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I can still remember watching Mary Martin in the 1960 NBC production of Peter Pan, asking me and every other child watching the boob tube to clap to show we believed in fairies, because, if we all clapped enough, by God we could save Tinker Bell!

And we thought we had, all of us little four and five year-olds.  But that was not true, of course.  Our clapping did nothing, except hurt our hands.  I know mine were as red as they had ever been before.  Hurt like a Mofo.

That's sort of the way I feel about polls right now.  A week or two ago we - our team - were down in the polls, and now we are up!  Clap, clap, clap!  Oh how wonderful!

Well clap all you want, but remember this.  The only poll that counts is the one in which you walk or drive down to your local polling place, sign in, receive your ballot and vote for Barack Obama and every other Democrat.  

Got that?  Voting is what counts.  Clapping and other self-congratulatory cheering at "good news" - i.e.,  stupid horse race news such as the incessant and relentless coverage of poll results here, there and everywhere - makes one feel good, but it isn't worth a damn thing.

So clap all you want, but more importantly next Tuesday, as bright and early as possible, go do the real work that is required of you as a citizen in our "still barely a" democracy - VOTE!

And then chide, harass and/or assist anyone else you know get to their precinct to cast their votes, also.

Do that and then maybe later that night we will have something to clap about.

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  •  voted (7+ / 0-)

    and now clap for others who vote or help others to vote

    •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

      for your service.

      And that is no joke, nor meant as disrespect for anyone in the armed forces.  All of us as citizens don't just have a right to vote, we have a duty to vote.  And a duty to make sure that no one stops others from voting.

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 01:51:45 PM PDT

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  •  And if you live in California, clap (vote) (2+ / 0-)
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    Steven D, grover

    to label our food when its made with genetically modified materials, and vote to fund our schools.

    Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

    by voracious on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 01:48:16 PM PDT

    •  Damn straight (2+ / 0-)
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      grover, voracious

      We still fund our schools in NY.  Paying property taxes higher than other states isn't ideal, but at least I know my kids got a good  - no make that very good - K through 12 education.  And I didn't have to spend that money on private schools that only the privileged few can afford.

      Good luck.

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 01:54:40 PM PDT

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    •  Let's also boo and throw GMO tomatoes (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Steven D, voracious

      at Prop 32.

      Our public employees who serve us day in and day out deserve our support.

      Organic tomatoes should be used to make a nice pasta sauce, of course.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:21:39 PM PDT

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  •  Already voted (3+ / 0-)
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    Contra, grover, MRDFS

    Already contributed financially. AND I follow the polls. I can do all of the above.

    Once again, Republicans show there is no fact that they feel the need to learn. ~ Fordmandalay

    by MeMeMeMeMe on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 01:52:15 PM PDT

  •  It's cute (2+ / 0-)
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    PatRiots, MRDFS

    but polls are more than that.  Without their Surge narrative the Romney campaign would have tanked a long time ago.  They needed that just to keep things close because he had the stink of failure on him and the press might have been forced to write about why he was failing.  Their talking points can't survive that kind of scrutiny.  

    So people watching the polls here might be a few parts Tinkerbell rescue but it's also, unfortunately, real politics and necessary.  

    The way the press went along with yet another GOP narrative in spite of the fact that all of the most intensive poll analysts have shown Obama ahead all along should really be a scandal.  They engaged in Romney campaign spin and called it news.  

    When truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

    by Sun dog on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 01:53:19 PM PDT

  •  Is a diary like this necessary? (2+ / 0-)
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    MRDFS, MeMeMeMeMe

    Does anyone here not understand how elections work and that voting is necessary?

    Has anyone here poo-pooed GOTV efforts or voting?

    Has anyone here said it isn't important to encourage others we know to go vote?

    Momentum and narrative is important, and having a good polling surge is absolutely something we in the blogosphere should be trumpeting as part of the narrative.  Improving morale improves enthusiasm, which leads to more votes.

    So let's cut out the Debby Downer, condescending admonitions that we can't cheer good polling numbers.  In fact, not cheering them would be political malpractice.

