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The 2012 election is behind us. America has reelected President Obama to a second term, and the time has come for us to take a look at the next four years of America’s political life, and where the Democratic Party needs to go in 2016 and beyond.

And even though many of us are still exhausted from the long and difficult 2012 campaign, it is never too early to think ahead. We need to help President Obama have a successful second term, we need to maintain our Senate majority and regain the House, the state Governorships, and the state legislatures in 2014, and then we need to run a strong candidate for President in 2016, one who shares our progressive Democratic values and who will lead the Democratic Party into its next phase, who will continue the work of turning President Obama’s original platform of hope and change into meaningful legislation that will move this country forward.

Hillary Clinton is that candidate, and we need a serious draft movement to get her into the race.

I supported Obama in 2008 and I don’t regret doing so. Obama’s message of hope and change was the right one for the country at the time, and it was better than Hillary’s campaign of experience and strength. But there will be no Obama this time, no bold progressive visionary seeking to take the country in a different direction. Now, we are already on the right path; what we need is a leader who will continue the long march down that path.

Obama is a difficult act to follow. Presidents like him only come along once in a generation. The next Democratic nominee will not inspire us with powerful words and compel us into action by sheer force of personality the way Barack Obama did. 2016 will not be an election that packs tens of thousands into a stadium or on the streets of Berlin to hear a speech, and there’s a good chance that when the next President of the United States is inaugurated in 2017, there won’t be a million people watching on the National Mall. We need to get used to that.

Instead, the next Democratic President will need to be a workhorse, a warrior with the grit and tenacity to fight the Republicans and deliver the rest of President Obama’s agenda. If Obama was JFK, leading a nation with sweeping rhetoric and leadership, the next President must be like LBJ, and advance the types of legislation that will become the policy cornerstone of the new Democratic era. Legislation like comprehensive immigration reform, energy independence and climate change legislation, and rebuilding America’s infrastructure. We have already seen some of this major legislation in President Obama’s first term with health care reform and the stimulus, and we will doubtless see more in his second term, but given the current political climate, it is almost certain that President Obama will leave office without having achieved everything he wants to. It will depend on the next President to take up the cause.
Hillary Clinton is the right person to follow President Obama as the Democratic nominee.

Everything that made her an appealing candidate in 2008 still applies. She is still the candidate with experience, and she is still a strong leader. Her four years as President Obama’s Secretary of State have only enhanced her foreign policy credentials, and she has earned the respect of the major leaders of the world. She will be able to both fight the Republicans and work with them when necessary. She would make an excellent President.

Hillary Clinton could win. In 2008, she had the support of a huge portion of the Democratic base, including women, Hispanics, and labor unions. Without Obama as a primary contender, she could easily wrap up the rest, including African-Americans and youth. Many of these constituencies supported her before switching to Obama and always had tremendous respect and admiration for her. Hillary also appeals to independent voters, especially with her husband’s support, and she is an outstanding fundraiser.

Hillary lost the 2008 primary both because of the political climate of the time and because her campaign, frankly, was terrible. It lacked organization and discipline and was divided by internal squabbles. That won’t happen again. Many of the main people, like Penn and Solis Doyle, who sunk her 2008 campaign are gone and unlikely to return. Meanwhile, the political geniuses who ran both of Obama’s campaigns would be available to work on hers. We won’t see the same mistakes as in 2008, and Hillary would run the type of strong, successful campaign that helped Obama win.

In addition, Hillary would be able to generate the grassroots momentum necessary to win the election. This time around, there is no other Democrat who could garner the kind of excitement she could. Most Democrats still love Hillary and would eagerly turn out to make phone calls and knock on doors for her. Other possible candidates, like Andrew Cuomo, Martin O’Malley, and even Joe Biden wouldn’t be able to get that level of enthusiasm. Hillary Clinton would be the grassroots candidate of 2016, if we can get her there.

So we know that Hillary would make a great presidential candidate and a great President. Where do we go from here?

First, we need to do everything possible to continue the Democratic momentum in the 2014 elections. We need to hang on to our Senate majority in what is likely to be a difficult year, with several precarious red-state Dems up for reelection. Ideally, we also need to regain a majority in the House of Representatives. This is unlikely (the incumbent President’s party typically loses seats in the midterms), but it can be done, as the Republicans did in 2002. We also need to win big in the midterm gubernatorial and state legislative races, by defeating the Tea Party incumbents who were elected in 2010, many of whom have very low approval ratings and are extremely vulnerable.

