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A lament for progressive radio.

Not so much of a diary as an announcement.  I'm feeling a little squirrely tonight and just need to share.

My little friend here charged a handful of trail mix to pose for pictures this afternoon so I thought we should get something out of the deal.  

If you live in NW WA you may already know that this is the last night of AM 1090 as Progressive talk. When your radio alarm goes off tomorrow morning you won't hear Stephanie Miller but you will be treated to a brand new sports station.  Yeah!  Just what we need.  Thom Hartmann can be heard on FM 91.3 but that's a very low powered station that probably only covers part of Seattle.  That's it.  KPOJ is already gone in Portland and the entire bright blue NW corner of the nation will no longer hear our side of things over the so called public airways.  

Don't blame the people at KTPK they didn't make the decision and I suspect they will be out of a job anyway.  The decision was made months ago by CBS Radio which owns that frequency.  If you were listening on election night you will remember that they cut away from talk to broadcast a hockey game at 6PM which was a huge clue.  

If you are around a computer or want to use your cell phone bandwidth you can listen to all our hosts streams and if you have the bucks and want to put up with the hassle you can of course buy their podcasts.  Neither option works well for me.  

These changes are happening all over the country and are at least in part directly related to the Rush LimBeck melt down.  Many if not most major advertisers just bought package deals without paying attention to what shows their ads were played on.  As a result lots of them were caught flat footed when the found out just how controversial talk radio could be and they put their ads on blanket do not play lists for political talk shows.   Ad revenues have dropped dramatically both on the radio and internet.  Progressive radio had always been marginalized by the radio industry and what ginormous corporation like CBS would subsidize our side like they do the wing nuts anyway.  Rush lives on but progressive talk is dead in the water.  If we can't support a liberal station in Seattle they can't exist anywhere.  

All the hosts are on vacation and I'm listening to a re-run of Norman Goldman anyway.  Withdrawal is already setting in.  I wrote a similar death watch piece a few years ago the night my old paper, that I worked for, The Seattle P-I, which was the local liberal rag, stopped publication.  I'm getting really tired of this crap.  

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  •  Detroit too (11+ / 0-)

    Clear Channel is closing the Detroit progressive station down and donating the channel to some community group, but - not the towers.  They are tearing the towers down so I don't see that the community group is getting much out of this.

  •  Happened in Portland the Friday after the election (10+ / 0-)

    We have one pro sports team and now thave three 24/7 sports channels.

    I fear the consequences this move toward removing liberal voices from the air (what little of it there is) will have on elections.

    Money doesn't talk it swears.

    by Coss on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 06:06:14 PM PST

  •  All 3 Ohio Stations Were Shut Down After 06 Win (10+ / 0-)

    for Dems, but one or two have popped up since.

    I bought a whole house FM transmitter to broadcast my computer streaming since I work at home in a craft shop that involves 4 rooms. So I can get my computer stream on radios as I work and move from room to room.

    Personally I doubt progressive talk will make it as far as the 2014 election. Our Bill of Rights cedes the public square to information warlords, and our policy for 35 years has been to end levels of competition among them that would force many to offer information services favorable to the people.

    Concentrated ownership doesn't want this genre.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 06:14:45 PM PST

  •  Sad. (6+ / 0-)

    I don't like progressive voices being taken away.

    He that chooses his own path needs no map. Queen Kristina of Sweden.

    by Boppy on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 06:15:30 PM PST

  •  What really pisses me off (5+ / 0-)
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    They are still playing the same spots about being the home of Progressive talk and how we don't need your money but we need your suport to keep progressive talk on the air.

    A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

    by YellerDog on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 06:35:16 PM PST

  •  Don't worry (5+ / 0-)
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    It looks to me like in your area there are plenty of outlets for Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, hell someone probably runs even even-more-looney.. Does Art Bell have an overnight?

    For those that thinkt here isn't balance, what there is really lacking is an effort to build and sell to an audience.  The Northwest is reliably liberal for the most part, but rather than try to build a base it's easier to write it off.

    I can read the arbitrons, I get some of the logic.. but they only tell you part of the story.   The fact that there wasn't any real push to get behind this shows where things are going.

    It's just easier to deny debate than to refute it.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 06:38:59 PM PST

  •  Indeed a lot of change is under way (7+ / 0-)

    we are broadcasting Thom Hartman, Nicole Sandler, Shannon Moore and many others along with our own shows available on your smartphone via stitcher, tunein radio or itunes as well as on the web at the links in my sig. However, losing the traditional broadcast radio audience sucks.

