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I just quit using the micro-blogging application known as twitter. I was an early adopter of twitter but did not get it at first. The notion of "following" someone seemed decidedly odd to me. Was a follow tantamount to stalking them? And besides the very concept of following someone seemed weak somehow. I wanted to make my own way in the world. Neither did I want anyone following me. Though now I'd like you to follow me below the fancy quasi-infinity squiggle.

People following me on twitter? Why would I want that? Why would they want to do that? I head-boogie to Attention Deficit Disorder so following me could result in intellectual motion sickness. Besides I have very little to say that could be regarded as profound and even less so in 140 characters.

At last I found a use for twitter that connected with a TV program I watch daily, namely; C-SPAN's Washington Journal program. The WJ features pols pundits and reporters discussing issues and sponsors a twitter feed @cspanwj. Several times a segment the C-SPAN host will ask the guest a question or read a statement posed by those of us on the twitter feed and that was the initial attraction. Its easier than dialing and re-dialing your phone into disrepair. Moreover if you are insightful and/or witty, you can get more than one tweet per month read on the air. I had found my twitter home, these were my peeps; focused on politics and ready to offer up hot political opinions. Since many of us were tweeting as we watched the program debate often broke out between us on @cspanwj that had little or nothing to do with what occurred on the program. Fairly often that debate tended to be courtesy-free and insult rich.

I found the vitriol disturbing. It was making me quite angry quite often. I had told myself that by tweeting progressive views I was not time-wasting but rather helping to save civilization. Perhaps it was this smidgen of arrogance that brought flack my way, or it could be that conservatives and libertarians see assholeness as a virtue rising directly from their philosophy. At any rate, the flack came along with an unending flow of ignorant, weird and crank notions.

Being a good liberal I wish the U.S. Treasury had a dollar for every time I was on the receiving end of an F-you bomb. But the day I was called a "cocksucker" I knew it was high time to quit twitter. Still I did not yet possess the resolve to do so.

The conservatives and libertarians are often Rush or Fox-informed. They know a version of current events but one that does not comport with reality. When I attempted to acquaint them with facts and reality-based-community reasoning, they went meshugganah. One would have thought the end of the world arrived the night I said that America was browning and in a hundred years or so whites would probably be olive colored. At once I was fending off tweets from three Right-Wingers accusing me of proposing a genocide of the white race. Another accused me of bringing back Eugencis which everyone knew had been and still was a part of the liberal agenda (thank you not Jonah Goldberg). There is, seemingly, no end to the crank notions stored in Right-Wing noggins.

As for those crank notions, I was amazed by the libertarian woman who in a discussion of the causes of the U.S. Civil War suggested that the North could have avoided the war by simply buying & manumitting the South's slaves. I tried to explain that Southern slave owners viewed such an offer as an insulting attempt to destroy their way of life. She never got it. The libertarian way to deal with race is to not acknowledge it as portrayed by Stephen Colbert's tv character. When you do not see race, or racial issues, slavery is readily reduced to an economic transaction. At any rate, I provided her with a link to Professor David Blight's free online course on the Civil War. Yet on hearing that Blight was at Yale, she demurred. Nothing truthful could emerge from the mouth of a Yale professor apparently.

I was in no way surprised by Mitt Romney's comments regarding the 47%. I had been reading right-wing tweets about those 47% bums for over a year. Along with tweets stating that we liberals constantly thought about and envied successful business people because we ourselves are incapable of success. In tweet after tweet right-wingers made clear that the liberal project was to take/steal the wealth of the "successful." Actual liberals were not tweeting such sentiments but only, inferred right-wingers, because it was a hidden agenda.

When the "you didn't build that" fake scandal erupted, I yawned. Right-wingers tended to copiously tweet in grandiose terms about what they had built. It seems they see themselves engaged in epic struggle. The small business oriented right-winger tends to believe himself to be the hero in an up from the bootstraps Randian story. Only when one presses these would be Howard Roarks, Dagny Taggerts, & John Galts does one discover that they inherited the business or have been helped by the hated Federal Government in a variety of ways. And, of course, people actually struggling to build a real small business don't have time to be right-wingers on twitter.

As time went on I noticed that I was having the exact same debate with the same people over and over. Nobody's mind was being changed and by then no one pretended to any sort of openness so the insults came faster. But that didn't cause me to stop.

What did it was a bully & the gang he attracted. I ran into a character who featured himself to be a John Wayne-ish man's man. I'm sure you know the type from tv or movies since real life examples are less prominent today. I watched as he would enter into disputes with people on the feed and eventually get to a place where he questioned their integrity, parentage & finally called them vile names. He got off on it.

I was drawn to conflict with this jerk like a moth to the flame. I could and did make the Coo-coo pop out of his forehead by questioning his false and dubious assertions; his only slightly hidden birtherism and his claim of owning an integrity that never encountered an error it had to admit to. When he told me to F-off I came back with reasoned response which I'm sure infuriated him more than cussin-back could have. But he began to refer to me as a Schwarzeneggerian "girly-man."

Girly-man. It is not an objection to any political philosophy or view I hold. Rather it is an assertion that I should not exist because what I am does not measure up to a mythical standard of masculinity claimed as nominal by my bully. I at once realized that he was projecting. Indeed it was my bully who was attempting to cover over his apparently acute sexual insecurity with an ubermenschen schtick. I did not hesitate to tell him so on several occasions arguing him into head-exploded silence. And in a day and age where LGBTs are out and mostly accepted in consensus reality a "girly-man" name-call from a crank wasn't shit. And yet... it was inducing great feelings of anger & powerlessness in me. As happens with bullies at just this time his colleagues began taking up the name-call meme. I knew then that it was time to go. I was not going to start throwing name-call mud at the bullies; I graduated from high school. So I deleted my twitter clients and am now twitter free.

I'm thinking now that I need to put my passion into more diaries here.  


Originally posted to dfwlibrarian on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:34 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (131+ / 0-)
  •  And I was just going to follow you. Sigh. (40+ / 0-)

    Kidding of course, I find reading tweets too distracting with all the @'s and #'s. Never joined. I'll be glad to read diaries though. Hopefully you will find more civil discussion here.
    Also, I hope you don't mind I added comma's to your tags to separate them so they are easier to read (otherwise it is one long word).

