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I know that many people are angry about Governor Snyder making it clear he wants right to work laws despite the fact he lied and said he didn't.  I understand and I stand with labor, but here's the problem: Michigan is anti-labor.  That's because Michigan is basically a pro-corporate ignorant state.  I don't say this lightly.  I am not a left winger who gloats over the commoners.  I'm sorry, but Proposal 2 was defeated mainly because people are programmed to think "Oh my god they're changing the constitution!" despite the fact that that is their right and they should change it.  Michigan is mainly corporate.  A lot of the people who live in Michigan work for low wages and work in corporate America and do not understand how unions help them at all.  There's a lot of hard right angst and anger towards the rest of the state.

This happened in Wisconsin.  A lot of people care more about the chicken salad special at Kohl's than the strength of the union.  Unions can make themselves irrelevant if they don't show results or at least fight to make sure their public image isn't tarnished.  The "right to work" advertising campaign is underway, and Michigan is "DUH" enough to buy it.  This is the state where local television shows a conservative broadcaster shaming people on television for being lazy on the job.  "Whistleblowers" and the like area mainstay.  People voted for Obama because they hate rich people, and Obama is a center-right politician who appeals to Eisenhower Republicans, but for true leftists Michigan basically has its Black base and that's it.  

Right to work will catch on in this state.  Even if it's up for a vote, it'll lose.  A lot of people don't see themselves connected to a union because they're ignorant and live in an economic ecosystem where they can ignore union benefits or be like typical authoritarians and compartmentalize what happens to them.

This is the state that elected a man whose plan was "No comment."  I'm sorry, but Michigan will fall :/  It's sad.

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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 0-)
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    LordMike

    Romney/Caligula 2012!

    by sujigu on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 07:29:22 PM PST

  •  Michigan is the UAW. EVERYTHING in Michigan (1+ / 0-)
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    LordMike

    revolves around the auto industry.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 07:38:39 PM PST

  •  I'd Bet There are Many Ohio Union Members Who'd (4+ / 0-)

    be willing to help with the pushback. They had a kinda BFD here last year.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 07:42:48 PM PST

  •  That's horrible. (4+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, jakedog42, blueoasis, dickensgirl

    It truly is.

    I just read an article that stated a small majority of Michigan citizens support right to work. Do they honestly not realize what this does?

    When Oklahoma passed right to work, Republicans and big business promised jobs,jobs and jobs. Needless to say, we're still waiting on 'em.

    I will give the Republicans credit for one thing; they are great at making shitty policies look like gold.

    •  Supporting Right to Work is like... (4+ / 0-)

      ...supporting pro-life because the term pro-choice has been demonized (or replaced with the absurd pro-abortion.) It's all about skewing the polls with leading questions.

      If you ask people if abortion should be legal then the majority will say yes.

      If you ask people if unions should continue to exist as they do now then the majority will say yes.

      A short ad campaign of the "right to work for less" type could easily sway the electorate.

    •  That article quoted a GOP pollster... (3+ / 0-)
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      chancew, stevenaxelrod, happy camper

      ...one of the shitty pollsters that predicted a Romney win in Michigan.  EPIC-MRA, which is also a right wing pollster, showed the opposite--majority opposed.  These numbers can and will shift.

      I don't know what will happen in the future... these numbers are flexible, but I'd guess at the moment that the majority are opposed, if for no other reason than the process used.

      But, I can't tell you what will happen in the future... hopefully something good.

      GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

      by LordMike on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 08:57:00 PM PST

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    •  I think they like the way it sounds. (2+ / 0-)
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      blueoasis, judyms9

      Who could be against the right to work? It sounds good. Sure, it's strips workers of power, but it sounds good.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 09:47:35 PM PST

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  •  We'll see. nt (2+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, tommymet

    The 'shift' is hitting the fan.

    by sydneyluv on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 07:49:44 PM PST

  •  What doesn't help (1+ / 0-)
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    is that the people I know who are part of the UAW (work on the assembly line) feel this sentiment:

    the union keeps selling us out (the UAW president specifically said: we will NOT fight for anything we gave up during restructuring)
    the union is only interested in expanding their membership instead of fighting for our wages, benefits and work safety.

    this is uaw local 602. there have been many times the local voted down a contract because they felt they were getting shafted and then int'l allows GM to handily impose some new "rules." it is not a coincidence.

