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The NRA rails against gun-free zones around schools.  The NRA is now advocating that we put an armed guard at every school.  Let's briefly hash out the likely outcome of this below the burnt-orange University of Texas squiggly thingy...

I don't want to delve into the "why" of these mass-casualty incidents other than point out that it's "terrorism" when Muslims do it, "gangbanging" when urban African Americans do it and "Mental illness" when upper middle class white people do it....But I'm off topic before I even started.

So let's assume a person is interested in causing mass casualties at a school - because he's a terrorist, a gangbanger or mentally ill.  At the urging of the NRA, schools are no longer gun free zones.  In addition, schools now employ an armed guard.  The person enters the school grounds, parks his car and grabs his guns.  He walks towards the school.  The armed security guard inside takes note, but of course this person isn't doing anything wrong.  Carrying guns in school is perfectly legal.

"But!" you might say "the guard is armed! He can stop this guy in his tracks!".  Yes indeed, except the guy has done nothing wrong.  And being a terrorist/gangbanger/mentally ill person of at least some mental capacity, the murdered knows where to shoot first - the security guard.  The security guard can't defend him or herself until after the shooter takes aim, which would a bit too late to put it mildly.

Now the armed murderer has access to the rest of the school...and the guard's gun so he can get a few more rounds.

This is what the NRA considers a "solution" to the problem.  Color me amazed.  Or not.

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  •  That's true (3+ / 0-)

    In many states you could not apprehend or arrest someone attempting to enter a school just because they had a gun. At that point they would be doing nothing illegal.

    How stupid is that?

  •  Policeman at every school with his/her .. (1+ / 0-)
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    car parked out front. I drive by a High School and see the police car out front everyday and it seems right. I worked in a HS for twenty years and it seemed right. Every visitor must be buzzed in after visual contact. I think that would help and it is not perfect but part of a solution.

    Plato's " The Cave" taught me to question reality.

    by CTDemoFarmer on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:48:23 AM PST

    •  it 'seems right' (3+ / 0-)
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      lesliet, stunvegas, splashy

      only in a society that has totally given up on creating a 'more perfect union' and civil society ...

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      by josephk on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:52:22 AM PST

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    •  I appreciate this idea.. (0+ / 0-)

      I do worry about the strain on resources, though.  My town of 40,000 has 65 police officers.  about 35 are on duty during the day.  We have 13 public schools.  That's a significant portion of the force.

      On the other hand, I suppose police at the school could be performing their regular duties about as well as when they are parked and observing anywhere else.

      •  Standard police thing to do, in fact (1+ / 0-)
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        They have to park somewhere while they do paperwork. The classic thing to do is park in front of a suspected crack house and ruin their business. Parking in front of a school could do good as well. Full-time coverage is not necessary at all. Being unpredictable can throw a wrench in an attacker's planning.

  •  What stops the armed guard from 'losing it'? (1+ / 0-)
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    Dogs are fuzzy

    Tragically - we have seen all too often employees losing it ... I guess that the NRA response to that eventuality would be -- of course ... more guns

    Next teachers ... then students ... the world that they live in and want to construct is is so bat shit insane as to virtually have no logical retort!

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    by josephk on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:49:00 AM PST

    •  What stops (0+ / 0-)

      any police officer or armed guard anywhere from "losing it"?

      •  So then answer obviously is.... (0+ / 0-)

        To arm everyone to the teeth. That way if someone does lose it they'll be immediately taken down in a rain of bullets.  And if some of those bullets happen to kill someone innocent, so be it.  That after all is the price we pay for our freedom or something fucking stupid like that.

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        by DisNoir36 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:17:54 AM PST

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        •  No, I'm not saying that at all. (0+ / 0-)

          I'm just saying armed people walk among us every day. They're called "cops" - or some of them are, anyway.
          I'm not your enemy.
          I'll have another BLT, hold the anger.

          •  Not angry at you Kes (0+ / 0-)

            I know you're a sensible person.  Just angry after the press conference.  Sandy Hook was too close to home.

            Personally  I think the who debate is fucking stupid.  Debate is over.  More guns is not the answer.  If they were Adam Lanza wouldn't have killed anyone because his mom had a small arsenal for when the end of civiliation arrived.  Legally purchased.  Small good it did her or 26 other innocents needlessly murdered.

            We tried it the NRA way.  It's high time we try something different.  Every other modern country has media, movies, music, video games.  None have the mass murders.  Why?  Guns.  We can ban fucking imaginary guns in games but not the real ones?  Fuck Wayne Lapierre.  We need to control our guns and be responsible.  

            And frankly any gun owning progressive who hasn't ripped up their NRA membership by now should do so after today's disgusting display of pure unadulterated evil.

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            by DisNoir36 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:37:24 PM PST

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    •  Google "base rate fallacy" to prove your point (1+ / 0-)
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      The armed guards are going to outnumber school shooters by an amount which doesn't really fit in a human brain.

