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This is a group running ads in Florida, the 1830 Project. Literally, they advocate that America of 1830 was the best America that ever was and they want America to go back to that time.

That guy is Dr. Tom Trevisani, a cosmetic surgeon in Florida. Seriously. The go to boob job guy for Florida strippers is behind a group that wants America to go back to 1830. When only white guys with a lot of money could vote. When slavery kept America free. And America was a weak, agrarian country that was damn near completely lawless in the wake of the Louisiana Purchase (excepting those areas under Native American rule). They days when you could lynch a negro, murder a gay, a beat a wench without a big government getting in the way. When you could tell an Irishman he need't apply or a go slaughter a town full of Injuns. Only a guy who does boob jobs would know how good life was in 1830.

What makes it particularly crazy is that he actually thinks that young people would be receptive to his message. He actually thinks that today's globally connected more tolerant than ever young person actually is going to be convinced that his or her future rests on going back to the America of 1830. You know, before Abraham Lincoln did all that troubling stuff like creating all those government granted universities and changing the constitution to ensure equal protection of the law.

But you all need to know that there are a lot of nutcases like Tom Trevisani out there. These are the sorts of people that have become the modern Republican people. The 1980's, 1950's, or 1920's isn't far back enough. They literally think America from 1776 to 1860 was the best America that ever was and it has been downhill ever since. This is what we are up against. This is what we are fighting against. This, for everyone who was excluded from the American experiment in self government for so long, is why we can never compromise with these people.

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  •  up to 1830 was an AWESOME time in AMerica1!!1! (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave in Northridge, jts327

    fuck yeah!!!

    (okay, that's maybe not what he had in mind, but I love that book and I love that cover)

  •  always nuts (3+ / 0-)
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    Dave in Northridge, G2geek, tardis10

    There are always nuts and crazies like this.  The Internet has let them get organized

    We have no desire to offend you -- unless you are a twit!

    by ScrewySquirrel on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:17:17 AM PST

  •  "We don't want no "big brother government takin' (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave in Northridge, tardis10

    our money and running indoor plumbin' in our houses.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:20:26 AM PST

  •  Before 1789, When States Had "Rights" and "Sov- (1+ / 0-)
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    US Blues

    ereignty," terms that do not appear in the Constitution or any amendments, and when there was no promotion of the "general welfare" nor any "we the people."

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:20:26 AM PST

  •  In that case (4+ / 0-)

    He needs to give up his cell phone, car, all electronics. He can have a horse and buggy and an outhouse.

    You want to go back to that time then go all the way back. Tired of these asshats!

    The Spice must Flow!

    by Texdude50 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:22:05 AM PST

    •  and penicillin too, Doc... (3+ / 0-)

      no thanks.

      Get out there and get peace, think peace, live peace, and breathe peace, and you'll get it as soon as you like.” ~ John Lennon

      by Lady Libertine on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:23:23 AM PST

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    •  and his landline, electricity, indoor plumbing... (3+ / 0-)

      ... flush toilet, the toilet paper that went along with it (learn to use leaves!), weekly garbage collection (toss the stuff out the kitchen window into the back yard), vaccinations (what's a little measles among friends?), paved streets (high boots are not only stylish, they keep the horse shit off your pants), refrigeration (if you want fresh milk, get a cow), and most everything that has increased life span past the age of about fifty at most.  

      Election Protection: 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683). If you see something, say something. The incident you report could make all the difference!

      by G2geek on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:28:08 AM PST

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      •  No pure food laws. (2+ / 0-)
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        Texdude50, G2geek

        If you didn't have your cow, milk wasn't safe to drink, fresh or not. Big early selling point for evaporated milk.

        Leaves? Corncobs - 2 red and a white (to check that you're done wiping).

        Really, this guy is beyond ridiculous. Unfortunately, he's not alone. Oh, and we know what he really wants - 1830 for us, 2012 for him.

        The working poor haven’t abdicated responsibility for their lives. They’re drowning in it. -Ezra Klein

        by bubbajim on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:36:04 AM PST

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        •  yep, I know about those... (0+ / 0-)

          I've read the history of milk processing in the US, including the stuff about pasteurization and tuberculosis and dairy sanitation and all the rest of it.  And the milk I buy has no r-BST in it, and comes from an oldschool dairy about 40 miles from here (Clover Stornetta Dairies, Sonoma County California).   (See also Strauss Farms ice cream, which is so good you'd think it was illegal!)

          I knew about corn cobs but figured the rhetorical flow would be smoother by just saying "leaves" because everyone understands that.  However I never knew about "two red and a white."

          And all'z I can say is, sanitation + vaccination = civilization, and I'm sure glad to live at a time when there's potable drinking water from the kitchen and bathroom faucets, and flu shots available at every pharmacy, and all the rest of it.  

