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We are all heartsick about the murder of all the young, young children yesterday and those who were taking care of them.  What can we finally DO to stop this increasing carnage?  YES.  We need to finally DO SOMETHING.  Yes.  A national conversation is desperately needed.  But I ask you, CAN a public discussion take place while there are groups out there determined to scream over our voices and continue to perpetrate their lies?

NO public discussion on guns and violence and appropriate control CAN take place until the NRA IS DISARMED of their stranglehold on media and legislators.  NONE.


The NRA is holding us all Hostage to their absolutist view of guns for everyone; the bigger the better.  The NRA is a tool of the Rovian/Chenian/Norquist style of politics that basically employs the principles of The Shock Doctrine of creating more and more fear to enable the power grabbers to get elected to continue their plutocratic plunder of our democracy.  Fear is an essential tactic in order to herd the masses into voting for the plutocrats.

We have seen in the past election how the Republicans used this tool to try to win; invoking fear in their base with screeds against homosexuals, women, people of color, Muslims, President Obama, unions, the 47% etc., etc.  However the most pernicious of these campaigns of fear has been the 2nd Amendment/gun control issue.

Hysterically encouraging people to arm themselves against 'the gubbamint' and 'Obama' who is going to put them in detention camps and take away the guns has been a master ploy in keeping the base frightened enough to be controlled.  And as a result contributing to public disorder with the crimes that have increased since the gun ownership 'right' has spread like a libertarian wildfire from state to Alec controlled state.  

The NRA, the plutocrat's lobbying and media group, has a stranglehold on this country.  It has used the 2nd Amendment to justify basically an almost unregulated possession of all types of guns and made sales of all types of guns very available and easy, regardless of the risk to citizens.  Just listen to their media campaign as they employ 'doublespeak' to try to make ownership of even semi automatic weapons as benign as a smartphone.  Want one for Xmas?

One of the main ways that the NRA has done this is to tightly OWN the legislators.  Democrats as well as Republicans.  State and Federal level.

We must confront this issue.  I heard so many people yesterday say, 'call your senator, congressperson, etc..'  I see the petition to Obama on this site today.  Its not that I don't think that these are good things to do, because most assuredly we must have a sane, reasonable and balanced conversation about guns in this country.

But this discussion is FUTILE UNTIL WE DISARM THE STRANGLEHOLD THE NRA HAS ON LEGISLATORS.  Period.  Full Stop.  Done.  No one is going to listen to reason while they feel the GUN of the NRA at their heads.  Period.  Full Stop.  Done.

It is a little like trying to have a sane discussion with Republicans about Tax increases for the rich, while Grover Norquist is reminding them of their pledge, with threats of being primaried or worse.  No can do.

I am convinced that the most productive thing we citizen activists can do with our rage and frustration and helplessness after Newtown, Ct is to seriously form a group to DISARM THE NRA.  Take away its control on this country.  

How?  Well I suggest that we follow the example of our great activist who has just passed on, Richard Myers (RIP.)  What a wonderful example in persistent, patient activism.  In my mind his passing has become linked with this issue.  It would be a great honor to his memory and his tireless work to continue not only his issue, but to apply his example to a concerted effort to DISARM THE NRA.  Show the beseiged legislators that we will have their back while the NRA trains their sites on them.  Show President Obama that he has a LOUD populace that won't just slip back into their daily lives after this tragedy.  FREE OUR LEGISLATORS.

You can think of it as OCCUPY the NRA.  How can we concretely do this?  I leave the logistics to those who are far more knowledgeable than I am in the mechanics of activism.  Organize marches with the banner "DISARM THE NRA"?  Protest in front of their offices?  Find out the extent to which our legislators are receiving contributions from the NRA?  Push back on their advertising with some of our own?  Challenge their absolute statements such as "guns don't kill people, people do," with words that show that idiocy?  Run a media campaign against them?  Investigate them and all their connections to find out who is funding them and who they fund?

I am sure that there are many on this site with much better ideas than I have.

Of one thing I am certain, this national conversation CANNOT take place until we have DISARMED THE NRA and its absolutist influence.  We need to be free from their control to have a balanced conversation and make decisions that are the best for this country.

For the children's sake, let us get off our asses and remove the stranglehold that the NRA HAS ON ALL OF US!


Originally posted to SeaTurtle on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:35 AM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA.


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  •  Tip Jar (16+ / 0-)

    It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

    by SeaTurtle on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:35:32 AM PST

  •  $1 Billion (5+ / 0-)
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    SeaTurtle, vcmvo2, suesue, USHomeopath, lcrp

    That's how much WE raised for this President last election cycle at an average of $58/donation.

    Is it worth it to us to raise another $1 Billion to put the NRA out of business and every legislator who take money from them out of office?

    •  Absolutely! We need some leaders (2+ / 0-)
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      vcmvo2, suesue

      to organize this.

      I would follow and contribute, that is for sure.

      It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

      by SeaTurtle on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:56:20 AM PST

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  •  This goal can be accomplished (6+ / 0-)

    but public perception has to be changed. For example, driving under the influence of alcohol was once socially accepted, but following the efforts of groups like Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, the idea of drinking and driving is now totally unacceptable.  
    Unfortunately, a line has been drawn in the sand concerning gun ownership, thanks to the NRA. You have to totally against ownership or completely for unfettered, unregulated ownership.  This is crap.
    I have a gun in my home and believe I should have the right to do so. However, I do not believe I have the right to carry that gun wherever I please. In addition, I don't believe I have the right to own high powered, automatic weapons of mass destruction.
    IMHO, I believe the NRA is an industry backed and funded organization with blood on their hands. As a gun owner, they do not speak for me and must be eliminated.
    Sorry for the rant.