Second, we must support President Obama’s agenda using existing Democratic activist networks, including DailyKos, the labor unions, and progressive advocacy groups such as MoveOn and Democracy for America. In addition, everyone who reads this diary should join TheAction.org to support President Obama’s plan to end the Bush-era tax cuts for the top 2%.

Finally, we must start an active movement to draft Hillary Clinton to run for President in 2016. This may or may not actually influence Hillary to join the race, but it will build up momentum and support for her, if in fact she does run.

The election may have just happened, but there’s no time to waste. The time to take action is now. I have started a petition on change.org. Please sign to show your support for Hillary in 2016. We need to encourage Hillary in every possible way: use Facebook and Twitter, post diaries and post to your personal blog. This is the next step to moving our country forward.

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  •  Tip Jar (12+ / 0-)

    "No, Governor Romney, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they cry, they dance. They live, they love, and they die. And that matters." --Elizabeth Warren

    by foreverblue on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 12:49:17 PM PST

  •  please give it a rest. (22+ / 0-)

    It is early.

    Way too early.

    No petition will have an impact on a person's decision.

    If Clinton wants to run, she can and will decide on her own. If she doesn't want to run, then she doesn't.

    There is a primary process to go through.  Let all the candidates announce and let the process begin.  And the better the candidates the better.  A repeat of Obama vs Clinton in 2008 did more to build the party for the general election.

    Wait until 2014 and then see who announces.

    "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility" -George M. Wrong.

    by statsone on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:44:18 AM PST

  •  Not sure if the country is going back to (13+ / 0-)

    someone of her generation . . . .

    (and yes, that more or less excludes me too, so don't bash me for being ageist!).

  •  hillary is running and will win (8+ / 0-)

    as an obama 08 supporter she and her husband have done A LOT to move me into supporting her.  I want HRC 2.0 in 2016, a little less entitled and a lot more progressive. If she does that we will move the earth for her the way we did for PBO.

    Some say she's old hat.  But not really,  even though she has been SOS these past 4 years its not like we've been hearing from her 24/7 ad nauseum..she's been doing her thing but with little fanfare so overexposure is not a problem...couple that with two years of rest for her and she will be ready in 2015 too run.

    one thing Obama and Bill Clinton have proven is that people want SUPERSTARS now.  brilliant and charismatic folk.
    the repubs have no one in her league.  i say ride the clinton obama clinton wave as long as possible...then? hmmmm ready Michelle?

  •  I'd love to see HRC in the primaries. (2+ / 0-)
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    foreverblue, brasilaaron

    Not sure I'd vote for her (kind of hoping Elizabeth Warren joins the fray) but she is definately the default Democrat going in to the next Presidential cycle, and we could do much worse than Hillary.  

    Good luck in your efforts!

    "If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people." -Tony Benn (-6.38,-6.36)

    by The Rational Hatter on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:46:37 AM PST

    •  Both Hillary & Warren are non-starters (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      PorridgeGun

      I believe you won't see either in the primary fray. At this point, even suggesting Warren is so laughable that it's hard for me to take the commenter seriously.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:13:46 PM PST

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  •  to rub it in (4+ / 0-)

    the right wing would never recover.

    i do agree she ran a horrible campaign.  i don't think they will make that mistake again.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:49:54 AM PST

    •  It was a traditional, 20th Century campaign (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Deep Texan, foreverblue, pistolSO

      They were outflanked and outmaneuvered by Obama. The same way Romney was this year. If she ran a modern campaign that understands how to reach voters today instead of how they were reached 20 years ago when Bill ran, she would have no problems.

      •  No it wasn't. It was a traditional (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        PorridgeGun

        republican, back stabbing, mud slinging campaign.  All of her advisers were republican, and she even had an agreement with McCain not to play dirty.


        The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

        by nupstateny on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:14:01 PM PST

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      •  HRC's 2008 campaign (0+ / 0-)

        backfired because of hubris: she assumed the White House was hers by entitlement, and so she underestimated Obama until it was too late.

        But she's since found her inner peace and has performed superbly at State. She's unquestionably very smart and very disciplined. It would be wonderful if, after breaking the race barrier in Presidential politics with Obama, Dems immediately broke the gender barrier with Hillary.

    •  Now for that reason (3+ / 0-)

      I would love to see Hillary run...

      ..can you imagine the wingnut explosions (which are bad enough as it is).

