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  • Today's comic is Armed Society, Polite Society by Matt Bors:
    Comic - Armed Society, Polite Society
  • Good news:
    NBC News’ Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel and members of his network production team were freed from captors in Syria after a firefight at a checkpoint on Monday, five days after they were taken prisoner, NBC News said early Tuesday.

    “After being kidnapped and held for five days inside Syria by an unknown group, NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel and his production crew members have been freed unharmed. We are pleased to report they are safely out of the country,” the network said in a statement.

  • Rick Perry, ladies and gentlemen:
    Speaking before the Northeast Tarrant County Tea Party, Perry defended his unsuccessful race for president earlier this year, saying it was a good experience.

    "It was an extraordinary experience -- I mean, one that I wouldn't trade," he said. "And looking back on it ... I would do it again."

  • Awwwwwwwwww:
    "I guess I'll use this Mikulski box now." - Sen. Barbara Boxer, scooting little box behind podium for added height. http://t.co/...
    @jbendery via Camera on iOS
  • Sweet Jesus, these people never give up:
    The latest battle for the movement that believes Barack Obama is ineligible to be President was fought Monday at the state’s Electoral College vote, where a trio of Republican electors — including state GOP chair Tom Morrissey — once again raised concerns that Obama’s birth certificate is a fake during the electoral college vote. [...]

    Morrissey, the leader of the Republican Party in Arizona and a former Chief Deputy U.S. Marshal for the state, tried to present his concerns over Obama’s eligibility as something other than birtherism.

    “My issue isn’t whether he was born here,” he told KFYI radio in Phoenix Monday. “I have questions [about Obama’s longform birth cerfiticate]. … You know, I have a law enforcement background. I come at this with a little different perspective. It just doesn’t ring right with me.”

  • This happened:
    An Australian court has ruled that a bureaucrat who was injured while having sex on a business trip is eligible for worker’s compensation benefits. [...]

    The woman was hospitalized after being injured in 2007 during sex with a male friend while staying in a motel in the town of Nowra, 160 kilometers (100 miles) south of her hometown of Sydney.

    During the sex, a glass light fitting was torn from its mount above the bed and landed on her face, injuring her nose and mouth. She later suffered depression and was unable to continue working for the government.

  • This is the dumbest thing you will ever read today. Or tomorrow. Or ever:
    I'd also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once.  Would it work?
  • I would so volunteer to be part of this study:
    By studying blindfolded college students who crawled through grass to sniff out a chocolate-scented trail, scientists say they've found evidence of a human smelling ability that experts thought was impossible.
  • On today's Kagro in the Morning show, the nuts & bolts of the Electoral College. Armando on the Fiscal Thingy, and the dynamics of finding a deal. The aftermath of Newtown. Are the new gun rights the "living Constitution" in action, or were they always a "Constitution in exile?" Greg Dworkin from Newtown, for a discussion of the politics of pushback. Then, what "constitutional hardball" says about the game plan for overcoming opposition. Finally, can the guns that "safeguard" your freedoms guard them right out of existence?

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  •  Run, Rick, Run! (7+ / 0-)

    That will help ensure that Democrats win in 2016 (and heck, maybe even 2020)!

    Perry/Palin 2016!

    If life was fair, we wouldn't need unions.

    by ScottyUrb on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:04:10 PM PST

  •  Rick Perry... (2+ / 0-)
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    "It was an extraordinary experience -- I mean, one that I wouldn't trade," he said. "And looking back on it ... I would do it again."
    Me, too!  Go, Ricky, Go!  Do it again!

    You were good for so many asshat laughs!

    "Please don't dominate the rap Jack, if you got nothing new to say." - Robert Hunter

    by WSComn on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:05:23 PM PST

  •  Wonder if NRA is already spoonfeeding talking (4+ / 0-)
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    points to their lackeys. On MSNBC the Conservative woman tried using in Virginia gunpurchases way up and violent crimes down (see- guns stop crime!). She waited all of one day before giving gun lobby propaganda. And earlier in the day a Perry letter was read: feds bad, jumping to conclusions, blah, blah, blah.