    Listen to Netroots Radio or to our pods on Stitcher. "We are but temporary visitors on this planet. The microbes own this place" <- Me

    by yuriwho on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 06:57:40 PM PST

    •  We are growing (5+ / 0-)

      As Yuriwho has indicated.

      We are NetrootsRadio, a group in the Daily Kos community with original voices. We also carry David Waldman and Armando Lorenz.

      We invite you to listen. To call in. To participate. is Progressive Radio for the rest of us.

      Better get back to the web. The internet isn't going to surf itself.

      by RodSerling on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 09:07:09 PM PST

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      •  Can I hear it in my car without using my cell? (2+ / 0-)
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        Then that's a huge problem for getting new listeners.

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        by maxomai on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 12:26:10 AM PST

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        •  and not all of us... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...can afford the cell phone plans that allow this.  I am lucky to have a cell phone at all.

          We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

          by delver rootnose on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:26:14 AM PST

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        •  This may actually change in the near future! (0+ / 0-)

          Stitcher Radio, one of many apps you can use to listen to our podcasts, but which also carries the entire Netroots Radio stream live, has deals completed or in the works with several auto manufacturers to put their API on board new lines of Ford, Chevy, Mercedes and now Honda vehicles!

          So now, all you have to do is buy a car instead of a cell phone!

          Seriously, though, this is a pretty serious move. If it sticks, and there's every indication that more and more car buyers are interested in the feature, we'll have found our way into the commute listening time in millions of cars in the US and around the world without having to go through the expense and hassle of, you know, buying and operating a radio station.

          That won't solve your problems immediately, but it's a pretty interesting move, I think, to be in on the ground floor of one of the changes that could possibly make Internet radio a viable alternative to the commercial giants.

          Plus, there's always iTunes, from which you can download our podcasts and listen at your leisure, either at home or on your way, without the cell phone charges.

          And that doesn't even get into the future possibilities of seeing the podcasts syndicated on regular, terrestrial radio stations. If there are any left.

  •  I've been hearing the ads (3+ / 0-)
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    for the replacement station "The Fan".  I wonder how much that name cost them....

    KPTK always had sports programming even as Progressive talk.  I remember Wednesday night programming (Randi) being int interrupted for some coach's show, and losing many Tuesday and Thursday nights for girl's basketball.

    “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

    by markdd on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:09:48 PM PST

    •  The Fan is a national radio brand (2+ / 0-)
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      like smooth jazz, or those "we play everything" formats (MIKE-FM, JACK-FM, BOB-FM) that are just large playlists set on shuffle

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."

      by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:16:03 PM PST

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      •  Oh great more homogenized radio (1+ / 0-)
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        Since the AM on my truck is broken I'm finding fewer decent choices on FM.  JACK-FM (CBS sister to KPTK), Danny Bonaduce (broadcasting from Seattle, but hardly local), Bob Rivers (all talk, no music, and often pre-recorded)

        “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Thomas Jefferson

        by markdd on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:41:45 PM PST

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      •  Well with sports, they don't worry (0+ / 0-)

        about boycotts. What sucks about Seattle, the two sports station are really weak sauce, the DJ's all seem to read from the same script. If  you to talk about say the NBA forget about it, hell they have to pull teeth to talk about the Sounders(MSL) or the Storm(WNBA) which is Seattle's most successful team last few years.

        One does not simply walk into Mordor! One invites a gas driller in, and one’s land becomes Mordor. Chris From Balloon Juice

        by Mr Stagger Lee on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:46:21 PM PST

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  •  yes, Stephanie Miller was talking about this (5+ / 0-)

    right before she went on vacation.

    time to get Current TV, Seattle.

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:11:08 PM PST

  •  We can lament all we want... (3+ / 0-)
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    but as others have pointed out, Rush has just accelerated the process.  All political talk radio will be gone in 10 years.  If you want it, you will have to get it digitally.  Iheartradio, Tunein, Sirius XM or some other outlet will be the only way you get to hear progressive/liberal talk.

    You will only get Top 40, Country, R&B and several sport stations along with an NRP station asking for money before it is all over.  Someone had a video with one of the moguls in radio last month that said as much.  Streaming is the wave of the future as much as that sucks.

    "We will never have the elite, smart people on our side."~Little Ricky Santorum

    by Dahankster on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:12:45 PM PST

    •  I agree. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

      by YellerDog on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:43:08 PM PST

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    •  None of which work (2+ / 0-)
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      for outlying areas of the state of Washington. Sort of like cable TV /internet which is still not in the rural areas most places. Nothing satellite works in many area becaue of big trees and hills. In many places there is still no cell phone service.

