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A new diary on Red State details the predicament of the GOP. Do they throw social conservatism and the socially conservative minority vote off the platform?  Do they toss fiscal conservatism out in favor or pragmatism and socially conservative policies?  

What it really comes down to: How do they change something the citizenry are increasingly unwilling to vote for without alienating the core groups and compromising any potential gains made?  I'd not wager on those core, socially conservative constituencies sticking around unless the whole party went mute on the subjects... and given the frequency on which questions on marriage equality, medical choice and freedoms, and faith arise a constant silence would be damaging.

They'll try something prior to the next election.  They will adjust and come out with some new scheme in the House to try and get back into the good graces of independent voters.  We need to be one step ahead of them, or at the very least laughing our asses off as they stumble every which way but forward spinning off splinter parties here, there, and everywhere.

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  •  They've got a political philosophy that puts (3+ / 0-)

    them in a metaphoric tunnel. They can't turn around or even veer slightly off course. And they see a light ahead and by gum they're going to head toward that light at the end of that tunnel. What they refuse to accept is that light is an oncoming train. It's going to get REALLY ugly when they figure that out. Or even if they don't figure it out. Basically they've got to get out of the tunnel. I wish them all the best on that, really. As Rachael Maddow said, this country works best with two sane parties who might disagree but can recogonize problems and offer actual, albeit different, solutions to those problems. But "burn down the house" is not a solution to "the garbage cans need to be emptied" or "the toilet is clogged" and that's the sort of "solutions" the Republicans of today are offering.

    To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 09:22:42 PM PST

  •  Slander & Lies Didn't Work For Them This Time..... (1+ / 0-)
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    They have been gobsmacked w/ a new reality.  No one thinks they are the defenders.....Barack Obama took care of Osama bin Laden, not them.  He's kept us safe for 4 years.....not them.

    The country has wised up.  People do their own research.  They don't depend on newspapers & cable TV to find out how to think.....except for FOX viewers.'s not only Independent voters anymore.  It's all voters they have to woo.  They can't make it anymore w/ their old white guys & the Tea Bagger yahoos.  It's a changed country.  People expect something for their vote not just more obstruction & dawdling.

    All politicians have been put on notice.  

  •  While I'm not complacent, I suspect that the (1+ / 0-)
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    sceptical observer

    sweeping wave of Republican teabagger conservatism is crashing up against the imposing redoubtable rocky promontory of long-time core American values.  The Republican stock in trade to achieve success has always been to create bite-sized memes that seem to speak to those values while actually representing some other entire different thing.  While they have failed to win that game this time, I don't doubt that the smart kids in their ranks will figure out Some New Thing to serve as the basis for their continual efforts to stage a hostile takeover of the country....

    ...there will undoubtedly be something, somewhere down the line that will be an opening for them, so - yes - we need to try to stay one step ahead with cogent, easily understandable talking points to counter whatever raw strange attack points they cook up next...

    "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    by Jack K on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 09:37:23 PM PST

  •  Given the make-up of the party... (2+ / 0-)
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    and its track record over the last three decades, the notion that Republicans might cast off social conservatives is roughly tantamount to the notion that Democrats might tell organized labor to fuck off.  Would the Republican base constitute more than 10% of the electorate without social conservatives?

  •  He has a kernel there. (1+ / 0-)
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    I do think if the GOP would give an inch on fiscal conservatism and demonizing immigrants there are those who would not care so much about gay marriage and women's rights.

    But I don't see how they balance all of the angels on the pin. Much of the base sees fiscal conservatism as part of their religion (not because of any biblical basis,  but because they've been taught to equate the two.) And then there is part of their base that really does believe brown people are the problem. So, how to mix all of these sort of crazy people and expand? This is not a short-term fix.

    by Magenta on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 09:50:40 PM PST

  •  Social conservatives would see any moderation (0+ / 0-)

    as selling out to the Devil. They believe...and nothing short of an epiphany is going to change their minds.  They think they're in a war for civilization and would rather go down in flames than admit they might be wrong.

    The other wings of the party would probably like to throw them under the bus but they're the passion that drives turnout. People aren't going to turn out for big business or country-club Republicans and the jingoism of the past is losing it's punch as people tire of endless war and it's costs.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 10:04:54 PM PST

  •  For one thing, Republicans should get off ... (0+ / 0-)

    the anti-abortion bandwagon.  If their "god" has a problem with the concept, he should be the one to deal with it.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

    by Neuroptimalian on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 10:34:13 PM PST

  •  Got my fingers crossed for splinter group spin-off (0+ / 0-)

    They've got the 1% ultra wealthy robber barons aka Wall Street, the racist keep the blacks down and the barbarians out, the Jesus freaks and anti abortionists, the homophobes, the destroy the safety netters, and the deficit reductionists. Did I leave anyone out?

    Of the lot, the deficit reductionists are who we should be talking too. Hey, we want to reduce the deficit too, just not do it all over the week-end. Gradual, balanced deficit reduction is the way to go.

    the Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

    by vlyons on Thu Nov 08, 2012 at 11:56:02 PM PST

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