    Oh for crying out loud!

    by 4mygirls on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:46:10 AM PST

  •  Some ancient history. (11+ / 0-)

    /. had a notorious troll with socks on named twitter. One sock was erris. Thankfully I have been able to forget the rest.

  •  I have never understood twitter (31+ / 0-)

    What the heck is it? Why is it necessary? Same thing with FB

    This site and my email are enough for news and keeping in touch

    •  It's a toy. (13+ / 0-)

      It started off as a tool, but now it's just a toy. That's really all you need to know about it.

      You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

      by kenlac on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:54:37 AM PST

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      •  Started as a toy, IMHO, one can text any amt (2+ / 0-)
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        of chars to anybody and to more than one so it is useless except as facebook ultra-lite.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 01:23:49 PM PST

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      •  Totally disagree (20+ / 0-)

        It's still a great tool for news and for finding new stories that are interesting and relavent but otherwise you wouldn't have found (though this depends on following the right accounts).

        It is a toy for a lot of uses, but that can be fun a lot.  What can I say, I'm of the millennial generation, we love our gossip and social media.

        It is done. Four More Years.

        by mconvente on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:33:03 PM PST

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        •  exactly (8+ / 0-)

          your twitter feed is going to be as smart and funny as whom you choose to follow. it's completely in your control.

          "What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say"~Ralph Waldo Emerson

          by 73rd virgin on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 07:25:43 PM PST

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        •  Twitter's my tightly focused, highly personalized (6+ / 0-)

          news and politics feed -- and the best part is that there's absolutely no penalty (literally or figuratively) imposed for only receiving and not sending (or RTing).

          I don't use Twitter to try and enlighten anyone - there are far too many on there who are much better suited to that folly - I'm on Twitter simply to get a jump on being enlightened by others. Again, I don't really do the Tweeting or Retweeting thing -- although I will embed an occasional ToI (Tweet of Interest) on DKos just like I might do with a blockquote and link to a web page.

          In the past I've mocked news outfits like CNN for seeming to rely too heavily on Twitter as a wire service replacement - and for a while I'm not too sure they hadn't done just that - but once you get your follow list pared down to what you feel are the essentials it's a flat-out stunning informational tool.

          Another fascinating thing about Twitter is how it can act as a "confirmation" tool. A few weekends ago I was sitting on the sofa at the office doing some research, and swore I felt something shake ever so slightly.. almost like your body might feel if your heart was really pounding (which it wasn't).

          I opened up a new search window on my Twitter app and typed in #Earthquake and suddenly my screen began filling with Tweets like "Did you feel that" and "My house just shook" and so on.  Within a minute or so I'd more or less narrowed down the location (Eastern KY) and confirmation that I wasn't the only one in my area (Central OH) that had felt it.

          It was another 10-15 minutes before I started seeing any mentions of the event on various top-level media -- although I suspect local radio near the epicenter was abuzz (or maybe it wasn't given today's outsourced ClearChannel environment).

          Another tool I've noticed gives a pretty good "emergency" early warning is the Scanner Radio app on my phone. It has customizable alerts which trigger at number of listeners, which is a pretty good indicator that something's going on.

          tl;dr -- Don't shoot the messenger, just train it better :)

          Anyone who thought Apple's Maps would work clearly hasn't used Apple's website.

          by here4tehbeer on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:00:36 PM PST

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        •  It's a fun toy (0+ / 0-)

          That social media "gurus" love to glorify.

          I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.

          by Futuristic Dreamer on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:02:49 PM PST

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          •  Well, that includes Markos (5+ / 0-)
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            Who, btw, is also on the side of us who actually use social media (facebook, twitter, etc.) to engage with friends/colleagues/journalists/etc.

            Social media is a significant reason why we've increased traffic to this site.  See all those share and like buttons at the top?  They aren't there just because.

            I really don't understand why it seems soooooo many people here at Daily Kos abhor social media.  We're supposed to be progressives and adapt with the times, and that includes technology above all.  They don't call it "Netroots Nation" for nothing - the Fore Fathers of the movement used technology (aka, the Internet) to start a movement that has grown immensely.

            As I've mentioned a bunch of times upthread, I think it has to do with privacy, but quite frankly, most young people don't care about that (at least in regard to the Internet).  And the fact that a lot of progressives are not really too keen on being the "cool kids" with regard to social media, but what can I say, all of us Millennials have at least somewhat of an ego, so we gotta show off some how.  lol

            It is done. Four More Years.

            by mconvente on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 12:05:16 AM PST

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            •  I think that is a case of (2+ / 0-)
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              the "antis" making the most noise.

              It would surprise me if the majority of visitors and users here haven't embraced social media.

              We do, however, need a better facebook than Facebook, which is getting worse.

              I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
              but I fear we will remain Democrats.

              by twigg on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 12:23:14 AM PST

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            •  "We're supposed to be progressives..." (1+ / 0-)
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              LOL... the operative word being "supposed".

              The disconnect/irony with Bloggo world is that instead of becoming more enlightened, more progressive, it's actually doing the total opposite-- in the very narrow interest/goal of getting a few "democrats" elected-- namely Obama and a few others.

              OK, NOW WHAT???

              "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

              by Superpole on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:04:49 AM PST

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            •  The internet is killing the movement. (0+ / 0-)

              Off the internet and into the streets!

              I am a young tech savvy radical. I don't let myself pretend posting on the internet is productive, because it's not. It's just fun. Speaking to the choir through a medium where it's next to impossible do real organizing is a waste of time.

              Watching the amount of revolutionary energy my generation wastes on the internet disgusts me.  We are disconnected from each other and the world because of the devices we use to listen to capitalist propaganda 24/7.  I'm sick of being constantly bombarded with messaging, and spied on by social media to enforce conformity.

              I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.

              by Futuristic Dreamer on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 11:50:06 PM PST

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      •  Are you kidding me? (24+ / 0-)

        Do you know how much communication takes place there over human rights violations, wars etc? It saves lives and shames dictators.

