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This shouldn't have happened.
In the conservative world, conspiracy theories are par for the course these days. It seems that just about every single policy proposal or major news development is the result of some hidden agenda or half-baked nefarious scheme. Doesn't matter whether it is labor and unemployment statistics, the sordid saga of birtherism, the Petraeus affair, anything and everything that George Soros has ever dared to touch, or every single thing that Glenn Beck ever said on air—evil is afoot somewhere, and only the brave world of conservative punditry can claim to bring the truth to light.

As heinous as it is, claiming that the administration fudged labor statistics in advance of an election is one thing. Even the fervent belief that the president's birth certificate is forged it least political and partisan in nature. Compared even to these feverish accusations, the idea that the tragic massacre of children at Sandy Hook was a secret government plot is beyond the pale. And yet, that belief is more prominent than you may think.

The vanguard of this effort is a video on YouTube to which I will not link here for the same reasons that Gandalf does not utter the language of Mordor. This video purports to prove that the Sandy Hook incident was not the work of a deranged mass-murderer, but that it was a carefully crafted conspiracy, that those commonly credited with helping rescue some of the children were actually paid actors (one of whom is currently being harassed on a daily basis), and that at least one of the children is actually still alive. That last theory is based on the fact that the sister of one of the victims sat on Obama's lap wearing a dress that belonged to her deceased sister, so obviously, they're the same person. That's crazy, right? I mean, the last thing you'd do if you were orchestrating a government conspiracy to murder children is to put one of those same children on the lap of the president of the United States in full view of the world? Sure, it's insane. And yet, that video has over 10 million views on YouTube, and those views are not coming from people who simply can't avert their eyes as if watching a trainwreck in slow motion. How exactly does this happen? How can so many people want to believe, much less actually believe, that the government programmed a mentally disturbed individual to murder children? The NRA is of course involved in this conversation, but this problem is a pre-existing condition that could set the stage for some very dangerous consequences.

The problem starts with the very topic of the conversation in question: namely, imposing further restrictions on the purchase of the types of guns whose sole purpose is to kill a lot of people in not a lot of time. There is a substantial group of people who are fanatically devoted to keeping as many of these weapons legal as they can, and their reasons for doing so are usually based in paranoid fears about very unlikely circumstances. As I wrote before, there are those who simply enjoy the sport of target practice. But the people who are the most dedicated to their arsenals believe that they need their mass-murder machines either for when the social order breaks down and they will need to defend themselves against urban populations invading their suburban neighborhoods, or for when the socialists, fascists, communists, or the latest shadowy group du jour take over the United States government and seek to impose tyranny.

The most avid defenders of gun rights, then, are automatically predisposed toward the idea of government conspiracies, and de facto accept violence, even against government forces if need be, as an affirmative solution. The gun lobby, meanwhile, has taken full advantage of this: They have accused President Obama of intending on confiscating guns ever since the beginning of his administration, and NRA President Wayne LaPierre openly insinuated that the recent "Fast and Furious" scandal was a secret plot to ease this intended policy. The fact that these ever-imminent gun grabs never materialize is immaterial: In the unfalsifiable narrative of the conspiratorial mind, only their eternal vigilance is preventing President Obama from unleashing an army of blue-helmeted United Nations soldiers to take away America's precious constitutional rights. Any contradictory statements or actions undertaken by the administration are simply feints to lull gun owners into complacency before the imminent confiscation. Short of allowing every household to own their own rocket launcher, there is nothing this administration could do to disprove this narrative.

The fact that this disgusting and insane conspiracy theory about Sandy Hook exists, then, cannot be seen as surprising. The very fact that Sandy Hook has prompted such a conversation about gun control only serves to reinforce the idea among an already paranoid population segment that the government must have concocted it. The main problem is, we are only at the stage where President Obama is proposing mild fixes to make it less likely that mentally disturbed individuals can commit massacres with so-called assault weapons; and even at this early phase, the right-wing gun lobby is screaming about things like tyranny and trampling of the constitution. What happens if something meaningful to keep children safe is actually enacted, whether through Congress or executive order?

This is a uniquely American pyschosis that is deeply ingrained into an alarmingly broad cross-section of our nation's fabric. It can't be removed: The only reason we are even discussing solutions is that too many innocent children have died for something not to change.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:00 PM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA and Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).

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  •  Makes sense to me... (42+ / 0-)

    Quote from the diary:

    The fact that this disgusting and insane conspiracy theory about Sandy Hook exists, then, cannot be seen as surprising.
    Nothing should be surprising when we have a major political party that has gone 100% disgusting and insane.

    I'm not sixty-two—I'm fifty-twelve!

    by Pragmatus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:04:46 PM PST

      •  Exactly.... n/t (3+ / 0-)
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        "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

        by CanisMaximus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:20:08 PM PST

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        •  The Birchers/NRA creeps need something (1+ / 0-)
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          that can be denied. A wack-job paranoid fantasy -- Sandy Hook Elementary denial --  that all but the craziest Far Right extremists can say that they "doubt it."

