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I know most people are following Dave Wasserman's tally sheet to track the presidential candidates percentages and see when Mitt Romney drops below 47.5% to be rounded to 47%

But it has already happened at Wikipedia.

Scroll down the page to where they break out the percentatges to two decimal points and you will see Romney showing up at 47.49%.

We're there!

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  •  asdf (9+ / 0-)


    The odd thing is - Wiki has FEWER votes recorded - yet Romney below 47.50%

    Wasserman's totals account for many MORE votes - but have Romney at a HIGHER percentage - which is odd, since almost ALL of his uncounted votes come from BLUE states that Obama won heavily.

    In other words, something is inconsistent between the two sources.

    Though Wasserman is on the verge of having Romney fall below 47.50 percent. He has to break it out to over FOUR decimal places currently. :D

    Sadly, everything Communism said about itself was a lie. Even more sadly,, everything Communism said about Capitalism was the truth.

    by GayIthacan on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 03:38:57 PM PST

    •  more in some states (4+ / 0-)

      less in others.  Less in Alabama, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Jersey, Oregon, Texas, all except Oregon to Romney's detriment.  And I just noticed for Utah, Obama has less votes, and Romney has more...

      •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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        a shortfall of half a million votes would NOT be possible and have the percentages be relatively correct - since most of the outstanding vote was and is from CA, NY, and NJ. :D

        In short - the numbers are weird either way!

        I trust Wasserman more than Wiki on this one. But he is about to fall beneath 47.50 with Wasserman as well.

        Sadly, everything Communism said about itself was a lie. Even more sadly,, everything Communism said about Capitalism was the truth.

        by GayIthacan on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 04:18:18 PM PST

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        •  shortfall (0+ / 0-)

          The shortfall is only 91,285.  Not sure what half a million refers to.  But I agree, I trust Wasserman more.

          •  asdf (0+ / 0-)


            you also have to include all of the votes for OTHER as well when figuring the percentages - and Wiki has the total OTHER vote at 2,176,551, while Wasserman has it at 2,154,904 - a significant difference of over 20,000 there as well. :D

            But it is still looking good for Mittens to end up just over 47% - rounded down, of course.

            Some irony is SO DAMN SWEET!!!! :D :D

            Sadly, everything Communism said about itself was a lie. Even more sadly,, everything Communism said about Capitalism was the truth.

            by GayIthacan on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 05:19:10 PM PST

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  •  hahahahaha (6+ / 0-)

    we've crossed the round-down-to-47 threshold!

    how richly deserved

    keep your eyes on the sky. put a dollar in the kitty. don't the moon look pretty. --becker&fagen

    by homo neurotic on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 04:06:17 PM PST

  •  he's going to have to change his schtick... (5+ / 0-)
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    weck, Gooserock, Sharon Wraight, blueoasis, Plu Mittch-A-Sketch Romney and his fellow co-conspirators in the plutocracy, are going to have to hate on the...53 percent of the People of this country...whom they, well, despise.

  •  reasons (6+ / 0-)

    Was Romney a terrible candidate?  sure.  Was Obama a good candidate? yes  Do voters remember the Bush legacy?  yup  The last answer explains this election cycle--the Rs tried to ignore W but the people remembered.  Rove should have tried to resurrect Bush somehow-- a difficult job, but one he never attempted.  Hiding him in the closet made his stench worse.

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 04:23:21 PM PST

    •  Bush (2+ / 0-)
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      The GOP tried to have it both ways with Bush. They wanted to pretend he didn't exist, didn't involve him in the campaign at all, at least not that I saw. Yet, Romney refused to differentiate himself at all from Bush, and got offended if people even asked him how he was different from Bush.

      It's a fair question. A candidate should be expected to embrace or distance himself from his predecessor. It is part of learning who the candidate is.

      The GOP had a mantra whenever it was pointed out that the problems began under the Bush adminstration. Over and over, the GOP kept claiming that everything was GREAT until Obama took over, and got huffy when told that wasn't true. It seems the public didn't buy what the GOP was selling. Plus, Republicans are still blaming Jimmy Carter, blaming FDR and blaming Teddy Roosevelt (Atlas Shrugged is a call to return to the Gilded Age)

      Aside from Richard Nixon, when as any former president ever been this shoved to the side?