        Stay fired up: now is the time to focus on downticket change! #Forward

        by emidesu on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:41:20 PM PST

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      •  Fortunately for us (4+ / 0-)
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        tb92, mconvente, Larsstephens, mattc129

        the political strategists on our side don't share your opinion..

    •  I use it (6+ / 0-)

      because Sukeydata tells you where the police are kettling. That's about it.

      "There's a crack in everything; that's how the light gets in". Leonard Cohen

      by northsylvania on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:13:34 PM PST

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    •  I have family all over the country and (4+ / 0-)
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      all over the world. FB is a great way to keep in touch with them and even get to know some of them for the first time.

    •  Like any other app, (7+ / 0-)

      it's a tool that's effective for some things and useless or even annoying for about 90% of what people use it for. It was oversold as this incredible earth-changing thing but I never saw how it could be. It's really just a version of an email list. I think the important thing with any such app is to analyze what it can and can't do — and if you personally need it.

      I disagree about Facebook. I find I am staying in touch and interacting with people I like and value much more effectively and economically than trying to call or email them periodically. I know what they are concerned about and what interests them and feel closer to a lot of people. Like anything else, it's a matter of knowing how to use it effectively. For instance, when I get a "friend" request, the first thing I check out is if they have crazy delusional right-wing political leanings. If so, they're not joining my network. (I do have some Republicans but not the kind who think every utterance on Fox is the Word of God.)

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 03:54:37 PM PST

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    •  twitter (2+ / 0-)
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      is how lazy people troll.  Those of us with an once of ambition do so in full sentences and complete paragraphs (although we still tend to abbreviate or euphemize the fuck yous.)

      "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe

      by jlynne on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:52:34 PM PST

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      •  but there are other ways to use it (7+ / 0-)

        For example, I follow Paul Krugman.  Now I know when he posts a new blog post or when his column has gone up on the Times.  I don't have to go look for it.  It's right there in my feed, with a handy-dandy link to go right to it.

        I follow Markos.  He tweets whenever he writes a diary.  I might not get on Dkos some days, but if I know he's written something that looks interesting, then I have the link directly to it.

        I don't tweet, I don't follow things that are irrelevant to my interests.  I find it more economical in terms of time and space than using an RSS feed.

        If you took the greed out of Wall Street all you’d have left is pavement ~Robert Reich

        by k8dd8d on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:10:56 PM PST

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        •  Kos tweets during the debates were great. (0+ / 0-)

          A lot of the tweets on CSPAN are hilarious, if for
          the wrong reasons. It feels tedious and demeaning
          to have to read them. Sort of like the comments
          on any yahoo or other online new stories.

          I wish I could just tweet
          and not read them.
          Or had a bot to do it for me.
          Hey Great Idea!

          Good thing there are some of the young ones who
          are and will be pushing back against the vile tide.
          Twitter is strategic and tactical high ground.
          It can help move windows and GOTV.

          Thanks for all of your efforts.

    •  you and me both. (0+ / 0-)

      never understood the purpose.  don't want to either.  seems a waste of time whose only purpose appears to be to separate me from those who would tweet. which seems a good thing.

      November 6, 2012: United citizens = 1, Citizens United = 0 (-9.75 / -9.05)

      by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:02:15 PM PST

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    •  Another good use of FB (1+ / 0-)
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      is to get answers fast about things like, "Does anyone know where I can buy Illy coffee in town?"

      I also ask my friends who are native Spanish speakers about some Spanish question, and always get a reply within an hour or so.

    •  here's how and why I use twitter (16+ / 0-)

      1. the best place to keep up with breaking news, bar none.

      2. it's a great way to deal with reporters, because it is used so heavily by reporters. This includes:
      a. direct Q & A
      b. news tips - if you want a reporter to report on your story, tweet her. If you want the media to notice something, organize a series of tweets.
      c. creation of memes. I can't emphasize this enough. Sue Lowden's expectation of a Senate seat was destroyed on Twitter. So was Romney's foreign policy trip (#Romneyshambles). If the tweets organized around a meme are funny enough, the late night comedy writers start picking up on it.

      3. I tweeted a coal study to David Roberts (@drgrist), who tweeted to @delong, who got Paul Krugman to write on it. For real.

      4. A number of volunteers run a twitter-based policy news service for, primarily, staffers in the House Progressive Caucus. I run @PCNEnvironment and @PCNNatRes (House Natural Resources Committee).

      5. It's a low step on the ladder of engagement - it's easy to RT a #stoprush tweet. (See 6.) From there, an email, a letter to the editor, a phone call....

      6. It is the high tech public stocks for businesses. If enough rotten tomatoes are hurled at a company in public, the company notices. Often, they can be shamed into stopping bad behavior (see, e.g., #stoprush and radio advertisers).

      7. Chuck Grassley. You may think he's a United States Senator from Iowa, but on Twitter he's some sort of performance artist. #assumedeerdead

      8. It's fun!

      Congress can't redo the laws of physics. Do the math. @RL_Miller

      by RLMiller on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:41:42 PM PST

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    •  Facebook allows my large group of friends (0+ / 0-)

      to interact with one another throughout the day, even though we are physically miles apart. It has strengthened our community. I've also learned an amazing amount from the science pages. It can be a tremendous time drain, if you're not careful, but it can also add a great deal to your life.

      "The Democrats are the lesser evil and that has to count for something. Good and evil aren't binary states. All of us are both good and evil. Being less evil is the trajectory of morality." --SC

      by tb92 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:57:28 PM PST

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    •  It's addicting. The thing I find most useful is (0+ / 0-)

      the trending list. You can find out about news before anybody else. Is that useful? Probably not. I will say this about that - if you create a tweet, fitting it into 140 characters forces you to boil down your message.

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:57:53 PM PST

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    •  To me, Twitter is an extremely valuable (1+ / 0-)
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      tool because I can find lists with people/businesses/organizations/concepts who are/that are like-minded or who might be helpful to my learning process about something I want to know.  I find it amazing what you can learn about someone or some organization/project after having them on your Twitter feed for one day! And I love the fact that it's my decision to FOLLOW them or hit the UNFOLLOW link and it's over.

