral."

              There's no other way to read that. Sorry. KISS = anything that would increase the deficit is immoral, including disaster relief (which was the subject of the entire line of questioning).

              Fuck it. Let HIM defend that statement. Oh! Wait. Seems he IS being forced to defend it now. Heh. Carry on.

              For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

              by mdmslle on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 02:39:53 PM PDT

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        •  When somebody suggests sending a task (2+ / 0-)
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          debocracy, Brooke In Seattle

          back to "the states" that "the states" have absolutely no interest (like mandating health insurance coverage for pre-exisiting conditions) or capability (like megastorms) in doing, that is code for "get rid of government intervention. period."

          And that is highly immoral without an ounce of hyperbole involved.

    •  he said "including disaster relief". But I know (3+ / 0-)
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      what you're thinking, and it's what's Mitt's banking on:  our country would never allow someone so clearly stupid and a mendacious liar to come this close to winning the election, ergo, we misunderstood him.

      "Binder? I just met her!"

      by Inland on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:57:13 AM PDT

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      •  I guess it is a matter of priority (2+ / 0-)
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        Sue B, debocracy

        I understood him to mean that it is immoral to saddle our children and grandchildren with a mountain of debt, and that everything should be on the table for budget cuts, even federal disaster relief.  I think that is the most parsimonius reading of the Q&A.  But Mitt wants to jack up military spending and get rid of disaster relief at the federal level.  I consider his priorities to be immoral.

        I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use -- Galileo Galilei

        by ccyd on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:14:34 AM PDT

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        •  You understood what he didn't say: (0+ / 0-)

          he didn't say everything was on the table.  He didn't even say all spending was on the table.  

           You already know that he doens't believe any such thing, but you'll assume that he's "saying that"

          Here's what he said: emergency operations out of the federal government to the states, and if any state asks him, further devolved to private enterprise.  That's what he said.

          "Binder? I just met her!"

          by Inland on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 01:24:45 PM PDT

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    •  Lol, thanks for clarifying Romney's poisonous (0+ / 0-)

      policies.

    •  Fuck him. (0+ / 0-)

      The very fact that he dared to even use the term "immoral" at all while blatantly pimping for cuts that are the definition of immoral = no mercy.  Oh boo hoo, you're worried about our childrens' debt.  We can feel the empathy from here.  Suck it, Money Boo Boo.

  •  Disaster Capitalism (8+ / 0-)

    and it's best advocate, Mitt Romney. The below pic is from yesterday afternoon, we are still under flood advisory in South Florida (and the storm brushed us a few days ago). This storm is so huge that it would be impossible to outsource this to local government or, god forbid, private market. Could you imagine?

    Also, I heard Bloomberg state he did not want help from FEMA. I know that Cuomo and Obama went ahead without him.

    "If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading."- Lao-Tzu

    by Pakalolo on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:48:45 AM PDT

  •  Jackass! (1+ / 0-)
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    tikkun

    This is worth a commercial from one of the Obama superPAC's!

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:48:56 AM PDT

  •  Romney can always deploy Ryan to serve soup (6+ / 0-)

    in a disaster.

    I have cheese in my veins. Wisconsin cheese!

    by trekguy66 on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:49:06 AM PDT

  •  Reagan did that too. He imagined that shifting a (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tikkun, ColoTim

    cost to the states magically solved the problem of paying for it.

    "The New Federalism" I think it was called.

  •  From the memory banks (2+ / 0-)
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    Romney Campaign Declared Federal Disaster Area

    The United States government today designated the Romney presidential campaign a federal disaster area and ordered a mandatory evacuation of its Boston headquarters.

    FEMA director William Craig Fulgate said his agency has been monitoring the threat to the Romney campaign for months, concerned that the level of toxic bullshit has been rising at an alarming rate.

  •  I think it's worth noting that this is ... (0+ / 0-)

    from early in the primary calendar. Pawlenty is still standing on stage.

