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In the era of debt ceiling standoffs and self-imposed fiscal ultra-chasms, this is how you become a Very Important Person in Republican circles: You demand immediate, painful spending cuts, and then you look positively baffled when someone actually suggests you name what cuts you're actually proposing.
McMORRIS RODGERS: We need to have the spending cuts.

BLITZER: What? Give me an example?

McMORRIS RODGERS: Well, it is, it’s, looking at the spending, looking at entitlement reform, looking at the growth in government. And you know what the President put on the table, the President is moving in the wrong direction. He proposed higher taxes than he ever said during the campaign, more stimulus, more spending, that’s moving us in the wrong direction.

I think you might actually be able to hear the little click that marks the beginning of the pre-recorded talking point.

I hope the press and/or punditry is actually beginning to catch on here. The Republicans aren't going to name spending cuts. They're not going to name the supposed loopholes they want to close, or the supposed deductions they want to take away, or any of the rest of it. Yes, they want to do unspecified things involving Medicare and the like, but they continue to insist that the Democrats be the ones to actually propose screwing with those things, so that the Republicans can run in the next election on how they really didn't want to do that stuff (while simultaneously demanding it be done, because sweet Jesus, our political discourse really is that dumb).

This entire fiscal cliff business could be avoided by simply ignoring the Republicans outright. Pretend they're not there. They're the ones most insistent that the sequester will doom (defense!) things, they're the ones foaming at the mouth about how all these efforts America took at their insistence to cut the stupid debt right now because Austeritah are, as it turns out, going to kill us all in our sleep. But after all that hostage taking and supercommittees and very serious three-page pamphlets with big pictures and zero math and now the fiscal cliiiiiiff, the only solutions they're proposing are (1) to cut taxes on rich people yet-a-freaking-gain, and (2) to pay for that by effing up other people's Medicare. That's a worse plan than doing nothing. It's so stupid and self-serving a plan that Very Important Republicans on the teevee go to great lengths to avoid even having to say it out loud.

So fine, let's have the Senate pass all the necessary bills for maintaining unemployment insurance, the "doc fix," canceling the stupid sequester, extending some, but not all, of the We Love Deficits Forevah Tax Cuts, and then the Republicans can decide which of those things they want to refuse. This is a stupid game, it's been a stupid game since long before the "debt ceiling" fiasco last year, it was a stupid game back when George W. Bush was traveling around the country demanding we shove everyone's Social Security retirement funds into the pre-great-recession stock market because hey, just imagine how rich and well-off you suckers will be if Wall Street is managing all your retirement money for you. No, please. Let's just stop this nonsense.

If Republicans want to be the party of screwing people out of their promised benefits, or of making people work at their damn minimum wage jobs until they're 90 billion years old, or the party of not feeding children, or the party of not giving a damn about anyone who doesn't have at least three homes and 12 cars, let them. But let them own that, and argue for it themselves, and spell out exactly what it is they want in policy and legislation without all this sniffling about how the Democrats need to propose all of that for them. If they want to screw people, they should at least have the ideological courage to say who they want to screw.

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  •  I think you mean to say .... (13+ / 0-)

    balls. That is, they should have the balls to name spending cuts. But they won't. Because they haven't done the math. Or they've done the math -- polling math -- and know that their proposed cuts are deeply unpopular. That's what Romney/Ryan did and that's why they LOST.

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    by LiberalLady on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:21:16 PM PST

    •  The math they've done is election math. The GOP (0+ / 0-)

      ... ain't gonna go first. If they are pressed, it'll be an across-the-board cut - letting the agencies and departments do the triage -  with certain programs and departments off the list (like Homeland Security). If they were smart, they'd make cuts in a few programs the Defense Department doesn't want, and argue their approach is even-handed. Why, many in the MSM might even swallow that.

      Republicans are not unaware. They don't know how to do the next step and avoid pain. (In fact: We don't either!) Haranguing on the evils of the Rising Deficit/Irresponsibly High Debt Load is all they have going for them. As soon as they descend from high principle to specifics, they start losing votes and losing voters. Moreover, the lobbyists - a new Congressman's new best friends - will descend to protect the programs meaningful to their special interests.

