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Well, it's been an amazing day today.  I'm just reeling from last night because my car's engine blew up in smoke and fire burst in the front.  The fire was put out, thank god, but the car is done with and my family, thankfully, will in the next month or so go with me to buy a Hybrid or something.  At least a car that doesn't depend on gas so much.  However, I'm at the best cafe in Berkeley, the Au Coquelet Cafe having a nice salad and a clementine Izze.  I'm sure Markos has been here since he is (last I checked) a resident of Berkeley.

Anyway, onto the diary:

I really don't understand Ron Paul.  I also don't understand how he gets thousands and thousands of devoted followers, many of whom look at him like the Dennis Kucinich of the Republican Party, who like Kucinich ran twice for President and never won a single primary.  The difference between Paul and Kucinich isn't because of ideology but knowledge and temperament.  Ron Paul has more devoted followers than Kucinich and like Kucinich, is anti-war to the extreme.  That I give Paul credit for.

However, in just about every single other issue, Ron Paul is so far to the right it is not even funny.  Seriously, do Paul's supporters REALLY understand this?

On second thought, Paul does have a number of conservatives and right wing people following him.  No question about that.  There are also a number of libertarians who support Paul because he himself used to be one.

On the other hand, there are those anti-war activists who believe Ron Paul is an authentic, honest man who can really bring a sense of clarity and decency to politics.

PLEASE.  Don't make me laugh.  I'm not naive.  In the words of Ordell Robbie from Jackie Brown, "My ass may be dumb but I'm not a dumbass."

Ron Paul is considered the godfather of the Tea Party and of course his son, Kentucky U.S. Senator Rand Paul is no exception to the rule (although Democrats and progressives on Daily Kos should work REAL hard to make Rand Paul a one-term U.S. Senator).  I consider him the godfather of brainwashed garbage personally.

Michael Steele had to say this on MSNBC in regards to Ron Paul:

“What the Republican National Committee did to Ron Paul was the height of rudeness and stupidity for this reason: Why would you alienate an individual who has the ability to attract a new generation of voters, who are already skeptical of your institution but are willing to at least listen through the vehicle of this individual and the words that he is saying? Why would you alienate them, get on the floor and not let them speak? Not have his name go up on the board and see the number of electoral votes that he receives? This is crazy!”
I agree with Michael Steele on one point.  The Republican National Committee gave a deplorable treatment to Ron Paul and his followers because they have every right to have a voice at the Republican National Convention.

On the other hand, maybe the RNC has a point.  It's not so much that Ron Paul is anti-war as his ideas are even further than most conservative ideas.  They would have distracted the 2012 Republican National Convention and made Mitt Romney an even bigger fool than he is for being the Republican nominee for President.

But when Michael Steele mentions "next generation of voters," what next generation of voters?  Voters who can't even take the time and think objectively and gain knowledge to back up their views?  Voters who think Paul is so anti-war that he's all of a sudden declared honest?  Voters who think the best solution to reforming the Federal Reserve is ending it, when not a single business on Wall Street will ever listen to Ron Paul (although I don't like everything the Federal Reserve is doing).

Gee, you'd think these Ron Paul and his passionate, "knowledgeable" supporters would learn a thing or two about the following:

Knowledge
Information
Information Technology (IT)
Information Technology Implementation
Applications of Information Technology

See, the real way of reforming things is in how you present information and make it available to the American public.  In my MBA program at my business analysis certificate program, as well as in my communication with the IIBA (International Institute of Business Analysis) I'm learning a lot on the concept of business analysis, which is to reform business and organizations that are meant to serve consumers and residents across America and the world.  In fact, just a few days ago I wrote a comparative analysis on different cities in the U.S. (such as New York City and San Francisco) that have used Compstat, a database, for a flawed reasoning on how to combat crime.  The bottom line for me is, when I'm offering solutions, I'm thinking outside the box and I'm looking at possibilities as far as improving how the way business, communication and operations are done.  That's why I enjoy IT so much.

Now why don't Ron Paul and his followers think in terms of those innovation ideas?

Look, I like a lot of what Jesse Ventura believes in and I believe he is an intelligent, outspoken person.  Not a dumbass.  However, even Ventura is naive.  He must have supported Ron Raul simply on the basis of honesty.  As if honesty was really what really makes a great president.

No, what really makes a great president is honest, knowledge, being smart and right (like John Kerry has always argued) and practical.  That's what Barack Obama has.  I'm really not sure why Ventura doesn't support Barack Obama because he's accomplished a hell of a lot more in junction with Ventura's beliefs than Ventura wants to admit.  In fact, Ventura would be welcome as hell in the Democratic Party because unlike what he thinks, moderates ARE welcome.  We aren't the Republican Party.  Of course, when there are matters like Medicare and Social Security, we don't compromise.