  •  why not (10+ / 0-)

    I believe you answered the question yourself:

    Hillary lost the 2008 primary both because of the political climate of the time and because her campaign, frankly, was terrible. It lacked organization and discipline and was divided by internal squabbles.
    She ran a lousy campaign and made a lot of bad calls. They spent their money wrong. they appeared to not understand delegates were distributed proportionally. You don't want this kind of bad management in the party's standard-bearer.

    The only races she ever won were not tightly contested. The presidency likely will be.

    Plus Hillary is a link to the DLC past. And then there is her foolish support of the Iraq War.

    An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

    by mightymouse on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:51:23 AM PST

    •  agreed on all (3+ / 0-)
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      mightymouse, statsone, TheLizardKing

      however, i would still love to see her run.  this time do it right.

      looking forward to winning that election.  the tears!!  nomnom!

      -You want to change the system, run for office.

      by Deep Texan on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:56:31 AM PST

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    •  And I'm not so sure the DLC is so past (1+ / 0-)
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      mightymouse

      Let's so who hangs in there as a real progressive through the "deals".  She may figure she can escape by sitting the next 4 years out but I want to know who is on my side.  If it was to go to the woman who has earned it, I'd nominate Pelosi.  

    •  It's different this time (1+ / 0-)
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      mightymouse

      Many of the people who were responsible for her campaign's failures had already been fired by the time the primary was over. They won't be back this time. I actually read in a book recently that Hillary only won the New Hampshire primary (probably her greatest success of the campaign, given how far behind she started) because she largely ignored her team and took on more control herself.

      I'm not forgiving her for the campaign she ran in 2008, and if any of those people are back I will either support another candidate or focus on downballot races. I refuse to give my time to a campaign that doesn't value its organization or isn't committed to winning. But I think she's learned from her mistakes and will do things differently this time. Remember, the people who ran Obama's campaigns will be available this time and many of them will probably end up working for Hillary.

      "No, Governor Romney, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they cry, they dance. They live, they love, and they die. And that matters." --Elizabeth Warren

      by foreverblue on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:00:44 AM PST

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      •  Why do you think this? (2+ / 0-)
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        mightymouse, PorridgeGun
        Remember, the people who ran Obama's campaigns will be available this time and many of them will probably end up working for Hillary.
        You believe the belief they have in Barack Obama is easily transferable to Hilary just because?
        •  I didn't say that (1+ / 0-)
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          JamieG from Md
          You believe the belief they have in Barack Obama is easily transferable to Hilary just because?
          I don't see Axelrod, Plouffe, Messina, Cutter, Gibbs, etc. just outright retiring. I think most of them will want to stay active and work for someone and of those, most would end up with Hillary if she ran, as there doesn't seem to be an Obama-type candidate in the race who would attract that kind of talent.

          David Axelrod has personal ties to Hillary, in fact he considered not working for Obama in 2008 for this reason. I could absolutely see him working for her in 2016.

          Axelrod served as the chief strategist and media advisor for Obama's 2008 presidential campaign. Axelrod contemplated taking a break from the 2008 presidential campaign, as five of the candidates —Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Edwards, Chris Dodd, and Tom Vilsack — were past clients. Personal ties between Axelrod and Hillary Clinton also made it difficult, as she had done significant work on behalf of epilepsy causes for a foundation co-founded by Axelrod's wife and mother, Citizens United for Research in Epilepsy (CURE) (Axelrod's daughter suffers from developmental disabilities associated with chronic epileptic seizures.) Axelrod's wife even said that a 1999 conference Clinton convened to find a cure for the condition was "one of the most important things anyone has done for epilepsy."
          I'm not saying Obama's entire team would work for Hillary "just because", but I can see it happening.

          "No, Governor Romney, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they cry, they dance. They live, they love, and they die. And that matters." --Elizabeth Warren

          by foreverblue on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:17:10 AM PST

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      •  it was her judgment behind hiring of Penn, etc. (1+ / 0-)
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        PorridgeGun

        She is still the same person.

        I think of it like this - if I have a valuable cargo to transport, I don't put it in the hands of someone who had a serious accident due to lack of judgment.

        An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

        by mightymouse on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:26:57 AM PST

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  •  Jesus Christ (6+ / 0-)

    She is not running. She does not want to run. She doesn't want it. How much more clear can the woman make it? SHE DOESN'T WANT TO RUN. Respect her wishes.

    matthewborgard.com ~ @MatthewBorgard

    by zegota on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:56:29 AM PST

    •  how do you know? (2+ / 0-)
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      foreverblue, JamieG from Md

      ...i think she will run.