      The drive to be reelected is more important than anything else and the house makes it happen (except in truly safe districts) every two years, which means the fundraising starts soon ... and worse, they are balancing on the edge of a cliff of their own making.

      2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

      by TRPChicago on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:49:34 PM PST

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  •  Obama has the right of it (9+ / 0-)

    No new offers until they cave on taxes.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:21:53 PM PST

    •  Actually, that has me worried. (2+ / 0-)
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      semiot, createpeace

      The worst-case scenario has long been that Republicans figure out the optimal timing for taking “yes” for an answer. I think Democrats are signaling far too much willingness to give away the crown jewels in exchange for modestly higher taxes on the rich.

      If the Medicare age goes to 67 but taxes on the rich go back to Clinton levels, that's a bad deal. Period. But I expect that if the GOP ever caves on taxes, it'll be seen as the Biggest Most Magnanimous Sacrifice Ever and Dems will be hard-pressed to keep anything off the table.

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      by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:30:18 PM PST

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      •  Allow me to warm your heart cockles (5+ / 0-)

        Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

        by blue aardvark on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:52:54 PM PST

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        •  Just an example. (1+ / 0-)
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          blue aardvark

          And my worry in particular is that if the GOP does drop its opposition to tax increases, the Dems will be under pressure to start dropping some demands as well. Maybe not this one in particular, but something will have to give.

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          by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:55:02 PM PST

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          •  We've got defense cuts (sequester) (1+ / 0-)
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            Code Monkey

            and the size of the tax hike on the rich.

            And Medicare reforms that hit cheats and what have you.

            Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

            by blue aardvark on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:00:18 PM PST

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            •  I don't think the defense cuts will happen anyway. (1+ / 0-)
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              blue aardvark

              Did Obama propose keeping any of the defense cuts in his initial offer?

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              by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:01:43 PM PST

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              •  I don't believe he did (0+ / 0-)

                But they are scheduled to happen automatically. He doesn't have to propose them. He has proposed NOT making the cuts ... and if the Republicans don't take his proposal, the cuts happen.

                Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

                by blue aardvark on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 06:38:47 AM PST

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          •  Yes, that something will have to give is called... (0+ / 0-)

            ... negotiation.

            As other commenters point out, we do have things to give. And there are new things we want. The President's infrastructure bank, for example, and sufficient Sandy disaster relief to rebuild sensibly, not just band aid a fix and forecast that there'll be a long time before the next storm. So, we need to have the next steps in bargaining in mind.

            RE Medicare, something will have to happen to cope with Medicare costs. Preferably, a batch of things. Is gradually raising the eligibility age the worse thing that could happen? IF it is, what are some items we can live with?

            (I'm not saying we share this with the other side, just that realism requires more to the plan than telling our President to be stubborn.)

            2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

            by TRPChicago on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:56:57 PM PST

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            •  We can let Medicare negotiate drug costs. (2+ / 0-)
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              TRPChicago, Constantly Amazed

              That'd save a crapton of money.

              Right now, what I'm gaming out is the fiscal curb. There's no reason whatsoever to be negotiating for anything before 1/1/13 besides an unemployment extension. (Yes, that's more important than raising taxes.) Maybe in the END we'll have to do something shitty, and yes, raising the Medicare age would be extremely shitty.

              Like I said, what I worry is that the Republicans will give on taxes for the rich (which they'll happily just lower again when they get the chance) and meanwhile goad us into slashing important programs that the Democratic Party has been fighting for for decades.

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              by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 06:33:20 PM PST

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  •  Dear God, I hope the President isn't bluffing (9+ / 0-)

    and is truly willing to step off the fiscal curb. It's just the reasonable thing to do.

    And again, the ONLY irreversible consequence of inaction before Jan. 1 is the expiration of unemployment coverage. It's the ONLY thing that should bring Democrats to the table and even think about horse trading.

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    by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:23:11 PM PST

  •  GOP Could Promote Their Plan to The US Public! (3+ / 0-)
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    If the had one.  They have nothing but the barest, brownest dried up fig leaf to cover their hard on for the richest 1 %.  OK 1 1/2 %.

    They have nothing to offer the US Public for review so they hector Obama about asking the US citizen for support.

    The GOP ran on hatred and disdain.  They got nothing.  I am starting to believe in this country again.

