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Nancy Pelosi keeps the pressure on Boehner.
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi is keeping the pressure on House Republicans. Last week she announced she was considering introducing a discharge petition that would force House leadership to take up the extension of tax cuts for the middle class that the Senate passed last July. On Sunday, she reiterated that House Democrats are ready to do it.
"If Speaker Boehner refuses to schedule this widely-supported bill for a vote, Democrats will introduce a discharge petition to automatically bring to the floor the Senate-passed middle class tax cuts," Pelosi said in a statement.
Under a "discharge petition," a bill can be brought to the floor without going through a committee or without approval of House leadership. The bill would need an absolute majority - 218 votes - to pass.

While there are only 192 Democrats in the House, some Republicans have expressed support for the bill.

That ups the game of chicken Democrats are having with House Speaker John Boehner. If that bill were to pass, the need for a grand bargain to avert the end of the year tax hikes and spending cuts would be greatly reduced, at least in political terms. That'd be bad news for Boehner, who's trying to extract as much as possible out of a deal. But this vote could be great news for individual Republicans who will have voted to protect the middle class. It's a chance for Democrats to exploit any fissures in the GOP and keep the pressure on Boehner to capitulate on taxes.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:45 AM PST.

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  •  Call or write her office; and encourage her to do (8+ / 0-)


    Emailing requires a CA zip----come up with one, and still send a note of support.....

  •  As the Rs vote it down, even the tradmed (25+ / 0-)

    won't be able to obscure the truth that the Rs only care about preventing a tax increase on the very wealthy.

    The Boehner tax increase on the 98% starts January 1.

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    by TomP on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:57:30 AM PST

    •  Tom - there will be no vote (6+ / 0-)

      unless Pelosi is able to find 20+ Republican House members who will sign her petition. Without Pelosi's successful petition the Speaker will never bring the bill to the floor.

      The time has passed for "threatening" to bring a petition forward. These petitions can be made public along with a list of who signed it. Pelosi should post the petition with all the Dems signatures and show that she has universal support from the Dems (if she does) and continue work on finding the GOP votes. I think this is a very tall order for the former Speaker who never had close relationships with GOP members when she ran the House. No GOP member who is returning for the 113th Congress will ever sign the petition but LeftOfYou has written some outstanding diaries about the targets, GOP members who are retiring or were defeated and won't be back for the next session.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:24:45 AM PST

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      •  Oh, that answers my question above. Thanks. (2+ / 0-)
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        "Let's see what fresh fuckwittery these dolts can contrive to torment themselves with this time." -- Iain Banks, The Hydrogen Sonata

        by Rikon Snow on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:38:18 AM PST

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      •  If she gets Tom Cole she'll only need 19 (2+ / 0-)
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        LSophia, pistolSO

        and if he goes, other safe conservatives will to.

        Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

        by darthstar on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:41:21 AM PST

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      •  And the Republicans don't have to sign the (5+ / 0-)

        petition, they just have to vote.  The minority can use the petition to force a vote.

        Worst thing that happens if she does this is the GOP votes it down, January 1 comes around, and it gets resurrected as part of the Obama Tax Cuts.

        Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

        by darthstar on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:43:12 AM PST

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        •  darthstar - some GOP members have to sign (4+ / 0-)

          because you need 218 signatures to force a vote and the Dems only have 192 House members. While the minority can use a petition to force a vote they must attract some members of the other party to form a majority on that specific issue.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:51:23 AM PST

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        •  218 *signatures* are needed... (0+ / 0-)

          The Discharge Petition needs 218 signatures AND the floor vote that it initiates needs 218 VOTES to pass on its way to the president's desk.  The minority can initiate the petition, but they need about 26 republican signatures to complete its purpose. Those republicans (many still smarting from the elections) have to decide that it's more important to support this bill than to follow their party's leadership, at least on this one action. And here it's imperative that democrats bring forward their most civil and bipartisan manners. In the spirit of the season, we must all be Americans first, and use this opportunity to move beyond partisan politics - if we should be fortunate enough to win the day, any crowing ought to be respectfully measured. Because there is a whole lot of work still to be done before the end of the year...