      "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

      by humanistique on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:15:15 AM PST

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    •  I don't get how writing diaries on DailyKos (1+ / 0-)
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      foreverblue

      is that much of a disrespect to her.

      I suspect that she can ignore them quite easily, if she opts to do so.

      In the overall scheme of things, maybe just maybe this site doesn't control things to the extent that is usually thought to be the case (e.g., DailyKos is NOT the Stonecutters . . . ).

      •  I'm certainly not trying to force her to run (0+ / 0-)

        I'm just trying to thing ahead a little. No one would begrudge her for wanting to take a little rest. My goal is less to try to "push" her into the race and more to help build up support in case she does run. I hope if she does run the people who rec'd and tipped this diary will support her by volunteering. If she doesn't, fine, I'm sure the ultimate Democratic nominee will be good if not as transformational as she would have been.

        "No, Governor Romney, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they cry, they dance. They live, they love, and they die. And that matters." --Elizabeth Warren

        by foreverblue on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:48:21 AM PST

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  •  Good grief, I hope that Sec. Clinton (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    pistolSO

    just disappears for a year and gets her rest...then she can comeback and make a decision

  •  let Hillary decide (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    True North

    I am sure after 6 months of rest Hillary will be ready to run but it all depends on how the economy is. If things haven't improved quite a bit by 2015 no democrat can argue they should be elected.
    If the economy has come back i think we won't see a republican president for a generation or at least long enough to redo the supreme court.
    If a woman is running even republican woman will vote for her.  

  •  re: exausted Kossaks (5+ / 0-)

    I was sick and tired of campaigning after 2008. I let myself become distracted.

    all I need to say is: 2010

    This time I won't kick back.

    We will pick the best person for 2016, maybe it's Hillary; who knows.

    In the meantime. Time to wake up and face 2014.

    Fired UP, ready to GO!

    •  My thoughts exactly (2+ / 0-)
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      themank, JamieG from Md

      I understand that many people are tired right now and could use a little break, but personally, I'm more energized than ever by Obama's victory and ready to get back to work!

      "No, Governor Romney, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they cry, they dance. They live, they love, and they die. And that matters." --Elizabeth Warren

      by foreverblue on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:18:26 AM PST

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  •  If we're thinking ahead... (9+ / 0-)

    ... we should gear up for 2014, not 2016 (yet).

    261.A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience. -Ferengi Rules of Acquisition

    by MaikeH on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:11:41 AM PST

    •  I agree with you (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JamieG from Md

      2014 is most important right now. But I don't think it's a bad idea to think ahead a little bit. I feel that we should get used to thinking in the long term about where our party is and where it's going (and should go). Chris Christie and Marco Rubio are already thinking about 2016; we need to do the same.

      "No, Governor Romney, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they cry, they dance. They live, they love, and they die. And that matters." --Elizabeth Warren

      by foreverblue on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:39:46 AM PST

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      •  Maybe Christie & Rubio are thinking ahead (0+ / 0-)

        but most voters are not. And neither is likely to be in the fray at the end. Remember Mark Warner? Our 2008 standard-bearer? Well, he was in 2005. Supposedly.

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

        by anastasia p on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:17:00 PM PST

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  •  I think she's earned her post-partisan glow (7+ / 0-)

    She is respected by most Americans, even some of the non-crazed Republicans. She had to work hard for that, and I believe she's earned an opportunity to enjoy that.

    Presidential races result in the other side trying to ruin and destroy you. President Obama is still young, and will have an opportunity to live a post-Presidential life when that fades out of how people think of him, just as has happened for the "Secretary of Explaining Stuff."

    But Hillary Clinton would have to - at the age of 69 - return to the world of being destroyed by everyone who wants to take a shot at her. She's earned the opportunity to retain her nearly universal admiration, and enjoy being a well regarded figure of the Democratic party.

    Rick Perry - the greatest scientist since Galileo!

    by Bobs Telecaster on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:14:21 AM PST

  •  Has she changed her mind yet on (4+ / 0-)
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    greenbell, mightymouse, PhilJD, KayCeSF

    Iraq? Last I heard she was still defending the war based on "what we knew at the time". I just could not ever be excited by someone who still believes bush and Cheney made the right decision to go to war in Iraq.

  •  There needs to be a vigorous discussion first (3+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse, pistolSO, True North

    I'm not for just handing the nomination to any candidate. I did not support Barack Obama initially, he won my vote despite starting out as my 3rd choice.  Hillary, we were told, was  supposed to be "inevitable" and thus unbeatable. Barack Obama earned his way to the nomination in a hard fought campaign and went on to victory.

