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  •  Kerry has served this country for a long time, (27+ / 0-)

    he is an intelligent, experienced, thoughtful veteran. An excellent choice to try to bring some sanity to a troubled world. I wish him the best of luck and work hard to elect a Democrat to replace him in the Senate.

    •  Hello X-Senator, Senator to be Scott Brown..? (8+ / 0-)

      This guy has got to be the luckiest POS in the world..I gave $100 Bucks to Warren campaign to beat Scotty but I'm not going to do it again

      "Round up the usual suspects"

      by NanaoKnows on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:21:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*k. (8+ / 0-)

        Well, mark two for the Republicans:

        1) Bully Rice to quit.
        2) Get Kerry in to open up a Senate seat.

        The Brownies are already biting at the bit to reelect Brown - and the truck that is more famous than the man.

        Honestly, there's not ONE other person Obama could nominate that wouldn't endanger a SENATE FUCKING SEAT?

        Strange but not a stranger.

        by jnww on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:42:09 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Worse, Brown beats Patrick, BEST Dem, in a poll (0+ / 0-)

          we don't have anyone stronger with state wide appeal
          out of staters on Kos don't seem to believe us on this. No one other Dem hypthetically wanting to run has much statewide name recognition amongst the nonpoltical masses.

          Voila we see even against our GOVERNOR who is well liked...

          believe it now

          http://thegrio.com/...

      •  if brown gets back to the us senate (6+ / 0-)

        I will be unhappy with both Obama and Kerry. Kerry is a vet, and should understand strategy, Obama is supposed to be looking out for the long term health of the Democratic party, and today we know without question that the GOP is "history" and that teabag freakers are actually masquerading as republicans, and knowing that these bastards are out to destroy democracy, Obama is wrong to allow the repugs any chance to destroy harry's majority in the senate.
        Kerry ought to understand that sometimes you have to take one for the team. He has money and comfort, and there must be someone else that can do this job. The republicans will be fighting the white house no matter what. I get that John has been instrumental in the "rise" of Obama, and things may turn out ok for us in the senate, but I am not sure about letting go of that seat.
        Maybe, just maybe, this is the President continuing to dismantle the repug's supposed advantage in the arena of foreign policy.

        The Democrats now own everything from the center right to the far left. the republicans and the filthy robberbarons occupy the extreme right fringe.

        by longtimelurker on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:51:01 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Just hand Senator McDreamy the seat... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        longtimelurker, LaurenMonica

        ...great plan.

        We just elected a Democrat to the Senate from NORTH DAKOTA (one who had a very public battle with advanced-stage breast cancer and then was out of politics for a dozen years, by the way) and yet our chances are hopeless in Massachusetts?

        •  baffling (0+ / 0-)
          and yet our chances are hopeless in Massachusetts?

          The Democrats now own everything from the center right to the far left. the republicans and the filthy robberbarons occupy the extreme right fringe.

          by longtimelurker on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:11:14 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Every election depends on specific (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            aseth

            context. Special election the summer is a goldmine for Brown. The fact is he's known statewide and remains popular. The Dems have no opponent who's known statewide and little time, in a special election with nobody paying attention, to rectify that. Turnout patterns in any non-Presidential, especially a favor election, play to Brown's favor big time.

            Heitkamp won with a near-perfect campaign in a Presidential year. Six months ago some Republican was saying, "Ha, ha, we just won a Senate seat in MASSACHUSETTS and you think we'll lose this race in North Dakota?"

            Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

            by fenway49 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 07:12:42 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  MA does not have Senate calliber Dem depth (0+ / 0-)

            we had Kennedy and Kerry for decades so Dem party here did not develop that.

            it is a fact. Note hopeless but Brown even beats our Best Dem (very popular Gov Patrick) in a poll

            http://thegrio.com/...

      •  Brown's opponent wil need $100 more than Sen. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        cjo30080

        ... Warren did.

        Governor Patrick has to be very strategic in this next choice. No place-holder like the successor to Ted Kennedy and no candidate like Martha Coakley. Someone who actually likes to campaign and can do it well, someone who has Boston Mayor Menino's active support from the get-go. And then energize the MA Democratic Party to get the vote out.

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:37:27 PM PST

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  •  an excellent choice (15+ / 0-)

    although I would have preferred him to be SecDef if only to watch the Swiftboaters' heads explode

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:04:32 PM PST

    •  That would have been pleasing. This should be even (3+ / 0-)
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      sacrelicious, annieli, jplanner

      more productive though. And the not-so-swifties heads probably popped (trying to deescalate my imagery for a change) when their attempt a few months ago to paint Obama as having manipulated the killing of Osama to his benefit at the expense of soldiers died a quick death.