  •  Ok, this is the second threat. (18+ / 0-)

    Time to start gathering signatures. Anything else reeks of weakness.

    I respect Nancy, but now we need to see some action. Has anything happened since she made her last threat that makes her think Republicans will see reason?

    OFA should e-mail out a list of likely Congressmen and we'll hound them until they either sign or admit to being traitors for Norquist. ("Norquislings?")

    Time to do it.

    •  Not Norquislings. Sub-grovers. (4+ / 0-)
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      Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

      by blue aardvark on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:17:12 AM PST

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    •  Um, She knows what she's doing (11+ / 0-)

      I'm going to have to go with trusting Pelosi to know what she's doing here.  Politics is a complicated game and she's one of the most skilled. You're absolutely wrong that this reeks of weakness, this is a power play on her part and she's trying to fracture the GOP caucus a bit with this move.

      [Terrorists] are a dime a dozen, they are all over the world and for every one we lock up there will be three to take his place. --Digby

      by rabel on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:27:11 AM PST

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      •  rabel - but why "threaten" twice (8+ / 0-)

        as Nike says "Just Do It". At some point threats not followed by action does show weakness. Put the petition on file and have every Dem in the House sign it. Not doing that suggests that she doesn't have 100% support from the Dems.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:38:37 AM PST

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        •  I agree with rabel (4+ / 0-)
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          There could be several reasons why Nancy is still in "threat mode".  Perhaps she wants to increase pressure on wavering GOP House members to jump ship.  Perhaps, as you say, there's a few Dems that aren't totally on board yet, and she wants to give them a little more time.  Perhaps she's playing some sharp 3-D chess, and has something else up her sleeve.

          Based on her track record, I very much trust that she knows what she's doing.

          332 - 206. Not a mandate, my ass.

          by StonyB on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:00:35 AM PST

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        •  Let her play it out (5+ / 0-)
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          Nancy Pelosi is one of the most skilled politicians in the United States, as she has demonstrated repeatedly.  I'm not going to claim to know exactly what she sees happening, but she has a reason for doing what she's doing, and I'm quite confident that it's a reason we're going to wind up being happy about.

          Remember that she never lost a vote as Speaker.

        •  There you go (0+ / 0-)
          she doesn't have 100% support from the Dems.

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          by divineorder on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:03:51 AM PST

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        •  Whipping (1+ / 0-)
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          You have zero proof that she doesn't have 100% support from Dems.  She's the minority leader for crying out loud, one of the job requirements for this position is to know how your caucus is thinking and to know how to keep your caucus in line.  Dems are certainly known to be independent thinkers and keeping the entire caucus together is definitely a challenge but you're just guessing and throwing around unsubstantiated fear mongering with no proof of your claims.

          She's whipping her caucus, she's whipping wavering Republicans and she's playing the game like it's supposed to be played.  Stop with the unnecessary whining and gnashing of teeth when you have nothing to go on.

          [Terrorists] are a dime a dozen, they are all over the world and for every one we lock up there will be three to take his place. --Digby

          by rabel on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:14:32 AM PST

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          •  rabel - who is whining? (1+ / 0-)
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            We are all debating the tactics and strategy of the discharge petition. I have gone on record ten times that I think it's a great tactic, although I don't believe Pelosi can find 20+ GOP votes to bring this to the floor. It would be an amazing accomplishment if she is successful finding the GOP signatures that she needs. Threaten once and then execute. Threaten twice or more without even showing you have your entire caucus on board looks like a false threat. Repeated false threats don't pressure the House GOP leadership.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 10:06:47 AM PST

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        •  She said Tuesday (4+ / 0-)
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          Today is only Monday....

