Skip to main content says NASA may soon announce a return to the moon

I'd like to step outside of my usual science-y role here and deliver a frank message to CEOs and small business owners. If you survived the Great Recession, you've obviously done some things right. Well done, and grats! But the fact is, in a brutal recession, you were in driver's seat in terms of labor. You could pick and choose among the cream of the crop for rock-bottom, bargain wages. trust me, that's going to end next year. So if you have the wherewithal, it makes business sense to pony up now and retain and/or attract the higher performing employees who will carry your business to ever greater profitability in the expanding earnings environment ahead. Make no mistake: companies that do it first will be able to pick and choose among the best and brightest at reasonable wages. The companies that drag their feet might end up fighting over the scraps left behind for premium pay. Your choice.

  • What I wrote above was a nice way to say it. A more blunt way, everyone from Fortune 500 corps to mom and pop businesses have been spoiled fucking rotten on wages by the recession. So take a good long look at the kind of epic failure that could be in store for you -- unless you pull your head out and pony up a living wage for those who bust their asses to preserve your bloated salaries.
  • I have posted graphics of the election by sex, religion, and education vs state. Oh and wingnut dumbasses, unskewing polls screwed you royally, whereas Nate Silver was freaking right.
  • Hey Beck, what happened to the God you claimed didn't want Obama to win? And while we’re on the topic, if you’re really going to blame a hurricane, wouldn’t you be blaming an Act of God for Obama's victory?
  • Can we get the House Science Committee back in the hands of people who know what science is, or will conservative nutcases simply appoint more know-nothing losers to take the place of those who have been invited out of office by voters? Or will it really be the dino fart joker?
  • Will we simply lynch the people who lied us into discounting climate change for 30 pieces of silver, or just shame their name for generations to come?
    In the wake of superstorm Sandy, climate change is on a lot of people's radar. By some accounts, warmer ocean temperatures intensified the hurricane as it plowed up the Gulf Stream, and rising seas may have exacerbated flooding. Now, a new climate-change study in the journal Science says warming is here to stay. And future warming will likely be on the high side of predictions, the researchers conclude.
  • Speaking of climate change, and jobs, and elections, White House, DNC, what have you, please, we're begging you guys and gals: Utilize US! Use us for more than a piggy bank. I first heard of Nate Silver when he was posting elections forecasts under a screen name in honor of a hot pepper on this site, and he's one of many. There are undiscovered, passionate people with expertise on almost any subject you can think of here in the member section of Daily Kos, and on many, many, many other progressive sites. For crying out loud, USE US!

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:00 AM PST.

Also republished by SciTech.


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  •  Oh (38+ / 0-)

    one more thing exec geniuses: I know you're all in gaga love with automated web responses for customer service. It' so so cheap!

    What you don't know, can't measure, and can't seem to gwrap your bloated salaries around is how much business you lose because of them. If I have questions about a product, can't find a faq that talks about it and can't get a human being to answer them, even by email, daddio I just move on to your competitor. This especially goes out to the newish AV software called ESET, you guys have a class A Orca level fucking idiot advising you on CS.

    •  Trouble is, the competition does the same (13+ / 0-)

      Anybody who gets a human on the phone is liable to faint from sheer amazement these days. This is why job growth is so sluggish...the market rewards those can squeeze the most profit out of limited revenue, which means finding all kinds of creative ways to eliminate jobs. Of all the lies spouted by Republicans, private business="job creators" was the biggest.

      "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

      by Alice in Florida on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:33:59 AM PST

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    •  I am very curious: When did you become an econo- (0+ / 0-)

      mist?  Do you have any particularly insightful data with respect to the expanding economy, or is this just a rant?

      I've seen Dawkins become a particle physicist

      and Krauss become a philosopher

      if you are becoming an economist it may just all be too much.

      Please cite your data sources on the economy.

      4π^3 + π^2 + π

      by Boris49 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:25:29 AM PST

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    •  I especially love (NOT) (0+ / 0-)

      companies that try to hide from their customers by not publishing an email address on their website.

      And then there are those wonderful voice menus on the service phone line: "Press 1 if you're left-handed, press 2 if you're right-handed" and on and on ad infinitum. It seems like the whole point is to create the appearance of offering customer service while actually trying to make you so frustrated that you hang up.

      Most businesses have a lot to learn about service.