    •  Yes it is (1+ / 0-)
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      LucyandByron

      People can get either discouraged or complacent by the ridiculous amount of coverage of polls.

      In 2004 Kerry supposedly was ahead in the polls in Ohio, until the voter suppression efforts turned the tide.  

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 01:58:17 PM PDT

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      •  No, Kerry was not ahead in Ohio. (1+ / 0-)
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        HudsonValleyMark

        http://www.realclearpolitics.com/...

        Bush led Kerry in the composite by 2.1 points in the final stretch.  Kerry's numbers were nowhere near as consistently good as Obama's have been in this election cycle.

        People are more likely to get discouraged by diaries like this rather than diaries that are covering positive polling news and showing that we are winning.  Those diaries help generate enthusiasm.

        •  We agree to disagree (0+ / 0-)

          The last polls I saw on election day in Cleveland showed Kerry ahead.  I was there for Election Protection that year and that is what the local news was broadcasting.

          And how does telling people to vote discourage them?  You lost me there.

          "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

          by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:34:10 PM PDT

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          •  You're not entitled to your own facts. (1+ / 0-)
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            HudsonValleyMark

            Either find me the polls that show Kerry was leading on Election Day or concede the facts.  It's pretty well-documented that Bush pulled into statistical polling leads in OH and elsewhere in the final stretch of the election, much as Obama has done.   This isn't a matter of "agree to disagree," it's a matter of verifiable polling data.  Either it exists or it does not.

            You're discouraging people by poo-pooing good polling numbers and equating their cheering them as to "clapping louder," a metaphor for desperate fantasizing.  You also are discouraging them by falsely claiming Kerry was also leading in the OH polls and then lost anyway, which is manifestly not true.

            •  There were a number of polls that had Kerry (0+ / 0-)

              ahead.  I can't recall the poll I saw on TV election day morning at 7 am at the Cleveland Election Protection downtown headquarters but I did find this link:

              http://www.tnr.com/...

              "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

              by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 03:08:01 PM PDT

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              •  per your link, the number was one (0+ / 0-)
                Starting with the polls conducted over these very dates eight years ago, Bush took a slight and consistent lead in Ohio and never relented. From this point onward, Kerry only led in one poll of Ohio (Gallup, of course), where the RealClearPolitics average showed Bush holding a 2.1 point lead on Election Day.
                I'm not especially invested in the broader meta here. It does seem a bit weird to liken what goes on here to clapping to save Tink. Even if we do spend too much time discussing polls, I don't think that is a major reason. But maybe some folks here think they're Contributing To A Narrative.

                Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
                Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

                by HudsonValleyMark on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 04:08:36 PM PDT

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    •  agreed. So tired of diaries like this (2+ / 0-)
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      Boris Godunov, MeMeMeMeMe

      Too many people here discounting arguments that haven't been made. NOT ONE person has said, we don't have to get out the vote because we have a 1.2% average lead in Colorado.

      And since when has condescension ever motivated anyone to do anything

    •  When there are 3-4 diaries (1+ / 0-)
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      Steven D

      about the same Nate Silver report, I think Steven has a point. Quite a few Kossacks openly admit they're "addicted" to watching polls. I wonder what they could be doing instead of  watching polls.

      I know what I'm doing. I call swing states. I'm making homemade healthy food to bring to my local congressional campaign and OFA offices because staff and volunteers who don't have to leave for lunch and dinner are people who are more efficient.  I go in and phonebank at the offices. I'm going to NV for GOTV.

      I think this

      In fact, not cheering them would be political malpractice.
      is kind of silly. My actions haven't changed one bit between when when my candidates were down or are up (or tied).  I just keep plodding along.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:39:22 PM PDT

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      •  Hey thanks (1+ / 0-)
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        grover

        Appreciate the support after the personal ad hominem attacks.

        "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

        by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:47:06 PM PDT

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        •  Sure. (1+ / 0-)
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          Steven D

          Aren't you supposed to be calling Ohio or Florida?