  •  Meh. (1+ / 0-)
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    Kansachusetts

    Really, this is the best we can do?

  •  Not to be a negative Nancy (16+ / 0-)

    But I hate that Kerry got it ONLY because this is exactly what the GOP wanted. They played their strategy and Obama ate right into it. I just hope Brown doesn't get Kerrys seat

    Follow me on Twitter! @guileofthegods

    by Guile Of The Gods on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:05:15 PM PST

    •  The coach has gotta poach (3+ / 0-)
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      annieli, longtimelurker, cjo30080

      Hopefully he won't take out many other elected officeholders

      "And once again, the forces of niceness and goodness have triumphed over the forces of evil and rottenness." --Maxwell Smart

      by emobile on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:07:56 PM PST

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    •  Quite simply, you don't know that to be true. We (8+ / 0-)

      know that both Rice and Kerry were being considered. We don't know their relative position. Others have given numerous reasons why Rice may well have been ranked below Kerry even before the idiocy by the Republicans. I would have been sad if Obama were forced into choosing Rice just to show he could, if she were not his top choice.



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:09:05 PM PST

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    •  I'm sitting out... (0+ / 0-)

      the 2014 election donation cycle, even if Democrats do manage to hold this seat, which I doubt.

      "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

      by JackND on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:11:30 PM PST

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      •  I'm sure Scott Brown (7+ / 0-)

        is happy to hear that and hoping that's the general sentiment.

        However, Massachusetts has an awesome deep bench I think.  Somehow I really don't see Brown defeating whatever incumbent is named as the replacement.

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:46:28 PM PST

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        •  If Massachusetts has such a great bench, (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          TRPChicago, cjo30080

          why did we lose to Brown in the first place and then have to go outside "the bench" to get a candidate that would be willing to run and able to win this time around?

          Not saying its impossible but remember what happened in the last special. Also, three Senate races in two years is going to be incredibly draining. Can we rely on Menino to get out his troops every time? I sure hope so.

          I won't believe corporations are people until Texas executes one. Leo Gerard.

          by tgrshark13 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:07:46 PM PST

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          •  Why did Coakley lose to Brown? (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Wee Mama

            Three reasons:

            (1) She had a fulltime job (MA Atty-General) that wasn't the job she was campaigning for;

            (2) She was a lazy and arrogant candidate who considered actually campaigning in the snow and mud to be beneath her; and

            (3) She wasn't the incumbent. Deval Patrick appointed a placeholder to the seat, rather than someone interested in the job. Now, Sen. Kirk did a pretty good job while he was there, but he didn't run for election.

        •  Deep bench, deep schmench (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          cjo30080, jplanner

          Scott Brown polls significantly better than anyone in the state, including Gov. Deval Patrick.

          The only real hope is Teddy Jr., but his candidacy would just inflame the Republicans more and strengthen Brown's support.

          I don't think Obama knows what "two-party-system" means.

          Democrats in Massachusetts worked their tails off for Elizabeth Warren, who was a much stronger candidate than any Dem that's going to emerge from Massachusetts. Recall, if you will, that Massachusetts regularly elects Republicans for governor and senator.

          •  Brown's only polling well cause (0+ / 0-)

            he has name recognition now. But I bet Warren, possibly Kerry and all the local Dems are going to campaign BIG TIME to make sure Brown doesn't get that seat back.

            Follow me on Twitter! @guileofthegods

            by Guile Of The Gods on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:05:49 PM PST

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            •  not from MA, huh? (0+ / 0-)

              if you are we just disagree. But that is not only reason. WE don't have depth of Senate calliber Dem candidates. SOmeoe on Kos came up with a list of people and even I probably more well informed in national politics didn't know many of them. There is no way the average MA voter knows these people. IT may be that people here, Dems leaning especially, don't pay a lot  of attention to state politics because we know Dems run it. Maybe that's my excuse.
              But people I know don't know these people either (and I'm in Boston).

              People in MA are very loyal. They felt they FIRED Brown. There is and will be a sentiment amongst the vast middle that it is just Karma that this seat opened up and it will be Brown's for the taking.

              MA voters are also independant minded. In fact, we have way more "independants" (unenrolled....it takes effort to unenroll yourself though so it's equivalent of Independant) than Dems. People fancy themselves voting for the PERSON not the party. That is why we had FOUR Republican Govenors in a Row. BROWN ran as an independant the first time IN THAT he never mentioned he was a Republican. Honestly I wonder how many people were not clear on that ...he kept saying "an independant voice". Brown plays off that here. It works really really well.

