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In New Year, New Dish, New Media, Andrew Sullivan announces he will be leaving The Daily Beast and taking The Dish to a new blogsite. Starting on February 1, 2013, Andrew Sullivan and his founding team of Patrick Appel, and Chris Bodenner, will be supported only by reader's subsriptions of $19.95 per year. The new location will be the original site of www.andrewsullivan.com

When I first stumbled into blogging over 12 years ago, it was for two reasons: curiosity and freedom. I was curious about the potential for writing in this new medium; and for the first time, I felt total freedom as a writer. On my little blog, I was beholden to no one but my readers. I had no editor to please, no advertiser to woo, no publisher to work for, no colleagues to manage. Perhaps it was working for so long in old media that made me appreciate this breakthrough so much. But it still exhilarates every day.

Sullivan recounts his own inspiring history as part of this remarkable evolution of interactive blog sites of the sort we are developing here. From the start, he has struggled to make the finances work. After doing it on his own, for his first six years with only two pledge drives, he then linked up with Time, the Atlantic, and finally, the Daily Beast," for the next six years.

Sullivan credits The Beast for enabling him to add an additional staffer, two paid interns, and helping him set up video.

And so, as we contemplated the end of our contract with the Beast at the end of 2012, we faced a decision. ... we felt more and more that getting readers to pay a small amount for content was the only truly solid future for online journalism. And since the Dish has, from its beginnings, attempted to pioneer exactly such a solid future for web journalism, we also felt we almost had a duty to try and see if we could help break some new ground.

The only completely clear and transparent way to do this, we concluded, was to become totally independent of other media entities and rely entirely on you for our salaries, health insurance, and legal, technological and accounting expenses.

So last week the three of them set up Dish Publishing LLC to strike out on their own.  

Andrew Sullivan's very long and informative post contains many intertesting facts, such as:

- His average reader spends 17 minutes a day on the Dish.
- As of February 1 he will revert to his old URL - www.andrewsullivan.com
- Readers alone will sustain the new site - 'no venture capital, (and) no advertising.'
- Best line "If you're not paying for the product, you are the product being sold."
- Advance membership of the Dish for $19.99 a year,
- Sullivan works 365 days a year.
- He produces 240 posts a week (13,000 separate posts last year alone)
- His team reads 90,000 emails a year.
- He may start a "monthly tablet magazine" called "Deep Dish."
- The new Dish will have some free access charge to go beyond a pay wall.

If you wish to be a founding subscriber the link is:

Founding Dish Membership

Good luck Andrew and team Dish.  We hope your new endeavor is successful and you continue to blaze an inspirational trail for emerging writers throughout the "tubz."

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  •  Interesting to see if it will work. (8+ / 0-)

    Problem with being subscription based is one hair on fire article (Andrew is prone to such now and again) and he'll lose subscriptors in protest.  A non-refundable yearly subscription makes more sense as a business model then - so nobody can quit you in a heated disagreement, but rather reflect yearly on if you offer them their monies worth.  

    I agree, I dig the "If you're not paying for the product, you are the product being sold." line.  He should incorporate that into his byline or something.  

    President Obama would have been a Republican in the 1980's.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:39:34 PM PST

    •  Well given the fact we signed (7+ / 0-)

      On for a year I'm not sure how true that will be.

      And frankly I read more hair on fire stuff here than over at the Dish.

      And as a side note he was as of 3PM he was signing up 36 subscribers per minute.

      Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

      by jsfox on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:43:59 PM PST

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    •  Thanks for the comment Jacoby Andrew did note (1+ / 0-)
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      that he has "melted down" several times.  

      People like writers with passion, zest, and commitment. So it probably comes with the territory. We've had a few writers like that too, here, if memory serves me correctly. Or so I've heard.

      Did you notice 240 posts a week? I wonder if that is his whole team because that's a lot of posts? I'm feeling lazy now.  He must write shorter posts than I do. Or be a heck of a lot faster writer.  

      So you make a good point about annual non-refundable subscriptions.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:47:17 PM PST

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    •  That's what I was thinking. (0+ / 0-)

      People will read a blog they disagree with just to scowl at it.  (I know I do).  But they won't PAY to scowl.

  •  Sullivan has made too many mistakes. (6+ / 0-)

    Too many very big mistakes.

    I'll say no more. (Maybe.)

    •  I don't know him that well Little. Have I made an (3+ / 0-)
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      error wishing him well in his new endeavor? I didn't mean to endorse his writing or political views, which I understand can sometimes be conservative. I was  merely hope that writers can start successful businesses, in sort of non-specific, free floating wish of good will to fellow human beings.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:54:24 PM PST

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      •  Oh no no - please don't think that. (6+ / 0-)

        Sullivan is so hyper smart, broad, and curious that he is definitely worth your time. Specifically, his backing of the Iraq War - in combination with how deeply he insulted those against it - well, fuck.

