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OK, I kind of enjoy it when my enemies (Catholics trying to impose their sexual morality on everybody else ) kick another of my enemies--and incidentally their own allies (rabid anti-abortionists trying  to put their religion into secular law) in the head.

  Catholic school fires teacher for being an unmarried mother

A former first-grade teacher at Kettering’s Ascension Catholic School is suing the school, Ascension Church and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Cincinnati in federal court, saying officials discriminated against her a year ago when they fired the unmarried woman after she told the principal about her pregnancy.

Kathleen Quinlan of Kettering, who has since delivered twin girls, said in the Dec. 14 lawsuit that her firing for moral reasons was discriminatory because male employees who engage in premarital sex don’t face the same consequences “insomuch as they do not show outward signs of engaging in sexual intercourse (i.e., pregnancy).”

OK, over the curlicue, can anyone think of a way a woman can avoid showing outward signs of engaging in sexual intercourse (ie., pregnancy)?

That's right. If Ms. Quinlan had had an abortion instead of carrying her pregnancy to term, she would still have had her job teaching at a Catholic school, alongside male colleagues who get up to who knows what in the privacy of their homes but never "showed". So what lesson has been taught by her firing?

And yet the Catholic bishops don't understand why nobody got excited about the Catholic Church's HHS Mandate persecution. And yes, since you ask, having an insurance company offer free contraceptives to employees as part of your health insurance plan when you're a Catholic business owner is EXACTLY like being torn apart by lions for refusing to burn incense to an emperor. Why doesn't anyone pity the blatant hypocrites whining about their impending martyrdom?

And speaking of man dates, read all the way to the end of the article.

The Cincinnati archdiocese is facing a pending federal lawsuit similar to Quinlan’s, filed by former parochial teacher Christa Dias of Clermont County. The 2011 lawsuit claims the single woman was fired after she became pregnant through artificial insemination.

Dias was fired by the Rev. James Kiffmeyer, who was suspended from 2002-2006 on allegations of sexual misconduct against two male students in separate incidents while he was a teacher at Middletown’s Fenwick High School. The complainants were 18 when the incidents occurred, and Kiffmeyer was reinstated. The archdiocese reached a financial settlement with one of the accusers.

No discrimination there. Clearly it's much worse to have a sexual relationship with a non-student. . . . Wait, what?

I'm sure this decision to fire Ms. Quinlan might be seen as a trifle counter-productive by evangelical anti-abortionists who were shocked, SHOCKED when Obama observed about his daughters ". . . if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby." The Catholic Church disagrees with Obama that a baby is punishment. Sinners must be punished with unemployment and resulting loss of medical insurance. So evangelical anti-abortionists, are you on the same page as the Catholic Church on this one? Are they helping you convince young women to carry that unplanned pregnancy to term? Well at least you can all agree to gamble all your credibilitry on trying to hold back same sex marriage.  

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  •  Tip Jar (15+ / 0-)

    'Corporations are people, my friend . . .' Mitt Romney 'I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed.' Mitt Romney

    by Cowalker on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:04:10 PM PST

  •  Not accusing you of doing it (7+ / 0-)

    But a lot of the comments thread on these articles wander into anti-Catholicism very quickly. The Catholic Church has a lot of massive problems but it is always worth remembering that a majority of Catholics voted for Obama twice and don't support the hate and bigotry of many in the Church hierarchy.

    So kudos to you for drawing that distinction by talking about the bishops and sub sets of Catholics, not just Catholics in general.

    •  I was raised Catholic in the 50's and 60's (6+ / 0-)

      About half of my relatives still call themselves "Catholic" and they would never agree that firing Ms. Quinlan was the right thing to do.

      And yet. . . . they contribute money to the institution that does this, and that also does its utmost to force "Catholic" morality into secular law. How is this not supporting  the hate and bigotry of many in the Church hierarchy?

      As for the majority of Catholics voting for Obama twice--so did the majority of American voters in general. From observing my relatives who still identify as Catholics, their Catholicism did not influence their voting choices either for or against Obama. I do not think there is much of a "Catholic" vote anymore in America. The melting pot has done its work, much to the bishops' dismay.

      'Corporations are people, my friend . . .' Mitt Romney 'I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed.' Mitt Romney

      by Cowalker on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 06:06:53 PM PST

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    •  Thanks for saying it (3+ / 0-)
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      Ahianne, TheKF1, Bronx59

      We ARE Catholics, and very progressive...as are most of our Catholic friends. We are extremely concerned about the political action of many bishops, that misrepresent and ultimately hurt the Catholic community. But please look at people, not institutions.

    •  As a former Catholic (0+ / 0-)

      I am proudly anti-Catholic.  I think its theology is horrid and its hieararchy beneath contempt.

      I appreciate the fact that many of its faithful draw comfort from it, and applaud the fact that they are, by and large, better and more enlightened people than those to whom they pay tithes.

  •  Very deep comments here (10+ / 0-)

    "If she had had an abortion..."

    I really don't think that the Bishops are serious about abortion. In the last month, several GOP governors have opted out of Obamacare in a way that makes abortion the only option for low income women (eliminating Medicaid for those with incomes ~10,000 a year.) They condone situations like those you describe...and they ignore the "right to life" of six year olds who die from automatic weapons.

