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If you can get at the comments or recs of my diary naming Braveheart, PLEASE REMOVE RECS AND/OR HR.  Thank you.


Rich in PA informed me that Braveheart's father did not want her publicly named.

The father of an Indian woman who died after being gang raped on a Delhi bus has denied a British newspaper report that he wanted his daughter named.
I put forward that other diary because I believed it was what the murdered woman's family wanted.  Now I have deleted it for the same reason.  
"I have only said we won't have any objection if the government uses my daughter's name for a new law for crime against women that is more stringent and better framed that the existing one," the Hindustan Times quoted him as saying.
I quoted the Daily Mirror because I had seen a similar report about the father's wishes (that he wanted it publicized, without naming the name) on BBC News.  I made a mistake, and I apologize.

I can't seem to change the title of the previous diary, which still appears on the Rec List even though the diary itself has been deleted.  (Which also means I can't edit it.)  I have put in a Help Desk request.  If you have any other suggestions, please let me know.

5:39 PM PT: The title has now been removed from the Rec List.  

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  •  Sorry, I meant to delete that diary before I wrote (2+ / 0-)
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    flumptytail, Lujane

    this one; apparently "unpublish" does not delete?  Anyway, it's gone now.

    © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

    by cai on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:12:27 PM PST

  •  It still shows her name on the wreck list. (6+ / 0-)

    Please change the title at least. Thanks.

    I get to choose, and I choose love.

    by Melanie in IA on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:16:13 PM PST

  •  The Times of India pulled all of their articles... (3+ / 0-)
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    statsone, cai, peacestpete

    ...about the case from their website, presumably to prevent commenters from repeating the name.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:19:12 PM PST

  •  The title no longer appears on the Rec List. (2+ / 0-)
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    Hey338Too, peacestpete

    Thank you, admins.

    © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

    by cai on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 05:35:12 PM PST

  •  Given the situation, the admins would (1+ / 0-)
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    probably be very helpful in trying to scrub the site.  Have you asked them?

    And good for you for being sensitive and dilligent.

    Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

    by bkamr on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 06:43:25 PM PST

    •  The diary title is off the Rec List, and the diary (1+ / 0-)
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      is deleted; those with links can still view comments, but I consider deleting them shutting the gate after the horse is out of the barn -- those who read my previous diary can't unread it, y'know?

      I suppose one could find the name if one searched the comments of someone who commented on that diary, but the Daily Mirror story is still up, too.  I can't erase the name from the internet, just limit the damage.

      I think scrubbing it entirely would be a lot of work and I'm not sure if it would have any appreciable effect.  But if you think it would help, feel free to add onto my topic on the Help Desk or start your own thread.  I certainly wouldn't mind if it disappeared entirely.

      © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

      by cai on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 07:29:10 PM PST

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      •  You know, in most cases, I would say it'd (0+ / 0-)

        probably not be worth the bother.

        However, in an instance like this ... I think that Kos and the admins may just take it as not "a bother," but rather as a reverent opportunity and responsibility in line with the values of this community  -- just like you are trying to do everything you can.

        Just like other even large News sources are doing. I just thought I'd mention it, because I thought they may actually appreciate being given the opportunity by being notified.

        Plutocracy (noun) Greek ploutokratia, from ploutos wealth; 1) government by the wealthy; 2) 21st c. U.S.A.; 3) 22nd c. The World

        by bkamr on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 09:10:50 PM PST

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  •  Complicated: some Indian govt don't want her named (0+ / 0-)

    because they don't want a martyr, and don't want protests/riots. A nameless victim's image is easier to manage. Others in the Indian government (e.g. Shashi Tharoor) do want her named. (Any 10 year-old could now find it on the internet, but that's not the point.)

    The government factions who oppose naming her (the police, and maybe right-wing BJP?) pressured the father to retract use of her name. (I know this firsthand from two separate journalists who have lived and reported in India for more than six years. One wrote a story using the victim's name, as other reporters did, and the publisher was pressured by the government to retract it -- pressure not coming from the father.)

    With great respect and admiration for cai's concerns and caution (thank you!) I'm avoiding using her name or supplying links, but here are some things the father initially said, according to British press:

    [He] said he wants 'the world to know' the name of his daughter... "I am proud of her. Revealing her name will give courage to other women who have survived these attacks."
    India gang rape victim's father: I want the world to know my daughter's name is... Devastated dad tells [this paper] he hopes revealing her name will give courage to other women who have survived such attacks
    Delhi gang-rape: Victim's father wants world to know her real name
    The father is pictured in his dirt-floor room, on his straw-mattress bed.

    In the 'retraction', in the Hindustan Times and The Hindu newspapers, the quotes attributed to the father sound suspiciously polished and precise.

    It's wise and caring of cai to err on the side of caution and not reveal the name!

    It's all well and good (and very American) to ask ourselves 'what do the father and mother want?', but my guess is it's not that simple. The father is of humble background, earning $106/month [sic, $3.50/day], and is likely completely overwhelmed not only with grief but also by the media onslaught and the politicization of his daughter's death, as anyone would be. (Not all politicization is bad, as this blog well knows, and the father seems to support some of it, to prevent future abuses.) The mother is not quoted.

    A followup BBC article about the decision to retract her name, says:

    The laws on identification were introduced to protect victims from the social stigma associated with rape, and apply even after the death of the victim.
    Although the system has not always been watertight, the high-profile case has brought a tough stance from the authorities. [I.e. the law is being applied harder in this case than others.]
    Police filed a case against broadcaster Zee News after it carried an interview with the friend who was with the victim during the attack.
    The victim's friend was not named but his face was shown and police are investigating whether Zee News broke broadcasting laws relating to disclosure of the victim's identity.
    However, it remains unclear what could be done if the father chose to publicly name his daughter.
    Got that? The police filed a case against a TV station simply for showing the face of the friend. And the question was what could they (police) do against the father if he named his daughter!

    As with many things in India, there are multiple layers to this story. Most of the world is not like the US, and it's not insightful to do a one-to-one transposition of our norms. (Just one example: the father says her friend "was not her boyfriend" – "There was no question of her marrying because we belong to different castes.")

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