          From her original statement last week:

          Pelosi called on House Republican leadership to bring that legislation to the floor next week and threatened that if they do not schedule a vote on the Senate bill, Democrats will file what's known as a discharge petition on Tuesday to force a vote on the measure in her chamber. If Democrats successfully obtain 218 signatures on the discharge petition, it would automatically force the middle income tax cut bill to the floor for a vote.

        •  So FINE!!! (1+ / 0-)
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          We get to expose the Republicans that are dressed in Democrat suits.  That should get them primaried and replaced with properly dressed representatives.   The only thing that matters in the current House of Representatives is the TRUE majority.  Having a few less Democrats for not sucking up to the Republicans is painless and irrelevant.  

          The Republicans have illustrated the fact that they can control their members and that voting for the person is meaningless.  We must all vote "party" because that is the way the Republicans have made it.  In so doing we must vote for a REAL Democratic party as opposed to a fake one.   The Democratic party cannot afford any Joe the Ho LIEbermans.

          It seems to me that we need our own Norquist.  We need one that makes Democrats sign a pledge to increase the progressive nature of taxation.

      •  I suspect Conserva-Dems. (0+ / 0-)

        There may be some blue-dogs in the Dem caucus of whose votes she's not sure. We need to remember that the fight isn't just "Democrats" vs. "Republicans". It's Progressive vs. Conservative.

        The petition will put pressure on Republicans, and Pelosi wants this. But it may also put pressure on certain Corporate-Bought Democrats...Pelosi may be giving them a pass.

        We need to force Pelosi to begin a petition to make sure that she's not providing cover for any skulking Blue Dogs. In this instance, the interests of Progressives and Nancy Pelosi may diverge. We need to be clear-headed and less hero-worshippy about this.

        Nancy must be made to begin the petition -- it will show us who our enemies are -- on both sides of the aisle.

        We want "more and better Democrats". November is over and we got our "more". Let's spend some time on "better".

        And of course, if we actually have the votes, we win! But let's not be afraid of sunlight!

      •  At minimum, it applies pressure... (0+ / 0-)

        Best case scenario, it works and we see the bill signing ceremony at the White House before Christmas. The whole debt cliff/slope/mirage thingy - the whole dynamic shifts, and we're on to the sequester and unemployment and all the other melodramatic battles that congress seems inclines to. But this one moment might just stand out, and we can all make some difference.
        (and if it does work, Pelosi might have a new hammer in her tool box for those special moments when the furnace needs that one special tap...)

    •  Really. This reeks of kabuki, reminds of 'sternly (1+ / 0-)
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      worded letters' of last term.  Action speaks louder than words......

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      by divineorder on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:03:07 AM PST

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    •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

      Couple reasons, first we have until Jan 1 until anything changes. Even after this date, the Congress can fix this issue.

      Let this stew, let the Repubs coalition fracture further. House Repub leadership is pushing to see this happen by presenting such a hardline positon.

      Also, there is so much to negotiate past the 2% tax cut. The Sequestration makes changes to so many programs and budgets possible. This whole situation opens up the guts of so many programs, i bet the Repubs cant wait to get into the business of butchering their preferred targets. I think some might even see the 2% tax cut as an ideological distraction from these other long sought goals. Defense spending could also be reshuffled, and have spending move from one state or jurisdiction to another.  

      Theres simply no path that gets Boehner the 2% tax cuts, if he wants to take a month to lose that fight, let his lame duck TP congress do it. Better that, than give them the chance to muck about with more substantive issues.

      Prohibition makes crimes out of things that are not crimes - Abraham Lincoln

      by Unseen majority on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 11:20:29 AM PST

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  •  Best to worst Speaker comparisons (10+ / 0-)

    are inevitable after watching Speaker Boehner and Rachel Maddow's "Worst Speaker Ever"series these last couple years.

    That's why the right hates her so, not because she's a liberal but because Speaker Pelosi was the most successful in recent history and Boehner one of if not the worst ever.

    it would be sweet irony indeed if her gambit were to pay off somehow.

