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Okay, hear me out on this.  Being a bit of a technical guy, I always look at trying to resolve problems via technology, and this whole thing with mass shootings has had me thinking of ways to use technology to try and curb these tragic events.  Travel below the orange croissant if you wish.

We have Wi Fi in almost every school, government building, and mall in America.  This means we have all sorts of forms of wireless communications.  Now stay with me here.

So, let's say we create an electronic locking device in guns, that is activated by wireless connections.  So, whenever you're in a mall, school, etc. the gun's trigger is locked.  But, when you're outside of the "range" of these signals, the trigger is no longer locked?  Now, if we were to impose this sort of thing, we would get the NRA saying it would cost $ to do this.  And our argument could be, that arming every teacher and putting armed guards in every school would cost money too.

I realize this is fairly high level, and many can shoot holes in the idea, but we need to look at ways to stop these sorts of tragedies from happening.  

Thoughts?

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  •  There are 283 million firearms in the US (8+ / 0-)

    already.

    What's your plan for those?

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 08:17:43 AM PST

    •  Retrofit? (1+ / 0-)
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      bhut jolokia

      I realize that it's not a cure all, but it's a start.  All registered guns could be retrofitted?  Just think of all the jobs this could help create.

    •  Isn't that like saying (4+ / 0-)

      we shouldn't pursue cancer treatments because it doesn't cure all cancers?

      I am not sure that is the best analogy, but the idea that 'there are already some many guns out there, so what is the use in doing anything' has always seemed bogus to me. You have to start somewhere.

      Guns are inherently unsafe. I haven't been able to find it again, but Glenn Beck's bodyguard once said that he doesn't own a gun because they are an unsafe product. I think there is a technological solution to making guns safer. I do not know enough about guns to answer that question.

      Maybe something like requiring a ring or glove that is required to shot a gun? If you don't have both, the gun doesn't fire? I am open to ideas, and I for one welcome micwazoo's suggestion.

      For the short term, I propose FIVE round clips and no grandfather clause. The grandfather clause is why the last assault weapon ban failed. Don't ban descriptions of guns, because you can make a gun that is an gram lighter than the banned one just as powerful. Or a barrel a millimeter shorter or longer they does as much damage as the banned gun.

      Ban the clips. Five shots, no grandfather clause.

      It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America. - Molly Ivins

      by se portland on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 08:48:08 AM PST

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      •  And you're going to collect these...how? (7+ / 0-)

        They're not registered. There's no record that I own anything like that.

        Though I'd love to point out that if you ban things that hold more than 5 rounds, you're also banning revolvers...

        Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

        by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 08:53:29 AM PST

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        •  I never said we are going to collect them (2+ / 0-)
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          bhut jolokia, Creosote

          Whether I like it or not, the Supreme Court ruled that gun ownership for protection is a Constitutional right. You can keep your guns KVoimakas.

          I said 'clips'. I know there are six shooters. I know there are rifles that can hold more that five rounds without a clip. All I am saying is that if you ban 60 round clips, lives will be saved. It is not going to cure all cancers, but if it saves one child, we have made a start.

          It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America. - Molly Ivins

          by se portland on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:04:58 AM PST

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          •  Collect the magazines. (4+ / 0-)

            How are you going to enforce a ban on 60 round magazines?

            Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

            by KVoimakas on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:22:32 AM PST

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            •  Sorry. I realized what you where (1+ / 0-)
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              bhut jolokia

              saying even before you replied.

              You can't collect all the magazines. But you can outlaw the sale, transfer and use of them.  How many sawed off shotguns do you see lately, and that is technologically easy?

              Remember, that most of the mass shootings of late have been with legally bought guns. If even only some of the responsible gun owners comply with the law, the stock pile of these magazines declines. They are mechanical devices and fail over time.

              No one has still answered my concern that because we can't stop all mass shooting we should not even try to stop any.

              We can lockup all mentally impaired people we think MIGHT start shooting people, but I think that raises other Constitutional concerns, no?

              Really, what is this resistance to simple doable bans on high capacity magazines? Why are you going out of your way to defend them?  

              It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America. - Molly Ivins

              by se portland on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:42:30 AM PST

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            •  One way (3+ / 0-)

              would be to buy back and then move their possession into the same category as owning a machine gun. Without the proper license that is something like 10 years to possess, 10 years to fire, 10 years to buy, 10 years to sell. You don't see them used in crimes anymore.

              That said, I will not support a 5 round limit. There are revolvers out there with up to 8 rounds. There are many guns out there that sold with 10 round magazines. It is the most remembered number from the expired '94 AWB. Going from 10 rounds down to 8 rounds would effect many times as many magazines.

              I can support a 10 round limit. I own 2 firearms that came with 10 round magazines but can support larger magazines. I have declined to buy larger magazines for them. I have always felt that part of the '94 AWB was reasonable.  I know I will catch hell from some of the RKBA group for my position. I catch hell from the other side because of my dim view of attempts to ban so called assault weapons (whose definition.)

