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Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:16 AM PST
Someone please tell me again why Bushmaster 223's are on the streets in America?
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by joelgp on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:16:04 AM PST
by mzjones on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:18:03 AM PST
Face it, Earl, you need a those 48" waistband trousers.
There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby
by bernardpliers on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:23:23 AM PST
[ Parent ]
Now stop the gun grabbing bullshit.
Think, I dunno, rational.
"So what if a guy threw a shoe at me!"
by FoodChillinMFr on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:32:57 AM PST
So, you support having these weapons in private use everywhere in this country?
you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
by Dem Beans on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:34:37 AM PST
by FoodChillinMFr on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:37:28 AM PST
them be sold willy-nilly? That's the answer?
Btw, I think the term 'gun grabbing' should he HR'able. It's a wingnut term that's always being targeted against Democrats and really doesn't belong here.
by Dem Beans on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:40:44 AM PST
by Anak on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:47:56 AM PST
That he's a 'gun-grabber', or he's 'gonna grab my guns.' Also used against their favorite object of hatred, Dianne Feinstein. Or any Democrat.
by Dem Beans on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:51:02 AM PST
Best over reaction of the day award goes to...
by FoodChillinMFr on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:52:58 AM PST
Throwing around conservative talking points - like 'gun grabber' isn't acceptable according to the site guidelines.
The exceptions are for conservative talking points or debunked or false information; this isn't a site for conservatives, they have entire swaths of the internet in which they can regale each other with their reality-impaired fantasies.
by Dem Beans on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:04:02 PM PST
"I am a responsible gun owner!" (I'm sure Nancy Lanza uttered that phrase a few times...)
"If you outlaw guns then only criminals will have guns!" (and that would make law enforcement easy...)
"If you ban assualt weapons, then they will come after my hunting rifle next!"
"Got a gun, in fact I got two. But that's OK man, 'cos I love God!" (props to Pearl Jam for that one...)
How many dead bodies are worth someones percieved right to own a weapon like that?
by tampaedski on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:32:06 AM PST
by Claudius Bombarnac on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:33:05 AM PST
the inalienable ones. The rest of the constitution can be, and often has been, amended.
by Wee Mama on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:40:15 PM PST
the right to bear arms is 'inalienable'. There is no 'right' at all to bear arms in Canada.
To buy any gun in Canada you need to get a PAL (Possession and Acquisition License).
The majority of the weapons being used in the American school massacres are restricted or prohibited in Canada.
The Bushmaster is prohibited in Canada.
by Claudius Bombarnac on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 03:37:17 PM PST
aware of what is in the Declaration of Independence, the Preamble to the Constitution, the Constitution itself or the Amendments. I am surprised by how many aren't aware that the constitution can be changed.
by Wee Mama on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 04:18:28 PM PST
Because they make the goober in the video feel powerful. And that apparently trumps the right of the rest of us to not be slaughtered by one of these hideous weapons.
by Dem Beans on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:33:30 AM PST
like a chick in a miniskirt and heels.
by beltane on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:46:00 AM PST
by Dem Beans on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:52:16 AM PST
That video say's they are way too close to automatic, whether they technically are or not.
The Gov of Conn has said they are and that the mfg's get around the law by classifying them as something they aren't...............
by scrambler on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:35:01 AM PST
I thought "semi-automatic" meant you had to pull the trigger once per shot. You mean to tell me that trigger is so (pardon the expression) hair-trigger that those shooters can pull it that fast? Jeebus cripes...
It's not a "fiscal cliff," it's a Fiscal Bluff--so why don't we call them on it?
by Uncle Cosmo on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 04:48:06 PM PST
People exist who will buy these types of guns and therefore the weapon's sellers have been able to keep the market open by buying politicians. Clearly, such guns have limited use for almost anything, being too small to hunt big game like deer or elk and too small to hunt critters and varmints. Historically, the weapons used for deer, elk, caribou and such were in the 6.5mm (.255 cal) to 8mm (.314 cal) range. Americans happened to use 0.30 cal because that's what chambered the Springfield rifle the American army selected at the turn of the last century as its principal firearm. Varmint hunters usually chose rim-fire .22 cal weapons, which fired a much lighter bullet at slower velocities. Some people just need to feel that they could go toe-to-toe with Rambo and a seller exists to satisfy that need. We might as well argue that we ought to also just stop the war on drugs or any vice because in a free booter society only the existence of a market should determine if it's to be allowed.
"Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE
by PrahaPartizan on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:35:20 AM PST
there wasn't much of a market for them until Congress started trying to ban them.
It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?
by happymisanthropy on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:04:12 PM PST
Congress hasn't tried to ban them for at least a decade. How come the market then still exists. No, the market always existed for them. It's just gotten worse because the pant-wetters have become excited.
by PrahaPartizan on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:36:51 PM PST
An M-16 is the militarized version of the .223
You may have to watch the way the "hulls" are "shucked" to appreciate the rapidity of the fire
by entlord on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:39:34 AM PST
As a child my father would come home for lunch, at times, and most of the time for dinner. He was a cop. He had a pistol and he carefully placed it out of reach. Carefully.
Being about four years old I was envious and wanted a gun of my own. I was presented with a war souvenir from Germany. An antique cap and ball dragoon pistol. I have many child hood pictures of my cousins an I playing with 'my pistol' and I still have it, although I gave it to my son years ago. He has it now.
I now have many historic firearms, most I have never fired. I am fascinated with the design and function changes over the decades. Every five years or so I dig them out and oil them.
This includes machine guns. For the most part they are too expensive to shoot.
Usually, I use them for lectures at museums or veterans groups. They have value but little use.
I am bored with gun shows now. They offer little but the AR15 knockoff semi-automatic assault rifles. Not historic and certainly not very interesting.