      I can find topics I'm interested in and get to know who the players are in that topic or area of interest. Most of all, I can get rid of them at any point I have learned enough or get bored with what they have to say.

      The most important part of Twitter for me is that I don't have the horrific roadblocks and invasion of privacy that make me so angry on Facebook.  

      I rarely use the word HATE, but I do hate Facebook and google.  Yep, but this is not about google or Facebook, so I'll stop.

      I read the Twitter feed a few times a day.  There is always something going on with GREEN ENERGY and ZERO ENERGY and CONTAINER HOUSING.  I have learned so much by reading Tweets and following links that I'm about ready to stop learning and move forward with the contacts and learning that took place on Twitter.

      And no... I don't own stock or work for them!

      Another thing that happens when I read Twitter:  there is a spiritual guy who showed up on my Twitter feed.  He's in Scotland. He always Tweets something that calms down my agitated mind from working on something difficult or after reading some crap from Politico or some other misguided source. Every time I read one of his Tweets I feel good.  I relax and remember that it's all good. I also follow the Dali Llama, which is even BETTER for the agitated mind!

      Then there was Nate Silver during the election.  Without 538 and Nate's brain I'm sure I would have lost my mind.  It was so easy to just click on his logo and go scroll down, see that he didn't change his mind and get back to what I was doing instead of being irritated by some crap about Mitt.

      I think it's an incredible way of meeting people.  I like the DIRECT MESSAGE function, and it's easy to Tweet to X and ask for a Follow so I can DM a question or introduction.

      Twitter is a fantastic marketing tool if you have something to promote or to sell.  Although I'll be the first to say no to PROMOTIONS, I will sign on if I find something I like from a Tweet. I live in Denver,  We have two amazing Twitter guys (Kyle Zeppelin of Zeppelin Development and Tracy Weil of RiNo Arts and Culture District fame).  And i read their Tweets, look at the pictures and learn from them about how to market something new.  They are both experts and have succeeded in all of their endeavors because they know how to draw you in.  :-)

      So if you signed off Twitter because you HATED it like I did with Facebook and google... good for you.  You can do positive things with your energy if you're not frustrated or yelling at the smartphone screen or the computer monitor.


    •  geez, wuod kwatch, I thought (0+ / 0-)

      I was the only one here who doesn't tweet nor FB.


      dkos is about as social a site as I'd care to experience -- and you can communicate in more than 140 characters.

      To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

      by Youffraita on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:39:20 PM PST

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  •  I commend you. (11+ / 0-)

    Twitter is the most efficient means ever invented to make smart people stupid.

    You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

    by kenlac on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:55:30 AM PST

    •  I beg to differ (4+ / 0-)

      I would put forward that that honor belongs to the comment threads of newspaper blogs. I swear every time I come out of one I have to go read some Sartre or an astrophysics paper to raise my IQ again.

      Twitter can be a cess pool of trolling and vituperation. It can also be a great caring environment. It can be a drag on your time or it can be a lot of fun. It's pretty much just like the rest of the Internet, although you have to frame your thoughts at 140 characters or less.

      I also realize that it isn't for everybody, and some days it isn't for me. But just because someone trolls me or takes up abusive language is IMO no reason in and of itself no reason to leave Twitter. (There may be others but that isn't it.) I know how to block people I don't want to hear from. It makes it easier to keep trace of the people I do want to hear from.

      If you can't say anything nice about the GOP, please post here more often.

      by Omir the Storyteller on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:46:57 PM PST

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      •  I see what you're saying (0+ / 0-)

        but I gotta think most people arrive at the newspaper comments with that level of stupidity, whereas Twitter has this habit of seducing otherwise smart people into becoming reckless one-liner machines.

        You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

        by kenlac on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 06:32:16 PM PST

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  •  I enjoy telling them how their (2+ / 0-)
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    IQ and shoe size match.  

    If money is speech, then speech must be money.

    by dkmich on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:57:07 AM PST

  •  Twittering is what birds do. (4+ / 0-)

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:04:55 PM PST

  •  Vitriol can happen here.... (8+ / 0-)

    and as you described, I too find it disturbing when I'm on the wrong end of it.

    This keeps me from posting many diaries, those I keep on my own web site.  Some I can fashion within the core values of this site, while others would not leave much to say.

    Diaries, before this version 4.0, used to be restricted in length, frequency (1 a day) and substance.  No one paragraph comments as a diary.  The boss ended this since he as he reminds us, he owns the joint, and he decides how it shall be structured.

    It's kind of funny that this main Democratic web site isn't too democratic.  

    •  Yep a bunch of us Kossacks left (9+ / 0-)

      During the meta diaries attacks. We fled to twitter.

      I'm doing great there! Set up my own campaign lists, which Dem candidates were very thankful for since I retweeted their information once a day, same for OFA's .

      It all depends on how one uses it, I was never a 'blogger' have written only a couple of diaries in the years I've been here. I mainly comment, and retweet diaries.

      I do this to help spread information to people. It is a very helpful tool, depending on one's focus, mine is strictly Democratic Parity oriented, plus a focus upon Animal rights and environmental issues.

      I watch morning CSpan occasionally, BUT I've just about blocked everyone of those nut bags that hang out on there as described in the diary.

      I do follow dfwlibrarian who follows me :).

  •  I quit and rejoined (4+ / 0-)

    I don't really go there often, but when someone from red state started following me I decided I needed a change of screen name.  Then, the second time I joined, I learned how to block people I didn't want to follow me. It's a toy, and it can be a time suck, but now I don't even go there until twitter emails me and says I missed something.  Generally, I didn't miss anything when that happens.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:12:16 PM PST

  •  Twitter was one of the social media tools (4+ / 0-)

    covered during my studies over the past three years. First, in an undergraduate program in Communications, and then, in a post grad degree in Journalism.

    Two examples of Twitter's news breaking value were cited in several texts. Michael Jackson's death and the attack on Bin Laden's compound.

