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UTAH CITIZENS DEMANDING CLEAN AIR - Join the Rally, 1/10/2013 @ 12:30 PM

The announcement from Utah's Healthy Environment Alliance of Utah - HEAL

Heal Utah Rally January 10, 2013 1230PM Salt Palace

Utahns, are you aware that industry is fouling our air and that the Governor and Legislature are blaming you instead?  Are you aware we, the citizens, are a test case?

I highly recommend reading the comments below.  Residents of Salt Lake have provided some great information and insight.

From conservative KSL news, no less.  This is the actual title of this recent KSL news article, not mine.

Utah's air may be killing you

Utah has been an important test case in determining the awful effects of poor air quality and research from Brigham Young University which studied Utah's air was key in developing national pollution standards in the US. But Utah's air isn't getting any better.
Sure, we are all pleased as punch to pitch in and breathe the filthy air.  We'll let you know how we're doing, K?  Well, actually lots of people are doing really poorly:

The in-depth story can be found here:

Clearing the air: That air you're breathing may be slowly killing you

As you read the following and are tempted to think it's the inversion problem, consider this.  Yes, we suffer from inversions and that was known from day one.  Wouldn't you think that responsible development would have followed?  Not only did that not happen, it's almost as if Utah worked hard to make sure the air quality would be doomed to be toxic forever.

Governor Herbert gave our poor air quality a lot of thought.  Herbert concluded and recommends that it's our fault and we, the people, need to cut back.  

Ok Gov, we'll cut back on driving, we'll use less heat/air conditioning, and end fireplace use even though public transportation is poor/expensive, there are almost no school buses to transport our kids to and from school, and its freezing in winter and like living underneath a blow dryer set on HIGH during the summer.

According to Governor Herbert, industry is doing a great job and no room there improvements.

Ahem, Governor.  Here's a pesky fact:   The transportation and industrial sectors lead State energy demand.  Some days it seems there are more trucks than cars on our roads, truly.

Herbert's dirty air solution, US, asks US to ALSO believe that our now-nationally-famous poor air quality has nothing to do with the fact that most of our energy comes from dirty coal, and/or the five, large Oil Refineries* on the north border of Salt Lake County, and/or the open-pit Copper Mine on the west border, and/or this 4 square mile sand pit on the South Border of Salt Lake County..  Btw, the almost constant wind from the south gently tosses the sand pit dust over the entire Salt Lake valley as it is poured into the line of huge diesel trucks lined up 24/7 to transport the booty around the state.

Here's another Picture of Sand Pit which measures 4 square miles.  In the last few years huge, new housing developments were built adjacent to this pit.  BYU might want add this development to their study by checking in with these families to see what the impact is on their health:

4 Sq Mile Sand Pit, Salt Lake City, Utah

Utah refineries have to get busier.  

The new 400-mile pipeline is scheduled for completion by the end of 2010 and would connect Salt Lake City refineries to the southern Utah area on its way to southern Nevada.
Crazy, right.  With most of the state uninhabited, the refineries have to be located and pollute the most densely populated area in the state.  Mind freaking boggling.

And these refineries have dismal records.  Safety records show hundreds of violations at Utah refineries

*Holly Refinery applied for permit to double its capacity.  Yes, the exploding Holly Refinery.

This week, there was a Public Meeting Held To Discuss Holly Refinery Expansion

Herbert and the Utah Legislature don't give a crap about air quality.


While we are looking at air quality, it should be mentioned that the Governor and Legislature, along with BLM also seem hell bent on destroying Utah's water, possibly including the Colorado River.  Why not!  We need more gas and oil!

First up, the area of Salt Lake County I live in is drinking water from a huge aquifer into which Kennecot Mining waste water has been dumped for 150 years.  Yum.  I don't even cook with this water.  The solids exceed 800 ppl or whatever the measurement is.  I tested it.  The arsenic is within EPA standards.  Well, that's a comfort.

The following are some news items about what's happening in Utah to destroy our air and water.  

Much of the tar sand and oil/gas wells are near the Green River which flows into the Colorado River, neither of which seem to concern the State, the FEDs, or the developers.  BLM will likely allow Tar Sand extraction on 830,000 acres!