      What is valued is practiced. What is not valued is not practiced. -- Plato

      by RobLewis on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:00:12 AM PST

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  •  "Lynch"? Really? (4+ / 0-)

    I think you ought to consider an edit there. Shame.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:07:54 AM PST

  •  Hey Glenn Beck, Where Is Your God Now? (6+ / 0-)

    He's such a prankster

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:13:51 AM PST

  •  Science Lab Astronomical Station (4+ / 0-)

    I think a science station with telescope -- land based Hubble is feasible -- a combination robotic and manned mission. If this is going to happen then James Cameron - Steven Spielberg need to be put in charge of the NASA TV channel. This is absolutely the most boring, least exciting waste of TV time. It will inspire and excite no one, certainly not the next generation.  Dish Network's static sat-shot of Earth is far more entertaining.

    The past, present, and future are equally compelling; none of the three are easily understood.

    by Grey Panther on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:17:07 AM PST

  •  I too am disgusted (14+ / 0-)

    with automated CS. I have a new phone and received a text message that my address had been changed on my account. So I call the phone company only to get the automated bullshit. No option to address my text message that they left me, nor an option to speak with a human being.

    Have you tried calling your local government offices lately?
     Ha! They too use automated CS. It took me ten days before an actual human being called me back after leaving a message. WTF are there folks doing down at the courthouse that they can't answer the darn phone? And then it takes then 10 days to call you back?

    On a happier note, there are two owls outside chatting with each other. They have been since about 4:00 a.m.

    A cool photo

    Halloween Pumpkin Pictures, Images and Photos

    Good morning!

    "the Devil made me buy this dress!" Flip Wilson as Geraldine Jones

    by BlueJessamine on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:18:15 AM PST

  •  Team Romney (9+ / 0-)

    ...failed to learn the Jurassic Park Moral:

    "If you don't pick your programmers well and pay them enough, a T-rex will come and eat your guests/voters."

    Or an Orca/sewer rate, but that would be the "Free Willard" moral.

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:21:42 AM PST

  •  For (3+ / 0-)

    those who have worked throughout the Depression with pathetic/flat wages, I certainly hope that you are right. Living Wage just has such a great ring.

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:23:36 AM PST

    •  I note over at the Atlantic online, in the comment (3+ / 0-)
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      section, GOP stalwarts are denying that there is a working poor.  They are claiming that no one who has a job needs food stamps or MCD or free school lunches.  They are also griping about the EIC and how St Ronnie brought prosperity to the nation for 20 years and the EIC has eroded that prosperity.  Irony is Ronnie signed EIC into law

  •  Moon? Really? Where's the moolah? No Dinero (1+ / 0-)
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    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:26:02 AM PST

    •  no worries; Newt left us plans for a moon colony (3+ / 0-)
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      and for mining Mars.  He can't be wrong; he's a genius.  We know this because he told us so and he is a genius, you know

    •  NASA already has the budget (8+ / 0-)

      and it is a tiny, tiny portion of the federal budget. Honestly, the things NASA does with the pitence we give them is nothing short of miraculous. The last time NASA had much more than 1% of the federal budget we put boots on the moon.

      This isn't a big slice of the pie that is preventing us from supporting other programs, this is a vital program that supports research, development, innovation and jobs right here in America. We could do a hell of a lot worse with 2 or 3% of the federal budget than to spend it at NASA. Especialy considering the eventual necessity of expanding human civilization beyond Earth. It's always risky to keep all your eggs in one basket.

      "Ruin comes when the trader, whose heart is lifted up by wealth, becomes ruler" - Plato, Republic

      by sixeight120bpm on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:04:09 AM PST

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  •  warming here to stay (10+ / 0-)
    Now, a new climate-change study in the journal Science says warming is here to stay. And future warming will likely be on the high side of predictions, the researchers conclude.
    Back in 1992 -at the ripe young age of 22- I was knocking on doors as a Greenpeace canvasser. back then climate scientists were saying we had about a decade to reverse what we were doing or we would face pretty much everything that is happening now.

    hey, what the fuck did we know.  Stupid DFHs.

  •  I vote like a person of color! (4+ / 0-)

    now if I could just get a tan - sigh.

  •  Perhaps it's just me, (4+ / 0-)

    but I'm pretty disappointed in the Orion program as presented in the video. We did pretty much the same thing 40+ years ago. We should be able to do it differently and better now.