              •  of course now they know he's a Rep (0+ / 0-)

                but Brown still plays of that dynamic. And he's very likeable. He got away with really crapy stuff in last campaign and it did not stick as much as it should have. His very gracious concession speech erased the idea his campaign was vicious and negative. He acts nice and people forgive him. Probably that went on his whole life...he has charm and it works.

                (disclosure I worked on Warren's campaign)

          •  Um, well, governor (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Australian2, jplanner

            Though Deval Patrick won the last two. But Senator? Other than Brown's special, the last GOP win for U.S. Senate in Massachusetts was in 1972.

            Still, I think this is a perfect storm and all to Brown's advantage. We'll have to bust our butts to beat him again. Cue the chorus of out-of-state namecallers who think I'm defeatist because I actually look at numbers here.

            Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

            by fenway49 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 07:15:31 PM PST

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            •  I agree it's so irritating to not be believed (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              fenway49

              over and over and over again on Kos about this. I worked on Warren's campaign I talked to a lot of people statewide. Brown has tons of passionate support already bult up

              the Dem starts from scratch without many passionate supporters (except maybe if Gov Patrick ran) and likely a lot less name recogition and money. Brown has incumbant advantage as well. Then we have an exhausted electorate who is less likely to show up...favors Brown heavily.

              Obama and Kerry I hope know that they very likely gave this seat away. I am being a realist about the data I have which is more than out of state people

              People need to know how hard it is here so they aren't complacent. It will be an uphill battle

              •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                Kansachusetts, jplanner

                It's particularly frustrating not only that people don't believe it, but that you're practically attacked even for saying it, no matter what your evidence. "Troll." "Pusillanimous flamers."

                "If Massachusetts can't elect a Democrat Senator in this special election, Massachusetts Democrats are just pathetic!" Says the guy from Michigan with the Tea Party Governor, legislative supermarjority, and U.S. House delegation. With notable exceptions, it seems people actually in Massachusetts are at least 3-1 on our side of this.

                The only Republican we'd have trouble with is Brown, and only in a low-turnout election. Sadly that's what we've go.

                Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                by fenway49 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:11:07 AM PST

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        •  WE DO NOT HAVE A DEEP BENCH are you joking? (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Kansachusetts

          we have few if any Dems of Senate stature with even statewide Name recognition!

          SOmeone explained this as being that Dem party here was complacent didn't groom people because we had Kennedy and Kerry in place fo decades. Warren was a fluke, a star. ON MA stadards where a REpublican (Brown) looses by only eight points during a Presidential election (which leans more Dem...Obama beat our Ex Governor by about 25 points!)...it is not good news.

          Tons of national money...all your help...helped Warren. She was tied with Brown until the last month anyway..it was close until a few weeks before the election

          Gov Patrick said before he wanted to complete his term but NO ONE Dem that I can think of  can beat Brown. I thought he could..he's most well known Dem

          but look
          http://thegrio.com/...

          not good

          sorry to shout by the way. Get tired of correcting people out of state who don't believe us when we post that Brown is a shoe in. They think MA is different than it is. Peole are very loyal here and independat minded and Brown plays on both those things. He is still well liked I promise you

    •  Sure there has to be (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      NanaoKnows

      a sufficient number of qualified Democrats who are not currently serving in Congress.  I think this a tragically bad idea, not because Kerry would be bad, but because it is a tactical mistake.  If you can't get a Republican senator from a relatively blue state, then go outside congress for crying out loud.
        If you are really going for effect, go with Kucinich for SoD.  I don't know if that would be good or bad, certainly wouldn't get confirmed, but damn it would be fun to watch the hearings.

      •  Hahaha, your weeerd..Like that. Course I always (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Guile Of The Gods

        have been a Dennis Kucinich backer..OH IO !

        "Round up the usual suspects"

        by NanaoKnows on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:27:45 PM PST

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      •  Massachusetts is a blue state n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        wishingwell
        •  simplistic view. MA had 4 Rep Govs in a row (0+ / 0-)

          I'm here. It is Brown's for the taking or at least an uphill battle. PEople are loyal to incumbants here and that is how they view him. He didn't loose by much considering it's MA and he's a Rep and ROmney lost by 24 or so points in same election.

      •  It's too serious a position to have a slap-happy (0+ / 0-)

        ... hearing.

