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As you can probably tell by the title, I'm tired of trying to reason with a group of people who would let the country fall to anarchy just to spite the rest of us. I understand that not everyone who is conservative is unreasonable, but the fact that they've been able to control virtually every area of dialogue in this country almost unchecked leaves people like me feeling defenseless.

Of course, in the process, they've also managed to pin the blame for their stupidity over the last 3 decades on the rest of us because their backers have seemingly endless torrents of cash to throw into ad campaigns all over the media. Words and facts are nothing to them. Morals? Nope, they don't care about those things either, and often times, that attitude is mirrored in their kids and grand kids. Stuebenville is a perfect example of this. They blame us for that too, and I'm just plain sick of it.

The party of so-called 'personal responsibility' refuses to own up to anything they've done, and have dragged the rest of us so far to the right that anything even remotely sane is considered communist.

Like I said, I'm done arguing with conservatives. It's a fruitless effort that drains one's sanity and I can't take anymore.

See you around,

Homer

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  •  Tip Jar (13+ / 0-)

    I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

    by Homer177 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:36:41 AM PST

  •  I do the same thing (7+ / 0-)

    I'll express my view, and they can express their view. I'm not interested in convincing people who are beyond reasoning. I'm more interested in making sure those who can form a rational opinion are aware of my views. So I do make sure my views are expressed.

    We were not ahead of our time, we led the way to our time.

    by i understand on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:41:35 AM PST

  •  I quit a about a year ago, for two reasons (6+ / 0-)

    1) it had become boring, and 2) I could think of so many better ways to spend my time.

    “Social Security has nothing to do with balancing a budget or erasing or lowering the deficit.” -- Ronald Reagan, 1984 debate with Walter Mondale

    by RJDixon74135 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:53:25 AM PST

  •  Still. it's useful to have a convenient dismissal (4+ / 0-)

    ready, like

    "If you're happy with that, then good for you"
    "I'll give that the attention it's due"
    "Good luck in your future endeavors",
    "I was just saying the same thing to my dining room table".  
    Or maybe just an enthusiastic handshake and a cheery "Goodbye!"

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:54:42 AM PST

  •  I feel the same way about my marriage... (1+ / 0-)
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    hnichols
  •  I am with you... (2+ / 0-)
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    ahumbleopinion, SilentBrook

    Its actually quite depressing.  Many of my conservative friends seem to be really caring people when I talk to them face to face, but then their Facebook posts leave me breathless with their hatred, small-mindedness and cruelty.  Its a weird phenomena.  I tend to wonder if its partly media driven.  I swear Glen Beck, Anne Coulter and their ilk wouldn't have been given air time in years past, so horrid is their speech.  They would have been shunned.

    Also I remember when threatening succession would have been met with horrified  dismay and you would have been shunned in the public square.  Now its no big deal and bears no social consequence..  

    "Life is short, our work lasts longer" Rose Wilder Lane

    by HarpLady on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:57:54 AM PST

    •  Yes. One of the reasons they manage.. (1+ / 0-)
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      to get away with so much of their crap is because they deregulated virtually everything that kept them in check.

      Nowadays all they have to do is use pseudo-intellectual dog whistle language like 'Cultural Marxism' and they can get people to do or say any stupid thing they want.

      I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

      by Homer177 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:15:05 AM PST

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  •  Talking to Elephants (3+ / 0-)
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    hnichols, SilentBrook, raincrow

    About a week ago I wrote adiary on this subject.  They think differently from us, but some of them can be reached.  There were some good points raised in the discussion, too.

    www.tapestryofbronze.com

    by chloris creator on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 07:59:21 AM PST

  •  What, you don't like being shouted down? (2+ / 0-)
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    ahumbleopinion, SilentBrook

    Because that's pretty much the only tactic they have left.

    Conservatives and their ilk can't win on the facts, or rhetorically any more.

    So they've resorted to bullying and shouting down their enemies.  When that doesn't work, they get more insidious with Stochastic Terrorist tactics.