    •  And that's relevant... why? (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Romney trying out positions ... (0+ / 0-)

        like so many Costco shirts.

        Plus, context is important. It matters when and where things happen.

      •  Romney made this comment after Joplin ... (0+ / 0-)

        Here's what Kevin Drum says, on the dKos fron page.

        "Republican orthodoxy that demanded spending cuts in return for raising the debt ceiling had infested everything, even emergency spending. Sure, Joplin might be suffering, but by God, America was out of money and there was nothing left for them. Romney, who was still in his severely conservative phase back then, went along because he didn't dare cross Eric Cantor. This is the real problem here. There's no telling if Romney really believed what he was saying or not, but as president he probably wouldn't dare cross Cantor either."

  •  as per usual Republican thinking (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tikkun, ColoTim, schnecke21

    can't see the forest for the trees and don't know their a$$e$ from a hole in the ground.

    If disaster relief is a state level issue, and most if not all of a state just got leveled,   other states are going to send them money, equipment and manpower?  Not happening in any organized or effective manner.   If seven or eight states in a region get leveled,   who then can help?

    One tornado in one small town,  a state could handle.

    But then, you are duplicating even more bureaucracy, creating turf wars, confusion for citizens who don't know who is going to help them if you dismantle the federal infrastructure and end much of the cooperative design and planning that exists now.  And then who decides when the disaster is big enough to get aid, or which states will be helped and which ones won't.

    And the private sector bullshit,  private companies are going to extend credit to the poor, people with no work to return to as their company is shut down, etc?   Private companies are going to need their own help, who is putting a competitor back in business?   And what private company is going to volunteer to put streets and lighting and bridges and levees back together?

  •  Have you read Ryan's budget? (8+ / 0-)

    What he seems to be saying is, that instead of FEMA. The government will contract private companies to go in and provide aid. Those receiving the aid would then be required to pay out of pocket the cost of the aid. Including whatever the government paid for the contract. Not only will they be picking the carpet baggers that will be around to rob you, you will be obligated to pay the robber for robbing you. It's only a disater when it happens to the rich.

    "And while it was regarded as pretty good evidence of criminality to be living in a slum, for some reason owning a whole street of them merely got you invited to the very best social occasions."

    by Shippo1776 on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:53:11 AM PDT

  •  Perhaps some of the undecided voters will notice (8+ / 0-)

    that this President is not flying around the country delivering birthday cakes and playing a guitar today.

  •  such a perfect example of what their message is (5+ / 0-)

    which is "i refuse to pay the taxes necessary cover the costs of disaster preparedness and response. since I also refuse to pay for the cost of borrowing that I have made necessary by insisting on low tax rates, we must cut even the most common sense spending. since this makes me look greedy in the extreme, I claim it to be a moral issue in which I actually hold the high ground."

  •  climate change (3+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, debocracy, Brooke In Seattle
    ROMNEY: We cannot—we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we’ll all be dead and gone before it’s paid off. It makes no sense at all. [emphasis added]
    Isn't this exactly what he's doing to our children when it comes to climate change?

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:56:11 AM PDT

  •  All of us in Massachusetts (7+ / 0-)

    know what Governor Romney would have done about this storm.

    Nothing.

    He wouldn't have even been in the state.

    Two weeks afterward, he'd be somewhere else talking about how ineffective government is in disaster relief.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:56:50 AM PDT

  •  What part of "promote the general welfare" (6+ / 0-)

    and "ensure domestic tranquility" does this man not get?

    Strength and dignity are her clothing, she rejoices at the days to come; She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the law of kindness is on her tongue.

    by loggersbrat on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:57:14 AM PDT

  •  good thing he's history in T minus 8. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Blicero

    I hate this guy.

    And if, by some crazy chance, he wins, I promise you I will be starting the american version of the french revolution. I know it's a death warrant (like every other outspoken american who threatens the status quo - MLK, Malcolm, Hoffman, JFK etc) but fuck it. Living here under corporate oligarchic control with no voting rights and unlimited corporate political power is also a death warrant. Fuck it. I'd rather die fast and honorable than slow and miserable.

