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Uganda will officially pass the ‘Kill The Gays’ bill at the end of this year despite international criticism.

Speaker Rebecca Kadaga said the anti-gay bill will become law by December since most Ugandans ‘are demanding it’.

Referring to the law as a ‘Christmas gift’ to the population,  she spoke of ‘the serious threat’ posed by homosexuals. <--- If the link does not work for you, I'm getting some reports that certain people cannot access the site, while others seem to be able to access it. I'm not sure yet if that's due to a netsplit between backbone providers, or if the site has gone down and my local ISP is maintaining a cache.

The final paragraph just makes me intensely, deeply, angry on the face of it. Wasn't this law partially the result of heavy lobbying from some of the Religious Right groups in the U.S.? That's the icing on the crap cake.

EDIT: Yes, it was:

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  •  Didn't know.. (11+ / 0-)


    Gay rights activists in Uganda, while opposing the bill, point out that it has helped their fight for equality by putting what used to be a taboo subject on the national agenda. Homosexuality is illegal in many African countries.

    I had no idea.  You would think Tony Perkins & his ilk would be constantly praising these African countries for their "moral courage."  Yet they remain strangely quiet on the subject.

    "You just gotta keep on livin man! L-I-V-I-N!" - Wooderson

    by wyvern on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:54:42 PM PST

    •  Their types are actually pretty active in (15+ / 0-)

      spreading this legislation over the continent.

      Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?

      by ConfusedSkyes on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:03:19 PM PST

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    •  The strangest part about thoses laws (9+ / 0-)

      I have no idea what was the status of homosexuality in traditionnal pre-colonial societies in Africa. I guess it was diverse and all over the place.

      But most of the present laws have nothing to do with the "moral courage" of those countries. They were directly inherited from British colonial law, which was often transferred as-is when those countries gained their independence. British laws, 1950s vintage (the ones that pushed someone like Alan Turing to commit suicide).

      I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

      by Farugia on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:23:49 PM PST

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      •  I know that in Uganda, they were already (4+ / 0-)
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        very against homosexuality, and that when Uganda was filled with missionaries, this contributed to a rise in a pre-existing sentiment.

        It is important to note that Africa has been colonized dating back to the Middle Ages, and has had religious views ranging from Islam to Christianity (mainly these) imported in which have shaped their landscape as much as most of Modern Europe has been shapen. There's not really any such thing as a "pristine, untouched" Africa. It's been heavily inflected and hybridized with Western, often homophobic ideas for almost a Millenium now.

        •  This article seems to indicate otherwise, (3+ / 0-)

          although it isn't really a reliable source on this particular subject:

          It wasn’t always like this, however. ‘In some traditional religions,’ one Ugandan gay activist told me, ‘spirits would tell people to engage in same-sex activity, and they would say: “My spirit says to do it with a same-sex partner!” That would be accepted by the community. And people who had sexual differences were looked at as different and were assigned different roles in the community. They were not outcasts.’ But that was before Christianity. Missionaries from colonial times followed by new mission efforts from the Pentecostal churches have been highly successful in converting Ugandans, so ‘now, people began saying the practice is an “abomination”. That word is imported by Christianity.’
          -- "Ugandan Gay Rights", Graeme Wood, Aeon Magazine

          I have no actual knowledge, but given the cultural diversity of Uganda, I would guess there's a lot of complexity to it, with historical attitudes of some groups being quite different from others.

          •  Exactly right (0+ / 0-)

            Uganda is a diverse nation. It has a lot of ethnic groups -- dozens and dozens. I'm much more acquainted with other African regions, mind you, and could easily be confusing some of these (not being a historian, but often needing to draw from historical works). My best recollection is that the first wave of strong anti-homosexual sentiment that I'm aware of -- and this doesn't mean existent in all of Africa, because again, not my area of expertise -- came with various religious influence from about the Middle Ages onward.

            You've definitely piqued my interest about this, so I am going to look up anything possible on African homosexuality in earlier periods (I reject the notion of a truly pre-colonial Africa) as well as in indigenous cultures. Honestly, I ought to have a better grasp on this history in more regions and ethnic groups.

            What is definitely true is that these have been deeply homogenized by even fairly subtle Western (and also European and even Middle Eastern religious) presences so that "What Africa believes" is a definite amalgam of the beliefs of others. Sometimes this is due to a concerted effort, like with the Family and similar groups, and sometimes it's probably somewhat unintentional but still due to other religious interfaces and cross-cultural hybridization of thought, resource, and the confluence of these.