    In the 2004 cycle, I was for Howard Dean from the start. The establishment told us that John Kerry was going to be the nominee. Everyone fell in line and we lost.

    One reason Barack Obama won my vote is because it was apparent he wanted to expand the electoral map and the base. In my opinion, the next nominee must be able to hold the Obama map, if not enlarge it., and build upon our base. Do not assume a given level of support (or nonsupport) from any segment of our coalition for anyone.

    I would support and vote for Hillary if she won the nomination.If elected, I think Secretary Clinton would be an excellent POTUS. I also have to be honest and say that I am wary of the baggage that comes with the Clintons. I have no desire to have to sift through the resurrection of the ghosts of phony scandals of the past.

    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

    by sebastianguy99 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:24:09 AM PST

  •  Hilary (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenbell, Moongazer

     She might make a good president but she is not a progressive Democratic . Like her husband she is  republican light.

    •  Hillary (like her husband) is too corporate. (0+ / 0-)

      She is no FDR progressive!  I also see a recurrence of Clinton Fatigue.  The Arkansas Project masterminds are still out there and ready to go again.  We need to concentrate on the Progressives who are currently working to help this country recover from Bill's bad decisions (repeal of Glass Steagall) and 8 years of W.

  •  Hilary will run if it's what she wants to do. (2+ / 0-)
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    foreverblue, True North

    I don't think any attempt to draft her will affect her opinion one way or another.

    Right now, she's probably kind of exhausted from her day job (sec of state) and from all accounts wants to quit and relax for a bit.

    IF, after having some time to recharge and reflect, she decides that she'd be the best person to lead this country and IF she is healthy/energetic enough to face not only the rigors of campaigning but running the free world, THEN you will see the Clinton machine roll into action, likely endorsed by Obama and any influence he can bring to bear as payback for her service and both of their efforts on Obama's behalf.

    But I think, at her age, she might decide she just can't go through all that again, emotionally and/or physically.  Alternately, her body might make the decision for her.

    On the plus side, the whole "OMG, she's POLARIZING!" BS that attended her last run seems quaint now.  Obama is the most polarizing guy anywhere, and he figured out how to win (expand the electorate...the folks who don't normally vote like his policies).

    If she doesn't run, whomever she and Obama put their weight behind will likely be the frontrunner.  I don't think we'll really know how it plays out till a lot closer to 2014 though, and maybe not until we see what happens at the midterms.

  •  Time for new blood. (3+ / 0-)
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    SDuvall, Yumn, purplehaze

    She should not run for a number of reasons.  First, she is way too old.  She would be 77 by the end of a second term, putting such a  second term in doubt. Younger voters are an important part of our majority and they will drift away.  Second, she has way too much baggage.  Bubba may be popular with partisans, but it;s not going to do us any good to bring that whole mess up again. THree, we are not a hereditary monarchy and should if anything, move away from multiple family members holding the presidency.  Fourth, some things are absolutely unforgivable and this is one of them.  She, as "co-president" and her husband spiked gay rights progress  for 20 years.  WE don't want anything to do with another Clinton in the White House.  They are grifters of the worst order and are totally untrustworthy.  And yes, we go to caucusses in very large numbers.  Ain't going to happen.

    GOP Wars against: Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Immigrants, Mexicans, Blacks, Gays, Women, Unions, Workers, Unemployed, Voters, Elderly, Kids, Poor, Sick, Disabled, Dying, Lovers, Kindness, Rationalism, Science, Sanity, Reality.

    by SGWM on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:37:54 AM PST

  •  I could never support anyone who voted for (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    greenbell

    the destruction of Iraq.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:39:58 AM PST

  •  The human body can only take so much, and she (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Yumn

    has been in the politics for a long time. She needs a rest. She is only human.  Give her a couple years of rest and then see if she wants it. If I were her, I'd for the hills before putting myself through it again.

  •  IMO Hillary represents old politics. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Yumn

    After Obama's legacy we need to move forward.

  •  Hillary needs to be our nominee (3+ / 0-)
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    foreverblue, Jeremimi, JamieG from Md

    I am positive she will mop the floor with Rubio.