    "extravagant advantage for the few, ultimately depresses the many." FDR

    by Jim R on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:11:57 AM PST

  •  Pass this bill (3+ / 0-)
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    and Democrats can achieve near-total victory by doing nothing.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:16:21 AM PST

  •  Time to stop threatening. (7+ / 0-)

    Do it.

    Do it now.

    "I'm not scared of anyone or anything, Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?" Jack Hawksmoor

    by skyounkin on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:18:45 AM PST

  •  Enough. JUST DO IT! (8+ / 0-)

    Look, I know that you think that the Republicans are going to... actually I have no idea what you think they are gonna do?  Actually take you seriously?

    They think you're bluffing, and that the same Democratic Party fractures will occur as last time, letting them get their way.

    In other words, file the petition.  You have tons of people who will willingly pressure their representative if you give us something to push them on.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:18:58 AM PST

    •  Has to have 218 sigs to file (5+ / 0-)
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      and that's not going to happen easily, if at all.
      This is probably kabuki.
      Pelosi knows that getting the sigs she needs is probably impossible. But it is good to put the pressure on and it establishes a basis going into the next session. I believe that's the tactic all across the Democratic team. Take the Cliff "seriously", show the 98% that the Dems are working for them and that the GOP is working against them, when they reconvene with less Republicans, less Blue Dogs and a powerful mandate, the GOP will be gelded.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:40:03 AM PST

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      •  Not getting the sigs... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...shows America who is with the 98% and who is not.

        In effect, the signature is the vote.

        Besides, if Pelosi can't get the sigs, then we lose anyway. Do we expect something to change in the the next week that will soften Republicans up?

  •  Smart tactic although it is probably just a bluff. (0+ / 0-)

    Boehner must be really feeling the heat on all sides right now.

  •  Stop talking and do it, Nancy (6+ / 0-)

    The more pressure on the Rs, the better.  Fracture their caucus for a change.  Plus, I'm sure there is some campaign cash lying around somewhere.  Some specifically targeted TV ads might also do the trick.  People would be shocked, thinking the election was over.

    "Call Representative Hypocrite and tell him to keep your taxes low."

    I'm a mushroom. Kept in the dark and know

    by The Voice from the Cave on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:19:17 AM PST

  •  plan for GOP to cave? (5+ / 0-)
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    Apparently, the "doomsday plan" is to allow the vote on extending the middleclass taxcuts but for most R's to vote "present" out of protest. There would be no grand bargain; all other issues (debt ceiling, more revenue through closing loopholes, entitlement reform, extending unemployment insurance) would be put off until the next hostage crisis (raising the debt ceiling in early 2013). It's unclear what would happen to the scheduled spending cuts (the other part of the fiscal cliff) scheduled to go into effect in January.

    Overall, this would be a win for Obama and a cave for the GOP, even though the GOP would try to spin it as something else. However, they would have a stronger hand going into the next hostage crisis, but Obama would still have leverage (there's no way Dems would agree to a grand bargain involving entitlement reform without addition revenue though closing loopholes) and a win in his pocket.

    •  Let's Keep Our eyes On The Ball. (4+ / 0-)

      This is more of an earned benefits fight, than a tax fight. Once they get past the immediate tax issues, bargaining will begin on what part of the fiscal cliff cuts will remain (SS, Medicaid/Medicare?), and which will be refunded (war machine?).

      Increasing eligibility ages, means testing, benefit cuts, increasing co-pays, pertaining to SS and Medicare/Medicaid, would be major victories for the Rs, even if we won (temporarily?) on taxes.

      "Force is as pitiless to the man who possesses it, or thinks he does, as it is to its victims; the second it crushes, the first it intoxicates.” Simone Weil

      by chuco35 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:30:17 AM PST

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    •  Benny - thanks for the link (0+ / 0-)

      The proposal outlined in the article seems like a likely path for a short term deal.