      But you can still get Rush Limbaugh on at least three stations.

      It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

      by PSWaterspirit on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 08:05:41 PM PST

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  •  I know that tomorrow I will forget (6+ / 0-)

    and push the well worn KTPK button on my car radio and get that sinking feeling that my world has gotten a little less progressive.

    Those with the control over commercial radio don't want us to get those progressive ideas in our heads.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:18:18 PM PST

  •  Yes, progressive radio has always been (8+ / 0-)

    marginalized - usually by being "ghetto ed" in on super-low bandwidth stations. But the stations that were there had great ratings, even in red states. But the corporate ownership in most of those places had enough money to be able to put their political agenda over ratings, and killed the progressive format. Sadly, that's not the story that gets told. The story that gets told is that liberal talk radio "can't make it" in the marketplace, and that is total bullshit.

    Another big problem: "our" (liberal)  rich people suck. They care about their personal pet issues, but lack the overall vision that the rich conservatives and corporations have: the importance of getting your message out. Hence the conservatives/corporate America bought up all the radio stations to forward their agenda (and it worked brilliantly), and the rich liberal people did jack shit. No vision or broader understanding whatsoever.

    If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - David Rees from "Get Your War On".

    by Oaktown Girl on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:23:16 PM PST

  •  Our progressive talk station in Chicago (10+ / 0-)

    is locally owned - not part of a conglomerate. The owner of the station was one of President Obama's top fundraisers and has given millions to Democratic candidates and causes over the years.

    I don't think progressive talk in Chicago is going anywhere, and that makes me happy.

    Yes we can! Yes we did! Yes we will!

    by Sister Havana on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:27:50 PM PST

    •  Amen (3+ / 0-)
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      to that. I thought I heard another station had picked up Hartman in the NW. (???)Maybe I heard wrong.

      Stephen King is keeping the radio alive in Maine.

      The Ghost of Tom Joad

      by Illinois IRV on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:43:01 PM PST

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      •  93.1 FM Very low watt. (0+ / 0-)

        I can't get a trace of a signal in Olympia.  AM 1090 covered 90% of western WA. It was a huge signal.  I could get it in the car all the way to Westport an Ocean Shores on the coast and at least half the way to Portland on I-5

        A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

        by YellerDog on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:45:39 PM PST

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        •  I have been picking (0+ / 0-)

          it up in Vancouver, WA during the winter. Since the loss of KPOJ it has been nice but now I guess the radio stays off.

          A real shame.

          It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

          by PSWaterspirit on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 08:08:37 PM PST

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  •  Albany, NY, is a reliably Democratic (3+ / 0-)
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    metro, yet the two talk stations are wingnut Republican.

    WGY-AM was built by GE way back when, and had a lot of local nonpartisan programming until it became another Clear Channel propaganda outlet.

    It has a center-right local show in the morning, followed by Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Michael Berry (some RW guy from Houston), and Mark Levin.

    The other station (WGDJ-AM) is locally owned, but even more wingnut.

    Station co-owner Paul Vandenburgh in the morning is a government-hater in a government town, after him are Murdoch scribe Fred Dicker who covers state government from a predictably Murdoch POV, an hour of local chamber of commerce infomercial, Mike Huckabee, a local tea party ditz in afternoon drive, Roger Hedgecock from San Diego, Michael Savage, and the wingnut trucker-oriented Red Eye Radio.

    WGY's ratings are decent, WGDJ's aren't -- they recently canned an afternoon host for "economic reasons" and have lots of infomercial programming to keep the signal on.

    But I am certain that one important reason that Albany radio is wingnut, despite that fact that most people in the Albany metro are not, is that most potential local advertisers are conservative Republicans who hate taxes and regulations.

    And local advertising revenue is really all the station owners care about.

    A public option for health insurance is a national priority.

    by devtob on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 07:44:22 PM PST

  •  IPOD TOUCH (3+ / 0-)
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    I have an IPOD touch and in trying to find a station that carried the Phil Henrie Show (a mock talk/call in show with outrageous, totally politically incorrect and absurd topics and personalities) I was prompted to install  the "TuneIn Radio" ap. I did and it gives me a multitude of stations from around the world, including progressive talk radio stations (and sports which I like).

    So, if you have an Ipod Touch (or likely, an iphone) your thirst for progressvie radio can be quenched. The ap + wifi and you're set.