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:07:24 PM PST

  •  When I read that "gang rush" quote, I says to (8+ / 0-)

    myself, "Self, only Megan McArdle would be that brain dead to write that."

    Call me Kreskin.

    •  Maybe not only (4+ / 0-)

      Snow Snooki™ remains to be heard from, and The Donald™ might get there soon.

      Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

      by blue aardvark on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:15:51 PM PST

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    •  That quote jumped out at me too. Hmm, (1+ / 0-)
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      almost the way 8-12 bodies would jump out to all pile onto me all at once.

      Rush an automatic rifle that shoots almost two rounds per second. You go ahead. I'll catch up later.

      "Got 'im. Now let's see. I'm okay. Mike is gone and Loretta and Francesca might as well be. Ooooh, Tommy, ugly looking stains on your 'Peace Now' t-shirt. That ain't coming out in the wash. Well, nice job, folks. Sorry you ended up on the shitty end of that one. That's life. Or, um, not."

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:11:30 PM PST

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    •  Yeah... you first, Megan (0+ / 0-)

      "I'd also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide"

      Can this be serious?  Are you sure this wasn't from The Onion?  No one can be that stupid, surely.

      "Dogs' lives are too short. Their only fault, really." -- Agnes Sligh Turnball

      by EyeStreetMom on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 06:36:21 PM PST

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  •  Not about where he was born? (4+ / 0-)

    If these loons in AZ don't question where Obama was born, what exactly do they think would be in the birth certificate that would make him ineligible to be president?

  •  See It Takes a Conservative to Put Forth the Idea (3+ / 0-)
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    that masses of people, even children, should lay down their lives for the security of the state by rushing a shooter.

    Nixon to China kinda thing.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:10:52 PM PST

    •  Does that mean we're getting pandas for Xmas? (2+ / 0-)
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    •  making civilians into WWII reenactors (0+ / 0-)
      However, this solution usually means that the attackers must sacrifice concealment and cover for numbers and speed. Because of this trade-off, human wave attacks are normally used by an attacker with a lack of tactical training, or one who lacks firepower and the ability to maneuver, but whose main advantage is motivating and controlling their men

      yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

      by annieli on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:40:54 PM PST

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    •  Um, you first. And considering how caring (0+ / 0-)

      for their fellow men/women Republicans and Conservatives are, I'm not charging until I can see that I'm behind them, pushing them forward.  Yeah, not going to happen.

    •  eh, when you read it in context (0+ / 0-)

      she's just thinking aloud, grasping at straws, and trying to imagine "outside-the-box" methods. Hardly your typical RW screed or NRA apologism.

      "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

      by TheHalfrican on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:05:36 PM PST

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  •  I have no issue with the workman's comp claim (3+ / 0-)
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    and don't think you should have one either.

    If your employer sends you on a trip, you are effectively on the job for the duration, and should be compensated for injuries received in the course of normal activity. Having a sex life constitutes normal activity (and God knows there is nothing else to do in the evening when you're travelling on business). If you disapprove of this woman being compensated, I declare you a closet prude.

    Visit Lacking All Conviction, your patch of grey on those too-sunny days.

    by eataTREE on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:10:53 PM PST

    •  Unless she was doing this during work hours (3+ / 0-)
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      MRobDC, Gentle Giant, ColoTim

      8 to 5, this was on her time regardless of where they sent her.

      Trust me, you don't want to be on the clock the whole time you travel.

      Sincerely,
      A business traveller.

      •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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        If I am knocking boots in my apartment and the ceiling caves in on me, is my employer responsible because I work from home? That's absurd. She wasn't getting paid for her time when she was getting it on, presumably, so why should they be responsible for her safety? And wtf is this about not being able to work afterwards because of her depression? Because she got a bloody nose from a light hitting her?