    Abortion is a political weapon, not a moral issue. Governments don't do abortion, people do. If we had universal health care and free birth control (like Canada) we'd have their extremely low abortion rates.

    "By their fruits you shall know them."

    I don't believe in abortion, either. I believe in birth control and universal health care...and the fruits of my beliefs are proven to be more effective.

    •  I don't know if the bishops are serious (10+ / 0-)

      about abortion, but I sure can't take them seriously when a Catholic school pulls a stunt like this.

      One minute they're all abortion is the gravest sin of our time and the next it's you're fired, pregnant woman, for being pregnant, and by the way, we don't care enough about that baby you didn't abort to pay for its health care.

      Um, OK. Now we know that getting caught is the gravest sin of our time.

      'Corporations are people, my friend . . .' Mitt Romney 'I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed.' Mitt Romney

      by Cowalker on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 06:16:04 PM PST

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      •  I start thinking that the guys in the red dresses (4+ / 0-)

        have compassion for unborn children when they start showing compassion for living children that their minions have abused.

      •  From this still practising Catholic (7+ / 0-)

        barely, it is really about women having sex out of marriage, thus exercising control over themselves and making their own choices  that many in the hierarchy cannot tolerate. Upsets the whole theology about marriage and love and family life. Sex is only "justified" with having babies. (the Church has moved away from this in the past 50 years since Vatican II but it still persists because it is easier to control people with fear) but  bottom line, this  is the real issue. The rest is really window dressing.

        What do we want? Universal health care! When do we want it? Now!

        by cagernant on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 08:03:07 PM PST

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        •  Marriage and love and family life (2+ / 0-)
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          jan4insight, corvo

          This model of family dynamics is a recent (late 19th century) phenomenon, and was initially an American invention, although Hollywood outsourced it to the whole world.  One of the reasons Americans have a high divorce rate relative to most of Europe is that we expect, as a rule, that marriage is part of a romantic bond with one's partner; this puts a lot of demands on relationships.  Incidentally, this originated in America because in the 19th century, we did not have as much of a hereditary aristocracy as we do now; basically, money has historically been more important than parentage in America.

          Oh, yes.  Abortion was not an issue until about the 1920s or 1930s when surgical techniques became developed enough to make it viable as a means of terminating a pregnancy.  And contraception was not an issue until the 20th century.  So none of these are part of any long tradition.  It's stuff that was made up relatively recently.

          The reason that the Catholic church adopted clerical celibacy was to prevent the papacy from becoming a hereditary institution.  It had nothing to do with whether priests were or weren't supposed to have normal sexual urges.  All the stuff about being celibate for God was basically to avoid a perception that the clergy was one big frat mixer, which is frankly what it was back in the middle ages.  

          •  Especially since surgical abortion would be (1+ / 0-)
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            corvo

            suicide prior to the development of aseptic surgical techniques and even those were primitive (carbolic acid to disinfect surgical tools instead of modern spore tested autoclaves, eew).  Just think back to the days of "coathanger abortions" and imagine all surgery being like that.

            You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

            by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 10:41:11 PM PST

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          •  Not the real reason for celibacy (2+ / 0-)
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            Tom Anderson, Ahianne

            It had to do with inheriting property. (Yes, the Bishop having sons would have complicated that issue.) "Parish" priests were almost never celibate and no one cared, because they didn't hold the rights to the parish farmlands, the bishop did. You can clearly trace the celibacy thing and the property rights thing to the 11th and 12th centuries.

  •  Argh. (7+ / 0-)

    The Catholic hierarchy seems to be hopelessly out of touch. You should hear what my Catholic friends call the bishop here. They just don't get women and never will until they admit them to the hierarchy on an equal basis.

    Wait, I need to stop laughing.

    OK. THAT will never happen. So ... it was OK for a priest to mess around with a couple of male students because they were 18, never mind that they have told consenting homosexual couples to remain celibate because gay sex is evil? Nice.

    And by the way, the BASIS for the Catholic Church's ban on abortion historically is that a woman who has unsanctioned sex needs to be punished ... by having a baby! Admittedly, they didn't the BABY was the punishment. The punishment was the pain of childbirth, as cited in the Bible.

    Jon Husted is a dick.

    by anastasia p on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:33:53 PM PST

  •  I could tell you some stories (11+ / 0-)

    I went to Catholic school, all 12 years. High school was an all-girls school. This was the late 70s.

    During my junior year, one of the seniors was pregnant and had given the baby up for adoption. She was allowed to attend school throughout her pregnancy and was even praised for making such a mature choice. Her sister made her a special maternity uniform, because they didn't sell such a thing.

    In the early spring, it became obvious that one of my classmates was pregnant. I didn't know her well, so I only learned about it when she was showing.

    During final exams, she came in and was showing around wedding pictures. She had gotten married the previous Saturday. Her husband had graduated from our "brother" school the previous year, and his sister was one of my classmates as well, and I was friendly with her and talked to her occasionally, so I heard all about what was going on.

