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Every once in a while, the spectre of Texas secession arises; as I understand it, despite the claims of various fringe groups out there, there is NO provision in the United States Constitution for a State's secession.

Now we have a report on the BBC that over 100,000 assorted idiots have contacted the White House to demand that the various States in which they live be allowed to secede.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/...

I've heard of sore losers, but this is utterly ridiculous!

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  •  Yayyyyy!!!!! (9+ / 0-)

    We no longer have to send our federal tax dollars to them, pay for their highways, medicare, medicaid, social security, catastrophic natural disasters.  And we can move more quickly to  renewable energy while they try to negotiate new contracts with foreign countries for their oil.  Oh, also too -- figure out how to reclaim or establish their water rights off their coast.

    Utterly stupid people who deserve to feel the damage of secession.  

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:33:50 PM PST

  •  Hell, we could probably get that many to (6+ / 0-)

    petition for a repeal of the law of gravity.

    •  They don't believe in gravity (2+ / 0-)
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      grover, radarlady

      Because it's all science-y and stuff. Also.

      "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

      by US Blues on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:50:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  there's no law of gravity (5+ / 0-)

      it's a theory.  Seriously.  Just like natural selection is a theory of evolution, gravity is a theory.  Worse, at least we know how natural selection works (through genetics).  We still have NO idea how gravity works, or why it even should.  We just know that it does, and can predict (by the theory of gravity) how much gravity any amount of mass will have, and what effects it will have on the objects in its gravitational field.

      Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

      by nominalize on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 09:03:01 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  And then there is the "Theory of Stupid". (3+ / 0-)
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        rbird, radarlady, MouseThatRoared

        'We still have NO idea how stupid works, or why it even should.  We just know that it does, and can predict (by the theory of stupid) how much stupid any amount of voters will have, and what effects it will have on the people in its gravitational field' (see RWR, FuxNooz, Nate Silver and 538 (hate to lump them in here but it's necessary for the proof).

        "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

        by Bluefin on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 09:55:08 PM PST

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  •  Not really. (9+ / 0-)

    More like the same people signing it over and over and for multiple states. Just a brief perusal of the first few rows of signatures says a lot. Each of these samples are the set of the first 16 signatures of each petition at the time I checked it maybe a half hour ago. For example:

    Pennsylvania first four rows: 9 from other states including Texas, Georgia and Illinois; 5 with no location listed, 1 says Pa. Petition creator's name says Pa as well.

    Nevada first four rows: 11 from other states, 4 with no location, and only the petition creator's name says Nevada.

    Delaware: 12 from other states, 3 without a location, only the petition creator's name says Delaware

    Arizona first four rows: 9 from other States, 2 with no location (and Meggan's name, that's the second one from her and I think Savannah as well), 5 actually from Arizona including the petition creator.

    Texas, the one that has reached the coveted 25,000 signitures: only 2 from other States and one with no location in the first four rows.  

    New York, I see 7 from other states (like Alabama, Florida, Arizona), and 3 with no location listed.

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:36:43 PM PST

  •  Total Defeat, Abject Surrender (6+ / 0-)

    Appomattox Courthouse.

    At least Lee left with dignity.

    •  Only because Grant let him. (1+ / 0-)
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      rbird

      "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

      by Bluefin on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 09:56:43 PM PST

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  •  asdf (7+ / 0-)

    The whole concept of asking the country that you want to secede from for permission to secede is completely batshit crazy in any universe. The fact that these morons don't get that is both hilarious and scary.

  •  100 K people didn't contact the Whitehouse. (1+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee

    They signed a petition. I'm sure the vast majority did this as a protest in the same way that it was done after Bush was elected (and it was done after Bush was elected)

    "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

    by voroki on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:38:46 PM PST

    •  However (1+ / 0-)
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      US Blues

      Maybe the secessionists can secede from their citizenship, and then self deport and take Mitt Romney with them.”

      There is no such thing as an off year election. Every election effects each other. We need to work as hard in 2014 as we did in 2012.

      by pollbuster on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:16:02 PM PST

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      •  Kolub beckons... (1+ / 0-)
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        rbird

        "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

        by Bluefin on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 09:57:56 PM PST

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  •  I'll help them pack. (8+ / 0-)

    I'll even hold the door so it doesn't hit them in the ass on the way out.

    It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?

    by happymisanthropy on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:41:55 PM PST

  •  Tell them all (2+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, Hohenzollern

    To move to Europe or even Canada.  Those in the South can go to Mexico.

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:56:43 PM PST

    •  As One Who Almost Did, It's Nearly Impossible for (2+ / 0-)
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      Bob Love, Nulwee

      most Americans.

      Whether it's us willing to let them go, or them wanting to run us out of the country, somebody has to negotiate some immigration treaties before most Americans can have the choice to move around. If you belonged to a British Commonwealth country there'd be many options.

      It's probably more likely to give them secession than mass emigration.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:02:39 PM PST

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    •  The South shall rise again.... (2+ / 0-)
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      Nulwee, bluezen

      Actually these people don't want to leave the continental U.S. they just want to bring back the ol' Confederacy.