      •  If my employer sends me somewhere, and (2+ / 0-)
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        I get sick from the food, the fact that I don't get paid to eat would not preclude me from compensation, given the fact that I wouldn't be eating that food in the first place if I wasn't on that trip for them.

        As a salaried employee, I'm basically always "on the clock" insofar as I'm available for work if they want or need me. I have had "business travel" which did indeed consist of multiple all-nighters, but even when it doesn't, I consider my bosses to be responsible for my well-being as long as I'm away. That does not and should not change should I choose to engage in Teh Sex with another consenting adult.

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        by eataTREE on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:31:48 PM PST

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        •  This woman is government employee (0+ / 0-)

          She is more than likely not expected to be on the clock 24/7, even when traveling, assuming their civil service is like ours. Federal employees are not considered on the clock while traveling except during regular business hours and in the actual act of traveling. Some agencies go so far as to require their employees to take leave to cover layovers unless they can work from the airport.

          This story has nothing to do with sex being acceptable or not. It is that having sex was not part of her job (presumably) and she's being compensated for what she was doing on her free time.

          •  It doesn't matter (1+ / 0-)
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            When traveling, time "off the clock" is still constrained by the fact that you are traveling and having little choice of how and where you're spending your "off the clock" time.

            Replace "During the sex, a glass light fitting was torn from its mount above the bed and landed on her face" by "While brushing her hair, a brusque gesture knocked off a lamp fixture above the mirror that landed on her face".

            Now, may be you have different ideas about employer responsibilities towards traveling employees, but in Australia, it seems that it includes all normal activities on time off the clock, as it should.

            I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

            by Farugia on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:56:56 PM PST

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            •  In both of those situations, its the same (0+ / 0-)

              What is she doing outside of business hours is no concern of her employer. Being on travel for work is not a 24/7 insurance policy.

              •  Well, in Australia, it is. (0+ / 0-)

                Or at least, it seems to be.

                I'm not a workplace lawyer and even less an Australian one, but I know that in most of Europe it would have been the same.

                Now, in the US, workplace injuries during work, doing work, under work orders are barely compensated, if at all. So, I guess the comparison is moot.

                I deal in facts. My friends are few but fast.

                by Farugia on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 03:30:32 PM PST

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            •  I must confess that I had never thought about this (0+ / 0-)

              before and it is kind of an interesting philosophical conundrum.

              I think it is precisely because it was an everyday normal activity that it seems strange to have your employer be liable (unless the hotel fittings were faulty).

              To use examples from my own work-related travel.

              I took students on a field course to Ecuador in the summer.  If I had been bitten by a venomous snake while in the rainforest that would clearly seem to qualify for compensation as I would not have been in a situation where that could have possibly happened to me otherwise.

              On the other hand, a week and a half ago I attended a conference in St Petersburg.  If I had slipped in the shower and hurt myself, unless it was clear that the hotel's shower was unsafe, it seems very dubious to me that my employer should be responsible.  It was a random accident that could have happened any day of my life.

              Otherwise you seem to fall into this kind of absurdity.  I'm walking down the street and I see my employee Bill.  I remember that I need some information from him and stop him to ask him for it.  This delays him in his walk home for a minute and as a result, five minutes later, he is hit by a bus and killed.  I am responsible for his death in a strictly causal sense but not in any kind of moral sense as the bus accident was completely unpredictable.  

              "We are normal and we want our freedom" - Bonzos

              by matching mole on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:38:43 PM PST

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              •  Your examples aren't oranges and oranges. (1+ / 0-)
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                The first one, the snake bite, is while on your official duties guiding the school group during school time.  The second one is while you're presumably not being compensated during your shower time.  I'm not disputing your examples, just saying one is actively on-duty, the other is between duties but still on the business trip.