Ruling Exempting First U.S. Tar Sands Mine from Water Pollution Monitoring Is Challenged

In 2010, the NYTimes reported Air Quality Concerns May Dictate Uintah Basin's Natural Gas Drilling Future

Undeterred by the toxic air in Uinta Basin

The Interior Department on Tuesday approved Anadarko Petroleum’s plan to drill 3,675 new natural gas wells in Utah’s Uintah basin'

In short, Utah air is doomed unless some miracles take place.  Utah's water and maybe the Colorado River are doomed, unless miracles take place.

Short term profits and short term energy fixes will destroy so much in Utah and elsewhere.

Utah and the US are becoming the new Africa.  Our resources will be stripped, depleted, and we will be left trying to survive.

It was so avoidable.  Can Utah's air be cleaned up?  

Originally posted to War on Error on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 11:35 AM PST.

Also republished by Community Spotlight.


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  •  Don't leave out the Chamber of Commerce. They've (21+ / 0-)

    teamed with DEQ and Herbert to remind the public that we all have to do our part. And they've got a nice dog and pony show that they drag out anywhere and everywhere with visuals "proving", at a minimum, that the refineries and Kennecott are not the problem. It's really passenger cars, summer barbeques, and dry cleaners.

    And then this coming Thurs. and Fri. Herbert has his energy Summit at the Salt Palace. The schedule is super heavy on oil and gas (including Oil Shale and Tar Sands), but alt energy is allowed to attend, display, etc. if it wants to. All of the heavy hitters will be there, and it's planned so that a great time will be had by all.

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 12:16:06 PM PST

  •  I do believe it can improve (12+ / 0-)

    if we can get the will of the people behind it and don't underestimate the influence the church can have if they are moved to act.

    Having lived in Utah pretty much all of my life I have to say the visible nasty air is much better than it was 40 or so yrs ago when they cracked down on Kennecott. The stacks that this replaced were awful. The refineries aren't anymore powerful in the state than Kennecott was.

    Yes we will always have inversions but, IMO TRAX and Front Runner will make a difference. A couple yrs ago my grandson's yearly science project was measuring the pollution at the Spaghetti Bowl and at the mouth of Parley's. Awesome difference, cars matter.

    "The scientific nature of the ordinary man is to go on out and do the best you can." John Prine

    by high uintas on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 12:40:19 PM PST

  •  Today is especially repulsive. (13+ / 0-)

    My eyes and nose are burning, even inside.  I've sent the kids up the mountain so they can get some fresh air.
    Check it out:  We're literally off the scale for bad air today.

    "On their backs were vermiculate patterns that were maps of the world in its becoming. Maps...of a thing which could not be put back. Not be made right again."

    by middleagedhousewife on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 01:08:41 PM PST

  •  drove near SLC Friday (9+ / 0-)

    Thank you for this timely and informative post. I was traveling back home to NM from Seattle last week, with a stop at Moab on Friday. I could see the bad air inversion as I approached the valley on I-84, and on the radio heard about a yellow alert and predicted red alert for air quality. It was already difficult for me to see (with burning eyes) when I was near Ogden, that I did not venture farther into the valley or SLC. I could see the thick inversion from Heber. I also noted the strong oil refinery odor, so sorry that the residents in Utah have to experience that smell and the unhealthy air. Good luck and I hope something can be done, soon!

    We have dust and wood fire smoke in NM - Rio Grande valley, but generally the air clears out in the Taos area. Although with the below zero temps we've been having, the smoke inversion layer stays put near the ground until a storm pushes it away. I could see the smoke layer as I drove in to the Rio Grande valley.

    •  Ogden was clear until today (4+ / 0-)
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      I used to drive from Davis toSLC everyday for work.
      I would see the freeway signs saying to drive less cuz of the air quality.
      Then I took Beck St and went past the refineries, the huge gravel pit and past the Capital.
      Few years back there was a bill about air quality.
      It was voted down cuz it had the words Climate Change in it.
      These Congress whores sit at a top of hill overlooking the city.
      For almost that whole month, they could not see it and it was less then a mile.
      There is a group of doctors working on doing something about it.
      Thanks for a great diary, WOE.
      The Holly one is the one in Woods Cross that blew up?  
      Your next diary could be about the FUBARED Chevron oil spill.
      When people were suing cuz their ponds were fouled, the comment board was brutal.
      Actually, it usually is.
      For a supposedly 'Christian' State, I do not see much Christianity on the comment board.