        Agreed it was a mistake to open the seat to Scott Brown, though Kerry is by far the best candidate for the job and he will get approved.

        (I'd have had President Obama strong arm Colin Powell to take the job "for the good of the country," and told McCain and his deplorable Rice-baters to take it and like it.)

        Brown does have vulnerabilities. MA needs a Democratic candidate who doesn't and a campaign staff who can point up (1) all of Brownies failings as a man and as a pretend moderate, and (2) why the seat cannot be given up to the Republican Party like the last Brown election did.  

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:45:59 PM PST

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    •  If so, jokes on them. (0+ / 0-)

       

      Light is seen through a small hole.

      by houyhnhnm on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:39:26 PM PST

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    •  Frankly (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JBraden, Wee Mama, jes2

      I think Kerry is pretty damned well qualified. If the GOP pushed us into a thoughtful climate hawk in State, then I'll have to send John McCain some flowers.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:45:02 PM PST

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      •  I'm happy to have Kerry, for Kerry, and sad for MA (0+ / 0-)

        and the country quite possibly loosing the Senate seat
        I am in MA I worked for Warren I know that Brown has a ton of ardent support.

        I know my state. Few if any Dems are of the stature needed. Few have name recogniton. The Dem party here rested on laurels apparently did not develop a deep bench since we had Kerry and Kennedy in office for decades.
        now we pay for that lapse.

    •  I don't know about that. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Wee Mama

      He is chairman of the foreign relations committee and has done investigative work in Iran Contra and the BCCI affair. On paper at least that's a strong background for the job.

      It's not exactly fair to say Kerry got it only because Susan Rice was going to be a bigger fight than the administration wanted at this time. I'd say hes roughly comparable to Rice in his background for the job; she's served in the diplomatic corps, but that's offset with Kerry's political experience.  I suspect it was a close call between the two even before McCain blew his lid.

      As for Scott Brown -- it'll be interesting to see that race.  Massachusetts is a deep blue state, but a lot of that are people of a libertarian-small-l stripe.  They liked all the bit about bipartisanship in principle, but they don't like strengthening the extreme right's hand.

      I've lost my faith in nihilism

      by grumpynerd on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:52:23 PM PST

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      •  He's been on the Foreign Relations committee... (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        houyhnhnm, Yosef 52, jplanner

        ...for 28 years. There's no one more qualified than Kerry for the position, honestly. It's been reported that he was Hillary Clinton's first choice to replace her, not Rice or Donilon – who rounded out the three names on the shortlist since spring of this year.

        Those that think he was some afterthought for the position really haven't paid much attention to politics in past four years. Kerry was the expected Secretary of State nominee in 2008 before Obama made his (surprise) Hillary Clinton nomination. He was a rumored replacement as early as Feb 2011 after Clinton let be known she wouldn't stay on for a second term.

        Kerry hand-picked Obama in 2004 for the DNC Keynote at his nominating convention, and endorsed him in January 2008 before the Iowa caucuses. There's no one Obama owes more, and it's quite clear that this is a position that Kerry deeply covets, and wants to end his career on.

        It's not coincidental that the Beltway media started floating the Susan Rice "Obama's first choice" narrative in October. Nobody was talking about Rice before Benghazi, honestly – and once the conservative media established her as a shorthand for Libya, it was easy (and convenient) to exaggerate her standing as a Clinton replacement agnostic of Obama's actual preferences. Frankly, some on the left (in communities like these) have been willing accomplices in this Politico/tradmed spin game.

        'Fie upon the Congress' - Sen Bob Byrd

        by Maxwell on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 05:01:14 PM PST

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    •  he didn't ONLY as far as we know (0+ / 0-)

      but they sure influenced things and that and the possibility they did this...Jimagiing ohn McCain's slimy smirk when we're not looking..irks me too

      Kerry may even be a better choice (he's more well known interationally, higher stature) surely equal one to Rice. Tho some reported O leaned toward Rice. She was also a personal friend.

      I'm in MA so I am happy for Kerry and pissed off that we have to now fend of Brown again

  •  A good choice. And could there please be an end to (13+ / 0-)

    the constant whining about his senate seat. Oh, Scott Brown is a titan. We can't possibly win a special election in Mass. The president is such a fool for picking Kerry. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
    There are a lot of professional worry worts on DailyKos.

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:05:44 PM PST

    •  Yeah, well I live in MA and I'm one of those (9+ / 0-)

      worry warts.  Scott Brown is very popular in my state and there's no obvious candidate to run against him if he so chooses.  The President was not forced to nominate Kerry.  He could have played it safe and gone with someone else.  In my opinion, another stupid move among many, many others by this President who is neither feared nor respected.

