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The Table at the bottom of this article shows the US mass murders for the last two years which took the lives of 93 people and injured another 123.

There are three important points that can be gleaned from the table.  First, probably none would have passed a Canadian background check or been able to pass the gun safety course.  Even if the killers had obtained guns it wouldn't have been the assault rifles that are very difficult to obtain under Canadian law.  In addition, Canada has a 26 day waiting period.  Some mass murders only obtained their guns within days of their murders.

Second, contrary to the mainstream media, most mass murders are reported delusional before their attacks and many had prior diagnoses of paranoid schizophrenia.  

Third, some mass murderers would have received inpatient treatment for their schizophrenia prior to their shooting in Canada or other public health system countries.   Furthermore, in this country the mentally ill are frequently denied medical care because they were thrown out of school, lost a job or went bankrupt, and because President Reagan destroyed the national health care inpatient system for the mentally ill in this country.  A system that was strengthened under Jimmy Carter.  Even those who asked for treatment  were not hospitalized as they would have been in other countries.  Reagan's policies forced many mentally ill patients out on to the street where they couldn't function.  Therefore, many ended up in prisons.

Gun related homicides in Canada are about 1/6 as common as they are in the U.S.

UPDATE:  Under Canadian law the mother would not have been able to purchase any of the guns used in the CT shootings.  It's still unclear whether she did or not.  A court ordered her to take parenting classes when she divorced her husband several years ago.

Also the mother has been described as believing the world was going to end and a survivalist who was overprotective.  Her mother was described by neighbors as a paranoid "prepper" which means she was preparing for the breakdown of organized society and that's why she had stockpiled the assault weapons.  She also insisted on never leaving Adam alone and that no one come inside her house.  Neighbors said boy was prone to serious temper tantrums at age 10.  His older brother hadn't seen Adam in 2 years. There are continued reports that he has Autism but there are no reports that he received medical treatment or an official diagnosis.  He was home schooled in his last few years of high school.  

One commentor argued that the family new of the mental health issues and addressed them but so far there is no evidence of that and more evidence of a paranoid and isolated existence.

Although most mass murders have paranoid schizophrenia, a smaller group can be classified domestic terrorists.   Given mother's extremist views, that's another possibility.  An example of this sort of person would be Luke Woodham who also was mentally retarded but came under the influence of cultists or Jeffrey James Weise who was suicidal and had Nazi sympathies.   However, Kip Kinkel was also initially viewed this way but it was later determined that he had paranoid schizophrenia as well.

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  •  The mother (6+ / 0-)

    would have had no problem passing the Canadian background check or the gun safety course.

    The family was very wealthy, and had ample access to healthcare and mental health professionals. They knew this young man had issues and had addressed them.

    •  If nothing else (1+ / 0-)
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      Guns should always be locked up.  Perhaps Connecticut has a law requiring this. If so, I'm not sure how much enforcement or awareness goes into it.  Make it a priority.

    •  perhaps the school system was doing its job (4+ / 0-)
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      identifying his disorder - and perhaps the mother did NOT want her son in
      Spec. Educ. classes, since she took him out of the public school system and home schooled him for awhile - until he went to a Catholic school for middle school.

      The aunt of Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza said the shooter's mother pulled him out of Newtown's public school system because she was unhappy with the school district's plans for her son........ that Nancy had once been a classroom aide at the Sandy Hook school.
      http://abcnews.go.com/...

      "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

      by MartyM on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:42:08 AM PST

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    •  The exception does not disprove the wider fact (0+ / 0-)

      the notion that a solution that does effectively end all gun deaths should be rejected does not add up. And the opposite solution of more guns, more easily obtained more lethal guns will not reduce gun deaths overall... what will reduce the statistic overall... not eliminate them... is something closer to the Canadian system... which would work even better if there were not guns leaking over the border from the USA.

      And after many years perhaps moving up to an Australian or UK formula will be possible and gun deaths will continue to fall.

      But as stated in other comments... universal access to medical treatment and mental health care plus an end to the disastrous and ineffective War on Drugs policies would have a huge impact on crime and the number of untreated disturbed people. Add to that economic policies that reduce income inequality and increase jobs and even more reasons people resort to guns would lessen by orders of magnitude.

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 06:10:13 AM PST

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    •  Yes, in a nutshell, that why (0+ / 0-)

      "gun control" is futile.

      Rather, the whole freakin' gun culture has to change.

    •  If assault rifles, automatic weapons, & large (0+ / 0-)

      clips were banned, he could not have killed nearly so many.  In fact, if  he had not thought he'd be able to role-play Rambo, maybe he would never have conceived his plan at all.  You can never stop this stuff entirely, but you can reduce the body count drastically.

    •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

      We know nothing about his mother or ability to pass a Canadian gun safety course.  She would not have been able to purchase any of the assault guns used in the murders in Canada.

      In Canada, they have a better mental health system that may have addressed this person's issues much differently.  Prior to Reagan, he would have been eligible for institutional care and would be part of a national mental health system that was destroyed by Reagan.  Still exists in Canada.

      We don't know what care the man received.  It could be his mother took him out of all care.  The article doesn't say one way or the other.

      Obviously, his mental health issues were not addressed which is a common theme in these cases (see table in above article).

      Claims that these psychological issues didn't influence these murders is common among the pro-gun media but they are factually deficient claims.  All but 2 of 15 mass murders had documented history of delusions before committing  murders.    

      I'll bet the "personality disorder" being described by the press was paranoid schizophrenia which actually isn't a personality disorder.  

       

  •  I think these kinds of killings (3+ / 0-)
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    raise a lot of issues beyond the availability of guns.  

    Guns are a big part of the problem, but not the only one.  Other countries with strict gun control, and known for being relatively violence-free in terms of street crime, have also had these crimes.

    I think this is a problem beyond the problem of street crime, and the issues you raise--mental health as well as gun control--should all be addressed, particularly the real difficulty of having someone hospitalized for mental health treatment.

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