    I'm for standing up to them, and not letting them control the dialogue.  Yeah, occasionally, I'll stand alone.  Just means that people aren't paying attention to that particular argument at that time.

    When they ARE paying attention, we win.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:09:09 AM PST

    •  Your point is a good one. (1+ / 0-)
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      SilentBrook

      I agree, there are plenty of folks out there who are willing to listen. It's getting them to listen that's most difficult. The main problem is that it's all too easy for things to turn into a shouting match.

      I write a series called 'My Life as an Aspie', documenting my experiences before and after my A.S. diagnosis as a way to help fellow Aspies and parents of Aspies and spread awareness. If I help just one person by doing this, then I've served a purpose.

      by Homer177 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:20:13 AM PST

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  •  I still try as long as the discussion can be about (1+ / 0-)
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    facts and reality.  When it turns to racist or bigoted nonsensical talking points, I recognize it is hopeless and move on.

    “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

    by ahumbleopinion on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 08:29:50 AM PST

  •  I'm at the point and laugh phase. (2+ / 0-)
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    I tried talking it out until I realized the person of the moment was just parroting what s/he heard on television or the radio which when you think about it is truly frightening.  I mean who would just repeat stuff they heard without actually checking it out for themselves?  And then choose to argue about it?  There's a pathology there.  I liken it to kids who see something cool on TV and then try to mimic it without understanding the whole argument.  That's why these guys are called dittoheads, right?

    Now I just focus on my goals and when someone wants to share with me new "facts" about the President or those evil [insert the flavor of the day], I just smile, shake my head and say "that's not true".  Then I make a beeline away from the person.  I don't have time for nonsense.

  •  Sometimes I will argue with them, generally (1+ / 0-)
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    in a public venue.  Even if this doesn't change their mind, they often find that not everyone agrees with their point of view and that, in itself, is instructive.

    Today some facebook friend posted something really stupid about guns and every one of my rebuttals had quite a few "likes" where as none of her stuff did.

    I am working on a reply to the completely wingnut builshit about how Sandyhook was staged.

    "I watch Fox News for my comedy, and Comedy Central for my news." - Facebook Group

    by Sychotic1 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 11:34:49 AM PST

  •  The only thing I've seen work (1+ / 0-)
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    You can't argue with them.  Confrontation causes believers to reinforce their faith.  

    The only thing I've ever seen work is to question their intention while planting a seed.  Don't waste your time fighting the zombie lies: that takes forever one-on-one.  

    Either they educate themselves to break through their echo chamber, or they are discussing something in bad faith and nothing you could say would matter either way.

  •  Conservatives don't want anarchy (0+ / 0-)

    Anarchy implies a lack of hierarchy/authority, and that is not what conservatives are into (says the occasional anarchist sympathizer.)

    Those who support banning cocaine are no better than those who support banning cheeseburgers

    by EthrDemon on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 01:01:06 PM PST

  •  My only 2 tactics left: (1+ / 0-)
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    Homer177

    (1) Ask the more thoughtful ones, "What is your vision for America and the lives of common Americans?"

    (2) As for the dogmatists, I've set forth my rules about arguing politics: we take a laptop to an establishment that serves alcohol and has wifi, and we agree to argue for at least 2 uninterrupted hours. We will argue on the FACTS or we will not argue at all. How many takers do you think I've had since I laid down these groundrules? Yep: bupkiss. Cowards.

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 01:04:25 PM PST

  •  This is why I only ever argue with (0+ / 0-)

    liberals -- they're the only ones who (tend to) have a consistent political philosophy with which you can have an actual political argument. Of course, this means people tend to think I'm more conservative than I actually am, because I'm always arguing from the right...

    Conservative political arguments have all the intellectual potential of an argument between small boys about whether or not Superman could beat up The Hulk.

    Visit Lacking All Conviction, your patch of grey on those too-sunny days.

    by eataTREE on Wed Jan 16, 2013 at 02:02:18 PM PST

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