    Senior year came, and no pregnant classmate. I heard from the husband's sister that she was not allowed to go to our school, because she was married. However, the school said that if she left her husband and moved in with her parents, they would let her go to school. The explanation was that they didn't want to glorify teenage marriage. The young couple refused this offer and she was going to the local public school.

    My best friend went to the local public school, and I asked if she had seen my former classmate around--she was very pregnant, so hard to miss. My friend said she had seen her, and they thought she was a teacher.

    After Christmas vacation, former classmate was back in my school, having given birth. She and her baby were living with her parents, and the husband with his parents, so that she could graduate with her friends.

    Another girl in my class who was about seven months pregnant at graduation, but was in the top 20% of the class, was not allowed to walk at graduation. She received her diploma, but was not allowed to take part in the graduation ceremony. She got married a week after graduation. They are still married (we're friends on Facebook) and had a couple more kids and now have several grandchildren. (And she looks like she graduated from high school last week! Just a beautiful woman.)

    Religion class our senior year was called Marriage and the Family. It was taught by a nun.

    I learned soooo much about the church in Catholic school.

    Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. - Thomas Paine

    by Spinster on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 05:40:39 PM PST

    •  I was surprised when I read in the student (7+ / 0-)

      handbook for a local catholic high school that if a girl left school to have a baby, she could return to school after the baby was born unless she got married.  Married mothers would not be allowed to return to school, only unmarried ones.

      I thought that was a very bizarre policy in light of the right wing religious case against same sex marriage which worships the societal model of children being raised by a married mother and father.

      “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

      by ahumbleopinion on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 06:02:03 PM PST

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    •  In my school (4+ / 0-)

      the mandatory "Marriage and Family Life" course was taught by a priest.

      Like you, I did the full 12-year monty of Catholic school, but it was somewhat tamer--no pregnancies and associated administrative sophistry, but two teachers got fired during my years there for having relationships with students. One of the teachers was a married man, the other single. There was another unmarried male teacher who got briefly involved with TWO students, sisters in fact (sequentially, not simultaneously), but nothing happened to him. He later married another teacher, a nun who ditched the order to be with him.

      "I believe they talked of me, for they laughed consumedly."--George Farquhar

      by slapshoe on Sun Dec 30, 2012 at 06:34:13 PM PST

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      •  Oh, I can top that. (2+ / 0-)
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        slapshoe, Bronx59

        My high school was run by a religious order.  All of the teachers I'll be referring to were members of the order.

        1. One of them had a fondness for jocks; couldn't keep his hands off them.  In an act of cluelessness or utter cynicism, he was also "athletic moderator," which gave him the privilege of trolling the locker rooms between PE classes.  He'd pretend to be selling soap in the showers, yuk yuk yuk.  Eventually he made one move too many and was freighted off to a retreat center in Minnesota for a few months' worth of praying the gay away.  It didn't wlork.

        2. Another was one of the religion teachers.  He delighted in teaching us how to make perfect quarter-sheets of paper for the daily quizzes, and one day, in lieu of the quiz, he asked us to write down any questions we had about Holy Mother Church.  Next class he entered, beaming, "I note that most of you are in heresy."  He was also the librarian, and one day lost it and started fondling a boy in the stacks.  (I must say he did have good taste.)   The boy, not knowing what was happening, hauled around and landed him a good one in the face.  Off to Winona with him too!

        3. A third fell in love with another man, apparently carried on a brief affair, and shot himself out of guilt.  A waste of a good life, ruined by ridiculous bigotry and guilt.

        4. A fourth was arrested while "parking" with the mother of one of his students.  You'd better believe we kids were all on the phone to each other: "Guess what -- one of them was actually straight!"

  •  Abuse of Women (1+ / 0-)
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    corvo

    All priests, pastors, gurus, imams, etc. are in an abusive hierarchal relationship with the faithful.

    The Catholics are especially good at it.  Give us your money, we will mold your life to our perversities so you don't have to spend eternity in an imaginary place of torture that was created by our also imaginary, violent, but infinitely loving God.

    There is no such God.  In a just world, these unctuous Bishops would have to find honest work, or go to jail for fraud.

    Labor was the first price paid for all things. It was not by money, but by labour, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased. - Adam Smith

    by boatwright on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 03:52:49 AM PST

  •  the religious hypocrite test: (1+ / 0-)
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    corvo

    when their favored ones sin, it's a sad part of human nature and we must be forgiving and supportive, helping them to avoid falling again (so basically good with a weakness).

    when they couldn't care less, it's too bad you're bad, to hell with ya (so basically bad and finally we have proof).

    my own experience with this is in a Protestant church with the bully 'pastor' getting a pass, 'I know he has a demon sometimes, but we should just love him'.   meanwhile I was getting pushed out for standing up.  I was called a snake but nobody seemed to think they 'should just love' me.  

    sometimes I spend more time reading the comments than the diaries. no offense to diarists: thanks for the launch pad.

    by dunnjen on Mon Dec 31, 2012 at 04:24:04 AM PST

  •  I was married and very much wanted (1+ / 0-)
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    corvo

    the twins I had

    and it STILL felt like a punishment - god, it is hard work taking care of babies!

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