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Yes,i watched Morning Joe again this morning.  Well, apparently it's not only assault weapons and magazine clips at fault... it is also violence in films and video games, etc.  

No one brought up the fact, our movies and games are widely distributed all over the world and no country has the problem we have with mass shootings at public areas.

It is our gun culture and the expanded rights of the second amendment that allows for gun shows, sale of military style weapons, and the sale of high volume clips that have enabled those with mental issues to gain access to such weapons.

I wish I could have called into Morning Joe and confronted him on his false equivalency.
Alas, I hope that this eventually will be called to his attention and to those on the staff of Morning Joe.

Originally posted to virginia dare on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:07 AM PST.

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  •  And that's why I commented in another diary (5+ / 0-)

    that I don't trust his "conversion" quite yet...

    The guns are issue number 1.  Mental health services are issue number 1A.  Everything else is tertiary or lower.

    •  Actually he seemed sincere about assault weapons (2+ / 0-)
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      beltane, maryabein

      but I could not get over fixing blame on video games and/or films.

      OMG, now Lieberman is on now affixing blame now on music.

    •  Well In a Nation That Ranks 40th or So in Health (1+ / 0-)
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      maryabein

      care, the mental health angle is worth pursuing. But clearly our systemic problems with mental health don't apply to the CT case because the shooter grew up rich in a family that could afford any kind of care he might have needed.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:24:56 AM PST

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      •  As much as being able to afford... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...mental healthcare is one aspect of helping people get such care, there is a significant stigma attached to the whole idea of needing it. With our culture of rugged individualism, people can often feel like their failures or weak if they need help, so in effort to fake strength, one will forego getting the help the need. Changing our culture to make it more acceptable to get help for mental problems will lead to people being more willing to go get it.

      •  The mental health issue was (2+ / 0-)
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        a factor in the Virginia Tech shootings, which still is the deadliest attack by a single gunman in U.S. history.  

        There is no reason to look at one issue (guns, glorification of violence, mental health) to the exclusion of others.  

  •  And that's why I asked a commenter (1+ / 0-)
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    in another diary who brought up the same point if he or she was kidding.  Commenter then changed the subject.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:20:53 AM PST

  •  And in the violent video games, you pretend to (1+ / 0-)
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    maryabein

    shoot people USING GUNS!!  It all comes back to the guns.  These games are a simulation of shooting people.  With guns. The video game itself is not the real problem here.  

    I don't drink tea or wear mittens.

    by MA Mom on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 06:31:04 AM PST

  •  That is such a good point... (0+ / 0-)

    ...and a big counter-argument. I'm listening to The Stephanie Millier show, and they've been going back and forth a lot this morning so far about violent video games. But your point that other countries play the same violent video games but don't even come close to having the levels of gun violence that we in the US do. And that shows that the problem is something else, not the playing of video games.

  •  It's not "false equivalency" (1+ / 0-)
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    Instead, it's an absolutely true statement -- that pretending that there is a single cause, or a single solution, to this is just nonsense.

    Fact:  We are not going to remove all guns from our society any time soon.  At most, we may remove certain kinds of "assault" weapons.  But as far as making guns completely inaccessible to people who want to use them to do harm -- that's not going to happen.  The overwhelming sentiment is to allow guns for hunting, and simple handguns for people (at the very least) to keep in their stores and homes for self-defense.  Someone who wants to use a gun to do harm to other people is always going to be able to get access to a gun -- not an assault weapon, but a lethal weapon nonetheless.  It's very clear that the Second Amendment, while it does allow regulation of guns (as recognized in the Heller majority opinion) does not allow an outright ban on all types of firearms.  And even if it did, there is no sentiment for doing that.  

    That said, there is nothing disingenuous about pointing out other factors, besides the availability of guns, that ALSO contribute to our violent culture.  Frankly, the way that our culture glorifies violence (yes, through movies and through video games) is certainly a contributing factor.  (Columbine?)  And, the way we deal with -- or don't deal with -- people who have mental or emotional issues is certainly a contributing factor.  (Virginia Tech?)

    I saw Scarborough's statement this morning. It really was a watershed moment for him.  He was very clear that this event has shocked him into supporting more gun regulation than he had ever supported before.  And the majority of his statement was directed toward gun regulation.  There was nothing wrong, in my opinion,   with also mentioning that the glorification of violence and the way we deal with the mentally or emotionally ill are certainly contributing factors.

    A problem this significant rarely has one simple answer.  

  •  Todd Snider has a great song about this (0+ / 0-)

    It is called "Ballad of the Kingsmen". It is about how American adults blame national tragedies on rock music. Todd Snider has a lot if songs that call out the B.S. in the American culture. I got the song off iTunes.

  •  The "gun culture" isn't defined solely by guns... (0+ / 0-)

    I don't disagree, in whole, with the diarist, but there is more to the constant drumbeat of mass murder in this society than guns alone. If we focus solely on the hardware, we will never see an end to it.
         I have no doubt I'll be accused of hoisting the flag of false equivalency, too, but my feelings of helplessness don't arise from the easy availability of guns -- it arises from the seemingly endless parade of shooters. The common denominator is as much anti-social, mentally-ill white males in their late teens to early twenties as it is the guns they use to carry out their twisted fantasies.
         Dealing with guns, and the uncontrolled availability of guns is, beyond question, the priority. But we also must deal with the perfect storm of cultural influences that takes the gun from an inert piece of hardware to a tool for mass murder.
         I don't know the answer, and don't pretend to, but something in our culture is turning out an extraordinary number of young, male sociopaths who act out a whole spectrum of anti-social behavior. There is no degree of rational separation between the sociopathy of the mass murderer and that of the date rapist -- or, for that matter, the MBA who devises empty financial vessels that crash the economy.
         They all exhibit the classic signs of a sociopath: Selfishness, lack of empathy, the willingness to harm others for the sake of temporary excitement. They are learning this somewhere. Somehow, our society is cultivating these dangerous human time bombs; and somehow, we need to stop that process.
         Is it violent video games that objectify human targets in first shooter scenarios? Is it movies that glorify and make heroes of killers? Is it the almost flippant way we engaged in war during the time these shooters were coming of age, treating violence and conflict as the norm?
         I suspect, in part, it's all of the above.
         We need to look at guns, but we also need to look at the fingers on the trigger. Unless we focus on both sides of the problem, we will have accomplished nothing.

    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." -- Mark Twain

    by HuskerBlue on Mon Dec 17, 2012 at 07:03:38 AM PST

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