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I awoke this morning to see that Michael Moore had a recommended diary on the gun discussion.  I was excited to think that someone I have respected for years was going to help bring some leadership to this critical struggle that lies ahead of us to enact appropriate gun legislation.  

Unfortunately I found a missive from Michael that I believe would be cheered by Wayne LaPierre and all of the pro-gun forces that are waiting for the left to lose their focus and attention to the looming gun regulation battle.  

Michael made a number of points that I feel must be addressed as they are incredibly dangerous to the need for unity in the difficult task ahead:

1.     The NRA’s world is ending – their power to set gun policy is over.

I never believed I would ever hear such a naive statement from the likes of Michael Moore.  The NRA is weakened to be sure and the time for applying pressure is now.  But there is nothing the NRA would like more than for leaders of the left to declare them dead and finished.  This is all far from over and I would wager the NRA is still the favorite to survive and prevail in the coming days as national attention turns away from the latest massacre.

2.    Gun regulation won’t end slayings and won’t address the core problem.

The NRA could not have said it better.  NOTHING will end slayings and the contributing problems are many and complex.  But the core contributor to gun slayings is guns -- too many, too readily available, too powerful.  This is a rathole that has only one proximate effect and that is to slow down and weaken the focus required to effect meaningful legal change that will significantly contribute to lessening the likelihood and lethality of these events.  

3.    Connecticut had one of the strongest gun laws in the country.

This is like saying "He's one of the shortest starting centers in the NBA."  The shortest starting center in the NBA is still pretty damn tall and the strongest gun laws in this country are still woefully inadequate.  The fact that Connecticut's assault weapons ban did not cover this obviously military-style rifle is only an indication that we have to work harder to get stronger laws.  It should not be put forth as evidence that gun laws won't have any effect.  To say so is only to do the NRA's work once again.

4.    The Sandy Hook killer was stopped by guns (guns sometimes work).  

There are many problems with this so-called "dirty little fact".  The first problem being that it isn't -- a fact, that is.  Nobody knows why the Sandy Hill shooter stopped shooting.  There are no eye witnesses to these events and certainly no one who knows his thought processes at this time.  

There are any number of reasons why he might have stopped.  We certainly know that he did not stop because he feared a bullet.  In fact, other mass shootings have appeared to have happened because the shooter was seeking men with guns -- cowards who could not end it themselves and so were seeking "suicide by cop".

To suggest that sometimes policemen with guns can be effective in stopping civilians with military-style weapons is the worst kind of confusing distraction -- it has no effect except to serve the interests of the pro-gun forces who cheer its repetition.  

5.    We should be focused on broader social problems like poverty, racisim and narcissism.  

While I support social advances on these fronts, I must say to Michael, No, I decline your request when you "respectfully ask that we STOP and take a look at" these other issues.  We should not stop -- even if we consider these other important issues.

This is, I believe, a site about politics.  Politics is the art of the possible and about tactics as much as anything.  What we need now is focus and determination to see through the needed changes in the obscene gun laws in this country.  

So I ask my brother Michael not to ask us to stop until we have accomplished that objective.  Michael, you can help to lead that effort (even as we discuss other important aspects of our violence problems) but you can also help dilute it if you are not careful.  

And Merry Christmas, Michael!

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  •  I think that this one (3+ / 0-)
    1.     The NRA’s world is ending – their power to set gun policy is over.
    Is very possible. Americans are now realizing just how small the NRA really is. It has been punching way above its weight for years and now people are finally examining that fact.

    I am with you on the bigger point though - that the problem is guns.

    •  Whil this may prove to be true, (0+ / 0-)

      it's certainly not proven. Yet. And no, guns alone are not the problem. Even easy access to guns is not, per se, the problem. But pretty much like you don't give your three-year-old access to your hunting rifles (let alone your military semi-automatic), until we have addressed all the other issues (including shutting Faux News down as a right-wing verging-on-hate-speech propaganda machine that feeds paranoiac thought and often specifically names the targets it then aims that paranoia at....) it makes a ton of sense to keep the guns locked up.

      Thank you :-)

  •  I agree, it did read a tad off (2+ / 0-)
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    MKSinSA, mightymouse

    everyone has an off day.

  •  about why the shooter stopped shooting (5+ / 0-)


    that information hasn't been released, however, we do have witnesses, but their statements haven't been released.  In addition, yesterday's Hartford Courant published a theory based on limited statements by the six surviving children from Victoria Soto's classroom, who spontaneously told the school neighbor they sheltered with that the 'man dropped something and stopped shooting.'  They are investigating whether the Bushmaster may have jammed - a common problem with large capacity magazines.  The weapons are being studied and tested with forensic teams from the FBI to determine just that.  So you are entirely right that Moore does not know that "guns stopped the shooter" - but we also don't know what the full evidence is, either.  My money is on the large possibility that after shooting a hundred rounds, his rifle jammed and he had to ditch the magazine.  By the time he reloaded, the six children had fled.  But that is theory.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 09:10:15 AM PST

  •  Good point. (4+ / 0-)
    The fact that Connecticut's assault weapons ban did not cover this obviously military-style rifle is only an indication that we have to work harder to get stronger laws.  It should not be put forth as evidence that gun laws won't have any effect.  To say so is only to do the NRA's work once again.
  •  I Agree (1+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse

    1. I don't think the NRA is falling apart. I think it's leadership is confused as to how to continue protecting and promoting the interests of gun manufacturers and gun sellers without seeming unduly callous. If we of the left are serious about this issue we cannot afford to let up the pressure for even a minute of make the fatal assumption that the NRA is finished.

    2. We should keep in mind that guns are a symptom and not a root cause of violence and that nothing we can do will ever entirely eliminate gun violence or violence by other means. What we can accomplish, though, is to make mass killing more difficult.

    3. While it is true that Mrs. Lanza's weapons were legal and that she complied with Connecticut's strict gun laws, she nevertheless permitted her mentally disturbed son to gain access to them. Gun owners must be required to keep their weapons secure and if the guns fall into the wrong hands and are used to commit a crime or cause harm, the gun owners should be held civilly and criminally liable.

    4. Does Michael Moore actually think we will ever eliminate poverty, racism, and narcissism? Worth goals but they are just as unobtainable as a violence-free society. The best we can do is work to decrease them and ameliorate their effect.

  •  Michael Moore bemoaning narcissism. (0+ / 0-)

    Oh my......

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 01:39:19 PM PST

  •  Connecticut is 49th in gun deaths per 100,000. (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.statemaster.com/...

    So they must be doing something right, despite this awful exception.

    Moore's a dolt if he can't handle basic logic.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Mon Dec 24, 2012 at 01:43:15 PM PST

  •  Michael Moore is right - the root cause is racism (0+ / 0-)

    Racism is also the reason why we "can't" have a significant social safety net or national health system.

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