Anyway, real devotes of Ron Paul would rather be concerned over issues such as:  The secession of states in the United States in promoting ideals of the Tea Party, a party filled with self-centered wasps, elitists and people who don't know what the words "objective" and "real knowledge" really mean.

Oh and yes, the constitution.  Gee, what makes you guys the experts of the Constitution of the United States.  Were you guys the founders?  NO, you weren't.

Here's the constitution as it's summarized from the archives of none other than the U.S. Government Archives:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Basically, what the Constitution of the United States is a blueprint of the U.S.  It isn't a bible like Ron Paul and others have argued.  Whenever people carry a copy of the constitution in their pockets, why are they doing so?  Are they really believe the Constitution is God?

Seriously, Ron Paul and his minions have such a warped understanding of the United States it's unbelievable.  Here's an article put out by Politico, which I'm going to analyze piece by piece:

http://www.politico.com/...

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.
“Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a post on his House website. “There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.”
Secession is a deeply American principle?!  Congressman or should I say, former Congressman Paul, are you living in the 1700's or the 1800's?  All 50 states have been established.  Where were you and your followers in the early 20th century?  Great Depression?  WWII?  Vietnam War?  Reagan Era?  Clinton Years?  Beginning of the Iraq War?

Oh right, I get it.  America is going through change and you don't like it.  BOO HOO!  BOO HOO!

He continued: “If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.”
Since President Barack Obama was reelected earlier this month, a flurry of secession petitions from states were created — most notably from Texas, which with more than 115,000 signatures far exceeds the 25,000 signatures needed for an official White House response. Critics have said it’s disgruntled voters upset that former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney lost.
Um, do you think secession will really solve the problems of civil liberties?  How about electing Congressmen and Congresswoman who can shake up government?  Uh duh, why didn't I think about that?
Paul wrote that secession must still be an option to be used as leverage to make sure the government doesn’t “encroach” on Americans’ liberties.

“In fact, the recent election only further entrenched the status quo. If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.”

Um, yeah.  Sure.  Um.  Right.  Whatever you say Dr. Paul.  Whatever you say.
Paul wrote that secession is a form of American freedom.
“At what point should the people dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an increasingly tyrannical and oppressive federal government?” Paul wrote.
He added: “And if people or states are not free to leave the United States as a last resort, can they really think of themselves as free? If a people cannot secede from an oppressive government, they cannot truly be considered free.”
Ok Ron Paul, if people truly can't be considered free, why don't you fight for better health care since you're such a "doctor?"  Why don't you fight against corporation influence over elections?  Why don't you fight against voter suppression?

"Um, the libertarians won't vote for me."

Bah, who cares about the Libertarian Party?  Just think REAL big and outside of the box.  You do put your party above your country, right?

RIGHT?

Sometimes I feel like I want to send Ron Paul down to the Bahamas so he can sell coconuts.  Maybe he can learn a thing or two about reality.

Nah, maybe the monkeys might find he's weird.

Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM PT: Update:  It's late and I need sleep (IT guys never get enough sleep) but just an FYI, Ron Paul is actually not a threatening person.  He strikes me as a rather decent human being who just has these warped views.  Even Bill Maher would agree with me.

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  •  Ron who™? n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, mumtaznepal, suesue

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:52:46 PM PST

  •  I like Ron Paul a lot personally (0+ / 0-)

    Except for the taking wheelbarrows of gold ingots to market.  That's a bit crazy.

    But his logic about war is pretty solid and a lot of people go to him over Obama because from some people's perspective all Obama does is play the same tired game that most anti-war people want stopped.

    The problem is most antiwar people haven't become as hugely cynical as I have and realize there is no pure anything out there.

    Personally I would vote for Paul or Stein over Obama, but hey, you get what you can right?

    Romney/Caligula 2012!

    by sujigu on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:59:40 PM PST

    •  Jill Stein spews Social Security Propaganda (0+ / 0-)

      Sorry man but I love Stein and her pro environment views but when she went on CNN's Don Lemon show and said Obama wanted to gut Social Security and Medicare, I was thinking....  Um, Ms. Stein, where do you get your information?  Truthout.org or the actual Congressional hearings?

      Seriously, Ms. Stein ought to shut her mouth about Social Security and Medicare but talk about just about everything else.  That's the problem Green Party Presidential candidates have.  Unions don't support Stein and she's never going to get a single union supporting her no matter how hard she tries (unless the GOP is out of Congress for good).