          Election Protection: 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683). If you see something, say something. The incident you report could make all the difference!

          by G2geek on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 08:39:46 AM PST

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    •  And silicon... (1+ / 0-)
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      Richard Cranium

      "Good to be here, good to be anywhere." --Keith Richards

      by bradreiman on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 07:31:16 AM PST

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  •  They'd have to give up their glock 9's and go (2+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, coloradocomet

    back to flintlocks.
    The cap and ball wasn't invented until 1839.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:23:45 AM PST

  •  Yup, the 1830s was a good era (2+ / 0-)
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    Debs2, Dave in Northridge

    for cosmetic breast enhancements.

    And a little known fact is that men also went in for the treatment big time - starting the phrase "man boobs" - but for this guy, the key is that business would be doubled.

    So yeah, why not literally go back to then?  Perhaps they can get that time machine from Leonard & Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory.  That should literally transport them back.

  •  Well, I think uppity women are a big (1+ / 0-)
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    problem, don't you? :) As big a problem in my book as uppity negroes who don't know their place. Yeah, let's go back to slavery. That's a great idea.

    Kidding aside, what a jackass. What gets me every time about this garbage, is the incredible tone-deafness of people promoting it. He spent these bucks to make an ad because he really thought lots of people would be receptive to his message? Young people? Wow.

    Time was, the RW had the message discipline. They had the winning message, one that spoke to the hearts and concerns of the every-day voter. Clearly, those days are long-gone. Today their political brand is in very serious trouble.

    Thanks for the diary.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:31:48 AM PST

  •  Actually, they figuratively want to go back. (2+ / 0-)
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    ConfusedSkyes, Roadbed Guy

    If they 'literally' wanted to go back to 1830, that would be them embracing science and attempting time travel, and that just won't happen.

    We're already, literally, moving through time, forward, microsecond, by microsecond. So time travel is, literally happening, but moving back in time is only a figurative thing at this stage of technology, if it is even truly possible at all in the figurative sense we see in television, movies and other entertainment media.

    If they did somehow, literally, find a way to go back to 1830, we'd want to stop them, because they would change the past to influence the future and that, literally, and figuratively, would be a bad thing.

    -6.38, -6.21: Lamented and assured to the lights and towns below, Faster than the speed of sound, Faster than we thought we'd go, Beneath the sound of hope...

    by Vayle on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:34:03 AM PST

    •  It seems that you are still under the impression (0+ / 0-)

      that "literally" and "figuratively" have separate meanings.

      My favorite example to rebutt that idea is when I was watching the NFL a couple years ago and the announcer stated that some guy was "literally flying down the sidelines" - they even showed a replay and to my he wasn't literally flying at all.   But's that just me, and perhaps a few other old timers like me.

  •  Hm (1+ / 0-)
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    Cell, phone, car, electronics.  He also will have to give up conventions in Miami and Las Vegas, neither of which existed in 1830. Those people who are 18-21? Nope, couldn't vote then either, even the young men.  As for Emerson, here's Wikipedia:

    The first hint of the philosophy that would become Self-Reliance was presented by Emerson as part of a sermon in September 1830 a month after his first marriage.[1] His wife Ellen was sick with tuberculosis[2] and, as Emerson's biographer Robert D. Richardson wrote, "Immortality had never been stronger or more desperately needed!"[1] She died at the age of 19 on February 8, 1831.

    From 1836 into 1837, Emerson presented a series of lectures on the philosophy of history at Boston's Masonic Temple. These lectures were never published separately but many of his thoughts in these were later used in "Self-Reliance" and several other essays.[3] Later lectures by Emerson led to public censure of his radical views, the staunch defense of individualism in "Self-Reliance" being a possible reaction to that censure.[4]

    Self-Reliance was first published in his 1841 collection, Essays: First Series.

    GRASPING AT STRAWS. By that token, Melville "wrote" Moby Dick when he boarded the Acushnet in 1841. Wanker.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent, and we are all Wisconsin.

    by Dave in Northridge on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:34:28 AM PST

  •  AYFKM?? (0+ / 0-)

    Is this guy snorting silicone?  He's distinguishing himself
    as the Moran of the Hour in a huge field of contenders!
    He needs to hop a covered wagon and ride.

  •  Gives "boob job" a whole new meaning. (2+ / 0-)
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    dougymi, Dave in Northridge

    Or rather a new lease on life for one of the meanings of "boob" from former times. Say around 1830 or so...

    And by the way, I wonder if Dr. Genius realizes that if he had his way, he'd have to go into another line of work. Just sayin'.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 06:44:21 AM PST

    •  exactly my first thought (2+ / 0-)
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      billmosby, Dave in Northridge

      He gonna get a new job?  He gonna give up his house and electricity, indoor plumbing, his car(s), air conditioning and so many other amenities that if he gave up, he'd die?   Interior South Florida in 1830 was practically uninhabitable because of the heat and humidity.

      A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

      by dougymi on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 07:08:57 AM PST

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  •  Oh fer corn's sake! (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm sure his patients would love to undergo surgery without anesthesia...

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Tue Nov 06, 2012 at 09:39:18 AM PST

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