        And I have to confess I still go there once in a while. Like  I said, hyper smart, broad, and curious...

        •  Well, I opposed the war. So maybe he attacked me (0+ / 0-)

          and I didn't notice?

          The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by HoundDog on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 06:19:02 PM PST

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          •  Yes he did. Or maybe more specifically people (1+ / 0-)
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            •  Decadent left? Fifth columnist? The man is (0+ / 0-)

              a lunatic!!!!  At least he didn't mention me specifically.  

              I'm almost ready to disavow all the kind and encouraging things I said about him.

              But, sadly, I believe even having stand alone conservative perspectives probably helps us achieve higher understandings so I will not delete my best wishes.

              But, maybe after he gets his feet on the ground, I will write a scathing reply calling him equally unkind things. Like a doubly decadent rightist, and a sixth columnist.  

              The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

              by HoundDog on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 06:56:53 PM PST

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              •  You mock me now. (1+ / 0-)
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                I should have noticed the tongued cheek?

                •  No, I'm not mocking you Little. I'm so sorry. I (2+ / 0-)
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                  just was trying to be funny. I've had a headache for a few days, and after reading all this stuff about Hillary, and being depressed about the concessions over the fiscal cliff I was doing a Now for something completely different to take a break.

                  I often try to make these kinds of post and comments fun and funny especially in the comments.  

                  After having so many pleasant exchanges with you I was just trying to have silly fun.

                  Please accept my apologies. One of the things I need to learn better is that my moods change so quickly, I can leave readers baffled as in one minute I'm deadly serious with painfully detailed points, and the next being totally silly trying extract humor for a tangent.

                  I've enjoyed and appreciated you comments. and helpful links.

                  The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

                  by HoundDog on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:06:15 PM PST

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                •  Little, I am so distressed that you think I was (2+ / 0-)
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                  mocking you that I have to explain and apologize even more.

                  I had just read one of the comments asking if this were an post or an advertisement and then your posts reminding me that Sullivan was a complete war hawk and one of my "enemies" of long ago which I had actually forgotten.

                  While I wrote this I was also watching NCIS which got interesting so was sort of writing on "cruise control" as it often helps me relax for some odd reason, but only if I don't apply a usually academic like concentration.

                  I also read and write these thinks very quickly because I get bored easily.  So I think perhaps unconsciously after reading him denouncing "decadent leftists and fifth columnists" (which would generically be me) my comment about was a very quick way to attempt the affectation a breezy but graceful distancing joke.  So I wouldn't have to explain all this but could reassure readers that I haven't given up progressive values and become a war Hawk.

                  Actually, the first reaction - joke I had was to affect outrage and say "That miserable bast--d! followed by a string of obscene adjectives, but immediately thought better of it after too many misunderstandings.

                  Anyhow I should have put in a happy face so you knew I was being silly in a friendly way, but since reading a bunch of those '10 most juvenile, idiotic, and juvenile emoticons of the year" article I'm trying to cut back a little on those as I seem to be the only person out of 640,000 UID here that still does that.

                  Oh dear, I'm so sorry.

                  The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

                  by HoundDog on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:17:00 PM PST

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                  •  Sullivan, to his credit, has apologized (2+ / 0-)
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                    profusely for ever supporting the Iraq war. He knows he was wrong, he admits he was wrong, and that's more than even some Dem politicians were willing to do.

                  •  HoundDog - slow down (2+ / 0-)
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                    I am not offended. I'm on and off the phone with doctor's appointement ppl and a scuba dive company and watching cricket - it is all okay.

                    But you're not mocking me now, are you?

                    ;)

                    I hate emoticons.

                  •  Oh, say it isn't so... If I can no longer (1+ / 0-)
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                    :) & ;) I will be :^(  

                    It's so easy to be misunderstood, or take something the wrong way. We need a snark font.  And one for irony.  And....

                    That reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: Perhaps the biggest misconception of communication is the assumption that it takes place.

                    "In politics stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte

                    by citylights on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 02:07:23 AM PST

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                    •  Yes, great point and quote. Remember that old (0+ / 0-)

                      McCluen (sp?) title, "The Medium is the Message?" In this case the medium is mushing the message. Or at least some other synonym of constraining that begins with m.  Maybe mangling would be better?

                      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

                      by HoundDog on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 06:37:41 PM PST

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      •  Well it sounds like you're schilling for him to me (0+ / 0-)
    •  Give me someone who has made mistakes (5+ / 0-)

      And admitted them over someone who is so sure of his rightness that he cannot even see his mistakes.

      Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

      by jsfox on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 06:58:41 PM PST

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      •  But I forgot that Andrew Sullivan was an Iraq war (1+ / 0-)
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        Hawk until Little reminded me with a link.  Now I wish I had put in one of those proviso like " this post is not an endorsement of Andrew Sullivan's sometimes extremist and conservative viewpoints.