  •  had a dream last night that a movement (4+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, TexMex, peggy, enhydra lutris

    started in my state to replace all science texts with the Bible.  yep just burn all science texts on all levels and mandate that all science teachers and profs could only use the Bible as their texts and could teach noting that contradicts anything in the Bible.

    This morning I mused about doing such a thing, for the giggles and also to point out some of the silly season legislation we can expect from our elected officials in the coming year.

    I immediately discarded the idea, because it occurred to me that I could very easily be successful in today's toxic environment regarding science education.  even worse, such a campaign might mean I could be elected to public office in my state

  •  "trust me, that's going to end next year." (3+ / 0-)
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    Really wondering what you're basing that on.

    •  Experience (1+ / 0-)
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      professional and personal. I've been through about six of these now, three of them as a financial analyst, and that's usually what happens. The last time we came out of a deepish recession comparoable to this one, within three years tech companies were calling up juniors in college here in Ausitn and begging them to quit and go to work full time like a degreed gaduate. Of course when the shit hit they were the first laid off ..

      •  Krugman might not agree (0+ / 0-)

        As I understand him and Brad DeLong (dimly), without a financial boost from  Congress- like rehiring all those laid off teachers and firefighters- we may be facing a 'lost decade' like Japan. He says that the fiscal meltdown was like the Great Depression, and digging out will be tougher.

        What do you think? With one econ semester, back when Keyneseans walked the Earth, I can parrot this stuff, but not much more.

        Conservation is green energy

        by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:12:37 AM PST

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  •  RE: the article (3+ / 0-)
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    It looks like we get a moonbase, and don't even have to make Newt Gingrich the Moonking!

    very exciting stuff, earth/moon L2 could provide some interesting posabilities as far as establishing a permanent present in deep space.

    "Ruin comes when the trader, whose heart is lifted up by wealth, becomes ruler" - Plato, Republic

    by sixeight120bpm on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:33:52 AM PST

  •  permanent presence* (3+ / 0-)
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    also, possibility*

    I am bad at typing.

    "Ruin comes when the trader, whose heart is lifted up by wealth, becomes ruler" - Plato, Republic

    by sixeight120bpm on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:35:30 AM PST

  •  exit polls by region (3+ / 0-)
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    Great diary.  Has anyone seen exit polls broken down by region?  Pre election predictions were that Obama would do particularly bad among souther white men.  Do the exit polls verify that?

  •  bad link- Nat. Geographic-climate change n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    Conservation is green energy

    by peggy on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:43:42 AM PST

  •  Hooray for science! what a relief this week has (4+ / 0-)

    been for those of concerned about the NSF and NIH and NOAA etc etc!!!

    And thankfully climate change is taking a front seat in discussions....

    but we still have a way to go...husband hung up on a sister the other day -she was ranting that climate change was a pile of hooey.....he couldn't take it...

    "You've got to stop this war in Afghanistan." final words of R Holbrooke

    by UTvoter on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:47:04 AM PST

  •  What a logical observation on labor markets. (4+ / 0-)

    Surprising that I've not heard it before in the business press.

    Pardon our dust. Sig line under renovation.

    by Crashing Vor on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:51:43 AM PST

  •  NASA manned spaceflight is getting exciting again. (4+ / 0-)

    And what's really exciting is that there are two programs unfolding simultaneously, both of which to some extent benefit each other and back each other up in case one of them slips in schedule: The SLS/Orion by NASA, and SpaceX's evolution of Dragon and the Falcon Heavy.

    "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

    by Troubadour on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:52:28 AM PST

  •  DarkSyde,"Utilize US!" REALLY? (2+ / 0-)
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    Yesterday I posted an early morning Diary.
    It took a while to show up in right hand column on front page.
    It accrued some 14
    comments when in
    only a few hours it was gone.
    Indeed it seemingly
    was deep sixed while I was in the midst of responding
    to a commenter.
    Maybe my Diary was only pure dreck but what is the point of asking
    people to use DK
    when what is written & posted
    barely is allowed a
    chance to be read & responded to?
    I say this in the face of the same Diaries being listed in several places on the same page & also, on occasion on the previous & next pages thus taking up a lot of posting
    space often without any additional information being supplied.
    UR comment would
    B appreciated.

  •  Regarding the L2 Point (2+ / 0-)
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    Does NASA have any indication about how much space junk (rocks, ice, etc) might be gathered at that point in space?