    This guy IS the disaster. So glad he's toast in just over week. GOTV.

    For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

    by mdmslle on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:57:35 AM PDT

  •  pass this on (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541

    This video should be passed all over the social media.  If Obama himself used the video, people would get on his case for "exploiting" Sandy.  But we ourselves can spread the word about this old vid.

  •  Ever New and More Creative Ways (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Amber6541, Brooke In Seattle

    to decrease the numbers of poor people

    Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

    by tikkun on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 07:58:22 AM PDT

  •  Tax cuts for Mitt & billionaire buddies = Awesome (5+ / 0-)

    Disaster aid for ordinary citizens = Immoral.

    OK, got it.

    •  Think of the savings. Rich people have few needs. (0+ / 0-)

      No police, no firemen, no post office, no standing army (keep the defense contracts tho), no FEMA, no infrastructure.  

      /s We should have created this 1% years ago. /s

      I give the Big Bird to those who say Obama lost the debate.

      by 88kathy on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:36:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Let's face it, the 1% does not need FEMA, their (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    88kathy, debocracy, Brooke In Seattle

    private armies protect them from bad things so we should all do what they do without the resources.  

  •  This is a prime example of Right Wing Scourge. (3+ / 0-)
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    They vilify anything and everything that comes from the federal government, along with those who may benefit from it.  Then, when the $$$ comes down the pike, they're the first in line with outstretched hands.  

    WITNESS: Stimulus funds.  They screamed and shouted about those, then red states grabbed every dollar they could from it and took credit for the success of the program.  Now they're saying it was a miserable failure and the money was misspent.  THEY'RE THE ONES WHO TOOK IT AND DISTRIBUTED IT.

    Sorry, sometimes I just have to scream in frustration, but I did show unusual restraint in the use of profanity, didn't I?

  •  I like government (3+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, MaikeH, debocracy

    I like the idea that government is there to provide aid and assistance when disaster strikes. I like the idea of having government watchdogs to ensure that toys are safe for our children, that products are safe for consumers, and that predatory financial institutions are not taking advantage of customers. I like the idea of government holding businesses and corporations accountable and preventing them from harming our environment and riding roughshod over citizens.    

    I like the idea that the government is inspecting our food to ensure that it's safe to eat.  The idea that government is inspecting our air and water to ensure that it's safe to breathe and drink. I like that government provides air traffic controller­s to guide planes safely. I like the idea of government providing police and firefighters to protect our streets, our homes, and our businesses, and teachers to educate the population­.

    I like the idea of having a government that provides a strong military to defend our freedom and our way of life, while also providing for our veterans and their families. I like the idea of government ensuring that everyone has access to health care.  I like the idea of government providing a helping hand up for those in need. I like the idea that government provides tens of millions of jobs. I like the idea of government ensuring that citizens have access to Medicare and Social Security. I like the idea of government ensuring that our seniors live their golden years with dignity and respect, and that our young have access to higher learning and opportunity.  

    I like the idea of government strengthening the middle class and ensuring that opportunity and the promise of the American Dream is available to all.  I like the idea of government defending equality and ending discrimination.  I like the idea of government protecting a woman's right to choose.  I like the idea of government protecting the rights of workers.  

    I like the idea of government insisting that everyone shares in the responsibility of shared sacrifice, including those who have benefited the most from the sacrifice of others.  I like the idea of government building and restoring our infrastructure with the view that our infrastructure is an invaluable legacy passed on to future generations.  I like the idea of government enriching our lives by investing in science, technology­, health, and our future.  

    I like these and many other ideas of what government does and what it can do. Why a presidential candidate and his political party would be opposed to all of these great ideas is beyond me.

    •  I'll help you. They're against it because it's (1+ / 0-)
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      Kaneblues

      money that's going to the wrong people and not to them.  It's too much of a stretch for them to realize money and efforts going to making the country better and stronger will help their quality of life.  If it's never part of their bank account, it's wasted money.

