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Republicans continue to believe they lost the election because they weren't conservative enough, so Marco Rubio declares he has no clue how old the Earth is. And why would he? It's only in the science books! And you know you can't get the Republican nomination for president if you read those! Greg Dworkin stopped by to discuss that very subject today, and the impact of the competing schools of Republican Crazy that threaten to pull their already shrinking coalition apart. That's not the same thing as the demise of the Republican Party, mind you. Just a routine headache of coalition politics, really. But if you don't believe in any kind of science, it's hard to even figure out a way to cure your own headache.

We also reviewed a lost gem of the Internet, a 2001 Heritage Foundation analysis of the Bush tax cuts, and guess what? They promised a wonderful future, complete with gigantic job growth and the elimination by 2010 of the national debt! All thanks to "dynamic scoring!" Well, neither of those things appear to have worked out very well. But probably only because they weren't conservative enough, or something like that.

Finally, we took a look at the Hostess situation, reading an excellent diary by bluebarnstormer, describing the givebacks already extracted from the unions during the 2005 bankruptcy as context for the new concessions demanded from management, even as that same management votes themselves enormous rasies. Shocking, but not surprising, since the company has been in the process of being devoured from the inside by Bain-style locust capitalism for the past few years. Close call on that whole Mitt Romney thing, people!

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  •  How old the earth is (2+ / 0-)
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    Bulldozer, maybeeso in michigan

    Way to go, Rubio. Stick to your guns on the earth being 4000 years old. You can always etch a sketch it differently when you get the nomination, to being twice that old. Or something.

    Or decide right up front you're not going to lie ... and let the chips fall where they may.

    •  To be fair Rubio didn't say (3+ / 0-)
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      filthyLiberalDOTcom, ET3117, bythesea

      that the earth was 4,000 years old.  I'm paraphrasing ever so slightly but he basically said "Look, I have no fucking idea what my base will allow me to say on the subject.  Approximately 60 percent of Republicans believe that the earth is between 6,000 and 10,000 years old and those are the people I need to court.  As for whether or not I actually agree with them I'll just say that I'm brave enough and strong enough to lead this country but not brave enough to actually state my opinion on this subject."

      My transcription might have been off by a word or two but you get the gist.

      We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

      by theotherside on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:39:41 AM PST

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      •  Sounds fair. (0+ / 0-)

        Seriously!

        Of course, it also means it's now fair game to wonder what else he'll say he's not qualified to comment on, including, well, most of the things a Senator is elected to comment on.

        But magically, I predict he'll be a "scientist" when it comes to those other things.

        Even though he's not. He was right!

  •  honest question: if 9/11 hadn't happened (0+ / 0-)

    would the bush tax cuts have helped the country?

  •  We're all pretty good with error bars now right? (1+ / 0-)
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    Karl Rover

    So the earth is 6000 years old, +- 13.86 billion years.

    Actually, not minus, that would be silly.

    (The materialist scientists who believe in math and physics and stuff say 13.75 billion years +- 0.11 billion years)

    ad astra per alia porci

    by harrije on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:14:13 AM PST

    •  Not to nitpick - but you are describing the age (0+ / 0-)

      of the universe; not just Earth, which is typically viewed as being much less than that.  According to various sources collated on Wikipedia that is estimated to be approx. 4.54 billion years ago.

      ^ a b See: Dalrymple, G.B. (1991). The Age of the Earth. California: Stanford University Press. ISBN 0-8047-1569-6.
      Newman, William L. (2007-07-09). "Age of the Earth". Publications Services, USGS. Retrieved 2007-09-20.
      Dalrymple, G. Brent (2001). "The age of the Earth in the twentieth century: a problem (mostly) solved". Geological Society, London, Special Publications 190 (1): 205–221. Bibcode 2001GSLSP.190..205D. doi:10.1144/GSL.SP.2001.190.01.14. Retrieved 2007-09-20.
      Stassen, Chris (2005-09-10). "The Age of the Earth". TalkOrigins Archive. Retrieved 2008-12-30.

      However, I agree with the fundamental point that Rubio is pointing fundamentally instead of factually.

      Good Sense is Seldom Common

  •  Professor Mintzberg (0+ / 0-)

    did the best takedown of MBAs and all that they lack morally, ethically, educationally and as community members in his GREAT book - Managers not MBAs.  As one who teaches the locusts at Mills in Canada, he truly challenges the thinking and the case study style of teaching - cough, Harvard, Stanford et al.  Mintzberg chided his fellow professors in not seeing what they were educating because the dollar and quarterly reports became more important.  Loved that book amongst his many works!

    You were most excellent today sir! (OK you are great everyday!)

    Every time history repeats itself, the price goes up...East Wing Rules

    by Pithy Cherub on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:31:58 AM PST

  •  Thank you from Hostess workers (0+ / 0-)

    I love your show and I am truly grateful to hear someone pay attention and get people to at least look at what's going on. I think it is impossible for people to be against us when they know what the facts are. We were banned from speaking to the media while employed so they got to the story line ahead of us. Shut me up now.

    Just to be clear, we will produce Wonder Bread again. We plan on winning this time. Here is video of me on CNBC yesterday answering some questions. I start at 2 1/2 minutes but the whole clip is about Hostess.

    Thanks again. This is the nuttiest couple of days of my life.

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