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:06:27 AM PST

  •  Climate change is happening (2+ / 0-)
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    The Marti, enhydra lutris

    whether we want to "believe" in it or not.  Sad part is that the subtle work to bring down CO2 levels, which would have made a fairly comfortable transition to a more sustainable lifestyle, won't work.  We just don't have the time it takes to slowly turn the CO2 meter down, that was way yesterday.  Now it's all about mitigation and risky geoengineering, with a lot of suffering in the meantime.  

    I used to think that the 1980 and 1984 elections were the most important elections in the history of the human race, mainly because of the nuclear threat hanging over our heads.
    That still may be so, with massive population shifts and fighting over scarce resources like potable water and lack of sustainable food (after all we are still in the same mental frame of chopping down that last tree, in terms of fossil fuels).  

    I will be very lucky if I am alive ten years from now; I never expected I would see climate change make the impact it already has.  Ten years from now it is going to get very scary.

  •  Mitt Romney concedes Florida (5+ / 0-)

    If we don't get a handle on global warming and sea level rise sometime soon - We'll all be conceding Florida. To the Atlantic Ocean.

    Perhaps one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:13:46 AM PST

  •  Thanks DarkSyde (3+ / 0-)
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    The Marti, Aunt Pat, enhydra lutris

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:18:20 AM PST

  •  So good to see science coming to the fore! (2+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat, enhydra lutris

    Maybe we can finally put an end to the idiocy that science isn't 'real' or doesn't matter.

    Can we get the House Science Committee back in the hands of people who know what science is, or will conservative nutcases simply appoint more know-nothing losers to take the place of those who have been invited out of office by voters? Or will it really be the dino fart joker?
    There should never again be a person on the HSC who doesn't know and understand hard science.  EVER.

    Great diary!


    We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

    by The Marti on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:24:18 AM PST

  •  Shut deniers up with this animated GIF graphic (1+ / 0-)
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    The animated GIF file can be viewed/downloaded here:

    Below is some information that explains what is going on in that animation.

    First, a bit of background info -- off and on, I've been playing around with the global temperature data that NASA  and NOAA use to compute global-average temperature estimates. ( I wrote software to compute my own global-average temperature results, implementing a seriously "dumbed down" version of the NOAA gridding/averaging routine.)

    I've found that it's amazingly easy to replicate the NASA global-warming trend from that data.  I've also found that it's amazingly easy to debunk all of the major denier claims about the global temperature data.  

    Warming caused by UHI ("Urban Heat Island")?  Crunch rural and urban temperature data separately, and you get nearly identical results.  So UHI is not responsible for the warming.

    Warming the result of data "homogenization"?  Raw and adjusted (aka "homogenized") data produce very similar results -- once you've averaged together more than a handful of stations, the data adjustments largely cancel each other out.

    Warming due to the "dropped temperature stations" effect? (If you are unfamiliar with this particular claim, just google up "dropped temperature stations" to see how bogus it is).   Watts and others claim that the global warming trend is skewed because only 1500 of the 6000+ stations used by NASA/NOAA are currently reporting data in "real time".  Well, I found that you can replicate the NASA/NOAA global warming trends with just a few dozen stations.  So 1500 stations is way more than you need.  

    After thinking about it a bit, I came up a simple graphic that basically debunks all of the above claims in a single shot.

    What I did was to compute global-average temperature results from randomly-selected rural stations (scattered around the globe), starting with one station, and then updating the results one random station at a time.  I did this for both raw and "homogenized" data.   I plotted up my results (global-avg temps for 1 station, then for two stations averaged together, then for 3 stations averaged together, then for 4, .... up to 40 stations).  I then merged the plots into a single animated GIF file.  

    Once again, the file can be viewed/downloaded here:

    Here's an explanation what the animation shows.

    There are two data plots in the animation.  

    The upper plot shows my global average temperature results computed from raw and "homogenized" data, starting with 1 station and going up to 40.  My own raw results are shown in red.  My own "homogenized" results are shown in green.  The official NASA results are included for comparison purposes, and are shown in blue.

    The lower plot shows how many of the selected stations actually reported data for any given year.  I found this plot to be important because most stations don't have a continuous data record for the entire 1880-present period.  

    For example, in my "40 stations" results, 15 or fewer of the selected stations actually reported data prior to 1900.  (Note: Stations that report data for a given year may not have data for all months of that year.  I take that into account -- a station that reports data for 6 months out of a year gets counted as "half a station" in my calculations.)