  •  June 13, 2011 (0+ / 0-)

    That date says it all-

    The GOP Circus Show recognized easily as The Great American Media Obfuscation and False Equivalency Challenge extraordinaire has been going on for far to long; IMHO-

    Evidence that contradicts the ruling belief system is held to extraordinary standards, while evidence that entrenches it is uncritically accepted. -Carl Sagan

    by RF on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:04:05 AM PDT

  •  Romney IS (partly) right, but for wrong reasons. (2+ / 0-)
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    Among the counterproductive things federally subsidized flood insurance and disaster aid to flood-prone areas has done is to permit and sustain development in places where it might not otherwise be feasible.  That's one of the main reasons hurricanes have become far more expensively damaging in coastal areas, even while the vastly improved storm forecasting, tracking, and warning have reduced loss of life.

    I say this as someone who owns a vacation house on a barrier island in North Carolina that took a direct hit from the most violent part of cat-4 Hurricane Hazel in 1954, putting the entire island under a 15 to 20 foot storm surge, but there were no buildings on the island then.  I benefit from the program to some extent for insuring the structure itself, although you cannot insure the underlying land (or sand), which is 2/3 of the value of any immediate coastal property.

    I'm not against federal disaster relief, but it has to be more intelligently and restrictively structured so that once any insured coastal property in a high-vulnerability zone is destroyed, there should not be any incentive to rebuild vulnerable structures at that site.

    •  actually they have forced people to move (0+ / 0-)

      in areas prone to disaster

      as for the OBX .that is a big money maker for NC no way they are going stop that area.

      "With malice toward none, with charity for all..." -Abraham Lincoln not a modern republican

      by live1 on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:19:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Mitt Romney is Immoral (2+ / 0-)
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    cactusgal, Sue B

    Very simply stated.

    "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

    by US Blues on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:05:09 AM PDT

  •  has he had premature tweetulation yet? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ColoTim

    I would expect him at any moment to tweet a criticism of the President for his actions in the wake of the storm.

    The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'. ~ Larry Hardiman

    by shel3364 on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:05:47 AM PDT

  •  Pfft. Pin a policy on a Romney n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Romney forgets or doesn't care (4+ / 0-)

    that we are called the United States of America

    Do I laugh now, or wait 'til it gets funny?

    by WalterNeff on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:07:15 AM PDT

  •  Leave it to the states??? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ColoTim, debocracy, Brooke In Seattle

    I am incensed with Romney's matter of fact answers. Both he and Ryan are so concerned about the bottom line they will treat the government as a for profit entity. What disasters will states have to deal with that they will have to foot the entire bill? I just read about a community in North Carolina that has been informed by the EPA that their drinking water has been poisoned for the last 10 years and the North Carolina answer to that was they had bigger things to think of. Republicans - A synonym for screw the public. I'm so glad this jerk is no longer my governor but God help us if he becomes president.

  •  Why do they get away with this argument: (5+ / 0-)

    "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids"?
    You only pass on these debts if you refuse to pay for them yourself. By refusing to shoulder your share of the load, you land it on other people.
    I don't understand why no one says: "So raise taxes and pay the debts down now, instead of letting it land on the kids."

  •  How exactly do you privatize disaster relief? Are (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    ColoTim, MaikeH, Brooke In Seattle

    they saying state governments would pay a Blackwater type operation to provide services? [good luck with that] Would people have to contract individually with some local or national disaster organization or buy insurance ahead of time? If they cannot or will not then "LET THEM DIE"? Depend solely on the Red Cross? Hope the media shows enough suffering to get people to donate loads of money?

    "Someone just turned the lights on in the bar and the sexiest state doesn't look so pretty anymore" CA Treasurer Bill Lockyer on Texas budget mess

    by CaliSista on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:12:34 AM PDT

  •  It's because of religion (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GreenMother, Brooke In Seattle

    Government is stealing Heaven Points™ from churches/the faithful, who need these events to prove to their deity how pious they are (and have a crack at the vulnerable victims for conversions/future tithers).