    •  They don't speak for their membership, either (4+ / 0-)

      Only life members can vote in the NRA. The membership is fine with sensible gun regulation, at least in polls. The problem has been that NRA leadership has been able to lie to the members to turn them out as single-issue voters to the polls with mindless regularity, to target and defeat any politician in all but the Bluest districts with the temerity to speak the truth.

      Except, of course, when it was St. Ronnie who was shot at, when the Brady Bill went through.

      But no more. All of the NRA-backed candidates in this last election lost, except for some safe incumbents such as Orrin Hatch. Like Grover Norquist, the NRA is in the state of the proverbial dinosaur that is too stupid to know that it is dead, and should fall down now.

      As with LGBT rights, where we are past the tipping point and can see a string of victories stretching far into the future; as with pot, where we are nearing the tipping point; as with the wackiest Warriors on Women going down to ignominious defeat even in fairly Red states (Arkansas and Indiana) so with guns, the public is with us, and the NRA is on the wrong side of history. As with these other issues, while it is necessary for us to do our part, much of the heavy lifting will be done for us by the increasingly wacko Faithful Remnant among our opponents getting louder and more vicious the closer they get to terminal irrelevancy.

      This is a John Kerry moment. Ask the NRA this: What should we say to the family of the last victim of your insanity?

      America—We built that!

      by Mokurai on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 09:43:06 AM PST

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  •  It should have never taken 21 kids being killed (1+ / 0-)
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    to start a long-overdue effort to cut the NRA down to size.

    Those 21 being Trayvon Martin and those 20 kids in Newtown.

    Romney-Ryan: America's Rollback Team

    by Christian Dem in NC on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 08:50:50 AM PST

  •  NRA exists on existing 2nd amendment (0+ / 0-)

    The power of the NRA exists on the existing  2nd amendment and the Suprement Court decisions related. Similarly the NRA influences high federal and state politicians.  See my diary on "Repeal the 2nd..." The NRA under the proposal would have to fight every local political government and this could not realistically be done! The NRA would just wither away

  •  Need to form a counter-NRA group... (2+ / 0-)
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    There is nothing that can be done to limit NRA influence legislatively or by boycotts - but if a counter group was formed that raised tens of millions to take on the gun lobby - to give politicians an option to not be in their pocket out of fear of fully backed primary or GE challenge - that's what needs to be done.  

    Money needs to be raised to form a PAC that can back  candidates ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE that support further reasonable gun control.  Any candidate who receives NRA money should have their opponent receive a match amount from this new anti-NRA group unless said candidate is a declared NRA supporter (NRA always backs the incumbent if they have a 100% NRA rating no matter the party).    

    They have the billionaires, We have the Big Dog!

    by Jacoby Jonze on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 09:00:39 AM PST

  •  I've seen a state NRA lobbyist in action (4+ / 0-)

    With a mix of envy and fear. Envy because I was lobbying for a do-good non-profit that would have killed to have a fraction of the NRA's resources at their disposal. Fear because the man was so cold and mercenary in wielding threats, exactly as you'd cast an NRA lobbyist in a movie (think Willem Defoe in Platoon). He had an intensity about him that let you know it was personal and that he meant business.

    When a key vote was coming up on one of his bills he would methodically work the local watering hole where legislators hung out and remind anyone who was even thinking of wavering that he was recruiting a primary candidate as they were speaking and that they could expect to wake up the next morning with billboards on every street corner and radio and TV ads on every station about how they voted to take grandma's gun away. Oh, and the money stream would come to an instant halt.

    That said, I did see one of his bills lose by a small margin after opponents gained the support of the police union, backed by strong grassroots opposition to the bill from all corners of the state. So the NRA can be stopped. But it's far from easy and will take a highly mobilized grassroots movement to get there.

    •  thanks for this personal account (1+ / 0-)
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      of the stranglehold the NRA has held on our country.

      So the NRA can be stopped. But it's far from easy and will take a highly mobilized grassroots movement to get there.
      We MUST form that higly mobilized grassroots movement.  NOW.

      It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

      by SeaTurtle on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:59:32 AM PST

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    •  You make a good point (2+ / 0-)
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      about police organizations potentially being allies in this fight. Also doctors, I heard once there was a major medical association opposed to gun violence and calling for change (haven't googled that yet). Teachers' unions of course. Religious groups. There may be something like 'Moms against Gun Violence' soon, if not already. Beware the moms...

      I love it that Obama's channeling Harry Truman: "I don't give 'em hell; I just tell the truth and they think it's hell!"

      by sillia on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:32:14 AM PST

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  •  A good place to start would be revoking the (4+ / 0-)
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    SeaTurtle, sillia, Tchrldy, Debby

    tax-exempt status of the NRA Foundation.

    If anyone truly believes that any wing of the NRA refrains from overtly political agitprop, I have several bridges to offer you cheap.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:44:30 AM PST

  •  I'm tired and sad and need (1+ / 0-)
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    to go to bed now, but I spent the last couple hours doing a simple and immediate thing:   Going to websites like CNN and MSNBC and helping out those taking a stand against guns in the online comments.  It is nasty out there and a great place to fight the people who set the stage for this atrocities.  People are banding together.

  •  Couldn't agree with you more (0+ / 0-)

    I have so many ideas about how to do this - can you contact me?  I'd love to discuss them with you and see if we could move this idea forward.  I'm new to participating on this site but have been signing Daily Kos email actions for a long time. Please get in touch.

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