            BTW, big props to you for NOT falling into the "One Universal Africa" trap! Africa is nothing if not diverse. The more we, as Western people, realize this, the better we do for Africans to recognize their individual cultures. :)

  •  Link isn't working. (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:56:43 PM PST

    •  Weird, I clicked and it still works for me. (2+ / 0-)
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      Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?

      by ConfusedSkyes on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:58:49 PM PST

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      •  Try clearing your cache (0+ / 0-)

        It then probably won't work.

        It's not working here either, and I'd like to Rec the Diary, but that link is kinda important.

        I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
        but I fear we will remain Democrats.

        by twigg on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:13:50 PM PST

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        •  Cleared cache, still works for me. (3+ / 0-)
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          Uganda will officially pass the ‘Kill The Gays’ bill at the end of this year despite international criticism.

          Speaker Rebecca Kadaga said the anti-gay bill will become law by December since most Ugandans ‘are demanding it’.

          Referring to the law as a ‘Christmas gift’ to the population,  she spoke of ‘the serious threat’ posed by homosexuals.

          The law will broaden the criminalization of same-sex relationships by dividing homosexuality into two categories; aggravated homosexuality and the offense of homosexuality.

          ‘Aggravated homosexuality’ is defined as gay acts committed by parents or authority figures, HIV-positive people, pedophiles and repeat offenders. If convicted, they will face the death penalty.

          The ‘offense of homosexuality’ includes same-sex sexual acts or being in a gay relationship, and will be prosecuted by life imprisonment.

          Originally put to government in 2009, the Anti-Homosexuality Bill had been temporarily shelved because of international criticism.

          Several European countries have threatened to cut aid to Uganda if it passes, with the UK government warning Uganda it would face severe reductions in financial help.

          US President Barack Obama has described it as ‘odious’, and Canadian politician John Baird has said it is ‘vile, abhorrent, and offends decency’.

          Uganda lawmaker Atim Ogwal Cecilia Barbara has even suggested there should be a continent-wide ban on homosexuality, saying all African gay people should be jailed for life.

          Gay rights activist David Kato was murdered in Uganda in January 2011 shortly after a local newspaper published images of him and other gay people under a headline urging readers to ‘hang them.’

          Despite this, Uganda’s LGBT community held a weekend of gay pride events this summer.

          According to a 2010 survey by The Pew Research Center, homosexuality is morally unacceptable to 89% of Ugandans.

          Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?

          by ConfusedSkyes on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:17:49 PM PST

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        • suggests that the site itself went down (1+ / 0-)
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          So it's possible that my local ISP itself has cached the page and the site is going down under sudden strain. That, or there's a netsplit.

          Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?

          by ConfusedSkyes on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:19:19 PM PST

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  •  Time to cut dipolmatic ties. (14+ / 0-)

    "It strikes me as gruesome and comical that in our culture we have an expectation that a man can always solve his problems" - Kurt Vonnegut

    by jazzence on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 07:57:27 PM PST

    •  I agree. If this isn't a human rights violation I (7+ / 0-)

      don't know what is.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:20:33 PM PST

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    •  The complex thing is that it has been (7+ / 0-)

      in no small measure due to missionaries from the West setting up very fundamentalist sorts of Churches from which they preach this sort of hate speech. Uganda had some pre-existing views about homosexuality prior to that influx, but these were not official (in my memory; I did research on this at one point, but it's muddy now). Now, with the continued rise of dominionist Christianity which is virtually state-sponsored, with the Family basically at the helm, this is supported.

      Without Western intervention of this sort both then and now, Ugandans would have been unlikely to do this. So I'm not sure what the solution is. But I know that there is a fair measure of blame to be cast, and much of that is to Western missionaries and groups like The Family who have Governmental ties there.

      •  If Obama had a spine he'd revoke some passports (0+ / 0-)

        Starting with Scott Lively and some of the other US "missionaries" who pushed this on Uganda.

        “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” Lyndon Baines Johnson

        by spacecadet1 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:50:58 AM PST

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    •  No, we need to keep talking with them (0+ / 0-)

      But it's time for sanctions.

      "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

      by pragmaticidealist on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:25:13 AM PST

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  •  Rachel covered this issue extensively (13+ / 0-)

    when the connections to C-street, Warren, et al, were exposed.