                However, I have been on business trips and I believe my employers (both government and private) have considered me to be available 24/7, to the point where I can't consume alcohol because I might be required to drive somewhere on short notice or I might be required to focus on resolving a customer issue and being under the influence while working would be against policy.  It's just like being on-call while working a normal job and I'm not traveling.  My off-time is not my own, so I should expect compensation.  Maybe the compensation is built into the base compensation for the job, maybe there's on-call duty pay, or maybe there's some other stand-by pay.  While on a trip, I'd consider the food partial compensation, but I'd also want some compensation for catching up at home (e.g. time off to do things that I'd otherwise be able to do on my own time but can't because of the trip, like housework).

    •  To heck with all this discussion...... (0+ / 0-)

      I want to know what they were doing that pulled down the ceiling light!  I'm missing out on something good here!  Or it may have been a case of seriously bad judgement - any time I've tied someone to something, I made sure it was a damn site more solid than a light fixture.

      "Wouldn't you rather vote for what you want and not get it than vote for what you don't want - and get it?" Eugene Debs. "Le courage, c'est de chercher la verite et de la dire" Jean Jaures

      by Chico David RN on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:43:24 PM PST

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  •  Jeepers, what's wrong with 'Happy Holidays'? (10+ / 0-)

    I've been saying "Happy Holidays" since the early 1980's, when I went to a college that was mostly Jewish. I don't care what religion you are or what holiday you celebrate. I hope it's happy for you!

    This morning I met a guy I haven't seen in a while, with a rousing, "Happy Holidays!". He just about spat in my face, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!", as though I'd said something insulting. I guess Fox News has convinced a lot of people that anyone who isn't aggressively pro-Christian must be aggressively anti-Christian.

    WTF?

    I'll keep saying, "Happy Holidays!", tyvm.

    “Americans are fighters. We're tough, resourceful and creative, and if we have the chance to fight on a level playing field, where everyone pays a fair share and everyone has a real shot, then no one - no one - can stop us. ”-- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:11:17 PM PST

    •  I get that on Facebook (5+ / 0-)

      I just respond that I welcome any and all blessings from any body.

      Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

      by blue aardvark on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:16:58 PM PST

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      •  yes. wish me a Happy Chanukah. wish me (1+ / 0-)
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        a fulfilling Kwanzaa, a soul-restoring Ramadan, a fun Festivus.
        I am none of the social sects that celebrate these, but I will thank you for your kindness in wishing me well and wish you the same.

        "But it's Christmas!" she pouted. "Everyone's sposeta celebrate what I celebrate!"

        Chill out. It isn't that the world should conform to you. It's that you need to grow enough to realize your place and significance within it.

        I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

        by Gentle Giant on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:20:09 PM PST

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    •  A Catholic school in suburban (4+ / 0-)
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      Detroit dropped the Hanukkah song this year from their annual pageant because "Jesus is the reason for the season."

      Pssst.... Jesus was Jewish.

    •  A buddy of mine: "I don't have religious gaydar. (5+ / 0-)

      Unless they're lamenting in a hair shirt carrying a ginormous cross, they get a 'Happy Holidays' from me ..."

      Words to live by!

    •  Me too (0+ / 0-)

      And I think retailers understand what FOX News does not: profits are religiously neutral -- there's no difference between a Jewish dollar, a Hindu dollar, a Pagan dollar or a Christian dollar when you look at the balance sheet.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:32:04 PM PST

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      •  Many do, but I've seen some that don't. (0+ / 0-)

        Also, there are Michael's stores, Chick-fil-A's and others that aren't open on Sundays "to give staff members a chance to worship with their families" that turn down income in order for their views.  In addition, they turn off people like myself that would rather shop at places that don't let religion run their lives.

    •  "Season's Greetings" was acceptable in 40's (0+ / 0-)

      as was "Happy Holidays".  And that was before most people even thought of non-Christmas holidays in that season.  Certainly it was not considered an anti-Christian sentiment!  Prayer was just fine in schools,  atheists were persona non grata, etc.  So this whole non-issue is just stoopid and totally trumped-up.  