    In the case of Jackson, it's not like we weren't going to get the news without Twitter. And in the Bin Laden story, no one recognized the significance of the tweets until afterwards.

    Although I dutifully created an account as required for the programs, they were utterly useless.

    We all stand submissively before the global ATM machine network like trained chickens pecking the correct colored buttons to release our grains of corn. Joe Bageant

    by Zwoof on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:13:18 PM PST

  •  To each his own: I love twitter. (17+ / 0-)

    At least you gave it a try. I find it, er, amusing that so many of the people who love to bash twitter (and facebook) have never used it.

    I use twitter, among other things, to spread the word from these pages:

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    by jan4insight on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:14:12 PM PST

    •  Major Twitter fan here too (19+ / 0-)

      I have numerous interests -- politics, sports, crochet, etc. -- and Twitter gives me a chance to keep track of them without having to spend 24/7 on the computer. I developed new relationships via Twitter during the past baseball season, I pick up links to blog posts and articles I might not find otherwise (including diary material), it's a place where I can vent about what frustrates me and get sympathy and sometimes some solutions. (Tend to do more of my Tweeting from my phone, but I'll do it from the laptop during games so I can chat with my friends while watching on TV.)

      Yes, there's a lot of dreck out there -- but if used properly it can be a great tool for organizing, for informing, and just for fun. I'm sure that the folks in #ArabSpring who used Twitter to alert one another would disagree about it being a waste of time.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:54:32 PM PST

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      •  agree--you can tailor usage--and it is a quick way (12+ / 0-)

        to get information out there.  Within minutes, a good tweet can appear almost immediately on the air running underneath some lying GOPer--correcting the misinformation they spew.  

        It's also kind of fun to figure out a way to say what you need to say within the character limit.

        And it's less narscissistic than FB, IMO.


        If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

        by livjack on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 02:06:32 PM PST

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        •  Every time I get out (of Facebook) (3+ / 0-)
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          it sucks me back in...seems that more news outlets are going to Facebook for their comments sections, which locks out those of us who don't like the privacy holes in Zuckerberg's Kingdom. And more people are Tweeting links that require Facebook login to view. I'm tempted to sign up with Facebook one more time, but just so I can login to do comments and view articles, none of the "status updates" unless it's a general "Still alive..."


          "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

          by Cali Scribe on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:15:34 PM PST

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      •  exactly. I was going to suggest that the diarist (4+ / 0-)

        explore other interests besides politics which is sort of naturally vitriolic anyway these days.

        For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

        by mdmslle on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:22:33 PM PST

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      •  Many of my filker friends are on Twitter (0+ / 0-)

        (filk == science fiction music) so it's a good way to keep track of what they're up to. I've also met a few that I probably would never have met in real life, including a transgendered filker from the UK.

        Plus my little sister occasionally tweets me to wonder why I didn't answer the text she sent me that followed up her phone call about the letter she wrote. She's an odd one.

        If you can't say anything nice about the GOP, please post here more often.

        by Omir the Storyteller on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:51:20 PM PST

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  •  Write 'em up, we'll read them. (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm thinking now that I need to put my passion into more diaries here.  

    "Its always better to be shot from a cannon than squeezed from a tube" Hunter S. Thompson

    by hooktool on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:14:23 PM PST

  •  I've probably spent no more than... (8+ / 0-)

    3 hours on Facebook my entire life.  Zero time texting and twitter and any other social networking except for here.

    God the time I've saved - it's like having a second lifetime available included with the first one.

  •  i thought you would blame colin quinn (1+ / 0-)
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    he retweets everyone who says they aren't going to follow him anymore. i love him so much.

    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

    by thankgodforairamerica on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:22:27 PM PST

    •  LOL... I have no idea who COLIN QUINN is n/t (0+ / 0-)
      •  he's wonderful (0+ / 0-)

        he's a stand up comic.

        his tweets are stupid/naive/arrogant on purpose. people who don't get it explain to him how stupid he is and how they're not going to follow him and he retweets them.

        the best is when things turn into goodfellas. other comics throw in lines. like when it was july 4, someone had paul revere saying he was going out, and karen yells not w/out your reins you're not!

        he's the guy who did long story short- the broadway show about the history of humankind. he also had that show tough crowd w/ colin quinn. back in the eighties he had that mtv game show remote control. it was in his mother's basement.

        he's almost always at the comedy cellar in greenwich vilage. i love him so much.

        "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

        by thankgodforairamerica on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 03:41:26 AM PST

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  •  Please keep writing! (5+ / 0-)

    You have an excellent way with words.
    Don't waste them on blockheads!

  •  Twitter is the perfect platform (1+ / 0-)
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    For those who have a hard time putting more than 10 words together.  The sound byte generation. They do not seem interested in becoming informed, rather letting others do their fact finding for them. So many stupid remarks just makes me wonder about people.

    My Brothers Keeper

    by Reetz on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 01:51:46 PM PST

  •  The thing about twitter is. (7+ / 0-)

    Instead of thinking of it as a fight you can win or lose, thinking of it as something that either gives you something back or it doesn't. If you get bored with a particular layer of your tweet persona, move on.

    I am sorry if you don't like my comments. At least I never promised to just put the tip in.

    by Marcellus Shale on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 02:51:37 PM PST

  •  I just use it to link diaries and got a grin (3+ / 0-)
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    from you saying that nothing could be really said earth shaking or words to that effect in 140 characters although there are some really good one liners there and that is about all it is good for !

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 03:11:47 PM PST

  •  I just hurt somebody (2+ / 0-)
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    very badly on twitter. It can be wonderful I agree, but also has ramifications that aren't always immediately apparent.

  •  Some people love Twitter fights, (3+ / 0-)
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    and I admit I'm not immune from that, but I mostly use it as a news aggregator.
    Twitter is what you make of it.

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 03:53:04 PM PST

  •  "It's the central nervous system of the world" (4+ / 0-)

    That's something I remember David Letterman saying when the show started having an active Twitter account.

    I use it in a much smaller way - a central nervous system of my interests. Musicians, authors, places I love, etc. A little politics, but not much.