    NOW SHOWING
    Progressive Candidate Obama (now - Nov 6, 2012)
    Bipartisan Obama returns (Nov 7, 2012)

    by The Dead Man on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:12:58 AM PDT

  •  Just heard the first siren of the day... (0+ / 0-)

    won't be the last

    as long as we keep rmoney out.

    It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

    by Murphoney on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:13:17 AM PDT

  •  PLEASE SPREAD VIDEO ON SOCIAL MEDIA (0+ / 0-)

    because as we know Romney's unprecedented calculated bullshit tack to the middle is not discussed as the immoral thing it is by the MSM.
    Sometimes they discuss individual lies or exaggerations but there is NO NARRATIVE in the MSM about how unprecedented/crappy what he is doing is in how he misleads and what it means to our country.

    Moreover this leaves uninformed voters unsure that this is an unprecedented level of mendacity and they don't know what he said before.

    We dont' even know what he believes. But killing Planned Parenthood while looking forward to signing potential Personahood amendments? Recipe for public health disaster. Getting rid of the Dept of Education? and now this

    Ending FEMA. People need to know this and the MSM does not tell them

    Aside:
    Crossroads Pac ad just came on in MA (to reach NH no doubt). Full of layers of lies and lying assumptions and falsehood.
    Romney thinks Citizens United was a good thing.

    Barack O
    Obama needed more dept to pay for his stimulus
    Obama has given China a free pass
    More Obama borrows from china more we'l have to BOW (pic of Barack bowing to an Asian leader) to China

  •  I've worked several disasters at the local level. (0+ / 0-)

    There is absolutely a role for the private sector.

    But its not in administration or coordination.  That's the role primarily for the locals with help from FEMA and the state.

    The best way to get the job done quickly and efficiently is to hire local contractors that have a good work history in the community....people you can trust.  Avoid at all costs the gypsy companies that travel from disaster to disaster hoping to make a quick buck.

  •  surrre, give it to the states... (5+ / 0-)

    Then they can do what my state's illustrious governor/televangelist Haley Barbour did - funnel the disaster money to mock-businesses set up by his brother Jeppie and use it to pay off rich people's condo projects in areas that weren't anywhere near the storm damage, while the poor areas with actual damage can go hang.

    If you ever want to see why conservative ideas don't work, just look at the results the very-red Southern states get from the policies of the people they keep electing.  Mitt would just bring that corruption and incompetence to a national scale and turn the whole nation into one big Mississippi.

    "Glenn Beck ends up looking like a fat, stupid child. His face should be wearing a chef's hat on the side of a box of eclairs. " - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:17:24 AM PDT

  •  In a nutshell (5+ / 0-)

    Romney/Ryan see taking power as an opportunity to dismantle government.  I wish during the debates someone would have just asked each candidate-- "Describe what you see as the role of the federal government."  More pointedly, why do you want to be the leader of something you only want to dismantle?  They don't want to run the government, they want to destroy it to create a free for all where a few elites suck up what $$ is left and the rest of us can go you know where.

    IMHO government exists for the common good of the people and to ensure orderly functioning of institutions that allow society to function in a safe and orderly manner.  Why aren't they called on their fundamental vision of government?

    Clean air, water, food, housing, medical care, transportation, employment, law enforcement, education are all elements of a society that allows an orderly functioning of society so that people may pursue happiness.  I just can't for the life of me grasp how this race could be so close at this point.

    •  Ron Paul would have been able to answer this. (0+ / 0-)

      Not that his answers would have been palatable for the most of America, but at least he knows what he wants the role of government to be, and it isn't one that helps in most cases.

  •  The 1% doesn't need FEMA. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JML9999

    There's much that the 1% doesn't need when you think about it.

    I give the Big Bird to those who say Obama lost the debate.

    by 88kathy on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:17:58 AM PDT

  •  " What again does Mitt Romney consider immoral? " (1+ / 0-)
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    88kathy

    Actually, the answer to that question was answered right in the video/transcript:

    "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids..."