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 09:25:33 PM PST

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      •  Actually, aside from Reagan their presidents (1+ / 0-)
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        and failed candidates all become tainted and affixed with a scarlet letter.

        Nixon, Ford, Herbert Walker Bush, George W. Bush, all cast aside and pretended they never existed.  Bob Dole, McCain, and now Romney, who is going to simply disappear from the party structure.  

        The GOP is hoping of permanent amnesia amongst the electorate when it came to their stalwarts, and that had worked in the past, but in the age of instant refreshers via the internet it has become an impossible task.  

    •  They tried to paint Obama with the Bush brush (2+ / 0-)
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      OleHippieChick, melvynny

      And people remember how much of a divider & how un-presidential the president #43 was.  Whatever Obama is, he is not divisive (almost to a fault), except to those from the racist south.

      44 Forward.

      Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting

      by sacrelicious on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 10:02:03 PM PST

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  •  Can't use Wikipedia as a primary source. Still, (2+ / 0-)
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    it's looking good.  Other sources will soon be there.  It will only be temporary though.  He's headed for 46 something, which is better for the President.

    •  Wasserman's spreadsheet is also not (2+ / 0-)
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      a primary source. There really isn't a primary source for the national popular vote count.

      •  The primary source(s) would be the offices (2+ / 0-)
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        of the various secretaries of state.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 09:29:51 PM PST

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        •  no (0+ / 0-)

          the primary sources are the various county board of elections or equivalent websites.  Several thousand websites.  That is why it is so daunting to just recreate the data oneself.  The state websites are invariably out of date.

          •  hmmm (0+ / 0-)

            well, in defining the offices of the secretaries of state as the primary sources, i was thinking that they are the record-holders -- it's not clear to me that all county boards "publish" their records in any fashion other than whatever "documents" they use to report the numbers to the secretaries of state.

            i assume it also depends on each state's law, where/when/how the vote is "official". since, ultimately, it is the secretary of state (in the states that i know of) who certifies the overall count, the counts that are "certified" or in whatever other legal construction submitted to the secretary of state don't actually count until the secretary of state says they do.

            but, yeah, i guess if you can get the numbers from the counties, you can get the totals faster than you can get them from the S.o.S., since presumably the S.o.S. will accept the counties' totals. but then, perhaps not, if there are disputes over provisional ballots etc.

            To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

            by UntimelyRippd on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 07:12:46 AM PST

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          •  I would say only the certified results (0+ / 0-)

            can be considered primary sources, and the SoS of all the states has to certify. So those are the only sources for national popular vote that could be considered "primary."

  •  It's like eBay (1+ / 0-)
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    Only backwards.

    "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

    by KateCrashes on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 05:49:54 PM PST

  •  So does Mitt lose (0+ / 0-)

    Facebook fans or his share of the popular vote quicker?

    Currently showing an amazed Mitt Romney on what the space bar does.

    by RVKU on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 07:37:27 PM PST

  •  LA Co. apparently updated with 59,393 more votes (2+ / 0-)
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    tzager, blueoasis

    And Wasserman hasn't included that update yet, while Wikipedia has.

    If you add the difference in the number for Los Angeles Co. in the two spreadsheets (you'll find the link for CA and other state spreadsheets on the Wikipedia talk page) to the totals Wasserman has, the national numbers become:

    Obama: 64,490,131 (50.81%)
    Romney: 60,278,048 (47.49%)
    Others: 2,156,502 (1.70%)

    Total: 126,924,681

    So Romney falls under 49.5%, Obama's margin rises to 3.32%, representing a difference of over 4.2 million votes, and total turnout approaches 127 million.

    I'd expect an update early tomorrow on Wasserman's spreadsheet, with perhaps additional updates from other counties/states I haven't seen, that should make Mitten's fall to 49% "official", kind of.

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