    I'm just here for the Mojo!

    by Gator on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:24:34 PM PST

  •  The Republican "plan" is actually a step backwards (2+ / 0-)
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    Gator, mrsgoo

    because it restores funds to defense that have already been scheduled to be cut.  

    "Speak out, judge fairly, and defend the rights of oppressed and needy people." Proverbs 31:9

    by zdefender on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:24:51 PM PST

  •  They want to have their cake and eat it too (13+ / 0-)

    They know that "spending cuts" sound good to most people, but when you actually talk about cutting specific programs, people are generally opposed. So they want to talk about the need for spending cuts in the abstract without actually paying the political costs of cuts to programs people support.

  •  le sigh. Spokane's so proud of our own Sarah-lite (12+ / 0-)

    That's actually a good bit of depth, coming from her.  Usually she just has a "pro-goodness / anti-badness" agenda.  She's out "working hard for the people of E WA, to "create opportunity" and "preserve freedom" in ambiguous ways.   I clicked through a DK petition link about one of those IP bills, and the canned response was literally like,

    "Intellectual property is an important principle.  Free speech is also an important principle.  We'll work hard to ensure that everyone's needs are met."

    Then I started getting push-surveys:

    "Is the solution to our energy crisis:

    A.)  Republican position
    B.) R position slightly restated
    C.) Hyperbolic exaggeration of Dem position."

    Just.....sigh

    No matter how cynical you become, it's impossible to keep up; no matter how cynical you are, you have no idea...

    by ChristopherMays on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:26:07 PM PST

    •  I was gonna say that text reads like a Palin (2+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark, hoosierspud

      statement, copyrighted and everything.  If Tina Fey delivered it it would be a knee slapper.

      And to thing that the Speaker of the House was from your district back in the 70s.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

      by nailbender on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:50:31 PM PST

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    •  And I have her useless ex-aide Herrera Buetler, (2+ / 0-)
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      Wood Dragon, eleaba

      WA-03 (Sarah-lite-lite?).  She refuses to answer questions, she just spews generic canned platitudes.

      "Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person." David Korten, When Corporations Rule the World

      by Delta Overdue on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:56:59 PM PST

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      •  And keeps her town halls (3+ / 0-)
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        Delta Overdue, eleaba, hoosierspud

        secret from anyone except those who support her.  Her ads were nauseating - "I was born here and I work for you!"

        I kept waiting for the speedy voiced disclaimer at the end.  And I live in Oregon!

      •  Congress gets Heck (1+ / 0-)
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        So glad Jamie the Chamber Horror is no longer my representative.  She was deaf to any communication, and responded months later with canned emails.  With the new WA-10 district we have Denny Heck for rep.  Still sent email to Herrera Buetler to sign the discharge petition, just for drill...

        •  I'm glad you get to ditch useless Jaime, and thank (0+ / 0-)

          you for nudging her.  Now if only our pleas weren't falling on deaf ears...

          (I still have my Denny Heck sign from when he ran in the third two years ago.)

          "Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person." David Korten, When Corporations Rule the World

          by Delta Overdue on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 08:11:50 PM PST

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    •  Spokane! Now that makes sense. I have family (0+ / 0-)

      there......Spokane and SC....go figure.....

    •  Ah yes, my very own representative (0+ / 0-)

      Christopher you have her response down pat.

    •  Pleeeez believe me (2+ / 0-)
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      virginislandsguy, hoosierspud

      many of us long suffering Spokanites are not the least bit proud. Some of us have warned for a long time that everyone would have to suffer through her insufferableness because she is the skirt that represents skirts for repugs. I have knocked on plenty of doors to try to make a change but we are outnumbered.
      My only hope at this point is that the pressure and the spotlight shining on her will make a difference in her staying power. She is the worst of the worst and groomed by Newt and Delay and Pombo and all the rest of the very worst.
      We are more than thankful for Cantwell and Murray!

      ..."For beauty," I replied. "And I for truth,-the two are one; We brethren are"... E. Dickinson

      by peagreen on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 07:02:36 PM PST

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  •  Saw her on MTP. Did not seem bright to me at all. (4+ / 0-)

    I can see how she is simply just an average intelligence pol who relies mostly on talking points, but is not quick on her feet at all. So sad she is in their leadership. It is obvious she won her election against Mr Price just to get a Repbublican woman on their team - no matter her ability.