      America never needed so much in the last election and got so little.

      by snoopydawg on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 04:44:53 PM PST

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  •  I live in Salt Lake, I have severe COPD (14+ / 0-)

    I recently went on disability because I was no longer able to work. I volunteered to take part in some research being done at the U to study the effects of these temperature inversions on people like me. I went out to the Lung Study Center to take a breathing test last Friday. I'll be going back to the relatively clean air of rural Indiana where I was born and raised before summer because my lungs just can't take this bad air anymore. I am sucking on oxygen right now and don't go outside unless absolutely necessary. People like me are the canaries in the coal mine.

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    by rmonroe on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 02:41:34 PM PST

  •  send the governor a letter yesterday and I (7+ / 0-)

    contributed to this kickstarter campaign which is trying to finish a film about the air quality. Consider pitching in if you can!
    Help finish this film!

    "You've got to stop this war in Afghanistan." final words of R Holbrooke

    by UTvoter on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 02:52:14 PM PST

  •  need to leave work soon but i don't want to go (12+ / 0-)

    outside...bleh. here's a picture from an old inversion, taken from little cottonwood canyon looking's worse today.


    "You've got to stop this war in Afghanistan." final words of R Holbrooke

    by UTvoter on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 02:55:39 PM PST

  •  I don't understand what you're trying to (0+ / 0-)

    communicate in this diary and I don't know why this piece is on the recommend list..

    The diarist spends all of their time trying to get everyone to demonize the governor and the industrial sources over air quality problems.   As someone with 40 years professional experience dealing with air quality and environmental protection in the non-profit sector, I can tell you that such a approach is not likely to be successful in doing anything to improve air quality.  

    What works is not telling the public to hate electric utilities and petroleum refineries, but instead to explain to the public exactly what emissions are occurring, from which particular sources, which have specific compliance problems and addressing the effects of the emissions on pollutant concentrations and explaining what the health effects are of such ambient air exposures.

    •  Don't know what you find (2+ / 0-)
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      So confusing about this diary.
      The Governor has kept many bills that would help from happening. That is why he isvdemonizing him.
      The refineries ARE the problem here. Them and the huge gravel pits, sand pits and the giant open pit copper mine.
      Do some research about why we have shitty air every winter then maybe you will understand.
      And yes, part of the problem is we are in a bowl, but that isn't most of it.

      America never needed so much in the last election and got so little.

      by snoopydawg on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:10:29 PM PST

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      •  Kennecott question (1+ / 0-)
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        Isn't Kennecott the largest private sector employers of unionized employees in Utah?

        I used to be able to ride my bike to the front gate from where I live, so I don't like our air either.

        But it looks like the recommendations in this diary's comments include lots of layoffs and some of Utah's few unionized employers.

      •  You may be right (0+ / 0-)

        that the refineries are the big problem, along with the gravel pits and the copper mine.  But the linked newspaper article didn't make a very good case against those specific entities, especially regarding  the potential sources of those dangerous levels of fine particulate.

        I just hope you can target the appropriate culprits, and get the air cleaned up.

      •  If your subject is Utah air quality (0+ / 0-)

        then what you should be talking about is stewardship of air resources and air quality science, and not politics.

        The air quality problems of SLT and the other valley communities are caused by the combined action of numerous emission sources, both in the valley and also from transport from outside of the region.   If you are dealing with air quality science in this particular region, you have to address the relationship between emissions sources and ambient receptors in the community plus the effects of long range transport of air pollution, notably from power plant sources elsewhere in UT and NV.

        A substantial air quality problem is PM 2.5, which is presently occurring in Code Red conditions tonight.   Such PM 2.5 community air pollution can't be attributed solely to local sources and if you are honestly trying to educate the public about air pollution in UT, you should be using good stewardship care in giving a scientific and medically defensible view of these problems.  

        "PM 2.5" never is mentioned in your UT air quality diary and I find that to indicate that you're only trying to engage the issue on a energy-industry-power-relationship-basis and not on an air quality science basis which is what is needed and required for public health and environmental protection.

        •  And who has the power to do so? or not to? (0+ / 0-)

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 07:04:26 PM PST

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          •  You are the person who has the power (2+ / 0-)
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            over whether what you communicate, the way you communicate, what your objective is and the scientific defensibility of what you are saying as to Utah air quality either is, or is not, reflective of air quality stewardship and an air conservation plan.

            In order to win a dispute as to air quality in Utah, you have to have and promote your own plan for emission control across both point, area-wide and mobile sources of emissions.

            There isn't any substitute for going through this process if your primary goal is improving air quality in UT for the most important parameter of concern, PM 2.5.