    Mr. Gazer's boss is a freaking pencil pusher who times people when they go to the bathroom and even escorts them to the bathroom. She also tried getting him in trouble for stopping the line because he had to pee and there are no spare hands to take over his job for 5 minutes.

    I'm not against unions but the UAW does not have a unified priority at this time... and that is going to work against them.

    Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

    by Future Gazer on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 07:50:14 PM PST

    •  They will feel a helluva of lot worse when there (1+ / 0-)
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      LordMike

      is NO union. I see that 602 is in Lansing. Are you guys not under the 2011 agreement? IIRC they sign contracts every 4 years. So I am a bit confused about "many times" the local has voted down a contract.

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 09:21:59 PM PST

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      •  well (0+ / 0-)

        They vote on things like
        Striking (but their striking ability now is severely hampered due to restructuring agreement)
        Local contract
        Int'l contract

        For the int'l contract the yae/nae's go by how many locals vote for it vs how many locals vote it down. The Int'l contract passed because people just need the work.

        For local contract, they vote down a contract and negotiations continue... then the union leaders and GM agree on a new one and then union puts it to another vote. If they like what they see, they vote for it otherwise they vote it down. They've voted down 2 or 3 contracts because they simply didn't give back enough of what they gave up.

        2011 is the int'l contract. I think earlier this year they were voting for local contract.

        Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

        by Future Gazer on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 10:04:03 PM PST

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      •  that's perhaps too extreme (0+ / 0-)

        The union will certainly be weakened if many members stop paying dues. That's not tantamount to having no union.

  •  As long as Snyder is in with control of the (2+ / 0-)
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    legislature, this will continue to happen. Remember, MI is the state where all the residents of whole towns have been stripped of any right to local governance because of state emergency declarations which come from the state capital. Any state which can do that plainly does not care a twiddle about any of its actual residents.

  •  I'm betting and hoping you are wrong (2+ / 0-)
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    The Obama victory was a victory for labor, who made person-to-person contacts with retired union members.

    The reason this is happening in the lame duck is that despite millions in Koch money, progress was made in the state legislature as well. (In very red northern Michigan, the Koch guy only won by a couple hundred votes. McDowell was just a bit too nice.)

    And you have to realize that the MAJORITY of Michigan folks are either in a union or have a union member in the immediate family.

    This sort of apathy is why Snyder wasn't recalled two years ago--that and a totally worthless leadership in the Michigan Democratic party.

  •  Context is important (1+ / 0-)
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    judyms9

    There were a number of proposals on Michigan's ballot written to change the state constitution.  Some of them really didn't belong in the constitution, and it was easy to paint with a broad brush.

    The reason for constitutional amendments for what should be acts of legislature is -- if something is passed by voter referendum that does NOT change the state constitution, then the legislature screws it up.  Recent examples are the medical marijuana initiative, or the attempt to do another EM law with only slight variations after the current EM law was voted down.  Michigan has had a Republican state Senate for decades, and that will likely be true for another decade due to the gerrymander.  But that's a complicated train of thought to a typical voter.  

    •  the typical voter just thought (0+ / 0-)

      OMG they change constitution Change constitution = BAD

      Romney/Caligula 2012!

      by sujigu on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 04:20:20 AM PST

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    •  The sacred and apparently immutable state (1+ / 0-)
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      dickensgirl

      constitution...GOP legislators currently point to it as spelling out collective bargaining rights for police and firefighters which is why they are exempt from the Right to Work legislation here.  Huh?  Why is it not good for all workers?  It's the divide and conquer scheme by the Kochs and DeVoses who need the police and firefighters to "manage" the rest of us.  
      If Michiganders realized that their pensions just got taxed in order to pay the $1,000,000 bill to implement Right to Work through the Dept. of Licensing and Regulation (Huh?), they might reconsider what the term Right means in this context.

      To use the rightwing's terms, Michigan has been a "maker" state that has paid in more than we get in a federal return on our dollar so that the "taker" Right to Work states can continue their low-wage economies.  Ultimately this dwindled tax base will undermine the federal government's ability to function, which is the true goal of the Birchers here.

      Building a better America with activism, cooperation, ingenuity and snacks.

      by judyms9 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 at 05:35:08 AM PST

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