  •  Thugs are a bunch of cowards, bedwetting cowards (4+ / 0-)

    They run screaming and bawling and complaining that 'you're a meanie' whenever asked for a single one of the 'hard choices' (tm) they say they'll make.  

    And this also explains why they want to wrap themselves in a blanket of constantly growing defense money.  'Home of Brave?'  Puh-lease!  Daddy! Daddy! The bad man looked at me funny!

    But, shush!, don't tell the media!  It might give the Thugs a sad.  Then McLame would only go on 2 Sunday morning proctology* shows.  

    The horror!

    ----------------
    *What else does one call shows with a buncha of arseholes? :)

    •  courage is anathema to their ideology (3+ / 0-)
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      All their sleazy little schemes are cooked up behind closed doors, the shenanigans of ALEC being exhibit A.  

      The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

      by richardak on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:38:48 PM PST

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  •  Style query (0+ / 0-)

    Why put her middle name in the headline?  She is not hyphenating.  Just use her last name, as one would for a man.  The headline turns her into a Yuppie when she clearly is not.  (It was Yuppies in the late 1970's who started the hyphenating trend because they didn't understand how married women had been handling name changes for generations.)

    •  You're sure it's not a double last name? (0+ / 0-)

      Like Sacha Baron Cohen?

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      by Code Monkey on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:32:00 PM PST

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    •  It's not her middle name. It's a hyphenate (2+ / 0-)
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      just without the liter hyphen.  She first ran as Cathy McMorris, then changed it to McMorris Rogers, which is also the last name(s) her kids have....

      No matter how cynical you become, it's impossible to keep up; no matter how cynical you are, you have no idea...

      by ChristopherMays on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:38:35 PM PST

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      •  Is her father in law the old Mayor? nt (0+ / 0-)

        "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

        by nailbender on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:51:46 PM PST

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      •  Liter hyphen? (1+ / 0-)
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        judyms9

        What does that mean?  It's a term with which I am unfamiliar.

        Actually, McMorris is her maiden name, which became her middle name when she married, as middle and upper class women have been doing for ages.  See, for example, Barbara Pierce Bush, Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy, Bess Wallace Truman, Mary Todd Lincoln.

        The first hyphen I saw was in the late 1970's.  The woman explained (In a newspaper article) that she would otherwise lose her maiden name when she married.  This was a young woman who had gone from lower class to middle class through education, but had never bothered to read any books on middle class behavior.  The middle class raises its children to emulate the manners of the upper class.  Thus, we know which fork to use at a fancy dinner party, even if we rarely get a chance to show off the skill.

        The use of the hyphen was instituted (here, as opposed to the UK) by those who don't know any better.  Perhaps they are more to be pitied than censured..

    •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

      Her name is McMorris-Rogers.  That's correct.

    •  She got married after she'd been in office (0+ / 0-)

      Her father-in-law was mayor of Spokane at some point. Took her a while to figure out what name she would use. She's been elected (too) many times with the McMorris name and she would not want to lose name recognition. Especially with some of the geniuses around here. So she can have her married name and her electable name. Perfect!  But we just call her our lil' Cathy.
      Her first child (she's had both since she's been a misrep) has Down's syndrome. She has the perfect bio for the R's.

      ..."For beauty," I replied. "And I for truth,-the two are one; We brethren are"... E. Dickinson

      by peagreen on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 07:17:20 PM PST

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  •  I saw this at work today. (3+ / 0-)

    I listen to the pundits and think, 'Oh, dear gods they're lip-synching!'.  The House majority have nothing. They haven't offered anything at all and they're all lip-synching too. Please, Barack. Don't cave. Seriously.

  •  The Democrat should have just STFUed (3+ / 0-)

    His response should have been:

    Ask her again Wolf. Ask her to name one specific spending cut.

    Full stop.

  •  This is why Mitch McConnell's number one (2+ / 0-)
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    goal was to make President Obama a one-term President.  I'm sure that they know who Obama is.  I have seen clips when Obama took McCain to task in 2009.  They knew what was in store for them if Obama won reelection.  They knew that Obama was holding back pounding them because he had to win and didn't want to alienate voters.  

