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Mr. La Pierre has proposed putting an armed guard/policeman in every school rather than addressing availability of (semi) automatic weapons.

Let's make common cause with Mr. La Pierre.

There are 90,000 school in the US. So we will need about 95,000 guards(given some schools are very large or people get sick etc).

Each of these fine people will need to be paid.  Let's guess that each of them will be paid about $60,000 per year. That means that we are looking at $5-6billion per year to implement his idea.

How to pay for this?

I read that approximately 2 billion rounds of ammunition are sold in the US each year.

$6b/2B=$3/round of ammunition.

We could levy a user fee on every round of ammunition sold in the US to pay for Mr. La Pierre's idea.

Thus, this would be the NRA fee.

Or we could ban (semi) automatic weapons and restore some sanity to the situation.

Either of these solutions would dramatically reduce the carnage over time.

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  •  Tip Jar (6+ / 0-)

    I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

    by Dave from Oregon on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 08:31:46 AM PST

  •  There are some problems with that (5+ / 0-)

    Outside of the cost.. which you're right, is about $6B (and you're not even including health care, pensions, etc.) you have to realize having an armed guard on the premise will raise the liability insurance that many schools carry.

    http://www.hpso.com/...

    Here's the even worse problem.. schools, under all policies, are not always covered for "Intentional Acts"

    http://www.schoollawsection.org/...

    Which makes it worse.. having someone with a gun intentionally on the campus may skyrocket insurance costs.... and it would make you liable for any damages with a quick out for the insurance policy.  Your armed guard get an itchy finger and shoot someone?  Maybe that person would have committed a horrible crime, but he hadn't yet.. and now you've opened yourself up to a lawsuit you may or may not win, but you'll have to defend and pay for on your own.

    La Pierre is living in a fantasy land shaped by the idea that a gun settles things.   A gun doesn't, the law does.   We are a land of Lex Rex - the Law is King.  We are not a land of gunsmoke, where a man with a gun is king.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 08:46:00 AM PST

    •  Of course there are problems (2+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean, a2nite

      but it would have several advantages.
      1) Gun owners would have a direct stake in this problem.
      2) Schools would not have to further reduce the amount of educators.
      3) It calls bullshit on the idiocy of the NRS's idea.
      4) It would dramatically and quickly reduce the amount of ammunition out there.

      I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

      by Dave from Oregon on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 08:56:26 AM PST

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      •  Oh no, I don't mean the ammo part (0+ / 0-)

        Your idea was a good one.. I was referring solely to the concept of armed guards at every school.   Which doesn't really give gun holders a stake in it.. because the NRA pictures "citizen defenders" people who just show up and join the police force and grab a gun.

        I'm sorry, I should have clarified some.

        Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

        by Chris Reeves on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 09:01:09 AM PST

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  •  I wish Daily Kos had a footnote app (5+ / 0-)

    so we could be more like academia and the courts.

    Mine would read

    fn1 or we could ban semi automatics, large magazines and annually tax and register all weapons and license their users.  Under no circumstances should we militarize schools.

    "To recognize error, to cut losses, to alter course, is the most repugnant option in government." Historian Barbara Tuchman

    by Publius2008 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 08:52:49 AM PST

  •  Recced as an interesting "thought experiment". (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave from Oregon, Calamity Jean

    It would be an interesting strategic proposal to NRA/Republican/Tea Party types, who would then have to comprehend that they're taxing, providing stimulus, etc.  LOL.

    Spray tons of carcinogens into the ocean to hide petroleum spewed from a hastily-drilled hole from a greedy corporation, but don't smoke pot. -xxdr zombiexx

    by DontTaseMeBro on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 09:13:39 AM PST

  •  If considered.. these MUST be Regular Police (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    with experience, training, interpersonal skill and temperament, a love of teenage attitudes and behaviors and their tricks, controlled by senior officers, policy and within the democratically elected framework of city, state and federal governance.

    When we add up all the costs for... lets say.. 100,000 new officers to replace and supplement the experienced officers we will need in schools, salaries, pensions and retirement, plus training, plus liability for schools, I think you can safely double the cost to around 12-16 billlion.

    And, what will we do in the larger high schools and junior colleges with multiple buildings on campus and sometimes hundreds of access points? I think its prudent to contemplate 10 -15 officers in some of these places. And should we do the same with malls, big box parking lots, campgrounds and all state and city buildings, day care centers and halfway houses?

    If we seriously contemplate the NRA proposal, it will cost us dearly in money and the open and free society we have valued to this point. But I guess that's what they have created with their lobbying. Time to respond in some effective way.

    I agree. The NRA should fund it, and gun and ammo sales should be the income stream for security.

    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

    by OregonOak on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 09:15:16 AM PST

    •  I agree completely (1+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean

      these are to be police officers or sheriff's deputies. I do not want to see bunch of George Zimmerman wannabes anywhere near a school.

      I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

      by Dave from Oregon on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 11:15:30 AM PST

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  •  Guns in schools is a classic Disaster Capitalism (2+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean, a2nite

    move.

    It took me a while to get it.  Armed guards plus teachers too expensive.  Get rid of the teachers.  Test scores go down close the schools.

    Fire fighters mostly sit around the fire house and go on many false alarms.  They should be fighting crime in their spare time.

    This leaves room for franchise fire houses.  They will hire the unemployed teachers for part-time, no benefit firefighting jobs.

    Problem solved.

  •  Insurance (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave from Oregon, Calamity Jean

    Why shouldn't gun owners be required to carry insurance, just like auto owners.  The policy needs to cover all liability for use of the insured weapon, including letting it get stolen or used by some kid.  Let the insurance company figure out who's a good risk.  And let the gun owners pay for the risks they cause,including an add-on for uninsured guns.  If they're so sure guns enhance safety, there should be no problem ponying up for insurance.  

    I'm still mad about Nixon.

    by J Orygun on Sun Dec 23, 2012 at 10:00:50 AM PST

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