      •  I've seen your history (6+ / 0-)

        and I call troll. "Neither feared nor respected"? Go back to  RedState.

        "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

        by TLS66 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:23:28 PM PST

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        •  Hey, I'm a Democrat and gave money to Warren. I (6+ / 0-)

          contributed to his campaign and voted for Mr. Obama.  But I call 'em as I see 'em.  And that's how I see 'em.  Republicans require bludgeoning if they're going to compromise.  LBJ style.  I haven't seen any of that yet.  Have you?  Why nominate Kerry and put a Democratic senate seat in play?  It's just plain stupid.

          •  this is what worries me (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            fenway49, aseth
            Why nominate Kerry and put a Democratic senate seat in play?

            The Democrats now own everything from the center right to the far left. the republicans and the filthy robberbarons occupy the extreme right fringe.

            by longtimelurker on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:17:31 PM PST

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          •  It's OK (0+ / 0-)

            They'll tell me to go to RedState too. And I'm on my local Democratic Committee. The President does no wrong. Democrats can never lose in Massachusetts, except when they do, but that doesn't count.

            It's the same crowd that would have told me to go to RedState the day Clinton signed DOMA if these sites existed then. Then we can hang out with half the Democratic volunteers in Massachusetts there.

            Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

            by fenway49 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 07:38:52 PM PST

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      •  Obama Not Respected? (7+ / 0-)

        Wow - that's pretty strong - and pretty wrong too. I came close to using the hide button but it's Christmas.

        Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

        by dpc on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:25:14 PM PST

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        •  Learn the context (0+ / 0-)

          The comment in question was that Republicans do not fear or respect Obama, so he should take a hard line against them in negotiations. You might not agree but there's plenty of evidence to support the statement.

          Hide button because someone thinks Obama could use a little FDR, Truman, JFK or LBJ-style hardball with the current crop of Republicans, who do not compromise in good faith?

          Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

          by fenway49 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 07:31:05 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Learn The Context? (0+ / 0-)

            English is my mother tongue, and I enjoy it so much I completed a degree in it 40 years ago. I assure you I have "learned the context". Maybe it would be helpful if you tried it.

            Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

            by dpc on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 11:05:19 PM PST

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            •  OK (0+ / 0-)

              I was not saying you don't speak English well. My point was that the other person (TLS66) was accusing the Massachusetts resident who dares have an opinion about the election in our state of being a troll. Because ethos commented that Obama is "neither feared nor respected."

              And you seemed to be taking that as proof that ethos does not respect Obama. His statment was that Congressional Republicans do not respect Obama. If people can't even say that without a hide button, this site has a problem.

              Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

              by fenway49 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:22:29 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Where's (0+ / 0-)

                the antecedent in his post? In any case, I posted long before the other(s) you cite.

                Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

                by dpc on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 09:14:31 AM PST

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                •  Your comment (1+ / 0-)
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                  to which I responded was a couple of minutes after TLS66's comment (6:23 Eastern vs. 6:25).

                  Looking back at it, you're right that the antecedent doesn't appear in the comment to which you were replying. I was saying Ethos has been clear, in many comments, that Republicans don't respect the President as much as they should. They seem to have an issue about any Democratic President (e.g. Clinton), but especially this one for awful reasons we can guess. I don't think Ethos is saying he/she doesn't respect the President. Just that the House GOP respects power alone and Obama should negotiate tougher.

                  Anyway, it's not worth continuing to argue over. We're all on the same side here even if we forget it at times. Merry Christmas!

                  Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                  by fenway49 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 10:43:15 AM PST

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                  •  Merry Christmas (1+ / 0-)
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                    fenway49

                    to you as well. I've been typing on this IPad so it probably took me a couple of minutes to get the comment posted. I didn't see the reply before I posted mine. I like the IPad but I'm slow on it.

                    Canada - where a pack of smokes is ten bucks and a heart transplant is free.

                    by dpc on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 01:57:59 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  Don't have an IPad myself (0+ / 0-)

                      My wife wants to get one sometime. Have a great holiday!

                      Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

                      by fenway49 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 03:29:41 PM PST

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      •  A new poll out tonight Patrick leads Brown by 5 (8+ / 0-)
        BOSTON, Dec. 20, 2012 PRNewswire -- With the expectation that U.S. Senator John Kerry will be appointed Secretary of State, attention now focuses on who will be his successor. A new survey by the Emerson College Polling Society (ECPS) finds that Governor Deval Patrick ahead of U.S. Senator Scott Brown (48% to 43%) and former Governor William Weld (50% to 32%) in head-to-head matchups to succeed Kerry. Brown leads Vicki Kennedy, the widow of U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy, (46% to 40%). There was a 2.9 percent margin of error in the ECPS survey.
        http://finance.yahoo.com/...