            •  Dear, I am just a messenger, not a scientist (0+ / 0-)

              Do you see the irony in your criticising me for criticising the Governor?

              You have stated you are a scientist.  Where are your plans to help us based on the information provided?

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 09:00:55 PM PST

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              •  If you want to improve air quality (0+ / 0-)

                in utah, there is no substitute for doing the following:

                1.  tracking proposed permits and filing comments, as well as compliance statuts, on all of the major emission sources.

                2.  getting involved in PM 2.5 Utah State Implementation Plan development, and ozone plan development as well.

                3.  Getting vehicle emission testing in place for NOX control and getting gasoline loading vapor recovery for tank filling at gas stations.

                4.   Getting SO 2 and NOX Reasonable Available Control Technology in place at all major emission sources.

                5.  Enact more stringent air permitting requirements for smaller new and modified sources than is presently being required by Utah.   (i.e. considering major modifications at less than 40 tons per year and new sources at less than 100 tons per year for ozone and PM 2.5 precursor pollutants.

                6.   Getting all hydrocarbon recovery sources in the oil and gas industry under the required VOC and HAP emission controls recently announced by EPA covering natural gas sources.

       the current Holly Refinery matter, they should not be allowed to remove floating roof covers from crude oil tanks handling paraffin crude they want to convert to.

              •  Most of all....don't make it 'personal' (0+ / 0-)

                The whole idea is that in order to improve air quality, you are under a burden of demonstrating leadership as an air pollution control and air resources steward.   You can't carry that responsibility out in order to show the State and regulated emission sources unless you have a different and better stewardship plan than the facility stewardship offered by regulated emission sources.

                To be effective in actually improving air quality you have to make what I call the 'complainer to worker' transition.   Making political attacks that are not part of specific fact/policy initiatives that directly and determinately address specific problems is just mostly irrelevant and distracting to the task at hand.

      •  PM 2.5 and ozone are the top UT air quality (0+ / 0-)

        problems, so if you are engaging in an air quality science-based discussion about what the problem is and what to do about it, you'd better be addressing the problem in a manner that actually addresses the sources of pre-cursor pollutants to PM 2.5 and ozone.

        While large mining operations and sand pits and open pit mines are significant sources of PM10, they are not very important for as PM 2.5 sources unless they are accompanied by smelting or other types of processing involving large amounts of fuel combustion.

  •  Utah's air can be made better (2+ / 0-)
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    but, you're in a more or less closed basin. It will take a lot of good tech to do so.

    Mexico City suffers from the same problem, and has since it was a series of city-states surrounding a shallow lake.

    The best thing that could have happened is if human beings had never come to the Salt Lake Valley in large numbers. But you are all never leaving, and that's okay. So you clean up the air as best you can.

    just a little bit bored.

    by terrypinder on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 03:46:47 PM PST

    •  Effects of polluted air on lungs (2+ / 0-)
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      As I mentioned earlier in the comments I have COPD and am taking part in research at the U on the effects of polluted air on people with lung problems. As I said the researchers told me that the numbers from lung tests don't seem to be any worse on bad air days than on good ones. I have my own oxymeter which measures the oxygen in my blood. I started measuring it daily since the aversion started and these numbers haven't dropped either. I worry about the long term effects on the children growing up here. They know that it affects people in an adverse way but don't really understand what is going on inside the lungs when dirty air is breathed.

      Play chess for the Kossacks on Join the site, then the group at

      by rmonroe on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 04:14:06 PM PST

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    •  bug business owns the legislature (1+ / 0-)
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      War on Error

      the republicans have such a large supermajority they don't fit into their caucus room.

      the gov came out of the legislature.  

      we need the LDS church leadership to go to bat for clean air, or it will NEVER happen.  

      Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

      by jlms qkw on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:01:43 PM PST

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  •  I read the linked article (3+ / 0-)
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    and I am confused about exactly what are the pollution problems and who is causing it.

    Next to the story is a bar chart showing there are lots of high-ozone days.  Most ozone problems are caused by volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and oxides of nitrogen  (NOx), and car and truck tailpipe emissions would be the likely culprits.

    Then the story says fine dust (PM 2.5) levels are also seriously high.  There are probably separate culprits for PM 2.5, maybe including the sand mine the diarist mentioned.  The sand dust would also contain silica, which causes cancer in some countries.