  •  Before they started petitioning the (2+ / 0-)
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    emidesu, bluezen

    White House for permission to secede from the country, somebody started a petition to the White House to recount the votes. Never mind that it is the states that run the elections, the numbers behind their logic for in requesting the recount don't add up either. I wrote a diary about it a a couple of days ago: Republicans Fail at Arithmetic Again Trying to Claim Voter Fraud!

    “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

    by hungrycoyote on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 06:56:44 PM PST

  •  They could move to the Brownsville (3+ / 0-)
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    ShoshannaD, Alexandra Lynch, Nulwee

    (pop 175,000) area, say the southernmost part, buy out the current residents, and then slightly reroute the southern border. Job done.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:09:06 PM PST

    •  Doublecheck your map and demographics dude. (1+ / 0-)
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      bluezen

      Brownsville is in the Lower Rio Grande Valley of Texas, probably the most Democratic area in the state, ~90% Hispanic (the Valley, B'town is ~96%).
      You're probably thinking of the vast area between the Nueces and Rio Grande (which includes the RGV), it is still considered 'disputed' territory by some.

      "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

      by Bluefin on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 10:10:08 PM PST

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      •  Even better. Put 'em there and give it back. (0+ / 0-)

        Plus, relax, I was kidding anyway. Here, I'll put a "lol" on it.

        LOL

        Moderation in most things.

        by billmosby on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:55:38 AM PST

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        •  No prob, I know what you mean. It's just (1+ / 0-)
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          billmosby

          that the Valley used to be home, still have a lot of kin there and I doubt they need a bunch of carpetbaggin' teabaggers moving on in (not that I don't already know a few 'baggers there).

          "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

          by Bluefin on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 01:40:16 PM PST

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          •  My parents lived in Los Fresnos for a few years (0+ / 0-)

            in the late 70s. I visited the Commemorative Air Force "base" there then, although they still called it "Confederate" at the time. Nice area.

            Moderation in most things.

            by billmosby on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 02:59:47 PM PST

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            •  The Confederate Air Force HQ and most of (1+ / 0-)
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              billmosby

              the planes were at the Harlingen airport, (HRL) which was built as a WWII primary base with many smaller fields throughout the Valley. The CAF actually began at the old airfield in Mercedes with a few WWII pilots and a P-51. AIRSHO was always a great airshow (and when I lived near the airport practice week was too, helping out as a former member).
              Los Fresnos, and Bayview are interesting places, I know it well (it's always been a notorious speedtrap on Hwy 100).
              What is now Cameron County Airport East of LF/Bayview (PIL) is where the dumbass US Senator/would be pilot Jim Inhofe (R-OK, OhShit!)  illegally landed his plane on a closed, under construction,  runway; the workers had to scatter for their lives. His reaction to a major fuckup was pure Repuke 'personal responsibility'.
              PS: Sen. Inhofe is now 77 years old and apparently still flying the friendly skies over us.

              "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

              by Bluefin on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:36:59 PM PST

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  •  Maybe (4+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee, WFBMM, emidesu, rbird

    we should just let them "self-deport".

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:16:17 PM PST

  •  Uh...yeah...no... (5+ / 0-)
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    US Blues, kerplunk, Nulwee, emidesu, rbird

    We would just end up having to send foreign aid to these douche-bags.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke

    by rclendan on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:38:51 PM PST

  •  Splendid! Maybe getting rid of these Fed (1+ / 0-)
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    Hohenzollern

    teet suckers will lower my taxes!

    Good riddance.

    “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

    by WFBMM on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:04:14 PM PST

  •  It's the Hate-America Patriots! Welcome (3+ / 0-)
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    Hohenzollern, Nulwee, emidesu

    to the Egress!

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:07:05 PM PST

  •  If there was a place in the US (1+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee

    you'd be happy to part with, where would that be?  

    They can call it what they like, but in the same way that
    Deutschland = Germany
    Suomi = Finland
    Nihon = Japan

    You should do this:
    (whatever they call it) = Wingnuttia or:  
    Norquistia, Bachmannia, Rlyeh, Hell, Dumbf*ckistan, Limbaughland, Mordor, Coulteria, EastAllenWestburg ToddAkinistan...

    God be with you, Occupiers. God IS with you.

    by Hohenzollern on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:15:44 PM PST

  •  I have some mountains in Ouray, Colorado... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Hohenzollern, Nulwee

    ...I'd like to sell them.

  •  Aren't these the same people (5+ / 0-)
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    kerplunk, Nulwee, emidesu, Orlaine, bluezen

    that used the screech "America, Love It or Leave It!" a while back?  That should be  the ONLY response to these whack-a-doodles.

    I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 40 years!

    by liberalagogo on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:18:40 PM PST

    •  You mean the "Country First" ones? Also...even (1+ / 0-)
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      Orlaine

      Yeah, them.
      /snark

      "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

      by Bluefin on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 10:13:09 PM PST

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  •  Uganda (2+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee, bluezen

    would be a nice place for them to go.  I'm sure we can all cough up the expense for one-way tickets for them.  And they can be happy in a nice "we can kill gay people now" shit-hole of a country.