    Well, that's over now.  They knew what was coming.  Obama KNEW that the GOP would refuse to name any cuts or any loopholes they would close because they basically want to screw their constituents.  If Republicans really knew what the heads of their party had in store for them, they would never vote Republican.  

    That's why the GOP wants to hold on to the debt ceiling.  They figure if they can convince their constituents that Obama wants to give free stuff to his base and increase the deficit doing it, they won't even think about the fact that their Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will be cut or eliminated. President Obama is on to their game, and I don't think they can wiggle out of it this time.

    "If ye were blind, you would be without sin. But you say 'you see'; therefore, your sin remains" Quoted from that despised Socialist Jesus Christ.

    by Carlo408 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:29:11 PM PST

    •  Ah, but u forget Thug benies are NOT government (1+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark

      , as in 'keep your gov. hands off my Medicare', while everyone elses is, bc they're brown... or young... or gay... or women... or not Rea'Murkians(tm)... or something.

      The level of cognitive nonfunction in Thug voters really is that bad.  Reminds me a recent sf story where they discovered how to measure consciousness and found out 1/3 of people weren't.  Sadly, it isn't fiction.

    •  I don't know if they'll ever get it: (0+ / 0-)

      read the comments on sites like WaPo and there are a lot of 'Obammy, Obummer, free phones, wait until it's all gone and you'll wish you had voted for Romney' comments.  It's fun to twit them, but they're pretty scary.

  •  RE: (2+ / 0-)
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    But let them own that, and argue for it themselves, and spell out exactly what it is they want in policy and legislation without all this sniffling about how the Democrats need to propose all of that for them.
    Please tell Claire McCaskill. She went on Morning Joe today and, while being thanked for being on the show, needed to get in one last word to make Joe happy. She quickly assured him that Democrats would work with Republicans to get entitlement "reform" next year (i.e., benefit cuts).

    This woman is going on every television show she can imagine to undermine the excellent strategy described in the blockquote above.

  •  It's his parents fault - (0+ / 0-)

    they gave him only last names.  Otherwise he'd've grown up to be a D and avoided all this unpleasantness.

  •  This is why Rick Perry should run in 2016 (4+ / 0-)

    He could probably name two actual spending cuts.  He'd be like a Republican Texas Einstein.

  •  What is especially awfully bad: (6+ / 0-)

    She got stumped by a hard-hitting softball follow-up lobbed by Wolf Blitzer.

    ad astra per alia porci

    by harrije on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:32:46 PM PST

  •  He could have at least trotted out (0+ / 0-)

    .."Miscellaneous."

    Specifically.

    The dire straits facing America are not due poor people having too much money

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:37:57 PM PST

  •  i know i'm totally pissing up a rope here ... (7+ / 0-)
    more stimulus, more spending, that’s moving us in the wrong direction.
    but, oh, for the love of god, how i would love to see some one in the media with some actual understanding of fiscal policy and / or economics stop one of these clowns cold in their tracks, and say:

    what's the problem with stimulus? stimulus works. ever hear of multiplier value? why are you against spending when each dollar spent generates (fill in the blank, depending on specific activity...) one point five (or two. or three) dollars in economic activity as a result of spending that one dollar?

    "everybody's got something to hide except for me and my monkey." -john lennon

    by homo neurotic on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:38:12 PM PST

  •  this is paul ryan budget redux. (0+ / 0-)

    and the village people will talk about what a great republican intellectual rodgers is. and just how really awful those people are, to be asking for specifics and all. geez, can't we just beat up on the poor and middle-class some more, and be done with it already? they have cocktail parties to attend, shrimp to eat. cokie roberts is just getting soooooooooooo mad!

  •  Maybe I wasn't paying attention... (1+ / 0-)
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    He proposed higher taxes than he ever said during the campaign,
    ...but isn't Obama proposing exactly what he campaigned on?  And why doesn't Blitzer call her out on that?  To be fair to Wolfy, she crammed so much BS into 3 short sentences it would be hard to take on all of it in real time.

    I don't know what's been trickling down, but it hasn't been pleasant---N. Pelosi

    by Russycle on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:41:52 PM PST

  •  As we've been saying... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...As we've been trying to tell the Dems forever, if you don't let them bully you, they just dissolve into ridiculousness.