    Then public authorities blame old truck engines for "nitrous oxide"  problems.  That's laughing gas. Are they really referring to Oxides of Nitrogen, which contributes to ozone?

    And finally the authorities blame the coal fired units at Kennecott, which they say are 30% of the problem.  Whether they mean the ozone, or the fine dust problem, they don't say.  Maybe both.  But industry altogether is only 20% of the total air pollution.  How can one single industrial site produce more pollution than all of the area's industries combined?

    Kennecott's coal burning, and dust from its mining and tailings waste piles, are certainly big pollution sources that worsen ozone and dust violations, but I cannot calculate how Kennecott would possibly amount for 30% of the pollution. And I hate Kennecott.  I fought them hard on their new tailings dams a decade ago.

    The elevated air pollution in the Salt Lake vicinity is tragic and truly is killing people when it violates air quality standards, but better reporting would help pinpoint the real culprits.

    (tipped & Rec'ced)

    •  Today's problem is particulate pollution below (4+ / 0-)

      2.5 micrometers in diameter.  Salt Lake City and Provo are pushing levels reaching 80 micrograms per cubic meter (daily recommended levels in the US are 35 micrograms per cubic meter over an eight hour period).  The levels today are assessed by EPA as being "unhealthy".

      Major sources of wintertime particulates are black carbon (soot from cars and wood burning) and nitrates (largely from automobiles).  Power plant emissions of sulfur dioxide are also in the mix but with low solar angles, the formation of sulfate aerosol takes longer than in the summer.

      USU supported an air quality study last winter from their energy dynamics lab, but later in the year, that institute had "their plug pulled."

      Understanding this problem is not a two week process and one field experiment.  The State needs to make a commitment to cleaning the air.

      Boehner - yes; Cantor - No; Ryan - Yes; Issa -No, let's call the whole thing off.

      by captainlaser on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:37:28 PM PST

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      •  I'd also be asking (3+ / 0-)

        the regulators about what percentage of crystalline silica is in those high levels of fine dust. Dust from the Sand mines, and probably Kennecott, may contain lots of silica, which is essentially like breathing broken glass.

        Percentages of Silica and other trace metals could also provide a "signature" that would help identify the dust sources.

        •  Thank you for raising the silica issue (0+ / 0-)

          It concerns me, but I really, really worry about the young families buying the homes built right next to the huge sand pit on the south end of Salt Lake city.  My friend lives near there and finds sand in the bath tub when the water has drained out.  Could there be silica IN the water, too?

          Honestly, where the heck is the EPA in Utah?

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:23:33 PM PST

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        •  Silicates should be in a larger size fraction than (2+ / 0-)
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          PM2.5 (like PM10 or 10 micrometer size dust).  If you can wipe your finger across the dust and see it on your finger, it is likely to be large particles (sorry, large is all relative, but related to the size of particles that can penetrate deep into your lungs, 10 um is large).

          Silicon is a significant fraction of SLC aerosol... there is a paper by Tesh Rao of EPA which shows the significance of total crustal material on SLC (as compared to other cities)

          Paper here

          Boehner - yes; Cantor - No; Ryan - Yes; Issa -No, let's call the whole thing off.

          by captainlaser on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 07:55:23 PM PST

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      •  first paragraph has an error (1+ / 0-)
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        The current national ambient air quality standard for PM 2.5 is 35 micrograms per cubic meter for 24 hour average.   There is an annual standard but not 8 hr standard.

        However, if you are looking at reported values of PM 2.5 today, those are not taken by the same monitors as are used under the federal reference method for measuring compliance with the PM 2.5 NAAQS.

        If you are seeing numbers like 80 ug/M3, those are probably hourly averages and not 24 hour averages as that is how TEOM PM 2.5 monitors work and report their data.

        It is not proper to compare a 1 hour average reported for PM 2.5 with the numerical value of the 24 hour standard for purposes of determining whether the national ambient air quality standard for PM 2.5 has been exceeded.

        •  Captainlaser's (1+ / 0-)
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          link to the SmogBlog shows some Pm 2.5 detection meters in the SLC Basin  probably averaged over 50-60 ug/M3 recently as a 24-hour average, since they are reading 60-80 ug/M3 every hour on the hour for 24 hours.

          This link is a couple of comments downthread.

  •  as a native, this is sad (3+ / 0-)
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    I miss the mountains, I miss the desert, I miss the big sky. But I don't miss the short-sighted jackasses who have allowed it to be abused and squandered. is America's Blog of Record

    by WI Deadhead on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 04:25:58 PM PST

  •  Today's air quality is abysmal in Salt Lake City (5+ / 0-)

    and Provo.