        "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

        by LaurenMonica on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:36:48 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Scott Brown ran a horrible campaign (5+ / 0-)

        against Elizabeth Warren.

        And who can forget that his campaign staff tried to mock Warren's Native American heritage with "tomahawk" chops?

        It showed poor judgement on his part to hire these idiots.

        And he didn't have any class to apologize for the obviously racist gesture.

        So if Scott Brown is still popular in your state after this kind of second rate campaign, then your state has problems.

        And since you think that our President is a Doofus, you will find a very receptive home at Redstate.

        It takes time to practice generosity, but being generous is the best use of our time. - Thich Nhat Hanh.

        by Frank In WA on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:41:41 PM PST

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        •  Our state has problems (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          Yes, he's still popular in our state. And he won't make the same mistakes the second time.

        •  so our state "has problems" why call names? (1+ / 0-)
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          fenway49

          it has no more problems than any state.
          what is the point of sayig that?

          I agree with the original MA poster about Browns good chances in MA. I worked on the Warren campaign..we are all exhausted.

          I know Brown enjoys ardent statewide support. He did not loose by a lot, for a Republican. He's also one of those people who's "charm"or whatever it is let him get away with stuff because he the acts like a "nice guy" there are people all over the planet like that not just in MA and folks are duped.

      •  You are right to worry. (2+ / 0-)
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        Worrying doesn't mean its not possible to hold the seat of course. However, many people not from here see the Presidential vote and assume that its all Democrat all the time here. Furthermore, this sets up just like the last time. No obvious candidates on the Democratic side who are clearly willing to drop out of their position to run in the special. Its going to take a huge amount of work twice (the special next summer and the regular election in 2014) to hold this. I hope we are up to it and every Democratic elected official (yes, I'm looking at you Mayor Menino) will be fully on board for two years of fights.

        I won't believe corporations are people until Texas executes one. Leo Gerard.

        by tgrshark13 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:17:09 PM PST

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      •  yup agree. It gets old pushing back doesn't it?! (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        fenway49, Kansachusetts

        Dems on Kos aren't listening to MA residents yet most of us agree.

    •  NMFH Ed Markey can beat Scotty /nt (3+ / 0-)
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      TLS66, LaurenMonica, RonV

      yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

      by annieli on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:24:26 PM PST

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    •  Not whining, not worry wort. Realist in MA (2+ / 0-)
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      fenway49, raboof

      Please don't mock the very real concerns of the people who are actually on the ground in MA and know what is going on.

      I think Kerry is excellent, perhaps Best choice and that he deserves this so much.

      I also know...worked on Warren's campaign...that Brown has deep, statewide, ardent support and name recognition and yes, the power of incumbacy as MA voters will see it. MA voters are very loyal to incumbants and hate to kick them out of office. That is why Brown lost by only eight points in a Presidential (leans Dem) year in a state where our former Rep Gov lost by 25 or so points. There is a sentiment, even, that it is karma that this second slot opened up...many people will be happy to give it to Brown.

      MA is not far left overall. it is center and center left with pockets of center right. People also like to vote for the person not the party and the less political people, every state has them, ignore the impact on Washington and national politics overly. They like Scott Brown

      Scott Brown, tho a lawyer, has huge appeal to MEN (he won male vote soundly...women are who elected Warren). He has a blue collar Boston accent tho he's a lawyer. People trust him and like him. Interpersonally he just seems nice no matter how shitty his campaign messaging was against Warren.

      I am telling you there are not many well known Dems who'd be plausable for Senate. SOmeone on Kos had a list a I did not know many of the names and that is a good litmus test because I am more poltical than most. True I don't pay that much attention to MA poltics but maybe many Dems don't since our politics is Dem dominated (ie nothing to worry about). We've had Kennedy and Kerry in the Senate for decades so the state Dem party maybe has been complacent in developing national level depth. We don't have it.

  •  Woulda preferred Susan Rice (2+ / 0-)
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    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa

    by Da Rock on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:06:50 PM PST

  •  More history repeating itself. (5+ / 0-)

    Dems learned nothing from pulling Janet Napolitano out of the senate. How did that go?  

