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I was recently on a city bus where I was accosted verbally by two young black young men who asked me what I thought about Obama winning.  The tone was confrontational.  I disarmed these two by flashing my "IBEW for Obama/Biden" pin from 2008 that I had on under my jacket and this changed the tone.  We talked briefly and I told them that many of us oldsters are scared to death about Social Security and Medicare cuts or elimination.  As a staunch union man, anything other than Obama/Biden was utterly unacceptable.

They asked about how come so many whites voted for "that Romney dude?"  I think some of it is racism, and a lot of it was Obama's capitulation in the face of Republican bluffing and plain obstructionism and I didn't hesitate to say so, even about the racism.

we parted company on good terms. Jump over the orange squiggle


Whites want to believe that all we have worked for in terms of Social Security and medical care as they get older, and I don't blame them.  But if you get a diet of Limbaugh and Fox Mooos you lose sight of this and feel its all being stolen already.

The 700 and even blown up to 800 million dollar lie about the ACA was more sucessful with swayable whites than any other whopper the Pubbies barfed up.  The non swayables were fixed already because of either percieved weakness during the first term and yes, racism in a smaller but very active bunch especially down south.

Instead of laughing at older whites I think we need to do more senior outreach, which is NOT easy for younger precienct workers.  I do my part and I know some others do some outreach, but more is needed.  To turen back Fox and the coming wave of perfumed Republican bullshi#.  Same horror, sweeter stench

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  •  Tip Jar (22+ / 0-)

    President Obama has won, the Senate is in Democratic hands, and America now has to recover from the bitter divide that only the Republicans wanted. Hope for today, tomorrow and the future! Let's get to it!

    by boilerman10 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 04:56:26 PM PST

  •  Great story! (2+ / 0-)
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    zerelda, JayRaye

    Can you check the first sentence after the squiggle? Is something missing there, or am I just missing it?

  •  It's an easy trap to fall in. (8+ / 0-)

    There's a pickup in the town I live with jesus stickers and a gun rack with an Obama/Biden '12 sticker on the bumper. I'd never in a million years have thought it possible. But I also saw Yes R-74 signs (legalize gay marriage in WA) with Romney signs in the same yard.
    Folks are complicated. It gives me hope for some of them I like to think it's not false hope. But there are days...

    To me progress is not so much a goal as it is a process and I believe it will not follow a straight course. Remember, the drops of water that form the river may not take the shortest path but they will still reach the ocean.

    by ontheleftcoast on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:06:23 PM PST

    •  You could be describing (4+ / 0-)

      mr.u's best friend. He's a hunter and an old biker. He drives a beat up old pick-up with his two big dogs up front with him. He looks like a typical Utah redneck and yet has scads of Obama/Biden bumperstickers and even wears an Obama button on his hat. He and his wife are MSNBC junkies.

      "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

      by high uintas on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 06:21:08 PM PST

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  •  And if the answer to the $700B lie (1+ / 0-)
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    Becomes an increase in the Medicare eligibility age excused by the refrain "you have Obamacare" what other than "I told you so" do you expect to hear from seniors?

  •  But You Are SO Wrong About This, bm10 (0+ / 0-)
    They asked about how come so many whites voted for "that Romney dude?"  I think some of it is racism, and a lot of it was Obama's capitulation in the face of Republican bluffing and plain obstructionism and I didn't hesitate to say so, even about the racism
    Hells NO! Most of it IS racism, and very little of has anything to do with Obama's non-capitulation. White people overwhelmingly vote RepubliKlan and then bitch at Democrats who are forced to deal with these psycho-social degenerates.

    But I understand why you would blame the Black guy instead of your Family&Friends. White people not dealing with their overt and covert racism is the primary reason why racism is still so rampant in the good ol' USofA. The fact that racism became more rampant after Obama won in 2008 is all the proof one should need to see the situation clearly.

    You are, however, a distinct minority, boilerman10. The majority of White baby-boomers, since 1972, have voted RepubliKlan in every Presidential election.

    I guess Obama's responsible for that. Also...

    In 2012, the majority of White men (62%), the majority of White women (56%) and the majority of 18-29 y.o. White peeps (51%) voted for (R)money&Lyan. And not just in teh South: CA, CO, NV, NM, IL, MI, OH, PA, NJ, MD - in each of these states, all of which Obama won, the majority of White people voted for (R)money&Lyan. More than enough Electoral College votes to flip the election.

    Reality bites, does it not?

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 05:52:13 PM PST

    •  Ignorance (2+ / 0-)
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      Is the domain of no race or party.

      by DAISHI on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 06:04:37 PM PST

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    •  disagree a bit.... (0+ / 0-)

      Obama did give away the farm during the the first two years of hisn first term and for all the cooperation found his administration behind the eight ball in the 2010 elections...what white support that was lost in that election and those few percentage points cost the house and brought down the Democratric Senate majority.

      I hope things go better and we get the house in 2014.

      And get down from your high horse and start helping with the outreach.  The tea bagger Republican we bounce is one less to have to deal with.

      President Obama has won, the Senate is in Democratic hands, and America now has to recover from the bitter divide that only the Republicans wanted. Hope for today, tomorrow and the future! Let's get to it!

      by boilerman10 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:09:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Where are you from? Not stalking, just (0+ / 0-)

    general area?

    ...Son, those Elephants always look out for themselves. If you happen to get a crumb or two from their policies, it's a complete coincidence. -Malharden's Dad

    by slowbutsure on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 06:11:43 PM PST

  •  Good for you ... (0+ / 0-)

    Always good to pop people's stereotypes. Not all old people or white men are Republicans.

    But I have to say that a lot of Republicans do have a certain glossy pale exterior. I handed out Dem. sample ballots at an early voting center and it wasn't too hard to to figure out which people were going to reject them. Either they were well coiffed and drove BMWs or Mercedes or SUVs OR  they looked like hicks and drove rattletraps. I can't quite figure out why the bikers with tats were voting Republican. Aren't they supposed to be 'rebels'?

    Help us to save free conscience from the paw Of hireling wolves whose gospel is their maw. ~John Donne

    by ohiolibrarian on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:33:19 PM PST

  •  The staunchest, most die-hard union (4+ / 0-)

    supporters and Yellow Dog Democrats I've met have ALWAYS been old white people. Same goes for the most dedicated socialists. Management goons dragging them out of their houses at night and beating the crap out of them just made them tougher and more determined. I learned long ago to NEVER make the mistake of stereotyping old white people.


    by raincrow on Tue Nov 13, 2012 at 07:45:17 PM PST

  •  Count me an angry old white guy too! (1+ / 0-)
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    I've been pissed off about racism since I was about 4 years old. Watching POLICEMEN! setting the dogs loose on and beating women and CHILDREN, left me shouting and crying at the TV to stop it! I was so upset my mom set up a meeting with a local canine patrol officer who explained that cops weren't like that where I lived.  I was and remain skeptical.
    Yeah, I'm an angry old white guy. Racism, discrimination, social and economic injustice, these are the things that drive my anger.
    The KKK won a childs heart that day at the bridge. For their opposition.
    Then MLK cemented my personal code of conduct for living.
    All that being said. I sure hope all us white folk don't have to start wearing buttons.

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