    See the levels the Smog Blog today for a graph of the particulate measurements across the state.

    Boehner - yes; Cantor - No; Ryan - Yes; Issa -No, let's call the whole thing off.

    by captainlaser on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:23:21 PM PST

  •  And it's something other than MLM (0+ / 0-)

    The other problem is that construction and trucking generate jobs for Utah's microscopic Democratic population.

    Who is this Ibsen fellow that you keep talking about and who is this Enemy Of The People?

  •  Sitting in Salt Lake with a bad cold (3+ / 0-)
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    And afraid to go outside into the polluted air.

    Hey, Republicans, the whole world is watching.

    by TAH from SLC on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:41:12 PM PST

    •  I'm sorry. I'm fighting this one off, too. (1+ / 0-)
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      did you see my home remedy diary?

      I spent three hours clearing ice off my driveway/sidewalks on a bad air day.  I think that is what got me!

      Hope you feel better soon.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:24:45 PM PST

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  •  There's an old joke that perhaps still applies (4+ / 0-)

    Standing at the mouth of Emigration Canyon today and looking westward, rather than "This is the Place," one might observe that "This is a Disgrace."

    And yes, I know it's old.

    Alpacas spit if you piss them off. So don't do that.

    by alpaca farmer on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:25:03 PM PST

  •  physicians for clean air (2+ / 0-)
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    War on Error, ballerina X

    they have a website somewhere.

    200 utahns die prematurely every year, minimum.  from the dirty air.  

    Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

    by jlms qkw on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:56:16 PM PST

  •  How do you change this ? - a suggestion (1+ / 0-)
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    War on Error


    Need your help

    I have placed a new petition on the whitehouse web site - " End our use of fossil fuels within 40 years "

    As you know, air quality not to mention biological diversity is negatively impacted by climate change/ fossil fuel use.

    Please take a look

    If you feel this has merit, please consider signing

    Needs 150 signatures to become generally visible at the Whitehouse website


    Barry Allen

    •  I know I will check this out, Barry (0+ / 0-)

      and hope others will as well.

      I think the petition might benefit having a diary posted.  Hope you will do so.

      Our Governor, in support of coal, oil, gas, and nuclear is looking at 19th century solutions when, especially here in sunny, windy, geothermically compatible Utah.

      Utah should be leading the way with green energy.  We have the Universities, the staff, oodles of billion and millionaires.  There's no excuse for Tar Sands and thousands of  fracking wells near the Green and White Rivers which flow into the Colorado, a 400 mile oil piple line from SLC to Nevada, expanding refineries in the middle of neighborhoods, and the list can go on forever.

      We have Dinosaurs running this State.  We need some new leaders desparately.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 09:07:31 PM PST

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      •  New leadership isn't going to happen here (1+ / 0-)
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        Huntsman was the best we can hope for; now with the Legislature about 80% Republican, they literally go into closed-door caucuses to decide on what bills will pass, and then come out into the light of day to pas them while willfully ignoring Democrats. New County Mayor Ben McAdams and SLC Mayor Ralph Becker, with help from the EPA, may be enough to force some changes.

        The DEQ was supposed to submit a plan for attainment of PM2.5 standards in the greater SLC area by December 14, 2012, which it missed. That same day the EPA dropped the PM2.5 standard to 12 µg/m3 (see, a level that may be impossible for the SLC area to attain. SIP information here:

        This fight with the EPA continues to move forward, and is one that the state of Utah will inevitably lose, which will be good for all of us that live here.

        "I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." A. Einstein

        by bewert on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 12:37:21 PM PST

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  •  Time to move (2+ / 0-)
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    War on Error, HeyMikey

    Drought caused by climate change is going to make the southwest uninhabitable soon. It's a pity, because that part of the country holds a big part of the solution to global warming through solar energy. But with reduced water availability the southwest won't sustain as many people as in the past.

    I predict an exodus over the next twenty years. If I were living in Utah, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico I'd be looking to move before real estate started to nosedive.

  •  The way to phrase it, is as a conspiracy.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... as a plot by protestant business leaders, to kill off the Mormon faith.

    Then, you might get through the republicanism of the state's citizens, to their instinct for self-preservation.

    There is no reason for ANY emissions from a refinery, other than CO2 and water.

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