    He didn't say disaster relief was immoral; he said passing debt on to our kids was immoral.  

    Instead of repeating the very Republican tactic of taking words out of context to make it appear a politician has made some outrageous statement, wouldn't it be nice if people here on the Daily Kos just stuck with the truth (which is usually bad enough?)

    When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

    by Bisbonian on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:19:16 AM PDT

    •  The 1% has few needs, why should they pay (0+ / 0-)

      taxes to support the 99% who have needs?  That's immoral.  

      Pretty much is what he said.

      We should look at what we need.  Is what he said.  We = 1%.  Is what I said.

      I give the Big Bird to those who say Obama lost the debate.

      by 88kathy on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:43:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I wasn't commenting on what you said, (0+ / 0-)

        (which I agree with); I was commenting on what the diarist said, which was: "Romney in primary: Federal disaster relief 'immoral'"...which is not what he said.  I think it would serve us all better not to argue with straw men, but to argue against what was really said.

        When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

        by Bisbonian on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 11:30:52 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I'd like to hear a response from the (3+ / 0-)

    National Governors Association on this radical proposal to change how disaster funding is handled, but I guess that's asking too much.  Crony capitalism in the middle of a catastrophe should scare the bejeesus out of everyone.

    A petty criminal is someone with predatory instincts but insufficient capital to form a corporation. --Clarence Darrow

    by stlsophos on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:20:39 AM PDT

  •  this could be a big story (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    88kathy

    but then again it appears half the electorate is bent on voting for this loser regardless of whatever garbage he spews

    •  When will they realize the royal Romney We (0+ / 0-)

      means the royals not them.  They might discover this sooner, as the last thing Romney needs from them is their vote.

      I give the Big Bird to those who say Obama lost the debate.

      by 88kathy on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:50:42 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This loser simply will not be president. (0+ / 0-)
  •  What's immoral is (4+ / 0-)

    grossly irresponsible tax cuts for rich assholes during war time.

    You know, because "deficit".

  •  The money quote is this (0+ / 0-)
    Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut—we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep?
    What should we keep? Implies cutting as much as he can. Fucker wants to cut it all, if possible. I cannot believe he has less compassion than Bush and Cheney, but he does.

    "Say little; do much." (Pirkei Avot: 1:15)

    by hester on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:29:56 AM PDT

  •  Don't say you weren't warned (0+ / 0-)

    Let this be a warning to our friends in Tennessee, Mississippi, Kentucky, Missouri, Iowa and beyond the next time there is massive flooding in your state.

    And let this be a warning to our friends in Louisiana and Mississippi and beyond the next time the hurricanes arrive or the levees break.

    And let this be a warning to our friends living on the Gulf Coast when the next oil tanker spills millions of barrels of oil into the sea.

    And let this be a warning to our friends in Missouri and Alabama and beyond when your state is devastated by a series of tornadoes.

    And let this be a warning to our friends living in Texas, Colorado, Montana, Washington, Idaho, California and beyond when the wildfires spread over your state.

    You're on your own.  You've been warned.

  •  Mitt: "Pray for a Free Market & Sunshine" (0+ / 0-)

    rMoney's creed: "What, me disaster worry?"

    ROMNEY: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:49:03 AM PDT

  •  about short memory-remember Daimler-Chyrsler? (0+ / 0-)

    I believe the previous 'owner' of Chrysler  was a german company, hence it was named Daimler-Chrysler.  It would be good to remind everyone about that AND that the Italians  now working with Chrysler are doing a much better job.

    Romney's 'sold Chrysler to the Italians' is a falsehood at worst, convoluted at best.  

    http://cultureid.com

    by debk on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:51:37 AM PDT

  •  Translation (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    88kathy

    Rich people are never going to pay for this.

    So if you do it at all you will have to pass the costs to future poor people, on behalf of today's poor people.

    That's immoral.