      You are right about Ron Paul re: the anti-war perspective.  I wish more were like him speaking against the anti-war politics.

      But when I want a President, I want a PRESIDENT, not a deluded person like Ron Paul.  I don't care how nice or personally awesome a person is.  I care what they believe in and what they're going to do.

      •  Umm aren't progressive groups around the (0+ / 0-)

        country working hard to prevent President Obama from cutting Medicare and Social Security with the Republicans?  Why would they have to do that if they were confident he wouldn't do his "grand bargain?"  

        Stein rocks although some of her anti-Obama talking points can be a bit grating. As for being a good person, isn't that part of the reason why Obama was elected?  The other guy is an evil vulture capitalist who will sell his mother for a nickel while Obama is a good man at heart who will fight with your values?  

        Romney/Caligula 2012!

        by sujigu on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:20:18 AM PST

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  •  Ron Paul is looney. But I am fascinated by his (2+ / 0-)
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    Orinoco, Miggles

    legion of fans.

    See my diary on Ron Paul's big Fed meeting where he flamed out in spectacular fashion.  Remember, the Fed was his #1 enemy and he gained House Monetary Chair in 2010.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    I think this meeting hastened his retirement.

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

    by shrike on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:07:59 PM PST

  •  People hear what they want to hear and filter out (4+ / 0-)
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    the rest.  Ending foreign intervention, ending the drug war (legalizing marijuana), getting the federal government out of the discussion about reproductive rights and same-sex marriage; these are what people hear.  They don't hear the rest of the whack-job wingnut rhetoric that Ron Paul spouts from the moment he wakes up in the morning until he drifts off to sleep at night...

    I have otherwise liberal young adult children.  I've seen this in person...

    "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    by Jack K on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:11:54 PM PST

  •  Ron Paul is done. His son, Kentucky Senator (0+ / 0-)

    Rand Paul, is not like his father, and I consider Rand a very dangerous threat to liberty in this country.

    Rand is smart, and slick.  He is all about power.  He is completely devoid of any emotion or feeling.

    "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

    by mumtaznepal on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:20:05 PM PST

    •  Can you elaborate? (1+ / 0-)
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      I've seen Rand as exactly like Ron, if a bit more orthodox GOP.

      Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

      by MrAnon on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 08:28:17 PM PST

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      •  I don't trust him. He doesn't seem to have his (0+ / 0-)

        father's emotional investment in those Libertarian beliefs.  Rand feels he's the entitled heir, but he plays that base for power.  He mouths Libertarian words, but he's just a power hungry jerk. Rand is surround by nasty Tea Party people.  His father believed what he said - Rand mouths it and just wants to be a very powerful man.

        Rand is running for President in 2016.

        "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

        by mumtaznepal on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 08:42:41 PM PST

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        •  I'm not doubting that he's power-hungry (0+ / 0-)

          I'm questioning whether he's that different from his father in this regard. Remember, the senior Paul sold racist rants to racists with the intention of sparking controversy. He also flip-flopped on a lot of social issues during his latest campaign for Presidency in order to act "liberal", even saying "I hope to be the Republican that takes the youth vote" in a debate.

          Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

          by MrAnon on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:46:40 PM PST

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    •  Rand is Ron Paul to the extreme (0+ / 0-)

      He's very pro-power and that's what's scary.  He's more far right than Mitch McConnell, who was never a right-winger to begin with.  He was a conservative Republican since the mid 1980's, a Reagan Republican.

      Ronald Reagan would be outraged at Tea Party Republicans.

  •  Ron Paul is like re-branding "Miracle Whip" (0+ / 0-)

    to people in upper New York State and parts of Ohio and Michigan as "Cains Mayonnaise".

    It's kindalikeit. But notthesame.

  •  Ventura is more libertarian than liberal (0+ / 0-)

    He stands with us on a couple of issues, like wars, civil liberties, campaign finance, and healthcare, but outside of that he is more conservative.

    Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

    by MrAnon on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 08:20:44 PM PST

    •  Ventura is very liberal. VERY liberal (0+ / 0-)

      Pro environment, pro-union, pro-gay marriage, pro-Occupy, anti-war, pro-healthcare, pro-campaign finance, and pretty much socially liberal on everything else.

      The only thing Ventura is conservative on is fiscal matters.  I mean, being fiscally conservative is pretty much a no-brainer.  Who doesn't want to balance their checkbook?

    •  On and pro-choice too (0+ / 0-)

      I read and own Jesse Ventura's "I Ain't Got a Time to Bleed."  He IS welcome in the Democratic Party if you read his beliefs.  The problem is, the Democratic Party has got to be more inclusive.  We aren't the GOP for crying out loud.