      In practice I seem to recall that "Seasons Greetings" cards usually had sedate Victorian type scenes, buggies and estates in the snow, traditionally decorated trees, etc.  "Happy Holidays" would be something like Christmas wreaths, bright birds on fir limbs etc.  "Merry Christmas" was more likely to include Santa, reindeer, cute woodland critters, piles of gaily wrapped presents, etc.  And "Blessings in this Holy/Christmas Season" would be religious-themed.  Nothing formalized ever, but I saw a great lot of cards till I much later opted out of that whole costly meme.  Such a shame that 50 years of that has totally destroyed Christmas!  LOL

  •  We should encourage kindergarteners to rush (7+ / 0-)

    people and gang-tackle them. That's guaranteed to work.

    Failing that, we should teach them to make weapons out of crayons and glue by watching old McGyver episodes.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:12:07 PM PST

  •  Open pointing? Quit giving them ideas (6+ / 0-)

    Actually, that's pretty much what stand-your-ground is.

  •  Next solution: preemptive shooting of weird kids (7+ / 0-)

    before they grow up to be mass murderers.

    You can which kids are at risk by their high IQs and their lack of interest in football.

  •  Very relieved about Richard Engel. He's one of the (6+ / 0-)

    really good guys who literally risks his life to bring us the news from war battered regions. Via Steve Benen:

    Savannah Guthrie summarized the sentiments of many at the end of the interview: "We are just profoundly grateful to see you this morning. I think we can just take a moment to say how loved you are by this organization and how thankful we all are that you're here with us."

    Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less. E.J. Dionne

    by blueyescryinintherain on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:14:05 PM PST

  •  McArgleBargle wins teh stupid award this week (3+ / 0-)

    Why not strap suicide vests on them while you're at it. They could detonate it as their last act.

    White-collar conservatives flashing down the street, pointing their plastic finger at me..

    by BOHICA on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:17:09 PM PST

  •  Wish that someone had encouraged (11+ / 0-)

    McArdle's editors to gang tackle her before putting that column in print.

    Barack Obama for President

    by looty on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:20:19 PM PST

  •  . (5+ / 0-)

    Leave it to Rick Perry

    at a tea party forum on Monday Perry said that he supported teachers and administrators carrying concealed weapons into schools. Exactly what we need. More guns, not less. Arming school officials who probably don’t even know how to use guns. What could possibly go wrong? Except EVERYTHING.

    Perry also took this opportunity to suggest that mental health issues must be addressed to make schools safer, saying, “It appears that this was a young man who was very disturbed.” Too bad he wasn’t treated by our mental health care system! Seeing that mental health spending here ranks dead last in the nation, it’s the only state where you end up coming out crazier than you were going in. And then go get a gun.

    We're #51! We're #51!
    The national average for spending on mental health services is $109 a person, according to the Center for Public Policy Priorities. Texas spends just $36, ranking the state 51st (including Washington DC) — last in the country — when it comes to mental health funding.

    Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi

    by DRo on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:21:13 PM PST

  •  The dumbest thing you've ever heard is not (1+ / 0-)
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    the dumbest thing you've ever heard.

    Not smart for all people in all circumstances, but think of every bad Kung Fu or action movie you've ever seen.

    Think of the big fight scenes where one person after the other rushes the hero.  Who doesn't think, "You morons, don't go in one at a time, go in together! He can't get you all at once."

    It was the logic behind the unsuccessful but logical rush on the cockpit of Flight 93 on 9/11 --

      We're going to die if we just sit here.
      They can't stop us if we all rush the cockpit together.
      We may not be able to save ourselves, but we'll save    whoever else is going to die if this plane reaches its target.

    And honestly, I'd call them heroic before I called them dumb.