    As you watch the animation, note how quickly the global-warming signal emerges from the data.  Note how quickly the raw and homogenized results converge to each other and to the official NASA results.

    My animation debunks the denier UHI claims because I use only rural stations.  It also debunks the claims about data "homogenization" because I show the results for both raw and homogenized data.  And it debunks the "dropped stations" claim because I use only a few dozen stations.

    Please feel free to share the animated graphic with co-workers/friends/family who have doubts about the validity of the NASA/NOAA global-temperature work.

  •  They have learned nothing (0+ / 0-)

    Look at all the CEOs stating they're not going to hire people, will start laying people off, and are going into 'survival mode' because Obama won.

    Romney lost in large part because he and his people believed their own bullshit. It looks like that's what you get from experience in the business world, where denying reality seems to be a requirement for executive management, along with being an arrogant entitled asshole. That and CYA crisis management.

    There is something very wrong with the business sector these days. But then, you'd think people might have started to realize that after 8 years of an MBA president presiding over one clusterfuck after another.

    Anyone who claims experience in business automatically qualifies someone to run government is blowing smoke up their own ass.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:35:54 AM PST

  •  darksyde, help me out (2+ / 0-)
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    I have the good fortune to live in the state where Senator John Hoeven personally put the Bakken oil formation under the western half of the state (or so he says.) I have a (very) small, science-y-based business that has thrived, is growing, and is already trying to do what you suggest.  Although, I assure you that we do not have bloated salaries, but this mom and pop doing okay.  We posted an entry level position last spring and got 200 resumes from all over the country, most of whom were way, way, way over qualified, Ph.d.s and Fulbrights, even.  We went with someone (from Chicago) who we thought had a slight chance of sticking around if the economy turned.  So far, so good.  Now we're working on recruiting stellar senior people, all of whom appear to have a bit of gold rush mentality, these people are not settling for anything.  I agree, things will be different a year from now.   Anyway, my point is, don't you think there is a category of CEO's out there, (isn't there?), in the world, who aren't taking Bain-like advantage of their employees.  At our little shop we offer well-above industry average wages, health care, retirement matching, flex time, and other company paid benefits, like life and disability insurance, etc., because it is the right thing to do.   We can't be the only ones!   So my request is:  where are the progressive business owners, like George Soros and George Soros  (I kid, I kid,) who will step forward and show this country the way to go?  Lead.  Or work with us to figure it out?  How do we do this?  Where are the big dogs?  I live in such a red state that progressive business people generally keep their heads down and their mouths shut. I'd be hard pressed to identify five.  Could you please point me in the direction of some entity or person(s) who do what you have suggested, on this and other business issues? I think the progressive world has to reclaim, or stake claim on, the business world.  Reframe the message, if you will, that business owners, aren't by definition, all evil, greedy bastards.  I have been following New Media Ventures, and the companies that form under their programs, but I have no idea if they are treating their employees right.  Ideas?    

  •  About God Two hurricanes or one hurricane (1+ / 0-)
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    and one Frankenstorm.  If there is a God, well I shouldn't really say that.  What I should say is that if i believed in aGod, it was distinctly personal and had something to do with human inventiveness.  I never believed in a God that
    had much to do with human affairs.  And then came Hurricane Isaac which threw the Republicans off their game for their convention and then Sandy the Frankenstorm, the weekend before the election: whatever you say about the polls before hand, what the storm gave not just Obama, but Christie and Bloomberg some strong messages and of course gave Obama the chance to do what he does so well, show up.
    Now to imagine a deity that would put destroy the lives of millions of people just to influence an election is  probably immoral, nonetheless if I were the sort of person who believed in a god, and a god who would subject the people of the earth to a disaster of biblical proportions such as Noah suffered, or the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, then I might believe that this God was not going to put up with a victory for the money changers any longer.   I might believe, if put carefully, that the message from God was to do exactly what people did, return the proper leader to the leadership position and further point out to the rest of us the mess we are making of the earth of which we are supposed to be the stewards.

    WE must hang together or we will all hang separately. B.Franklin

    by ruthhmiller on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:06:02 AM PST

  •  What struck me about that video (0+ / 0-)

    is how much more space junk this experiment and an follow-ups will leave out there.  The past few years we've heard more and more about the problems that space-junk poses so I'm a little surprised that there wouldnt be more of an effort to reduce the amount of stuff being left up there.