      Does anyone have a good summary of what is in the Senate bill that was passed extending the middle class tax cuts and is sitting at the Speaker's desk?

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:32:24 AM PST

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    •  One interesting side note on that ABCNews article: (0+ / 0-)

      This particular graph on sequestration:

      Still unclear under this plan is what would happen to the automatic defense cuts — “sequestration” — scheduled to go into effect on January 1 without a deficit deal.  During the campaign, the President promised the cuts would not happen.  As part of the deal to allow the House vote on taxes, those automatic defense cuts could be put off for a year.
      Could the House "Doomsday Scenario" bill contain a trap door delaying the defense cuts scheduled, but allowing the NON-defense cuts to discretionary programs (UI, Social Security, Medicare. Medicaid, and others) to kick in in January as planned?

      If so, then this might not be as good a deal as planned, and it would put the GOTP back in the driver's seat for forcing the issue on serious social spending cuts using the debt ceiling "crisis" and the 2013 appropriation process.

      Personally, I'd prefer either a deal that extends social spending and grants some stimulus, or just let the damn Fiscal Slope take its toll, push the GOTP HARD on middle-class tax cuts, and just mint a couple of $3T platinum coins to cover the debt and provide some fiscal stimulus until 2016, or invoke the 14th Amendment and just let the GOTP rage themselves with impeachment precedings. Like, forcing impeachment worked real well with Bill Clinton, anyway.

    •  Discharge Petition For the Debt Ceiling? (0+ / 0-)

      I'm just sayin'

  •  This is a really bad idea (7+ / 0-)

    because it goes against the Wishes of The American People that Democrats end their partisan partisanship and be willing to compromise with Republicans for the good of The American People, and will only reinforce the view that The American People have of Democrats as being too far left and out of the mainstream of The American People. Enough with the partisan games, Nancy. Compromise!


    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:25:00 AM PST

  •  Keep up the good work pressuring Boehner (0+ / 0-)

    I hope Pelosi does this and that she has 26 Republican signatures to go with it.

    This is a win-win for Democrats - either Republicans go along with the vote, or they block it and get the blame for everyone's taxes going up. Who is driving us off the bluff then, GOP?

    Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

    by bear83 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:26:45 AM PST

  •  It's beginning to look as if the Republicans' (2+ / 0-)
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    holding the gun on the hostages have inadvertantly pointed it at themselves.

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:27:15 AM PST

  •  Good for her. I don't like Pelosi, not even a (1+ / 0-)
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    little bit, but she is absolutely right to punch this down Boehner's gullet.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:28:29 AM PST

  •  I agree with others - just do it (0+ / 0-)

    I respect that Pelosi is giving Boehner a chance to get his shit together, but screw it. He is just spending the time trying to blame his lack of control over the House on President Obama & we can't give these assholes the chance to beat a false drum in the media via Peggy Noonan, George Steph & David Gregory. The next headline I expect to see on Huffpo is "Obama won't invite Boehner to lunch so we are going cliff diving"

    I'm pretty tired of being told what I care about.

    by hulibow on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:29:03 AM PST

  •  So, Democrats have a way to force a vote (3+ / 0-)
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    on bills that have passed the Senate and this is the first time I'm hearing about it?  Why wasn't this procedure dusted off at some point during the last two years?

    OK, let's remove Republican obstructionism in the Senate, pass some simple and clearly written bills on CO2 emissions, contraception, equal pay, mortgage, student loan, and debt relief, and force the votes in the House.  Even if they don't pass, let's get the Republicans out in the open on these issues and start making the argument (which was never made by the President during the campaign) that the country suffers when the Republican party controls the House.

    •  Need 25-30 Republican votes for this to work (8+ / 0-)

      and the GOP has been really good at one thing - rock-solid party discipline. Pelosi has found a crack in that rock on the tax issue and is trying to hammer a wedge into it.

      Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

      by bear83 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:36:22 AM PST

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    •  think blue - as bear notes in his comment (1+ / 0-)
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      this is really hard to do because it requires about 10% of the GOP members to vote against their leadership. In some cases, and the Pelosi petition on tax cuts is one, signing a Dem discharge petition is political suicide. What Pelosi is trying to do, I would imagine, is work on those GOP members of the House who aren't returning to the 113th Congress because they are retiring or were defeated. LeftOfYou has written some excellent diaries on this topic.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:44:00 AM PST

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    •  Let's get this one done and (0+ / 0-)

      and if it's successful, it will alter the entire playing field for the next two years and probably beyond.

      This could be a major turning point for congress - COULD be - and if nothing else, it does apply pressure.

      Three Cheers for Discharge Petitions!!!

  •  I love Nancy Pelosi! (2+ / 0-)
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    She's the one who got Obamacare through, and I bet she'll be able to get this one through.  Hope to see her once again as Speaker of the House in 2014!

    Wish I knew what a typical day in her office is like.  My 18-year-old granddaughter, who is going to be the first woman president of the United States, is fascinated by the workings of government in general and electoral politics in particular. I'd like to write a short story for this future president's birthday,  in which she goes to work as an intern in Pelosi's office.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:33:23 AM PST

  •  If she has the votes, (1+ / 0-)
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    then don't threaten, just do it!

    Severely Socialist

    by ichibon on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:38:35 AM PST

  •  No pressure, Mr. Boehner...but if Pelosi schools (1+ / 0-)
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    you on this, then you can kiss your gavel good-bye.

    Personally, I hope she does it.  There are plenty of Republicans who will vote for the tax extension passed by the Senate, and Boehner knows it.  If he's still waiting for President Obama to flinch, then he's worse at his job than anyone thinks.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:39:51 AM PST

  •  Can we get a list of who to contact? (0+ / 0-)

    Of import?

    Even R congressmen from middle class areas that are turning blue? Or I'd guess someone like Steve Lataurette (sp) who is leaving?

    •  Cleveland Attorney - LeftOfYou has written (2+ / 0-)

      some excellent diaries on this topic with a list of all the GOP House members who are retiring or were defeated. It seems logical that is where Pelosi is currently hunting.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:46:54 AM PST

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      •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

        I have a good idea, I meant for others. I mean for years I don't get how D's did not run on

        We will Raise taxes on richest and lower your taxes.

        It's so easy.

        •  Cleveland Attorney - it's hard to make the math (1+ / 0-)
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          work. The problem with the top 2% is that there are only 2% of them. As we see by the structure of the Bush tax cuts the individual benefit to the top 2% was very significant, but it represents only $80 billion a year. The cuts for everyone else were much more modest on an individual basis but in aggregate total $300 billion a year. We don't have a wealth tax, and it would require a Constitutional Amendment to implement one. There is only so much tax revenue you can raise on taxing the income of the top 2%. When you share those additional tax revenues with the 98%, it doesn't spread very far.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 10:35:51 AM PST

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  •  Watch the Repugs whine about how the minority (3+ / 0-)
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    is bullying the elected majority in the House, just as they--at the very same time--complain about the lack of minority rights in the Senate if filibuster reform goes through.

    The Republicans: Having their cake and eating it too since 1980.

  •  "threatening" - right. Why not just do it? (0+ / 0-)

    Here, in the nutshell, is why the Democratic party is mostly ineffectual.

    Another "threat" to do something that would force the republicans to respond.

    I am really sick of these "threats" and "stern letters" and "urgings".

    Democrats have to TAKE ACTION and fight for what they were elected on.

    They talk the talk, why not walk the walk?

  •  lets stop all the tough talk (0+ / 0-)

    and start sticking up for the voters that reelected you to congress, quit all the talk (aka bs) and start the walk and get down to the peoples business.