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    by dinotrac on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:22:04 PM PST

    •  You were on flight 93? (0+ / 0-)

      No one actually knows how the attack happened except for those who have fevered 9/11 fantasies while beating off.

      •  I thought there were passengers texting (2+ / 0-)
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        or calling loved ones about it, Yoshimi. I could be wrong, but I thought the passengers on 93 had heard about the towers and the Pentagon and figured it out.

        I could be wrong. I'm not wedded to the idea.

        I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

        by Gentle Giant on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:41:55 PM PST

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        •  You are kinder than I am. (0+ / 1-)
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          You are absolutely right. That's also how the passengers on the plane knew that they were doomed.

          I would have responded to Yoshimi myself, except that I tend to presume that people here on DK are not idiots, which would make him/here merely contemptible, and hence not worth the effort.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:24:46 PM PST

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        •  We can speculate based on the texts (0+ / 0-)

          but how many people do you think fit down one of those aisles at once?  1 at a time.

          dinotrak is our resident Republican who runs fast and loose with his facts.

    •  Well, those were adults (1+ / 0-)
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      You really expect first graders to have the same impact?

      And the adults that rushed the shooter still ended up just as dead, and did nothing to stop him. If he'd had a traditional firearm, perhaps one might have died but another could have gotten to him well before he got to that classroom.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:40:58 PM PST

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      •  No, but I didn't say that, did I? (0+ / 0-)
        Not smart for all people in all circumstances

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 02:25:43 PM PST

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      •  Lest I forget --- (0+ / 0-)

        Rushing a shooter one at a time is a very good way to get killed.

        The killer used a semi-automatic weapon, which means one shot per squeeze of the trigger.  That's exactly what happens with a revolver, and, really, any handgun you can buy today.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 04:05:52 AM PST

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    •  dinotrac, not only kung-fu movies, but (1+ / 0-)
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      the original Batman tv show where henchman lined up to get punched or kicked, waiting with chins extended.

      Even as a kid, I thought that was hilarious.

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:43:10 PM PST

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  •  Israeli Teachers Are Armed and (3+ / 0-)
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    Other Stupid Right Wing Myths (recommended for Arm-The-Teachers response)

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/...

    MYTH: Arming our teachers would be the same as arming Israeli teachers.

    FACT: Each Israeli teacher goes through at least two years of military training. Our teachers have no such requirement (and see myth number four).

    MYTH: Armed people don’t get killed.

    FACT: Adam Lanza’s mother proves otherwise. She owned plenty of weapons and was still killed in her own home. Armed soldiers, unfortunately, are killed every day.

    MYTH: An armed teacher would have saved lives.

    FACT: Perhaps, but it’s as likely that crossfire could have cost more lives. In an extremely heated moment, bullets are the only thing flying faster than emotions. Trained police officers shoot the wrong people. How can we expect more of teachers?

    MYTH: All Israeli teachers are armed.

    FACT: With the exception of a few West Bank teachers, it’s simply not true.

    continued...

    When someone is impatient and says, "I haven't got all day," I always wonder, How can that be? How can you not have all day? George Carlin

    by msmacgyver on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:25:04 PM PST

    •  And in Israel...soldiers leave guns at the base (3+ / 0-)
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      All Israelis must participate in the military (with some exceptions).  That means a gun is issued to pretty much everyone.  

      They used to allow soldiers working mon-fri to take their guns home with them on Friday.  They stopped that practice, and the result was less suicides by soldiers on weekends.  

      The neat part is, soldier suicides didn't pick up on weekdays.  In other words, suicide is an implusive action that gets easier with a gun around.  

      Why do we think guns protect us?

      The symbol for the Republican party shouldn't be an elephant -- it should be a unicorn.

      by Deadicated Marxist on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:38:41 PM PST

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  •  Harry Reid to Boner.......get fucked. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Maybe the Payroll tax should expire? (1+ / 0-)
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    DRo

    I hate the payroll holiday tax for 2 reasons.