    They've been mostly listening since 2006, thank God. But it's getting even better now.

    GOP: The Party of Acid rain, Abortion of the American Dream, and Amnesty for Wall Street.

    by Attorney at Arms on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:43:36 PM PST

  •  I despise McMorris Rodgers. (5+ / 0-)

    She and Doc Hastings have been screwing over Eastern Washington for years. They come from a long line of R's on that side of the state, and while we're celebrating Inslee's win, marriage equality, and recreational MJ, Cathy's Mini-me, Jaime Herrera Beutler, held Baird's old seat because her Dem challenger had virtually no funding. He still garnered a respectable share of the vote and we might have been able to retake WA-03 with a bit of help.

    Cathy's gone all in on the Tea Party and has her eye on something bigger, with Mini-me following right behind her. We'll see a lot more of Cathy and her talking (non)points if we don't start paying more attention to Washington beyond Gov races.

    •  Cathy has seen Sarah hit the big time on Fox and (1+ / 0-)
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      knows that if someone like Sarah can grab a brass ring, so can she.  And Virginia Foxx won't be far behind.  As for all the rethugs, who ever wanted to sit next to any of them just to copy off their impromptu quiz papers?

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      by judyms9 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:25:58 PM PST

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      •  Cathy is less talented than Sarah & that's sad. (2+ / 0-)
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        I don't see her accomplishing anything more than her Spokane seat.....

      •  She's suddenly more ambitious (0+ / 0-)

        than I ever thought she was. The attention from RMoney went to her head. She has old line R's like Skeletor behind her, as well. I think she'll push it as far as she can, and I agree that she sees Sarah as a marker. She won't make the same mistakes, however: she can appear somewhat reasonable when she has to. She didn't give specifics because she hasn't permission to, not because she doesn't know them.

    •  Herrera-Beutler is playing it careful right now, (3+ / 0-)
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      and she can get away with it after redistricting.  She dances around the issues, never holds a town hall (just high dollar luncheons and the like), and gets a pass to vote with dems occasionally (only when it does not matter).  So, she flys under the radar for the vast majority of low-information Vancouver, Washington voters, and the local paper is sure never going to take her to task for it.  (Never mind television, Vancouver is in Portland's media market, so they don't spend any energy covering SW Washington politics.)

      "Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person." David Korten, When Corporations Rule the World

      by Delta Overdue on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:37:50 PM PST

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      •  Yep, and she plays the (3+ / 0-)

        "local girl from Prairie HS" to the hilt. I'm from Battle Ground since before the population broke four digits ;-) I thought Haugen could have had a chance, more so than Heck, at least.

        You're right about The Columbian and PDX TV, but they need something to report. Jaime not doing any debates or appearances should have been a story but wasn't, and Haugen did his best to get any attention, without much luck. I hope we can do better next time around.

    •  I might add (1+ / 0-)
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      her former district manager person is Spokane's mayor now. A complete phoney!

      ..."For beauty," I replied. "And I for truth,-the two are one; We brethren are"... E. Dickinson

      by peagreen on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 07:21:11 PM PST

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  •  Going over (heh) the politico-physical clit. (0+ / 1-)
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    Courage is contagious. - Daniel Ellsberg

    by semiot on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:47:23 PM PST

  •  why (3+ / 0-)
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    Why are entitlements --especially social security--not considered contracts?  Americans put money in, and planned for their future, using the numbers promised by their government, yet this promise is less important than a pledge Republicans signed with a non governmental agent.  Isn't a pledge, signed by congress and the president, not sacrosanct?

    Apres Bush, le deluge.

    by melvynny on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:47:39 PM PST

  •  Yep that's the "strategy" (1+ / 0-)
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    Somehow make the Dems specifiy the cuts (and no doubt Blue Dog Rendell and his Fix the Debt group will try), then clobber them as Romney/Ryan did about the $716b "cut" to Medicare. This woman is a shameless enabler - giving Boehner and Cantor female cover, as Kelly Ayotte has been doing for McCain and Graham on Benghazi/Susan Rice. During the "war on women" aspect of the recent campaign, Rodgers wouldn't criticize or comment on such matters as the "mandatory vaginal probe" and "forcible rape" crazes; instead she would click over to the Ann Romney talking points "women don't  care about that stuff! They care about jobs and the deficit!"