  •  I often listen to WWRL in NYC (2+ / 0-)
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    that's a good one -- I know there's a Chicago Progressive Stream, but I don't think there's another progressive Station on the West Coast at all now? Is that correct? KGO is done in S.F., KPOJ done in Portland, the Seattle station now gone. Jeepers.

    I normally have talk radio on overnight.

  •  I know this is hard to believe, becuz, like, (3+ / 0-)
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    we've only been pimping our shows here on the G.O.S. for nearly Two Fucking Years, but there is an alternative, created by fellow Kossacks!  It's called Netroots Radio and can be found on the daily Diaries we post for our shows here, or over on our blog page at  I know!  Who knew??

  •  RIP (2+ / 0-)
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    Even though I live in Milwaukee, I would turn into KPTK on Sundays at 3 PM my time because they would replay Ring of Fire.  Either to hear a repeat or because I missed the original Saturday broadcast, KPTK was among the favorites I keep on my browser.  

    Ditto KPOJ (RIP) for a very reliable streaming signal (sadly, The MIC in Madisons signal is often unreliable).

    We don't have progressive radio here in Milwaukee, but we DO have 2 high powered RWNJ stations along with national and local show hosts who do prop up the Wisconsin GOP and Scott Walker and spread lies, myths, and propaganda.

    Progressive radio is kept at a disadvantage not just in the number of stations (nearly always low power), but in threats to potential advertisers of political retaliation to make funding much more difficult.  

    The monied interest not only want the biggest microphone out there, they want the only microphone.  

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 09:34:48 PM PST

  •  Cumulus KGO in SF replaced 1-1-12,by NewsTalk (1+ / 0-)
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    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Tue Jan 01, 2013 at 10:01:58 PM PST

  •  Rightwing monopoly of old tech & print media (0+ / 0-)

    looks good on their "master plan" for control of public discourse and information... but like newspapers being read by increasingly older voters... regular radio, old TV / cable and satellite etc will increasingly be an old foagie's ghetto while new tech media, cell and online will increasingly dominate and unless the corporate nasties succeed in making us go all Great Wall of China and corporate hogged bandwidth (which they want to do of course) access to it will continue to be too democratic, interactive and hard to take over to shut down voices they do not like. And as they try to the aware users will be on to them and find ways around the BS.

    So let them have the Pyrrhic victory of being king of a shrinking sand hill with Papers, magazines, trad radio etc.... it will continue to be an increasingly money losing proposition but of course the real losers will be mostly the smaller investors the barons offload their old tech media empires onto before the stink gets too obvious... We can only hope that the implosion goes faster than they can game. Murdoch for instance has already been cutting losses and now separating the print from the broadcast parts of his empire.

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

    by IreGyre on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 08:05:15 AM PST

  •  Not a "fan" (0+ / 0-)

    I hadn't heard about KPTK's imminent demise until I turned my radio on this morning expecting to hear Bill Press, only to hear the new call letters and sports blabber.  Bummer.  Double bummer!  Though not really unexpected since hearing about the Portland station.   I don't want to pay for a data plan for my cellphone, so I guess I'll be listening to my iPod on the bus ride to work. Easier to listen at work since I am working at a computer with internet access.   All morning I've been clicking the LISTEN LIVE buttons on various radio websites.  

    I agree about the comments that radio is a dying media, very few people under 40 listen to radio anymore.  It's too bad though that progressive ideas won't be getting readily accessible exposure.  Maybe Pandora needs to add a talk station?

  •  I turned on the radio when I got in the truck (0+ / 0-)

    and I heard Jim Rome on 1090am.
    Like we needed another sports station in town we only have three. This is payback for their loss.
    They threw away a money making station with a large infrastructure of activists. That is valuable anywhere except in GOP ideology.
    The first thing I though of is there oughta be a law, but nobody pays attention to law. So the only thing that works is when their ideology costs them money. i.e.: Papa Johns, Darden and the like have changed their tune when their profits dropped immensely during the holidays. Not the best time to be a dick Papa Scrooge. Money talks. Give none to assholes. Its is important to spend responsibly.

    Boycotts focused on one corporate asshole at a time can do damage. This economy is ready to take off, we can build responsible business and bury the bastards deeply who need it.

    “We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both.” ~Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

    by Max Runk on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 03:02:37 PM PST

  •  miss it less than anticipated (0+ / 0-)

    talk radio got predictably repetitive quick
    more outrage than information
    the left doesn't benefit from a mirror reflection of the right

    more good comes from 10 minutes
    of actually talking to neighbors
    than from 10 hours of listening to radio talkers

    yes, I miss Seattle Progressive Talk
    but I miss the Seattle PI much more and always

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