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Please bear with me here. I think it might have been 1975. I was like six. I recall like it was yesterday. My father was a professor at the Army War College. Fort Levenworth. I remember being told we were going to hear a "great" American speak.

That man was John McCain.

I recall like it was yesterday walking with my father, hand in hand. We got there and McCain took the stage and the place just erupted! It is one of my most powerful and early memories I have. I can't put to words what he said, how he told of how he was tortured. How he even joked about it.

I left that hall thinking McCain was a great American.

I have since questioned that. So has my father. I find that sad at levels I can't wrap my mind around. He seems to be a bitter old man.

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  •  He Used To Seem To Be Somebody (10+ / 0-)

    I could like even if I didn't agree with him. Now he just seems like an angry old dude. I find that sad.

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 01:44:19 AM PST

  •  It IS sad. (6+ / 0-)
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    kalmoth, aseth, mapamp, deha, Kevskos, CroneWit

    You don't have to agree with someone to respect them, however they should do things that make them worthy of your respect.  Even in 2000, I didn't think McCain would be a disaster if he'd gotten the nomination and were elected.  How someone can change that much in a relatively short time is a mystery to me.

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:52:22 AM PST

    •  His tenacity as a prisoner merits respect. (1+ / 0-)
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      luckylizard

      His political career and personal life merit none.

      I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

      by labradog on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 07:05:22 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Considering how hawkish he is now (1+ / 0-)
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      If McCain had been elected in 2000 and had been president during 9/11 there's no telling how many countries he would have attacked.

      •  There is that... (0+ / 0-)

        But I don't think he's the same guy he was then.  Age and his failed presidential runs have taken a toll.  I think he was especially damaged by the brutal attacks from W in the 2000 race.  

        I'm not defending who he is now, but he may have aged differently if circumstances hadn't intervened.

        -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

        by luckylizard on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:54:30 AM PST

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  •  Susan Rice Deserves Our National Thanks (7+ / 0-)

    As one looks for ulterior motives for what is driving McCain's bizarre Susan Rice obsession of late, the focus goes to the possibility that it is revenge for Rice doing her job as an Obama foreign policy campaign spokesperson in 2008 by pointedly criticizing McCain. If she did her job effectively and made people realize that McCain was not suited to be Commander-in-chief than there is something you can say regarding McCain's recent behavior. Our nation thanks you Susan Rice.  

  •  Maybe it's an Navy thang but (12+ / 0-)

    as the daughter of a senior Navy officer (and proud of Dad), I saw in John McCain the entitled but neglected son of an admiral. It's a bit of a stereotype, but it's just how he struck me. Rash, careless, under performing outside the political sphere (if you look at his career) and someone who defaults to a "booyeah" mentality when faced with delicate decisions.  

    Aside from his POW experience which by account seems to be admirable, he underperformed academically in a slacking kind of way, got in trouble and out of it due to his Dad's position, and didn't do that well as an officer or as a liaison. He wasn't promoted to admiral for a reason. His performance as a politician was notable due to connections, timing, and marriage to money.

    Some of his instincts were noble, but only superficially to me. I thought his moderate 1960s style conservatism was decent, but he didn't keep those principals. And while he could perform on cue (as he did to the "he's an Arab" woman), his recent voting record sold out those sentiments in order to get re-elected. His policy positions and strategic maneuvering are ham-handed.  He's not that bright.

    And what if he had won his presidential bid? Vice President Palin is a boulder big enough to sink a lifetime of achievement, if he had that.

    I get where you are coming from, but McCain, with a couple notable exceptions,  has been best at exploiting his circumstances rather actual deeds. And no one's done him any favors by lionizing him and keeping him on Sunday shows with such alarming frequency.

    He's bitter for a reason, cuz he knows you can only get so far on what you are lucky enough to get by chance.

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    by ksh01 on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:20:37 AM PST

  •  I met him in south carolina (1+ / 0-)
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    during the 2000 primaries and I was definitely impressed by him, the Palin thing - if you ever watched Game Change - was really his advisers fault, though I guess it ultimately comes down to him.

    But yea, I dunno if he has major mental issues now or what - he just seems crazy.

    A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people ... restore their government to it's true principles.

    by maddrailin on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 04:40:51 AM PST

  •  Wasn't he always kind of an entitled jerk? (4+ / 0-)

    Both in the Navy and afterwards.

    That seems to be the consensus from everything I read.

    I mean, it's awful that he was captured and tortured but it doesn't seem like that changed his personality much......

    Show us your tax returns !!!!!!

    by Bush Bites on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:01:38 AM PST

  •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

    Did your father explain the Savings and Loan scandal to you? Or the spoiled brat political tactics? Or the way he gets himself in front of the media at every opportunity? Or was it his great immigration bill that he denied supporting?

  •  I am an old man. For many years now, I have (3+ / 0-)
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    had older relatives and friends succumb to Alzheimer's and other dementia. Their personalities sometimes change. They truly are not themselves any longer. It is hard to watch, but I have seen it several times.

    Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

    by hestal on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:07:12 AM PST

    •  Gradual and insidious (2+ / 0-)
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      Kevskos, hestal

      and often unrecognized for years. The damage to relationships can be devastating. So sad.

      A little blue dot in a vast sea of red.

      by deha on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:34:15 AM PST

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      •  A story that supports your comment: (2+ / 0-)
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        About twenty years ago I was invited to spend Thanksgiving with a family of friends. I knew the children, but I did not know the parents. The children, over years, had told me about their parents and when I finally met them I found that the description of the father that I had heard was dead on. The man I met was the man his children described. But the mother was not like the description I had heard. She was a different woman. She was not outgoing, but she was pleasant. She was not an avid conversationalist, but used a few phrases to keep the conversations going. When responding to direct questions, she made cute quips but gave no information. She was different and her children had not yet recognized the changes. This lady later became my mother-in-law, and I saw her change even more as her Alzheimer's worsened.

        Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

        by hestal on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:08:09 AM PST

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  •  Being a torture victim does not... (0+ / 0-)

    ...make one a great American. McCain is proof.

    I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

    by labradog on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 07:04:00 AM PST

  •  you're either righteous or not. he chose. nn (1+ / 0-)
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    wilderness voice

    consider these terms: ocean rise, weather re-patterning, storm pathology, drout famine, acceptance of nature

    by renzo capetti on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 07:13:17 AM PST

  •  He is a great speaker (0+ / 0-)

    Not a great man.

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    by JamieG from Md on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 07:47:10 AM PST

  •  Never liked him never will. (0+ / 0-)

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 09:21:04 AM PST

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