    When something interesting or exciting happens in one of those areas, my feed lights up and I am pointed where to find out more if I want to. Or I don't, and let it just scroll on by.

    I've found myself at small, unannounced musical performances, at a last-minute free demo by a favorite chef -  at 10am with a few the few other people that saw the early Saturday morning tweet and like me threw on a pair of jeans and a hat and showed up unshowered.  Plenty of food for everyone.

    On the other hand, a favorite singer/songwriter who shall remain nameless totally turned me off with her tweets and I found myself uninterested in listening to her music anymore. So who knows?

    •  I think people who reject (4+ / 0-)

      something like Twitter get turned off by seeing people using it the wrong way, and they often feel they have no control over it. I hear that from people I know who aren't on Facebook. I tell them, "YOU can decide how you use it. You don't have to be the person who posts that she can't decide what to have for lunch or has to post 'Good night Facebook!' at the end of the day. You really don't have to do that."

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 04:02:15 PM PST

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  •  twitter was there, I had to take it (3+ / 0-)

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:04:06 PM PST

  •  I should join it so I can have the satisfaction... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...of quitting.  That and Facebook.  

  •  Twitter was useful following for the Iran uprising (4+ / 0-)

    but it's not a vehicle for rational discussion.

    look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

    by FishOutofWater on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:27:57 PM PST

  •  that's good to hear (3+ / 0-)

    because every now and then I ask myself - should I "twitter"?
    But  I keep answering "no".
    What do you need it for?

    I was on facebook for a little while till I started receiving e-mails from a right wing mean and nasty anti Obama group.
    It happened because someone I'm acquainted with who seems like a very nice woman added me to her Republican friends group.

    I quit Facebook after that.
    I didn't like it anyway.
    I just don't see the value in it for myself.

     And it doesn't encourage me to know that it's being designed as a commercial personal info machine for merchants who want to ID candidates for the stuff they sell, etc.

    Finally people have gotten sick and tired of being had and taken for idiots. Mikhail Gorbachev

    by eve on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 05:45:42 PM PST

  •  Comments under online news articles (4+ / 0-)

    Especially the comments under Yahoo news articles, seem to attract those same kinds of people. I used to scroll down to read them, but finally realized that they are always these same sick, bullying types that, no wonder what the subject of the article is, even things not remotely related to politics or issues that could be construed as political, have to turn it into a name-calling attack on liberals and/or Obama. In my mind, reading them was a form of self-torture best not inflicted.

    Recently, however, there was an article about Obama gifting Boehner with a bottle of wine for his birthday, and the reporter said that the cost of the wine at some local store was over the limit for a present a congressman was allowed to accept. So of course the wingnuts were going ballistic in the comments section, speculating merrily that Obama was finally going to get nailed for breaking a law.

    I tossed a brief comment into the fray that, since Obama has his own brewery at the White House, maybe the bottle of wine was from his wine cellar and it cost way less when he originally bought it, since it was more than 10 years old. So a wingnut bully wrote a rude comment back, saying, "The law is based on the current price, fool!" My point had simply been that if you had something sitting around for more than a decade, you may not be aware of how much it's appreciated in value.

    His tone irked me--apparently you can't have any kind of civil conversation with these people--but instead of reciprocating in kind, with juvenile name-calling, I thought for a little while how I could really get his goat back. Then I wrote back, "Well, if that's the case, let's hope Boehner gets in big trouble for not having checked on the value of the wine before accepting it." Boy did they go ballistic over that one! I may as well have thrown a grenade into the mix. Hee hee hee! Mission accomplished!

    •  back in the day I used to love Usenet news groups (3+ / 0-)

      but before you knew I think every last group I was involved was swamped by jerks and trolls.

      You see that same mentality displayed on every site that has comments on their stories, no matter how serious the topic is.

      You Tube comments used to mystify me. How, for example does a video of say a cute kitty with a puppy and a bunny produce nothing but snotty remarks about each other's culture, religion, political views and taste in pop music?

      On every last video of anything?

      I always wanted to call their mothers to squeal on them or to send them to the vice principal's office.  

      “We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson

      by astrogeology girl on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:55:38 PM PST

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  •  I only follow people who make laugh (2+ / 0-)
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    And coincidentally are liberal. I also follow Keith Olbermann who is really good at putting the kibosh on negativity. Rarely do I tweet, but I love to laugh at some stuff.

  •  past tense of tweet? (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, Randi Rhodes went there......and I happened to be listening on a terrestrial station, of all things....

    Of course, within FCC strictures, she can get away with it....

    The "extreme wing" of the Democratic Party is the wing that is hell-bent on protecting the banks and credit card companies. ~ Kos

    by ozsea1 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:15:15 PM PST

  •  Heh (0+ / 0-)

    What can I say, I'm part of the Millennial Generation, so that means I'm a big social media user, college educated, don't really care much about my privacy, and have a moderate ego.  I could give lip-service (and have..) to older members here who are meticulous about their privacy, but I figure people shouldn't have any expectation of privacy with the Internet.  I understand concerns about people with their jobs, but there are tools to lock down Facebook to everyone except accepted friends.

    Anyway, so Twitter fits the bit on all those accounts.  I can follow all types of accounts for news (which is my main use for it), I can interact directly with celebrities/athletes/newscasters/etc, which is extremely unique since for the first time ever the barriers between consumers of entertainment and the entertainers themselves have been completely broken down with Twitter. (I've actually gotten responses from Keith Olbermann, Russell Simmons, etc.).

    And I can tweet my dinner creations to all my friends!  (Remember, the ego thing).

    Social media is overwhelmingly used by the Millennial Generation, and this is even more so for Twitter (vs. Facebook).  There's always trolls and jerks on the internet, just have to ignore them.

    It is done. Four More Years.

    by mconvente on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:19:45 PM PST

  •  avoid wars on the internet (1+ / 0-)
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    getting into discussions on the internet, either on twitter, facebook, forums, emails lists, or newgroups on religion or politics is something you should never do.

    Use this site as it does control most of the trolls.