      •  Meh (1+ / 0-)
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        Tbh, the main reason I'd rather not have him are his conspiracy beliefs like 9/11 and 2012 apocalypse. Those kinds of things are easy fuel for the Republicans to not only use against him, but against the party in general.

        Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

        by MrAnon on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:41:51 PM PST

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  •  Young people like him (0+ / 0-)

    because he supports legalizing marijuana.

    Shop Liberally this holiday season at Kos Katalog

    by JamieG from Md on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:09:57 PM PST

  •  I understand that folks get banned for (0+ / 0-)

    Having a good word to say about Ron Paul.

    So why bother having a discussion?

  •  I can't read this in-depth atm (working on paper) (0+ / 0-)

    but I really need to get into looking at Ron Paul seriously one of these days, if only to understand his supporters better.

    I stopped immediately when you said that his supporters should look into IT - some of the most ardent Paul supporters I know work in IT, actually. He IS trendy among young people to a degree, and legalization of marijuana is a big deal from the aspect of justice. I don't smoke pot, my only 'substance' habit is eating too much salt; nonetheless, I find our treatment of marijuana users to be a miscarriage of both fiscal sensibility and social justice, particularly when the drug war is broadly executed on racial grounds.

    In the last year or two where I've started getting really involved in political news, I have yet to see any liberal or progressive thinker (I'm sure it's done, I just don't know where) get into anything that feels like an honest engagement and critique of Paul rather than a superficial one. I oppose him mostly on general grounds of being not-a-Republican and not-a-Libertarian but I'm given to understand that neither label fits him especially cleanly.

    Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?

    by ConfusedSkyes on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 12:17:23 AM PST

    •  Don't underestimate the power of... (0+ / 0-)

      Knowledge Democrats.

      I suggest you talk with me and another person on Daily Kos.  He (I believe it's a he) are actually starting a movement on Daily Kos called the "Knowledge Democrats," based off the candidacy of Jerry Tetalman, the guy I've been trying to promote like mad on Daily Kos because he's the most progressive candidate the Democrats have ever run in Congress.  Yet he got NO support from Democrats in any credible organization.  Why?

      Because he could not beat Darrell Issa?  Tetalman is the same person who has appeared and participated in many piece conferences around the world and has met with and chatted with Desmond Tutu of all people.  Gee, some progressive fighting people we have on here.

      The reason why I supported Tetalman and want him in Congress or at least a major voice in the dialog in the Democratic and progressive movement is because he's the most non-ideological progressive ever to run for Congress.  Tetalman has a vast amount of knowledge and intelligence, more so than even Rob Zerban or Ami Bera (and Zerban and Bera are very intelligent and smart in their own right).  Tetalman is about knowledge, practical politics rather than talking points.  And the best thing is, no matter how realistic he is, he always becomes an authentic progressive.  Now isn't that refreshing for a Democrat who never talks talking points?

      As for these people who work for Ron Paul and his movement in IT, what kind of IT are they doing?  Just social media and Internet marketing?  They've got to do more than that.  How about reorganizing the way Congress communicates with its constituents?  How about reforming the EDD, a government department in California that is run like it still lives in the 1980's?  How about demanding and putting a petition to make the C-Span channel a regular TV channel instead of cable TV and a required channel to view?  Don't people need to see their constituents in action in Congress?  I've sure seen a lot of Congressional hearings myself.

    •  Correction: Peace, not "piece" (0+ / 0-)

      "Tetalman is the same person who has appeared and participated in many piece conferences around the world and has met with and chatted with Desmond Tutu of all people.  Gee, some progressive fighting people we have on here."

      I meant to say peace conferences, not piece conferences.  It's late in the night and I need sleep.  Have a bunch of IT papers to write for classes.

  •  Paul says "replete with references to God" (0+ / 0-)

    That is what he said about the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. He said they were "replete with references to God".

    Of course, the Declaration just has some abstract reference at best and the Constitution has no reference at all, save perhaps the use of the date as "the year of our Lord, 17blahblah. . . I confess that I forget the exact year.

    The point is, though, the constitution is "not replete with references to God" and that Paul is not the Constitutional expert he portrays himself as.  When he states that the Separation of Church and State is "one way", based solely on his erroneous notion that the Declaration and Constitution  are God infused documents, he is simply ignoring history and facts in favor of his idiotic ideological perspective. . .one entirely not based upon the facts.

    As Madison, the father of the Constitution put it, "religion and government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together."

    Ron Paul is an idiot.

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