    12/09-vid and transcript: Rachel Maddow and Jeff Sharlet discuss the ties between C-Street, Pastor Rick Warren and an anti-gay bill in Uganda. Good for Rachel for bringing some attention to this truly horrific story, unlike her cohort at MSNBC David Gregory who forgot to mention Uganda during the softball interview he gave Rick Warren on Meet the Press.

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:07:51 PM PST

  •  All I can say to my brothers and sisters in ... (4+ / 0-)

    ...Uganda: Stay low profile until you can get over the border to someplace sane.

    I've never been to Africa, but I've heard it's the most beautiful country in Africa. I'm very sympathetic to GLBT issues no matter where they are.

    Come to Alaska. Despite it being a Red State it's more Libertarian than Republican. Pretty much Live and Let Live. Not that there aren't incidents, -few and far between-  but they are universally condemned.

    We have a growing Sudanese population because we held out our arms to them when they were fleeing warfare and genocide. They are hardworking people. There have been no incidents with our new citizens of which I am aware.

    You could find a home here. If the the Sudanese can get used to the cold, anyone can!

    "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

    by CanisMaximus on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:11:20 PM PST

  •  Yes, American RW religionists helped to do this (12+ / 0-)

    and, for instance, Rick Warren was just one of them.

    He was for it, before he was against it.

    And there are many others, including Anglican bishops which (being Episcopalian) drove me to stop attending. Until TEC leaves the Anglican Communion OR the Communion defrocks priests and bishops calling for these wrong and inhumane measures, I won't attend. I still believe, but I won't attend.

    The RCC is involved, as well.

    It's a disaster.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:15:30 PM PST

  •  This is so inexpressibly sad :( (2+ / 0-)
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    and outrageous as well.

    There's a special place in hell for the RWNJ's who've gone about spreading their vile hatred and bigotry to other countries - along with those in Uganda and elsewhere who've lapped up the hatred & bigotry to produce this.

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    by jan4insight on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:20:37 PM PST

  •  Automatically eligible for refugee status? (2+ / 0-)
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    If a ugandan enters the us embassy or somehow gets to the states, do they become eligible for residence?

    Not just us ... All EU counties?

    Maturity: Doing what you know is right - even though you were told to do it

    by grapes on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 08:26:36 PM PST

  •  We, at home, should work here to tackle this (3+ / 0-)
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    It [a report published] accuses evangelical stars such as Pat Robertson and Rick Warren as well as Catholic and Mormon groups of setting up institutions and campaigns in Africa that are "fanning the flames of the culture wars over homosexuality and abortion by backing prominent African campaigners and political leaders."

    The report – "Colonizing African Values: How the U.S. Christian Right is Transforming Sexual Politics in Africa" – was presented by the Political Research Associates of Boston, a think tank that describes itself as "progressive" and focusing on what it calls attacks on civil liberties by the political and Christian right.


    "Definitely there is a link between conservative Christians in America and conservative Christian leaders in Uganda," Okia [nephew of Uganda's President] confirmed to the report's researchers. Okia spoke of "a close intellectual and mentoring relationship."


    Kaoma's report identifies groups belonging to a loose network of right-wing charismatic Christians. They include Pat Robertson's American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), the Catholic Church's Human Life International (HLI) and the Mormon-led Family Watch International. All have launched or expanded offices in Africa over the past five years.


    So if you want to know how to take action, start looking at those in your backyard who are making a profit off of exporting this kind of hatred to people who lack all sorts of resources ranging from political power, global status, education, literacy, media access, physical resources, food, medicine, etc... and who subsequently often rely on Church groups for more access to these :/
  •  This kind of law (0+ / 0-)

    deserves UN sanctions.  Doesn't it?

    •  You'd think so (0+ / 0-)

      But there are certainly other UN member nations that have very similar laws. Iran for example. So while the leadership's view is more or less in line with our own, it's unlikely that the UN would be able to take any concerted action against a member such as Uganda because a) other nations with similar animus would prevent it and b) there'd be a manifest contradiction between the stated reasons for such and actual practices in some of the nations that would theoretically be behind those sanctions. It's an ugly and very unfortunate situation.

  •  A "Christmas present"? (0+ / 0-)

    That's a hell of a birthday present for the Prince of Peace.

    I can at times despair of some of my sisters and brothers in faith ever managing even a shred of understanding of the true teaching of the religion that (however unwillingly) binds us. May God have mercy on them -- because I'm quite sure I couldn't.

    "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

    by pragmaticidealist on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 09:28:56 AM PST

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