    I use twitter and facebook for business. No personal use.  I don't follow anyone in either site.

    Twitter does have its use.  But not for discussion.

    "The only person sure of himself is the man who wishes to leave things as they are, and he dreams of an impossibility" -George M. Wrong.

    by statsone on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:22:03 PM PST

  •  Have Yet To Get In A Twitter War (1+ / 0-)
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    Occasionally I will reply pointedly to a tweet from a public figure or organization. Might have been once or twice I've sent a pointed reply back to a non-celebrity wing nut. They never replied. Love a good argument but realize that minds are not changed by twitter or facebook battles. Probably just make the non-political more proud to be non-political.  Love twitter though because it is like having a witty wire service that you follow. Politically it can be effective to influencing in public opinion. The night of Ryan's convention speech I joined in trying to get the #lyinryan hashtag going. The media does seem to pick up on what is trending on twitter.

    •  If I follow ppl who are relatively sane (1+ / 0-)
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      and I don't get into twitter wars with them. If a right wing troll starts commenting I ignore them. If they persist, I block them. Simple.

      An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

      by rini6 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 07:18:46 PM PST

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  •  The problem with mud-wrestling a pig is... (1+ / 0-)
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    A) you end up covered in mud.
    B) the pig enjoys it.
    C) the pig has a natural aptitude for it.

    I'm not dissing the idea behind twitter, but it's like any other tool. Sometimes it's the right one for what you want to do, other times it isn't.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:43:25 PM PST

  •  Hurray (0+ / 0-)

    for your selective adoption of technology. It may be that to "keep up" in the modern world, we will one-day all need to adopt Twitter. At one time, civilized inhabitants of the post-industrial Western world, all realized they needed telephone service. Each person needed a private telephone number, shared, at most, by members of one household. Then, in the 1980s, telephone answering machines became universal (I remember that), because people increasingly resented calling somebody who wasn't home, and hearing only ringing. Then, in the 1990s, everybody realized they needed easy access to email and the internet.

    When email first caught on, I jumped on it with both feet. I have had a personal email account continuously since 1996 or so. I love it. I was much slower to adopt cell-phone technology, though I've finally, reluctantly, gotten around to that, too. With my next cell-phone upgrade, I may even acquire text-ing capability, and see how that goes for me.

    It isn't just that I'd aged between the widespread adoption of email, and the widespread adoption of cell phones; I really believe one technology immediately enhanced my life. The other, I adopted only reluctantly, so I could "keep up."

    Thanks for the diary, and for explicitly rejecting a technology that doesn't suit your mentality, social habits, life.

    I hope Twitter is only a fad.

    Tipped and rec'd.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 07:05:00 PM PST

  •  It is nice to converse with like minded ppl (1+ / 0-)
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    Here on Dkos we have relatively like minded ppl regarding politics. On twitter,  I can follow people who have any interest in common with me and it's interesting. It's also the first site that  I see big news stories on and the site I find the most videos and other sites on.

    Still CANNOT believe Syria was cut off from the internet. Is it still in effect?

    An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

    by rini6 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 07:17:26 PM PST

    •  I heard they're back on the net (1+ / 0-)
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      The official news service ( is available, so presumably other parts of the country are too.

      I have to wonder what was so damning that they had to switch off the Internet to hide it.

      If you can't say anything nice about the GOP, please post here more often.

      by Omir the Storyteller on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 09:10:39 PM PST

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  •  the attraction escapes me (3+ / 0-)
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    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 07:33:31 PM PST

  •  I quit commenting on a lot of sites (3+ / 0-)
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    because of the idiocy, vitriol and dogged persistence of the right. Never even bothered with Twitter for the same reason.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 07:58:34 PM PST

  •  On a related note, I've quit Facebook... (4+ / 0-)

    there was a time when I liked Facebook...and then I realized all these supposed 'friends' of mine aren't all that great. The important friends, the ones I truly care about, I talk to on the phone, or see in person. The event that caused me to stop FB was after a third 'friend' never replied to an invitation I sent to have coffee. I mean, if friends can't get together and have a cup of coffee and chat, let alone respond to an invitation, then they're not really friends.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire.

    by JWK on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:41:49 PM PST

  •  LOL!!! I almost deleted everything Twitter this (0+ / 0-)

    morning when I logged on and discovered my account was "suspended". I apparently pissed off some RWNJ's last night. The hash tag #RedNationRising was trending and I decided to fuck with them. yea, I know - should not have. I especially had fun with the word Reign.

    Sharon ‏@gbmegafan
    RT @DeTheBrat Mr @SpeakerBoehner you were voted in to reign in Obama. That is YOUR mandate. Time to walk away. #RedNationRising
    21h Dawn Gulick ‏@DawnGulick
    @gbmegafan @DeTheBrat @SpeakerBoehner Mr Boehner, the time to reign in Obama is 1/20/13. Please do it better than Justice Roberts. KThxBai.
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    21h Deanna ‏@DeTheBrat
    @DawnGulick Trying to figure out your sarcasm here?
    The last tweet just cracked me up! WHAAA? No Sarcasm here!


    haron ‏@gbmegafan
    RT @DeTheBrat Mr @SpeakerBoehner you were voted in to reign in Obama. That is YOUR mandate. Time to walk away. #RedNationRising
    21h Dawn Gulick ‏@DawnGulick
    @gbmegafan @DeTheBrat @SpeakerBoehner Please do not forget to bring a rain coat. IIRC there was a president who caught a cold and died.
    Sharon ‏@gbmegafan
    RT @DeTheBrat Mr @SpeakerBoehner you were voted in to reign in Obama. That is YOUR mandate. Time to walk away. #RedNationRising
    21h Dawn Gulick ‏@DawnGulick
    @gbmegafan @DeTheBrat @SpeakerBoehner And while you are at it. IIRC - those DC cops have horses and bayonets. Might want to rein them in.
    And bonus RWNJ Trolling...
    Free (R) women ‏@kristenp17
    Glen Beck - economy about 2 collapse, urges ppl 2 buy gold MUST READ … MORE … #tcot #rednationrising
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    21h Dawn Gulick ‏@DawnGulick
    @kristenp17 I am so confused. Should I buy gold or bury canned goods in the backyard? My PT job at WalMart does not pay much. On foodstamps.
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    @DawnGulick My best financial advice is bury food stamps in the backyard, they'll be worth more than that canned gold their pushing
    I really had no reponse to that!