    Oh wait, Dems told Obama we have good candidates in the wings to replace Kerry, ignoring the polling which shows
    that each Dem polls 6+ points behind Scott Brown who will have a Wall St sized war chest.

    Foot meet bullet.

  •  I hope that he can turn State around (4+ / 0-)

    I had occasion to correspond with various senior State people over the last few years, and was amazed by how ignorant and arrogant they seemed to be. I am not at all surprised by the failure to protect the Ambassador in Libya. The place seemed to me to be very much on the wrong track, with incompetent people in leadership levels.  

    John Kerry was remarkable as a young man. I hope that he can revert to that form and clean State up. We need people who are well-informed and competent to represent us.  

  •  Now that the choice has been made (12+ / 0-)

    I hope there is a focus on who would make a good progressive senator from MA.

    Doom and gloom about Brown running isnt going to help that much.

    •  It's what certain people on DK do... (2+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, JBraden

      you know the crowd.

      "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

      by TLS66 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:28:50 PM PST

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    •  IT IS NOT largely doom and gloom from us in MA (0+ / 0-)

      it is us wanting for those out of state to GET that it is
      going to be at least an uphill battle because so many
      are saying

      including REid and Obama
      that they are not worried

      It is in fact something to be concerned about. Brown has a war chest a organization already formed legions of ardent supporters the power of the incumbancy (a big deal in MA) and statewide name recogniton
      ALMOST ALL of the possible Dem candidates are missing most of these things

      and it is going to be a special election. Electorate is tired. Voter turnout will heavily favor Republican candidates
      actually it is perfect setup for a Republian

      SO please hear our concern and don't mock it. It's real. And we will need help. If Dems nationwide think it's easier than it is they will help less. Like you perhaps

      •  fair points (0+ / 0-)

        Again, I wasnt trying to downplay concern.

        Quite the opposite. I was trying to say now that the choice of Kerry has been made, I hope there is a big effort to help us find a good candidate and keep this seat. Yes, it will be difficult. Yes, Brown has strong favorables and the electorate will more favorable.

        But still, he lost a couple months ago by 8 points, and there should be someone Dems can rally around as a nominee.

        I dont think Obama and Reid  are unconcerned. Quite the opposite. Looks Barack, Michelle, Bill and maybe even Hillary are going to make a big effort here, along with the national party organizations.  

        •  they each said at one point they are not concerned (0+ / 0-)

          verbatim
          however you may be right..they need to feign lack of concern and really are.

          You called us from MA, IIRC as posting gloom and doom. YOu need to take our comments into context (if that is you).  We are pushing back aganist posts by less informed (by MA politics) people there is a meme that "it will be easy to elect a Dem to Kerry' s seat it's a Blue State'. I keep seeing posts SCOFF at any concerns and say "lol what a joke any Dem can beat Brown it's MA after all". These discussions also happened on other threads over past month or so.

          So when many give gloom and doom or seem to it is because we need to push back harder against that tide, very often. THe tide of complacency that elected Brown in the first place. Also denial and lack of info.

          Reminder that a REp loosing by only eight pts is close for MA. Romney lost by 25 ish pts which is usual marging in Presidential election. AND it was the highest turnout in history (73%) which favors Dem. While the next election willl likely have much less turnout and be more Rep leaning.
          etc etc

        •  if it was you who said "gloom and doom" (0+ / 0-)

          was how we were being, I am sure you can see why it would seem you are in fact downplaying concerns (as well as mocking how we feel not taking it seriously)

  •  Fantastic! Kerry has served this county and (2+ / 0-)
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    houyhnhnm, JBraden

    Obama very well.  I look forward to say Secretary Kerry.  Go on and brush off them fine pieces Teresa!  It's not FLOTUS, but close enough! :D

  •  Laura, I'll refrain from a comment on your (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    OLinda

    suggested topic, it speaks for itself.  

    If reality is not a computer simulation, then tell me why "time is an illusion".

    http://news.yahoo.com/...

    Eric Pfeiffer, Yahoo! News | The Sideshow – Thu, Dec 13, 2012

    Whoa: Physicists testing to see if universe is a computer simulation

    Will you take the red pill or the blue pill?

    (My insert from Hamlet: “Horatio: O day and night, but this is wondrous strange!
    Hamlet :And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” Hamlet Act 1, scene 5, 159–167)

    Some physicists and university researchers say it's possible to test the theory that our entire universe exists inside a computer simulation, like in the 1999 film "The Matrix."

    In 2003, University of Oxford philosophy professor Nick Bostrom published a paper, "The Simulation Argument," which argued that, "we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation." Now, a team at Cornell University says it has come up with a viable method for testing whether we're all just a series of numbers in some ancient civilization's computer game.