              A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

              by notrouble on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:46:08 AM PST

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            •  Issue a recall. Make it manditory. (1+ / 0-)
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              se portland
              How are you going to enforce a ban on 60 round magazines?
        •  Issue a recall. Make it manditory. (1+ / 0-)
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          se portland
          And you're going to collect these...how?
  •  Why not just a chip in the head?...sheesh! (10+ / 0-)

    When there were like two RKBA gun diaries a week, people complained that was too much, now it's like five times an hour, and seems to be getting sillier by the minute.

    "The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." -Zappa My Site

    by meagert on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 08:30:41 AM PST

    •  I agree. We should just forget about it (0+ / 0-)

      until the next school shooting.

      People are thinking things through. Their ideas evolve. If you are tied of the dialogue, ignore the diary. Don't shoot the messenger, so to speak. :)

      It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America. - Molly Ivins

      by se portland on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 08:54:30 AM PST

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      •  Look, (13+ / 0-)

        Hardly any of the gun control suggestions have any basis in reality. The reality is, there is a Second Amendment. Restrictions on that amendment are already in place, including murder, negligence, felon and mental health restrictions. There are flaws in the implementation of the laws that exist, i.e. NICS compliance. Study the current laws, fix them.
        Meanwhile, the most immediate remedy to violence still comes down to social fixes; single payer health care, more funding for mental health, poverty relief, and an  end to the drug war. These occur the second the laws are passed, not some time in the future when grandfathering is surpassed by time.
         Should you feel the Second Amendment not exist, in a Democracy, you are free to work for it's demise. I'll just wait to see your results.
         I want more Democrats elected, in order to implement the social fixes we need in this Country. It ain't gonna happen with more Repubs in office.

        "The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." -Zappa My Site

        by meagert on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:10:14 AM PST

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  •  You get a tip from me (3+ / 0-)

    Really not sure it's gonna work, or at least damn hard to design one that can't be removed...but what the hell, let's think outside the box.

    As for all the folks talking about all the old guns already on the street, don't worry about it...that's what we would call a universal argument against all gun control....your proposal isn't any more or less problematic in that regard.

    Short version, there is basically no new proposal on gun control that can eliminate all the old guns.  There is only one way to stop that, ban the use of older weapons (not all, just the ones being banned), while simultaneously offering to buy them back at market prices.

    As for your idea, perhaps, but the devil would be in the details.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:01:34 AM PST

    •  On the technical side (3+ / 0-)

      I think your proposal has one main problem...it's too easy stop radio waves from reaching the sensor in the gun, not tin foil easy! But various meshes or,other materials could do the job.

      More effective would be a gun that could not fired unless it REVIEVED the proper signal and also have the ability to recieve a 2nd canceling signal (at schools, etc)...but that would require all guns to be within signal range to fire. Even cell phone signals ain't that good....and hunters regularly move out of that range.

      And none of this changes the problem that frankly guns are not electronic devices, an electronic solution, therefor, would require converting guns into electronic devices...not an easy move.

      As I said, tipped for outside the box thinking, but I think in this case your idea might be so effective.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:34:29 AM PST

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  •  Pretty good idea (1+ / 0-)
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    se portland

    Micwazoo's plan of an electronic wi-fi lock on guns is a pretty good idea.

    But, it misses two difficulties.  1) As some have already pointed out, there are already in existance many guns without such locking mechanisms, so our schools would continue to be vulnerable to people in possession of guns.

    And 2) the group-think of the gun enthusiasts that any effort to regulate guns in any way is a sign of "the government is gonna take away your guns".  Because this idea involves the regulation of guns, it will therefore be immediately rejected by gun enthusiasts and the gun industry.  Indeed, the gun industry uses "the goverment is gonna take away your guns" as a de facto advertising slogan, and because every day is a good day for advertising, we can expect the reaction of the gun industry to be "come in and buy your guns today before the government starts putting chips in them".

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 09:20:38 AM PST

  •  My technical side (2+ / 0-)
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    se portland, PavePusher

    People have already mentioned the inventory problem.

    Figuring out a way to design this so that the firearm is still reliable but the measure is hard to bypass: challenging at least. To name only one problem: what happens when you take the battery out of the firearm? If it fails to a state of being unable to fire, then the weapon becomes as reliable as the flashlight in the kitchen drawer.

  •  Pehaps if we called it "Firearms Proliferation" (2+ / 0-)
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    micwazoo, se portland

    instead of "Gun Control" we could get people to focus on the problem, rather than a solution. It would also make it clear how idiotic suggesting more firearms as a solution to too many firearms really is. It would also allow people to ask the obvious; How can the same people who believe that we should do everything in our power to stop the spread of Weapons of Mass Destruction advocate that we do absolutely nothing to stop the spread of Weapons of Mass Murder?

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Fri Dec 28, 2012 at 11:54:53 AM PST

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