  •  Tell that to.... (0+ / 0-)

    Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, and the ever-present Joe Lieberman.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 04:54:13 PM PST

  •  My favorite part of the clip comes at the end (0+ / 0-)

    After hearing [Dem guy I don't know] elucidate the $3T in spending cuts and savings that are already in place without any corresponding revenue increases, McMorris Rogers says it's all "smoke and mirrors".

    So the $716B in Medicare savings were big and scary to seniors during the election...but now they're "smoke"?

    And the $1.2T in sequester cuts will be absolutely the end of the world...except that they're really just "mirrors".

    So when Democrats actually propose and implement savings and cuts, they're horrific, will bring about the end of the world and...don't actually save any money.

    Do I have that about right?

  •  Yeah (1+ / 0-)
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    Let the Republicans show people what they stand for. Make them do it.  Don't do it for them.

    I was glad Obama isn't meeting daily with John Boehner.

    Republicans want to make government small enough to fit in your vagina..

    by ramara on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:13:47 PM PST

  •  So this is the new Conference Chair? (5+ / 0-)

    Yeah, I'm not impressed.

    Clearly, this woman was not elevated because, like Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz or any of the women on the Democratic side, she possesses any great intelligence, capability or leadership skills. She was elevated because Boner desperately needed a woman of some kind in the leadership for cosmetic reasons and she was the only one who could think of who isn't a batshit lunatic.

    But no, it's clear she has no great skill, nor great intelligence and is not there for any real leadership skills. She a prop for the photo ops. She's J.C. Watts in a skirt.

  •  Well, we want to do things... (1+ / 0-)
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    you know...things to Medicare and Medicaid that can never be discussed in public"

    "Does that mean cuts"

    "I never said cuts, you said cuts. We want to do things. Many things. Good things to the entitlement programs -- all of them"".

    " Does that mean Corporate Entitlements"

    "Yes we want to do good things to the entitlements- all entitlements except what we decide aren't entitlements. If for example Social Security was giving us a booming Surplus we could give make it rain  Job Creator rebates, on people earning or unearn(ed)ing above 1 Million dollars a year, and it would no longer be an entitlement that we would have to do  ( starts clicking sliver balls in hands)  things to...Do You understand?"

    Screams are heard in the control room. "Get that crazy fucker away from me... he wants to do things to me".

  •  Republicans are doing this because it has worked (1+ / 0-)
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    Republicans know that their policy preferences are unpopular with the general public, but sometimes they can trick Democrats into enacting them, and getting the blame.

    What they are trying to do here is to get Democrats to own their more toxic policy preferences, as much as possible, and Obama's past habit of pre-compromising, along with the habits of any number of Senate Democrats trying to demonstrate to the Village how open to compromise they are, makes it seem to them that it just might work.

    Democrats should insist that it is now the Republicans' turn to produce a complete proposal.  If they don't like the Senate bill, then they would need to float a complete alternative, with set values for tax rates and concrete proposals about any deductions to be limited or eliminated.

  •  The big, bad republicans are too cowardly to (1+ / 0-)
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    spell out to the American people exactly what they want to do to entitlements.  I say the Democrats should help them out.  Whenever a Democrat goes on one of these shows and are asked about it, they should do what the Republicans do:  Make up stuff.

    For instance, they should suggest that the republican plan is to voucherize Medicare.  Or, suggest that republicans want to change the eligibility age to 72.  Force THEM to rebut it and when they do, they will have to either deny that it is true and/or provide details of what they want to do.  Don't let them get away with this BS!

  •  Smoke & Mirrors (0+ / 0-)

    I saw that segment on CNN yesterday when Wolf Blitzer demanded that the Republican Sychophant to give specific spending cuts.  She was utterly dumbfounded for a moment and you could hear it in her voice as she tried, unsuccessfully, to recover from being caught off guard.  What this reveals is Republicans fail to recognize that Democrats have caught on to their shenanigans of demanding they and the Administration specify entitlement cuts - then use it as campaign fodder to scare elderly white folks into voting for them.  

    I say Democrats should start demanding that Republicans specify which defense cuts they want -in addition to entitlement cuts -   if they're really serious about cutting government spending.  Let's discuss that first and foremost before we start attacking social security and medicare.

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