  •  I like it (5+ / 0-)

    Nice capstone to a distinguished career.

    Living is easy with eyes closed...

    by skybluewater on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:27:29 PM PST

  •  LaPierre and the NRA board 'good gun owners' (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    annieli



    They can continue to change their name, but the World will always know them for who they really are and what they really do!!

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:28:42 PM PST

    •  new meaning for Academia (1+ / 0-)
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      Academi—previously known as Xe Services LLC, Blackwater USA and Blackwater Worldwide

      yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

      by annieli on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:14:35 PM PST

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  •  Correction: John McCain nominates Scott Brown (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    fenway49, cjo30080

    as Senator of Massachusetts.

  •  Solstice Cage Match: Santa vs. Jesus! (0+ / 0-)

    Two bearded men enter; only one will emerge in the final War FOR Christmas!

    Happy night, all.

    Pardon our dust. Sig line under renovation.

    by Crashing Vor on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:35:25 PM PST

  •  I would have liked him to pick Al Gore (4+ / 0-)

    But Kerry is a bad ass, he'll do very well. And maybe it will build Kerry's rep back up to make another run in 2016? I'd vote for him again.

    "Marco Rubio es un pañuelo Rosa!" - Montgomery Burns

    by Fordmandalay on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:37:12 PM PST

  •  This special election next summer (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    TLS66, JBraden, Yosef 52

    is going to be the only game in town. The entire nation will be following it closely and I suspect once we have all gotten through the winter and things quiet down, we'll all be in the front row, rooting the democratic candidate on in MA.

    Obama's campaign showed us it can be done if we don't let up on the gas.

    It's going to be fun. The R candidate, whoever it may be, won't know what hit her/him by the time it's over.

    •  don't live in MA, do you? (0+ / 0-)

      if you do you are an optimist for sure

      Brown is the favorite over all the Dems..he has so many advantages.

      I hope it turns out as you say but so many think it'll be easier (those out of state) I wonder if they will even show up to help us in MA fight for a senate seat for a third time in three years. MA electorate is tired. MA Dem voluteers are too

  •  The Obamas (all of them) will be leaving (0+ / 0-)

    for Hawaii this evening.

    http://www.politico.com/...

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)

    by MTmofo on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:50:29 PM PST

  •  Oh, well. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Bob B

    Another special election.

    And if Markey gets it (I'm in his district) I suppose yet another  ...

    Not that I'm worried or anything (unless by some perverse fluke Coakley is the candidate), but I'm sick of Brown ads and sick of that damn truck.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:09:07 PM PST

  •  A foolish decision. Why risk giving this seat to a (5+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dumbo, fenway49, cjo30080, aseth, jplanner

    Republican?

  •  Hagel would have been better. (0+ / 0-)

    It would have saved us a senate seat, which we'll probably now just hand over with a bow to Republicans, and it would have put somebody who hates the neocons (and boy, do they hate him) in the DOD for the first time.  Even though Hagel was a Republican.  

  •  should have been Rice (0+ / 0-)

    They should have fought the fight.

  •  I think Susan Rice (0+ / 0-)

    should run for Kerry's Senate seat. She certainly has name recognition, thanks to John McCrotchety, and the level of irony would be on par with Elizabeth Warren's Senate win after losing a plum administrative post she was eminently qualified for.

    "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

    by Orinoco on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 04:45:12 PM PST

  •  It's nice to know McCain approves of this n/t (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cjo30080

    Hides welcomed.

    •  I think McCain approves because (0+ / 0-)

      Kerry's his bud.  They're fellow vets and they've worked together in the Senate for 26 years.  They've had their off and on's, but have basically gotten along and been cordial.  I've never worked at the same job with anyone for 26 years, but if I had, and if I had basically gotten along with that person, it would be pretty hard to turn my back on all of that history and oppose them when they tried to land a new job.

      And Kerry's a good choice aside from that - tremendous amount of foreign policy experience.

      Not to be naive - I'm sure the open MA seat doesn't hurt either.

      •  all that aside, McCain pushed Rice out (0+ / 0-)

        so all has gone according to his plan and his plan was not so Kerry would get it.

        Remember McCain's slander that Rice on the Sunday shows was covering up as bad as Watergate!? Watergate!

        McCain wants Brown back. He wants the Senate seat. It's happy secondary gain I think only for Kerry to get the nomination.

    •  Yes, sadly this is good news for John McCain (0+ / 0-)

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