      Freak accidents will happen so often, by sheer weight of numbers, that the kids probably wouldn't be any safer.

  •  Having armed security in schools (0+ / 0-)

    would in no sense mean anybody could walk in there with a gun.
    They have armed security in courthouses, you know.....

  •  Not just schools (2+ / 0-)
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    Dogs are fuzzy, wewantthetruth

    So let's suppose we do this and it was effective. So instead of hitting a school, the guy goes to a playground or a park or a beach or a shopping mall or a YMCA or a movie theater or a swimming pool or a library or any other place people gather. Does every place we go have to guarded? What about highway overpasses? It's no solution and would lead to a horribly unpleasant way of life.

    •  Bars? I think guns in bars might be a good idea. (0+ / 0-)

      They're "gun-free zones" now, but are people protected there?  NOOO-O-O-!  Arm the wait staff and the bartenders, and let ALL the patrons carry.  THAT'll show the bad guys.  Oh...wait...

      The ineffable stupidity is truly beyond comprehension.

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      by tom 47 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:30:37 AM PST

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  •  The New Meme -- Spread It (2+ / 0-)
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    Having armed guards at every school is going to cost big bucks.  Thus, it turns out, that the NRA is just another tax and spender who think you can just throw money at a problem.

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    by RoIn on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:16:54 AM PST

  •  Maybe Hollywood movies really DO (0+ / 0-)

    cause gun violence. Not so much because they make people violent (though I'm not so sure about that - but that's another issue) but because they spread so much misinformation about firearms and bullets. And by misinformation, I mean "over-the-top bullshit."

    Every scenario I've seen from a cold-dead-hander about how arming everyone from 1st graders to union-thug teachers to "security guards" (by which I think they mean Blackwater-style, steroid-loaded mercenaries) sounds just like it came out of a movie. The heroic sniper foils the shooting, the good guys dance and sidestep and roll their way unscathed through a hail of bullets, and Neo slows time so he can pick bullets out of the air.

    Hey, Waynie and all your kind - it's just a movie, ffs. You really can't pick bullets out of the air.

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    by jan4insight on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:28:51 AM PST

    •  all countries have violent video games(and movies) (0+ / 0-)

      what other country has an issue like this?

      what about parents not allowing them in their house or kids under 18 seeing violent films? what is stopping them from doing so, right now?

      the issue is the proliferation of guns and lax gun laws. period.

      mittens=edsel. no matter how much money is spent to promote it, if the product sucks, no one will buy it.

      by wewantthetruth on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:46:14 AM PST

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      •  Oh, I agree totally. That was semi-snark, written (0+ / 0-)

        after noticing that that so much of these "arm us all to stop it" proposals seem to be based on such gross lack realistic awareness of how things actually work. Like they're talking movies, actually.

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        by jan4insight on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:54:57 AM PST

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    •  Disclaimer: it's snark, people - I have stated (0+ / 0-)

      many times that I believe guns are the problem.

      Still you have to wonder where these creeps come up with their "solutions." The only world where their ideas make any kind of sense is the fantasy world of the movies.

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      by jan4insight on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:56:58 AM PST

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  •  Another scenario: A terrorist or nutter who has (0+ / 0-)

    served in the military or on a police force (perhaps suffering from PTSD) decides to go out making na big impresssion and gets a job as one of these school guards. Uses knowledge of the school, etc., brings in extra guns..... (I can't go on further. Use your imagination).

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 12:01:53 PM PST

    •  But... (0+ / 0-)

      ...that could never happen, because people who are trained to use deadly firearms never do anything illegal/immoral with them.

      And to be honest, the standard for your average 'security guard' would probably fall somewhere well below your average police officer.

      If you put Republicans in charge of it, they'd probably privatize the whole affair and hire some private security company like Wackenhut. Then, they would just put some random hump with a gun in there and pay him or her minimum wage. I can see it now.

      Do we really want some fringe who is making less than $10 an hour and probably isn't even getting health benefits because they are only allowed to work part-time protecting our kids?

      Or worse yet, some "volunteer" security guard that Wayne LaPierre wants the NRA to train and deploy?

      The NRA is trying to turn their pisspoor standing in this scenario into them being the guardian angels of America.

      Flip the script...

  •  Good point! (0+ / 0-)

    The attacker takes out the armed person first. Totally logical.

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    by splashy on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 02:24:33 PM PST

  •  April 20, 1999 shows this doesn't work. (0+ / 0-)

    Columbine actually had an armed security guard on duty.   The guy's name was Neil Gardner.    He fired at Eric Harris, but missed him.   At that point, Harris fired back, and missed Gardner.   Gardner hid behind a wall, I think, and that's when Harris first got into the school.   I don't believe Dylan Klebold was involved in the bullet exchange, but what if he had been?

    In an instance where you've got two mass murderers gunning at one cop, what the hell is the cop supposed to do?  Magically dodge bullets from two assassins simultaneously?  

    The NRA's answer to everything is "moar guns!" nonsense.    

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