    I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 40 years!

    by liberalagogo on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:20:19 PM PST

  •  Get them the fuck out (4+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee, WFBMM, emidesu, Orlaine

    We don't want them now, and we won't want them later when they demand to be let back in.

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:47:51 PM PST

    •  These are the same people on social security (2+ / 0-)
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      TheOpinionGuy, Orlaine

      And Medicare but prop up a stars and bars flag in the back of their pick up  next to their gun rack drinking Lone Star beer saying "yew tell 'em Rush"to their radio and blame "godless lib'rils" for their problems.They rely on the guv'ment for their livlihood but want to seceed.Just like to know who will pay their cable bill then when their NASCAR is on and they can't view it!

  •  Meh. (3+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee, nominalize, grover

        100,000    
     310,000,000

  •  No secession, but treason should cut off voting (5+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee, TheOpinionGuy, WFBMM, emidesu, Orlaine

    Personally, I'd suggest that anyone who signs a secession petition is renouncing loyalty to the Constitution and the United States itself. If they want to continue to vote in local elections, I'm OK with that -- I think non-citizen residents should have that right. However, voting in Presidential elections is different. That's a privilege that belongs only to those who are and want to be citizens within the US. There ought to be a law....

    Coming Soon -- to an Internet connection near you: Armisticeproject.org

    by FischFry on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:54:55 PM PST

  •  An online petition? (3+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee, emidesu, SLKRR

    They should ask liberals how effective those are...  :)

    Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

    by nominalize on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 09:00:33 PM PST

  •  A test first. (1+ / 0-)
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    TheOpinionGuy

    Before they're allowed to secede, maybe they should be forced to test themselves in preparation for their life in an all conservative country.  All pop culture created by liberals is forbidden.  This means at least 95% of all television and movies and music would be banned.  Same with fiction and magazines.   Since most fashion comes from liberal designers, they'll be forced to dress in plain clothes, like the Amish.   Probably best to take away video games, too.  And computers since you don't want anyone exposed to liberal blogs or websites.  I'll be great.  They can have quilting bees and square dances and ice skating parties.  

  •  What I don't get is that about 20% of the (0+ / 0-)

    signers of the TEXAS White House secession petition list addresses not in Texas (or no address at all). So far 55,444 have signed it (still a drop in the commode as we Texans number about 28 million.

    So what is it:
    1. Too dumb to sign their own states' petition (must be 'baggers, eh?)?

    2. Non-Texans wishing to get rid of Texas?

    (Hey dammit, "3,294,482 41.36%" of us did vote for the good guys:
    Mitt Romney/ Paul Ryan REP 2,975,604 59.26% 4,555,857 57.20%
     Barack Obama/ Joe Biden - Incumbent DEM 1,993,636 39.70% 3,294,482 41.36% )

    "Double, double, toile and trouble; Fire burne, and Cauldron bubble... By the pricking of my Thumbes, Something wicked this way comes": Republicans Willkommen im Vierten Reich! Sie haben keine Bedeutung mehr.

    by Bluefin on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 09:47:04 PM PST

  •  The U.S. Supreme Court has squarely ruled (2+ / 0-)
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    Throw The Bums Out, emidesu

    it to be unconstitutional for a state to leave the union, in the wake of the bloody civil war that decided the question.

    The talk about this is just smoke and farting.

    •  Wrong, they only ruled that it is unconstitutional (0+ / 0-)

      for a state to unilaterally leave the union.  That very same ruling, Texas v. White specifically says that secession with the "consent of the States" is allowed though that was never defined.  Presumably the "consent of the States" could be granted by congress passing a law permitting a state to leave the union.  The only way to know for sure would be for both congress and a state to both pass laws permitting that state to secede and for someone with standing to file a lawsuit and get another Supreme Court ruling.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 10:32:39 PM PST

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      •  oh, the irony, if some senator like jeff sessions (0+ / 0-)

        or jim demint(ed) or mitch mcconnell introduced a bill to let his state secede -- which would put him out of a job!!!

      •  I don't have time to reread the entire decision, (0+ / 0-)

        but I don't think that is accurate.  

        There may be some dicta like that in the decision, perhaps in the dissent, and if it says what you claim, I assume it would refer to a constitutional amendment, not an act of congress.

        But the actual holding of the case is quite squarely in support of my point that a state may not leave the union.

        •  From Wikipedia, here are the relavent pieces. (0+ / 0-)

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the [state] legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null"
          Murray pp. 155-159.

          From the majority decision

          When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.
          Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868) at Cornell University Law School Supreme Court collection

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 11:35:14 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Please proceed, Texas. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Article 196. Health care is a right of all persons and an obligation of the State, guaranteed through social and economic policies that provide...universal and equitable access to programs and services....

    by SLKRR on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:26:33 AM PST

  •  Great! (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe the rest of us can finally continue into the 21st century without them in the way!

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