I also agree that too many people have firearms who do not need to have them. Too many mentally ill people are obtaining them.
If you really want to be frightened, go to a gun show on Sunday afternoon. The ATF agents are watching football at home and the thugs are there with their girlfriend of the moment buying weapons in her name.
by dabtl on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:50:17 AM PST
Barrett 0.50 caliber sniper rifles in private hands in this country. Bullet-proof limos mean nothing to these beasts. A bullet fired from a Barrett can pass right through the average house and then some.
We just have to get the magazine capacities down on weapons like this, lengthen the waiting period, reduce the number of guns that can be legally owned - 47 is about 45 too many - require an applicant for purchase to be endorsed by 2 other people with no criminal record, and make owners of guns legally liable for what gets done with their guns (if they aren't already).
For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus
by Anne Elk on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:51:13 AM PST
A woman was hit in the leg with a .50 round at the local race track about five or six years ago.
A Sheriff's deputy called me and asked about where the bullet might have come from.
I am not an expert but I have fired many guns, automatic weapons included, and artillery pieces. So, his question was not a surprise to me.
A .50 bullet may travel many miles. I shoot them only on military ranges or locations with at least three miles of open land without homes or such in front of the bullets. In other words, west Texas.
I offered up a question to the deputy. Was she alive? A .50 round is handy for sniping as a hit anywhere will either kill or hopelessly maim the target, if it is within range. He said it was a flesh wound in the thigh. I told him the shooter must have been more than five miles away and the .50 round had spent most of its energy.
Two days later a shooter called the Sheriff's office to report he had been about four miles away shooting into a berm on a pond. The round probably had penetrated the berm and continued till it went through the roof of the trailer and hit the woman in the leg. She was lucky it had spent its energy.
There is no known civilian use for a Barrett .50.
by dabtl on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:13:50 PM PST
I had never seen the detail presented in this Wiki, but had read of the incident in a couple of serious histories of Pearl Harbor.
Edwin T. Layton related that during the attack "Kimmel stood by the window of his office at the submarine base, his jaw set in stony anguish. As he watched the disaster across the harbor unfold with terrible fury, a spent .50 caliber machine gun bullet crashed through the glass. It brushed the admiral before it clanged to the floor. It cut his white jacket and raised a welt on his chest. "It would have been merciful had it killed me," Kimmel murmured to his communications officer
Moderation in most things.
by billmosby on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:23:01 PM PST
The Japanese did not have .50 guns.
by dabtl on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:27:07 PM PST
12.7mm Type 1 Machine Gun
Used a 12.7 mm (= .50 cal) bullet, but somewhat shorter case at 81 mm vs the Browning 99 mm. Somewhat less powerful than the Browning.
I was never clear on whether the .50 that hit Kimmel was from a Japanese plane or a U.S. antiaircraft .50 cal. There were a lot of different weapons used in AA mode, including .50 cal machine guns.
Just found this site which contains more than you would probably want to know about this ammo and apparently most any other...
by billmosby on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:42:01 PM PST
I do not think Japan used the 12.7 in any quantity before 1942/1943. It was a matter of up arming in war.
by dabtl on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:56:05 PM PST
Please say it's safe, or else I will spend the combined Second Inaugural/MLK day on my knees in prayer....and I am not Christian...
"Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).
by BlueStateRedhead on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:24:40 PM PST
at a time.
The hunter with a .410 for dove, a .20 for grouse, a .12 for duck, a .223 for rabbit, a .270 for deer, and a .30-06 for moose is not a problem.
The raw number of guns a person owns isn't relevant.
What matters is what those guns are for, whether the person who owns them has a clean record, whether they're storing them properly, whether they've been trained to handle them safely, whether they're registered, and whether or not they are better classified as destructive devices. http://en.wikipedia.org/...
This place needs a PVP server.
by JesseCW on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:44:18 PM PST
of just making ammunition much more tightly controlled. By banning the manufacture and sale of certain caliber bullets, you could make certain weapons obsolete to a great extent.
by Anne Elk on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:55:25 AM PST
round with microparticles so that every batch of ammo can be uniquely identified.
by Wee Mama on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:46:15 PM PST
I'm not a gun expert. But it seems to me that ANY gun with a large clip is the real problem.
What if we made it be a felony to possess a clip with more than, say, 6 rounds? This would force the nuts to reload often, giving people a chance to stop them.
And if you can't kill your deer with 6 shots, you have no business hunting.
by Bob B on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 11:58:51 AM PST
They even hired some GOP critters to build their gun sales lobby and firing off these military style weapons is a cheap thrill. I want some pseudo-psychoanalysis of the financiers and their gun lobbyists.
by mikeVA on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:44:12 PM PST
He is practicing to stand his ground.
by mikeVA on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 12:45:30 PM PST
Apparently NPR had a spot on Friday by a Police type saying first their trained for negotiations with shooters, then after Columbines with Swat teams, and now, with shooters wearing body armour, they can only hope for them to commit suicide before they kill the cops who go in for them.
The 2nd amendement does not protect the right to wear bullet repelling armour?
Right now the legislation only forbid the sale of that armour to those previously convicted of violent felonies and with records of mental problems, which SCOTUS upheld, Thomas and one other dissenting...
by BlueStateRedhead on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:28:55 PM PST
bullet resistant vest was developed.
I'm not kidding.
There's a shitload of folks other than the 1 or 2 criminals a year who go on a rampage who have entirely legitimate reasons to own body armor.
by JesseCW on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 02:34:50 PM PST
Go to the 8:23 mark and watch what a weapon like this does to objects when they're hit. Then imagine it's a young child that gets hit. It's sickening.
by SweetHomeChicago on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 01:37:57 PM PST
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