    1.  It takes money out of Social Security, and thus undermines, and makes the chances of future cuts more possible.

    2.  It doesn't affect many Americans who pay into union pensions.

    Maybe I'm missing something here, but I'm find with this "holiday" going away.

    Help me out?

    The symbol for the Republican party shouldn't be an elephant -- it should be a unicorn.

    by Deadicated Marxist on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:33:46 PM PST

  •  Good news: (2+ / 0-)
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    Report: Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder plans to veto legislation allowing concealed weapons in public schools, bill sponsor Sen. Mike Green says - @detnews
  •  Meghan McStupid has history of saying dumb things (1+ / 0-)
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    But I am surprised that the article in Atlantic, written by her colleague Jeffrey Goldberg didn't get more heated response. Perhaps because it was so dumb and nihilistic it was ignored, until Newtown made it sadly relevant

    An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head. -- Eric Hoffer

    by MichiganChet on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:46:24 PM PST

  •  We have this Gun thingy all wrong (0+ / 0-)

    We should step back to the good old days of yore.. before you leave your home you should put on your ten gallon hat and strap on your 6-shooter or 100-shooter whatever is your fancy.  This method of dress should include women, children, LGBT & babies.   We would all be safe as in the days of yore!
    (Snark)

    We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars - Oscar Wilde

    by Crittersmith1 on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 12:46:53 PM PST

  •  8-12 unarmed people may not be able to subdue (0+ / 0-)

    a guy with a gun.  For example...

    http://www.omg-facts.com/...

  •  One of the scariest sights I saw (0+ / 0-)

    was when my daughters were toddlers, we took them to a petting farm (we live in Virginia where there are open carry laws). A mom of two young toddlers was showing her kids around, all the while with a gun attached to a holster to her hip. The entire farm was filled with parents and their toddler children, and everyone who noticed her gave this woman a very wide berth. Many people were totally oblivious though.

    The woman's kids' faces and hands were the level of the gun. It still gives me the shudders to think about it.

     

  •  Regarding the human sense of smell experiment (2+ / 0-)
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    Gentle Giant, nicteis

    Richard Feynman used to perform the party trick of having a group of people randomly take books off of a bookshelf and replace them.  Feynman would smell each persons hands, and then determine which books were handled by whom by smell.

    "Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation..."--David St. Hubbins

    by Old Left Good Left on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:17:38 PM PST

  •  Geebus, this (from the linked piece): (1+ / 0-)
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    Gentle Giant
    Since we can't understand it, we can't change it.  And since we can't change it, our best hope is to box it in.  Gun control opponents are angry that liberals immediately started talking about gun control, but this seems like a natural instinct to me. [bolding mine]
    Either there are a LOT more liberals (e.g. almost everyone) in this country than I imagined, or the writer is an idiot.

    You pick.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:45:28 PM PST

    •  One more choice. (1+ / 0-)
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      cany

      Being pro-gun control automatically makes you Liberal.

      That is what they believe. They also believe that being anti-gun control excludes you from being a liberal.

      Life is so much easier, less scary, when you whittle things down to black and white, yes or no. Thinking hurts and causes no end of trouble.

      I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

      by Gentle Giant on Tue Dec 18, 2012 at 01:49:49 PM PST

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  •  Surprised about the chocolate? Really? (1+ / 0-)
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    Sailorben

    Least surprising story of the day. I'm pushing 70, and my olfactory bulbs are ready to be consigned to spring planting. I could hardly even smell the sulfur in a roomful of K street lobbyists.

    But of course they could follow this trail. Come on. We're talking about chocolate here.

    •  Exactly! (0+ / 0-)

      I'd go for the test.. so long as it involved chocolate! Preferably with a bit of a nutty scent/ingredient as well. :)

      BTW, it seems to me that the most universally loved/valued food and drink would be coffee and chocolate.  Not sure about tea but it's got to be up there too.  I can't think of any others at that level!

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