        Dang, jsfox.  I had hoped I could use Now for Something Completely Different to relax and have anonymous low concentration fun without consequences like the good ole days.

        Thats one of the reasons I set up the HoundDog account. Because in the world I inhabit in real-life every word one utters, and often even the ones you don't are entered in a permanent record and everything has so many consequences one has to be cautious and constantly concentrate to imagine unintended side effects of a countless possible varieties.

        How is it possible that I now seem to have recreated the exact same situation here for my anonymous HoundDog account?

        Maybe as HoundDog I should set up "super double secret anonymous" account somewhere where I can just do stream of conscious to my hearts content.  And, delete the accounts as soon as I develop any reputation,, or influence on others that we can predict with 100% certainty I will almost instantaneously become attached too and start to manage in a constant state of anxiety about hurting others feelings, or saying non-brilliant remarks, or ....... thousands of things that are stupid to be worrying about.

        Yes, this is the ticket.  Maybe I'll come back as GoddnuoH and start over.

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:31:56 PM PST

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        •  A lot of people got roped into supporting that (2+ / 0-)
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          damn war - it was knee-jerk reaction to 9/11 - everyone was so afraid to not seem "patriotic" and Cheney and Rumsfeld, etc were playing on it.  Republicans calling anyone who dissented a traitor while they were passing the Patriot Act.  It was disgusting and terrifying.  It's what brought me to this community, and I'm still here so many years later because Republicans are even more disgusting and terrifying.  I remember asking then when the moderates would take back their party.  How naive I was.

          Republicans: You can't slap the stupid out of them, and you can't smack the smart in to them.

          by gnutpnut on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 08:58:04 PM PST

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          •  Thanks for joining up gnutpnut. I never could (0+ / 0-)

            imagine we would still be paying so much to continue operation in both countries.  At least, we got our troops out of Iraq.  

            The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

            by HoundDog on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 02:15:32 PM PST

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        •  Mushroom cloud stampede (0+ / 0-)

          Barack Hussein Obama- Don't Mock the Constitution.

          by odenthal on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 05:49:47 AM PST

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  •  Good luck to Andrew. (4+ / 0-)
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    Suppose we only halved the death rates, both homicide and suicide, from guns? That's 15,000 lives / year we would save. ~teacherken

    by GreenMtnState on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:49:09 PM PST

  •  Another issue going behind a paywall... (1+ / 0-)
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    You have to be militant in cracking down on copy-write infringement.  And it could be pretty costly to go after serial abusers.  The internet is a tricky place to try and enforce copywrite.  Some will rip off everything purposely to hurt your business model, others will believe honestly in a free and open internet etc.  

    He'll have to offer more than just access to his writings/musings which folks have been happily getting for free for years now.  

    I mean $20 a year isn't much at all (it's 5 cents a day), but he needs to offer enough value to get at least 10,000 subscribers as his start-up base one would have to figure.  

    President Obama would have been a Republican in the 1980's.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:51:13 PM PST

  •  Is this a diary or an advertisement? nt (2+ / 0-)
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    •  I have not connection to andrew sullivan financial (6+ / 0-)

      or otherwise.  Never met him, don't get invited to parties, don't exchange Holiday cards.

      So I see this as a post. I frequently post links to subjects websites, articles, petitions, etc, whether I agree with them are not.

      Part of my vision of myself is to bring interesting news and information to people, and help link them to places they may want to go.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:58:47 PM PST

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  •  I have not always agreed with Andrew, (5+ / 0-)

    but for what little I know of His work, He is respectful of those that disagree with Him, and has a Good reason to support His thoughts.

    I wish Him well in His new undertaking, if for no other reason we need to have a thoughtful  discussion of important subjects.

  •  He seems to make a big change (4+ / 0-)

    every couple years: andrewsullivan.com, Time, Atlantic, Daily Beast, etc. Kind of reminds me of the occasional emotional turns he takes in his commentary.

    Don't get me wrong: I think his analysis is by and large very good. It's just that he can take some big swings from time to time.

  •  I wish him well. I feel like I know him after (2+ / 0-)
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    all these years since he edited TNR. I have two major problems with him (race and IQ; Iraq) and he's awfully elitist at times. Anyway, I won't be giving him money, but have enjoyed much of what he's written, even if he did make me wade into the cesspool of the world of "scientific" "race" "realism".

    “liberals are the people who think that cruelty is the worst thing that we do” --Richard Rorty Also, I moved from NYC, so my username is inaccurate.

    by jeff in nyc on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 06:16:02 PM PST

  •  This is the NPR model but with a fussy meter. (1+ / 0-)
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    Andrew's subscribers will be motivated by "I like Andrew and his blog", not "If I don't pay, I'll lose access". That means he can safely ditch the meter and do it completely donation-based, with pledge drives and rewards.

    In fact, this is exactly what anyone contemplating a paywall should do, ever.

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