  •  A remark on Daily Kos and climate change. (1+ / 0-)
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    In fact, the official Daily Kos position on climate change is rather absurd.

    About the only thing that the leaders here get right is that climate change is real.

    Other than that very, very, very, very, very, very modest embrace of the obvious, the position here is frankly, very, very, very, very, very, very conservative and is involved with the 50 year old failed rhetoric that all we need to do is coat some glass with toxic cadmium telluride, and build wind turbines made out of unsustainably mined lanthanides and we'll live happily ever after, driving around in our Tesla electric cars.

    Oh yes, and then there's that magic "conservation" rhetoric, this on a planet where 2 billion people have never seen or used a flushable toilet.    

    I have heard the whining here about the "climate irresponsibility" of China and India, where the citizens had the gall to raise their per capita energy consumption to roughly 1/10th and 1/20th of Americans.

    What if we tried to give those two billion people toilets.   I predict that it would be the same as when Indians and Chinese refused to remain impoverished to avoid smug lectures from self declared "environmental" Americans.

    All of this borders on delusional.    It's bourgeois rhetoric that is a clear denial of reality.    It's so bad, that it rivals the rhetoric of the Romney campaign.

    The time for action on climate change passed 20 years ago.   Nothing will be done, and all the chanting on this website for the next four years will be as meaningless as it proved to be in the last decade.    Right now, in 2012, we are well on track to produce one of the 10 worst years ever observed at Mauna Loa for carbon dioxide increases.  

    I had a hurricane come through my town a week ago, and if nothing else, it gave me a real, real, real, real obvious taste of what is now inevitable.

    This is an anti-nuke website.   Every single front pager is an anti-nuke, although some claim not to be, before finishing up their disclaimers with a list of fraudulent anti-nuke rhetoric, including the howler that "nuclear energy is dangerous."   Compared to what, exactly?    Driving cars?   Inundating major cities with sea water?   Temperatures of 40oC/100oF for weeks on end during vast continental scale droughts in grain belts?

    If a reactor failed and killed as many people as will die in every half our period from air pollution, the crowd here would burn tens of thousands of tons of coal, gas and oil to run servers with mindless orgies of fear, ignorance and superstition.

    How do I know?    Look at Fukushima.   Has anyone died from radiation there yet?   By contrast, in the next half hour and every half hour that follows through the next decades to come, about 190 people will die from air pollution.

    But, um, nuclear power is "dangerous."

    Get real.

    I note, by the way, that neither the Secretary of Energy, a Nobel Laureate, nor the President, are rote anti-nukes.     Both have been strong supporters of nuclear energy, although hardly strong enough to make a difference.  Neither was the greatest scientist ever to serve in government, the last science Nobel Laureate to take an active role in politics - both as a diplomat and as an administrator of the Atomic Energy Commission - Democrat Glenn Seaborg, who oversaw and promoted the construction of about 70 of the 104 nuclear reactors that have served us so well these last decades.

    But it is too late to do anything serious about climate change, and any rhetoric emerging from this website will merely make matters even worse and more dramatic than they have proved to be in the last decade, with major grain crop failures on every continent, including our own, and with weather disaster after disaster taking place like clockwork.    

    There is absolutely no will here to open science books and journals, learn what is going on, and do something.

    I am happy that our President was reelected of course, but I note that he didn't feel it incumbent upon himself to mention, even once, climate change during the campaign.   That the other guy would have been even worse is small comfort.

    The next decade in climate is going to make the last decade look like a walk in the park.    We're only beginning to see what is coming, but largely we're still clueless.

    It's done.   We're cooked.

    Have a nice weekend.  

  •  RE: ORCA (0+ / 0-)

    Ass hats never learn.  In 1988 the 100 year old company I was working for went bankrupt because they installed a new computer system for paying claims.  They execs bought the IT line that there was no need to run parallel systems for a few months until the bugs were worked out.  Needless to say, that was a very bad decision - we were paying claims by hand in the evenings to try to keep up (worked out for me because I made $1.50 per claim and salted it away for the inevitable crash.)

    Within 9 months the company was out of business.  

  •  I'm a CPA who was forced to "retire" early (0+ / 0-)

    for being ethical and too smart (according to one of my former supervisors).  If the DNC wants  a tax beancounter, I'm available.

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 12:06:33 PM PST

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