          ;)

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:52:01 PM PDT

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          •  Already made calls (0+ / 0-)

            to Ohio, Colorado and Wisconsin this election cycle.  Also made local calls for Louise Slaughter, who will be my new Congresswoman (after redistricting) is being bombarded by negative ads by Citizens United Super Pacs for her GOP opponent.

            I am no longer well enough to travel as I did in 2004, since I my illness has worsened and my wife has suffered brain damage from the aftereffects of chemo from her pancreatic cancer treatment in 2006.

            If you'd like to read a long diary (and I won;t blame you iof you don't) here is a link to my Election Protection experience in 2004 when I was younger and my autoimmune symptoms were not as frequent and severe:

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

            by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 03:05:19 PM PDT

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        •  I resent the insinuation that (0+ / 0-)

          I engaged in any personal attacks on you.  Cite where I did.

          •  I was referring to another poster (0+ / 0-)

            Not you.

            Here is the link where he or she called me a condescending shit:

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            I did not mention you or insinuate that you made any personal attacks, Boris. The other poster in this diary certainly did however.

            Your comments have been fair.  His or hers were most definitely not.

            "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

            by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 03:13:52 PM PDT

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      •  Like it or not, people get motivated (0+ / 0-)

        more when they feel they're winning rather than losing.  One of the reason's Romney's supporters didn't fall off the cliff is because of constant messaging when they were down in the polls that it wasn't true.  We all know it was true, sure, but when it comes to preserving the morale of your supporters, perception and spin matter.

        How did Romney get away with a prolonged media glow about a polling "surge" after the first debate?  Because his surrogates were out there spinning it like crazy, and it became a self-reinforcing meme.

        So don't tell me that we shouldn't crow about positive polls.  It does motivate us.  It does improve morale.  And, almost as importantly, it helps sap morale from the other side.  A large part of why Romney's polling "surge" looks better than it probably really was is because previously-unenthusiastic Romney supporters started to feel better about their guy's chances, which in turn spurred their motivation to vote.  LV models gauge enthusiasm, and a lot of it came from Republicans perking up about their prospects.

        To turn your own logic around, nobody is going to stop the GOTV actions they're already doing because of some good poll numbers coming out.  It may even motivate them more.

  •  poll results set narrative... (3+ / 0-)
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    Steven D, Contra, Sun dog

    ...which is something we keep having to push back on. so, not every poll diary is meant to be an applause sign.

    The posts that try to analyse trends or drill down into numbers are useful for me. I'm the optimist in my circle of friends when it comes to this election. some of them went and hid under the bed  a month ago because "blah blah blah Reagan..." after the 1st debate. I was able to douse the defeatism by talking about poll methodology, the 538 type websites, and the electoral college, etc. stuff I read here.

    there was panic on this site as well. some of the poll-clapping posts are trying to keep our tinkerbells alive!

  •  how bout telling us what YOU are actually doing (0+ / 0-)

    to GOTV, rather than being a condescending shit

    Then maybe your words will be useful

    •  Name calling (0+ / 0-)

      justifies a hide rating.

      I can't give you one, because I'm not allowed.  But I;d remember that if I were you.  Go red the DKos FAQ on what are acceptable comments.  You don't like my diary, fine, then just move along.  Calling me a condescending shit is out of bounds.

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:39:35 PM PDT

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      •  whatever (0+ / 0-)

        still waiting to hear what you are actually doing

        •  Look down (0+ / 0-)

          Already responded to your question though I certainly don't owe you or anyone an explanation.

          Go take your bullying attitude somewhere else.  Sounds like you had a bad day and just needed to vent on somebody.  Unfortunately I got to be your target.

          End of further discussion since you continue to behave in an uncivil manner and unproductive manner

          "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

          by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:51:38 PM PDT

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    •  As for what I've done (0+ / 0-)

      I don;t owe you any explanation.

      However, I canvassed in 2004 and was an Election Protection volunteer in 2004 in Cincinnati and Cleveland, respectively.  Since then my autoimmune disorder has worsened so now I only make phone calls.

      "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

      by Steven D on Wed Oct 31, 2012 at 02:41:32 PM PDT

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