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

    by jgkojak on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:54:27 AM PST

    •  No, she doesn't (0+ / 0-)

      and Rubio won't be their nominee, just because he spoke first. They'll turn their backs on him when they release that his being a Cuban-American isn't going to get American Hispanics (96% not Cuban) to vote Republican. And that any mention of being more welcoming to immigrants is going to inflame their xenophobic base.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:19:14 PM PST

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  •  Too early and too unnecessary (0+ / 0-)

    Hillary Clinton will decide whether she will run or not. She already knows that she has strong support within the Democratic Party. She would no doubt see a petition to draft her as a lovely gesture, much appreciated, but that won't affect her decision.

    It is also too early to be focusing on the presidential race in 2016. We have mid-terms in 2014, and plenty of work to do to improve our situation there.

    Two years is a long time. I think we'll be assessing primary candidates for 2016 with the dominant issues of about 2014 in mind.

    As to age: I think that Hillary will be perfectly capable of serving from 2017-2025, just as I think Elizabeth Warren, who is two years younger, will be.

    However, my sense is that the era of Boomer generation presidents encompassed Clinton and Bush, and I don't think the country will move from the generation that followed them back to the Boomer generation.

  •  I was just thinking that myself. (2+ / 0-)
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    foreverblue, JamieG from Md

    I think the Obama administration and the Democrats, in general feel the same way.  I hope she goes for it.


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    by nupstateny on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:09:23 PM PST

  •  Not that keen on Hillary. (1+ / 0-)
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    I'd rather see Russ Feingold run.  Hillary is one of those establishment Dems who don't like to do break new ground.  We won't get single payer from her.

  •  She will be a good candidate if she runs. And (1+ / 0-)
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    JamieG from Md

    she will probably get a nomination quite easily. However, for a well-known candidate like her draft movements are unnecessary.

  •  Clinton fatigue? (0+ / 0-)

    The only people who ever thought that were the MSM and the GOP in 2000, and following that thinking cost candidate Al Gore an outright election win that year.

    There NEVER has been Clinton fatigue for most Americans, NOT EVER. Bill Clinton would have had a third and fourth presidential term were it not for a Constitutional amendment forbidding more than two Presidential terms--drafted by a GOP who were tired of being pummeled by the four-times elected FDR.

    Whether Hillary really lost to now President Barack Obama is an unsettled argument.  We Clintonites believe that she had won both the popular vote and the necessary representation by the majority of the states, but the DNC superdelegates, ever following that tired MSM and GOP anti-Clinton narrative of "Clinton fatigue," put now President Barack Obama over the top.

    As to the 2008 fall campaign, it WAS NOT JUST THE BARACK OBAMA FOLK that made it a huge turn-out, but COMBINED WITH THE HILLARY CLINTON FOLK which made that election a genuine "wave" year.  It is past time that the Obama folk recognized this.

    The real star of this particular Presidential cycle was not either of the top candidates, but rather former President Clinton.  His masterpiece of a political address re-nominating President Obama was the dynamic that precipitated all else that was successful that followed.  He was an absolutely brilliant campaigner, and everywhere he went, in tandem with the President, as a solo act, or buttressing a would-be Democratic Senator or Congressman, made the difference.

    If Hillary truly wants the Democratic nomination in 2016, then it is surely hers for the asking.  But she simply may not desire a return to the White House, even as the first woman US Chief Executive.

    However, whomever President Obama chooses to become Secretary of State when she does decide to leave that position will have none of the glitz, not any of the political superstar status that did Hillary.  When President Obama selected Hillary the whole wider world--besides much of the US Congress on both sides of the aisle--applauded.  Her announcement was met with sky-rocketing fireworks.  Whereas whether President Obama chooses Ambassador Susan Rice or Senator John Kerry, or any other worthy but fully traditional nominee will be greeted with one collective yawn.

    Unless, of course, the President chooses former President Bill Clinton, should he desire that position, in which case not merely the skies but the stratosphere itself will explode in a supernova of international celebration.

    Because, aside from the times when President Obama assumes his soaring rhetoric side, as opposed to when he is coolly detached (as in the first Presidential debate), there has only been one political force on the entire world stage who commandeers rapt attention from everybody else--and that is the Bill Clinton brand, whether as "two-for" in tandem with Hillary, Hillary alone as buttressed by Bill, or Bill alone as buttressed by Hillary.  Every other brand pales in comparison.

  •  I have Clinton fatigue. (0+ / 0-)

    Just can't get interested in her running, much less thinking of 2016.  Can we just help our current President?

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:29:28 PM PST

  •  Hillary is very popular (0+ / 0-)

    Just not here on Daily Kos.

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    by JamieG from Md on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 06:53:28 PM PST

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