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    by mrsgoo on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 08:43:46 PM PST

  •  Quit? I never joined. Has anyone noticed (1+ / 0-)
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    that every new communication device, at least as far back as the telegraph, is heralded as a wonderful new tool for information and understanding and they always turn out to be just another way for us to piss each other off?

  •  I'm an Oldie Olsen of 58, and I just can't get (1+ / 0-)
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    into the Twitter life.  My cell phone alone is about all I can handle these days.  

    Look forward to your diaries instead.

  •  CB -> BBS -> forum -> Twitter (0+ / 0-)

    Each of these generates a romance, and then each introduces the illusion of community. That's the problem, unfortunately. I went through the romance stage on bulletin boards, so when I got to Wikipedia I was already over the "friend" stage, the fascination, and the hope. This is not to my praise or condemnation, by the way.

    Each medium offers the possibility of a community. Each, though, is utterly demotic, and volume is all that actually counts (both in decibels and in numbers). Consequently, each one is home to the self-selected and the sponsored and the demotic side of things. It makes a person aware of why we need Rhetoric, the subject, and why the Greeks eventually cooked up that science to set rules for telling a good argument from a bad one.

    We look, after that, for walls -- honestly -- for a garden with a gardener who will uproot the weeds, because simple community is susceptible to StormFront (bet you ran into them) and adolescent rage.

    Time is not a fiction; it is a narrative.

    by The Geogre on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 04:36:13 AM PST

  •  You can have your social media... (0+ / 0-), can I have my privacy back? Didn't think so. Youse been sold a shitload of snake oil, o' my brothers and sisters.

  •  I Assume You'll Quit dKos Next?? (0+ / 0-)
    The conservatives and libertarians are often Rush or Fox-informed. They know a version of current events but one that does not comport with reality.
    If having a full grasp of reality is a requirement for critical thinking/discussion, there's an appalling lack of that here.

    One example: Obama's plan to raise/spend $50 Billion on infrastructure. that is totally/woefully inadequate.

    The ASCE estimates $2 Trillion expenditure is needed to repair/expand our nation's crappy infrastructure.

    "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 06:56:04 AM PST

  •  You wrote a pretty good diary for a girly-man. (1+ / 0-)
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    Seriously...good diary.

    Also seriously, the internet is the one place (and I've been saying this since yahoo chatrooms in the 90s) where everyone can be a macho 89 year old nun who drives a hemi 4x4 and catches bullets in her teeth.  I learned a long time ago that, when a semi-anonymous forum gets personal and I actually take what someone says personally, it's time for a break.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:17:50 AM PST

  •  I thought Twitter was great for people in (0+ / 0-)

    protests, because they could microblog about real time events, that we need to know about.

    I don't blame you for leaving. I have left other forums that became troll infested orgies of hate myself.

    I look forward to reading more of your diaries.

  •  If you think right wingers are stupid (0+ / 0-)

    Multiply that stupid by 10 and you have right wingers on Twitter...the absolute lowest form of life.  Below paramecia.    

    I have NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER read anything as dumb as the endless cascade of dumb to be seen at #tcot on any given day.  

    By the way, "And, of course, people actually struggling to build a real small business don't have time to be right-wingers on twitter." is very quotable!  Would make a great sig line for you.  

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:32:45 AM PST

  •  I have 7 twitter handles (0+ / 0-)

    I am not giving up any of them.  

    If I get in a war over ideas, I ignore that handle until it is over.  I use other handles to defend the one under attack.  

    Its great fun.  

    Furthermore, twitter is the BEST source for news the world has ever known.  

    The diarist is a fool for leaving it.  The thing to do is to fight harder, not give up and die.  

    The robb'd that smiles steals something from the thief. -- Shakespeare

    by not2plato on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:04:23 AM PST

  •  I signed up 4 Twitter and... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...never used it.
    I was already overwhelmed with Facebook which i had signed up with hoping 2 keep track of doings of my extended family only. Soon,
    friends wanted 2 be added. Why I wondered since so frequently in direct contact with friends.
    Soon family contact info was primarily that the family member had
    befriended someone whom i didn't even know.
    However the enjoyment for me was to be in posting photos. An enjoyment however
    which I never was able to achieve by my own effort though
    i did waste much time in my multiple attempts.
    So, I am now glad
    to note that as of Nov.28,2012
    I am off of
    & through with Facebook.


    •  I forget about my twitter on purpose except to (0+ / 0-)

      post some link to a cause type thing.  I used to get interested and follow and watch and then I don't like the footprint on the 'net and such. Black Helicopters. I guess.
      But that's really why I quit Facebook; I can't stand the way that Fb changes their privacy rules until they get caught, then they have to tell everyone and then make it "optional" etc.
      I don't like being Zuckerberg's commodity, either.

      Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21<> Bring the Troops Home Yesterday

      by Thousandwatts on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:46:03 PM PST

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  •  I have a twitter account (0+ / 0-)

    but I don't understand twitter and as far as I know I have only accrued 5 followers. I follow "up with Chris Hayes" and "RMS" and a couple of pols I supported during election and I tweet at the NYT b/c the comments are generally closed but otherwise don't use my incomprehensible twitter.

    48forEastAfrica - Donate to Oxfam> "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." Edna St.V. Millay

    by slouching on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:57:42 AM PST

  •  IMHO Twitter is for twits. :-D (0+ / 0-)

    If it's
    Not your body,
    Then it's
    Not your choice
    And it's
    None of your damn business!

    by TheOtherMaven on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 09:35:31 AM PST

  •  Dont go! (0+ / 0-)

    We'll miss you on the @cspanwj stream. Fyi- the host @cspanSusan retweeted your diary for discussion .  Plenty of goodness in those tweet feeds, just gotta avoid the crazies. hope you come back! - thehipi

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