    But just remember to keep it firmly in mind: rich people are never going to pay for this.

    Or anything else, ever again, for anyone else.

  •  Jeez, people, this was over a year ago. That's an (0+ / 0-)

    eternity for the Etch-A-Sketch. It's not ancient history, it's paleontology :)

  •  Obviously this isn't (1+ / 0-)
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    matx

    practical, but I wish that there was some way NOT to provide federal government assistance to all of the elected officials (and even prvt citizens) who complain about government spending...But, of course, at the end of the day, we all know that those folks are only against government spending and assistance when they (or their cronies) are not the beneficiaries.

    •  maybe they could check a box on their IRS (0+ / 0-)

      return "All enclosed funds are to go to pay down the debt because I think it is immoral."  That way it's tied to their SS# and easily tracked if they should need federal assistance after a natural disaster, or loss of a job, or help sending their children to college, etc. (just joking, sigh)

  •  But Romney's Like the Weather (0+ / 0-)

    We have a saying here in the Northeast:  "If you don't like the weather, wait a minute, it will change."

    After month's of watching Romney's "flip-flop" laden campaign, a similar saying seems applicable:

    "If you don't like Mitt's position on an issue, wait a minute, it will change."

    You can bet Romney will be all for providing Disaster relief in the coming days, regardless of what he said in the Primary debates.  Still, I hope the Obama campaign picks up the video and runs an ad or two with it.  I'm sure those who are facing this disaster will be interested to hear Romney's position on Federal Disaster relief.

    "Some men see things as they are and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were and ask, 'Why not?"

    by Doctor Who on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 09:17:47 AM PDT

  •  Let's replicate FEMA (0+ / 0-)

    50 times. Good idea.

    There is nothing more exciting than the truth. - Richard P. Feynman

    by pastol on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 09:24:22 AM PDT

  •  Playing Devil's Advocate... (0+ / 0-)

    He didn't specifically stated disaster relief was immoral.  He completely danced around the question

    You got your sheep, and you got your black sheep, and I'm not even a sheep. I'm on the freakin' moon.

    by tinksaysboo on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 09:25:32 AM PDT

  •  That's not my plan!--Mitt Romney (0+ / 0-)

    Romney promises to be even worse than Bush. Un-efing-believable.

  •  Romney Responds (0+ / 0-)

    ... mainly to the questions in his head.  He never did give a direct answer to the interviewer.

    More than that, in a typical Romney fashion, he rolled right over the person asking him questions, when that person tried to get more from Romney.

  •  My congressman's consistent record on disaster (0+ / 0-)

    relief: No. He was one of only 11 House members who voted NO on relief to Hurricane Katrina victims. He has since said that it was the best vote he ever cast. Since 2010, Steve King clones have taken over the House GOP. Those folks under siege from Sandy should not expect much help from the current crop of House Republicans.

  •  Candidate Romneys' 'generous' heart (0+ / 0-)

    What a disgusting...utterly ridiculous excuse for a human being... In addition to being a poser, he is a liar, as well.!

  •  Mitt Romney (0+ / 0-)

    Since 1850 when the Federal government arrested men for plogamy, the Mormons have had an antithesis to the Federal Government. This year, the Utah legislature passes and the governor signed 11 bills which stated they will not comply with the Federal Government. Additionally Utah passed a law that would legalize the acquisition of Federal land, millions of acres, without any payment. Although in 2002 Utah received more than 2 billion for the Olympics and in 2008 Utah received 5 billion in I-15 Highway reconstruction, more than most other states. Yet, Senator Orrin Hatch brags about cutting Federal spending.
    Additionally, NO EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE EXIST to prove that privatizing works better than Federal management. The Agent Orange lawsuit was privatized, turned over millions to the "Cottage Program" whereas veterans benefited very little, and most of the funds were spent on administration of the program. I was one of the veterans and was interviewed by a lady who knew NOTHING about Agent Orangeand it's effects, Vietnam, or disabilities in general. She could barely speak English.

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