  •  Does anyone honestly believe this will pass? (0+ / 0-)

    There is a huge difference between Tom Cole saying that he'd prefer to just extend the Bush tax cuts on the middle class and deal with the rest of it later on one hand, and Tom Cole making his Speaker look weak by screwing him on a procedural vote in order to give the President a win.  That caucus knows that redistricting has made it likely that they'll hold the House for the next few cycles at least, so if they want power, they'd better do what Boehner says.

    The "doomsday scenario" someone outlined above of allowing a vote on extending the middle class tax cuts but for the R's to all vote "present" seems way more likely. And it happens in a way that allows Boehner to say he was respecting the will of the people while still refusing to compromise on his principles.  

    Either way, we win.

    "My philosophy has always been that benefits should percolate up rather than trickle down." - Hubert Horatio Humphrey

    by Wobegon Boy on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:54:59 AM PST

    •  WBoy - you are right (0+ / 0-)

      that no GOP House member who is returning for the 113th Congress is going to sign Pelosi's petition. It would be political suicide. However, there are a surprisingly large number of GOP House members who are retiring or were defeated and I think that's where Pelosi is trying to find her votes. It's a big challenge and I don't think she will succeed, but it's certainly worth a shot. In the past there were Speakers who had bipartisan friendships but that hasn't been the case for a while, making Pelosi's task more difficult.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:02:10 AM PST

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  •  If Nancy Pelosi can actually pull it off (0+ / 0-)

    ..and get the 218 votes..

    Epic win and a thing of beauty. Anything but "spineless."

    The dire straits facing America are not due poor people having too much money

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:00:00 AM PST

  •  Why not 'just do it'? (3+ / 0-)
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    Because in backdoor meetings, over lunch, on the phone she is actually 'doing it', it being getting the signatures.

    I believe she currently has all Democrats signed and a number of Republicans who are greater than zero and less than twenty-five.  By holding the press conference she is putting pressure on the 'I'll think about its', the members in tough districts, the old timers who remember actually governing to put their name on it.  

    Why doesn't she release the names of those already signed on the R side?  Because while she doesn't have 25 she is unlikely to get anymore reps willing to stand up against the party in an unsuccessful bid.  Some might take the backlash if it actually achieves something, but no one is going to be signature 193 and stick out like a sore thumb for a failed petition.  Posting it before it is ready for submission is a good way to get zero Republicans.

    Is this just speculation?  Yes, but it seems right to me, much more so than the idea that she can 'just do it' when she wants to.

  •  Meme: Repubs are against tax cuts for everyone (0+ / 0-)

    Scenario: Confused Repubs call their Congressional Representatives wanting to know why they are against voting to lower everyone's taxes.

    Visualize this: Congressional staffers trying to make the argument that extra tax cuts for the very wealthy are so important that middle and working class hostages had to be taken.

    Eradicate magical thinking

    by Zinman on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:22:01 AM PST

  •  Good (0+ / 0-)

    (R's) take those tired memes and shove 'em, Denise Velez Oliver, 11/7/2012.

    by a2nite on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:49:27 AM PST

  •  I have faith she'll play this right (0+ / 0-)

    Even if she can't get enough Rep. votes, which is extremely unlikely, the petition itself serves almost the same purpose, namely getting people on record.
    Refusing to sign a discharge petition isn't quite the same as voting no on the bill itself, and no doubt there will be many Republican members making that point strenuously, but a lot of the public will see them as effectively the same, especially if the Dems. are out on the talking head circuit pressing the point.
    I doubt it will have a huge impact, but every little bit of pressure she can add is welcome in my book. Lets face it, the 2014 campaign has already started, and our side better be playing to win back the House, or the gridlock will continue.

  •  Enough with the huff and puff and blow the House (0+ / 0-)

    down - just do it and get it done.   Next thing you know, she'll be counting to three.  

    If money is speech, then speech must be money.

    by dkmich on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 12:05:19 PM PST

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