          -- Getting the votes of paranoids is a key for Republican survival.

          -- America has 7.5-million paranoids, applying personality disorder standards. That means people who self-generate paranoid fantasies.

          -- America has tens of millions of people who fall for externally-generated paranoid fantasies. Who have weak defenses.

          -- Since 1959 with the John Birch Society, then with Lee Atwater's 1988 outreach to "Angry White Males," going for paranoids has been a top priority for the Right.

          You will hear the standard Bircher schemes from GOPer House Members. Bachmann and her fellow bircher madmen:

          -- Government Attitude Towards Elderly Leads to Euthanasia
          -- Oppose Ratification of the UN Treaty on Disability Rights
          -- Voter Fraud
          -- Signs of a Declining Economy
          -- Russia Rising and Communism Isn't Dead  
          -- Nobel Prize Goes to EU. Communist President of EU Commission Thankful.
          -- Arab Unrest and Voter Fraud (in America, somehow)
          -- Ron Paul Drummed Out of Republican Party
          -- Questions about the Aurora Colorado Movie Shooting
          -- Attack on Christianity and Restore Religious Freedom in America
          -- United Nations Ordering U.S. Troops to War
          -- Long-term Goal of a United Nations Standing Army Behind the Syria Solution
          That's word for word from jbs.org.

          They have 150 Members in the House. They've gotten corporate media to relabel them as a "tea party."

          In fact there is little difference between JBS extremism -- carrying on about the Aurora Colorado mass murder, for example -- and the extremism of this YouTube video.

          Far Right propaganda has one organizing principle. Always.

          "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

          by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:18:38 AM PST

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      •  Check out (9+ / 0-)

        "Our president delivered his State of the Union message to Congress. - The rest of the people know the condition of the country, for they live in it, but Congress has no idea what is going on in America, so the president has to tell 'em." ~ Will Rogers

        by Lefty Coaster on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:33:09 PM PST

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        •  I love your sig line - how true!!!! (nt) (4+ / 0-)
        •  But OWS is a 'threat' and leaders (1+ / 0-)
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          deserving of assassination attempts

          Seems like ANYONE who questions government and the existing situation is a 'terrorist' and 'threat'.

          Life isn't fair but you should try to leave it fairer than you found it.

          by xrepub on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:56:51 PM PST

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          •  How Much Beyond Crazy Can They Go? (0+ / 0-)

            When you are already at extreme rant, where you think the government confiscation is "imminent" then how much MORE crazy can they get?

            I suppose Banch Davidian and Ruby Ridge level nutty are right around the corner.

            We are going to have to be prepared for waves of the insane coming out to organize and vote in 2014. That has always been the problem. Gun nuts aren't close to a majority, but they are demented and angry, so they will come out in force -- just like in 1994 to "protect our rights."

            The sane on the other hand have a lot of other issues to worry about -- like jobs and the economy and global warming, and the war in Afghanistan, etc. They're not fixated totally on guns. So, it's not symmetrical.

      •  Snark. Here is the real CT. The guvmint wants (8+ / 0-)

        those noids to Darwin award themselves to heaven. Yep the NRA is in cahoots with the guvmint and the corporations.

        TP#7: I need a gun to protect my home from criminals!

        Answer#1: I hope you have 22 disposable family members, because statistically, that's how many you'll have to go through before you kill an intruder.
        (Note: An Arthur Kellerman study showed it's 22 times more likely a family member will be killed by a gun in the home than for the gun to be used to ward off an intruder, Journal of Trauma, 1998)
        Answer#2: Congratulations! You've nearly tripled the chances you'll be killed instead!
        (Note: Arthur Kellermann again; a gun in the home makes being murdered 2.7 times more likely.)
        Answer#3: I'm sure your children will thank you for increasing their chances of being killed by a gun by a factor of 10 or more.
        (Note: American children are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and 9 times more likely to die in a firearm accident than children in other countries, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.)

        From here

        There is no they, We will sink or swim together.... We are here to awaken from the illusion of our separateness

        by GDbot on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:31:45 PM PST

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      •  On the Ironymeter, the Republicans (0+ / 0-)

        rate pretty high as literal conspirators: they've made no secret of their wish, and collusion, to sabotage the proper and ordinary functioning of government.

        btw, one of the fun things of following conspiracy theorists is that every poster of one is sooner or later revealed by another poster to be a pawn of the very conspiracy the first claims to oppose.

        Although that hand-gesture, the one which GW Bush made which he explained away as something Texas Longhorn fans do. I still wonder why the Popes, Sarkozy, John Gotti, and Tony Blair make it. I could see some of them trying for the deaf sign "I love you" but John Gotti?


        Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

        by Jim P on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:22:12 PM PST

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    •  I know a couple of these people... (24+ / 0-)

      ..at work.  "Conservatives" who were both career military. Both were in Vietnam. They are both oblivious to thiongs like "Science," "Facts," "Comparitive Reality...."

      They too believe Obama is ochestrating a U.N takeover. Nothing will dissuade them.  They claim not to be racists because they are friends with the black folk in our workplace. But they jumped the shark when Obama was elected. They went bananas. They bought into every half-baked notion of incipient tyranny spouted by Limbaugh/Beck/Fox.  Don't get me started on what they consider "True Christian."

      I'm convinced that some people are hard-wired to hate and see bad everywhere and in everyone who is "other."

      And now we've elected a bunch of them to Congress.

      The grown-ups (if any are left) in the Republican Party must stand-up and squash this.

      "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

      by CanisMaximus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:18:45 PM PST

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      •  Ask them when and where they were (10+ / 0-)

        in Vietnam, including unit designations.

        Wannabes are everywhere....

        I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

        by Wayward Wind on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:21:53 PM PST

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        •  No, they have their bona fides. Both are my age... (13+ / 0-)

          ....and older. All of us are 60+ and I've known them for more than 15 years.  The thing is they are nice, good guys in many ways.  But they were Bushies in the day and when Obama beat the "war hero" McCain, they seemed to snap in a way. One guys is retiring next month. The other guy has to work until he drops dead, because his wife has MS and though he could have dumped her like I have seen others do (Mr Gingrich....) he remains utterly devoted to her care and well-being.  Our health care system is something he should be interested in reforming, but buys into the Obamacare-is-taxes/tyranny, etc.

          Like I said, not exactly open to comparative reailty...

          "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

          by CanisMaximus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:40:32 PM PST

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          •  Good for the guy (8+ / 0-)

            sticking with his wife...

            I said to check because when someone claims to be a Vietnam vet, and spouts this nonsense, you will often find when you ask probing questions that they were either not in Vietnam or were in safe jobs in the rear.  

            It is extremely rare to find someone who has been in combat who goes down the "we need more guns" road, at least in my experience.

            I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

            by Wayward Wind on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:46:03 PM PST

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          •  My VN cohort is split about 50/50. (4+ / 0-)

            However do agree that it is split pretty much between the career soldiers and short-timers. Not entirely though.

            Since my roles in my units, the 173rd and the 525th, were kind of unique I also keep in touch with the younger generation as we have kind of a bond.

            If anything they are more adamant about gun rights, creeping socialism and the like than the VN folks.

            If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

            by shigeru on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:08:54 PM PST

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          •  I'm seeing this as well (2+ / 0-)
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            The nonsense that comes up on my Facebook feed from retired military men...quotes on "tyrants" and "dictators"...outrage over an image of Obama holding a copy of the book The Post Modern World...

            Posts about guns, guns, guns and those who want to take them away.

            I'm a spouse of a retired military member so there's the assumption that I share in their conspiracy beliefs and disgust that Obama was reelected.   I'm still scratching my head over their hatred of "Obamacare".  The last time I checked Tricare was a government run health program.

            In person, decent people, kind to their families, posting frequent pictures of beloved grandchildren and cute pets.  But politics brings out an ugly hatred in them that I find frightening combined with their passion for weapons.

            Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science. Robert Green Ingersoll

            by offred on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:59:01 PM PST

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        •  Wayward, I knew Steve when lived in Oregon. (0+ / 0-)
      •  The republican party has grownups? (6+ / 0-)

        The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

        by lyvwyr101 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:35:07 PM PST

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      •  It's about development as a person. (3+ / 0-)
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        The infant/early toddler feels that it should get absolutely everything it wants, and immediately.

        We socialize, we grow, we learn give and take.

        But some people, they just don't like that part of life. What they want is what they want, when they want it, with nobody putting any obstacles in their way, or judging them. But they know they can't just come out and say that.

        So they invent all sorts of rationales. The details of which, whether dressed as religion or sober realism or social theory or political philosophy ... it all boils down to "I have an inherent right to treat you as I will." And nothing... nothing... nothing else.

        Plus, there's a huge physical rush in both fear and lashing out in anger. One feels distinctly present and vital in both instances.

        Infantilism. plus the adrenaline kick, and there's their true story.


        Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

        by Jim P on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:35:43 PM PST

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        •  I said there are some people... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...who are hard-wired to hate/fear. But there are other causations and we shouldn't get wrapped-up in one or two. This distracts from the REAL issue in all of this. Simply:

          Automatic weapons are a public health issue.

          "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

          by CanisMaximus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:39:16 PM PST

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          •  What we have to fear, is fear itself. (0+ / 0-)

            These 300,000,000 guns are symptoms of paranoia, plus a little bit of hunting.

            "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

            by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:26:02 AM PST

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      •  I have at least two friends who are buying in (6+ / 0-)

        to the "Newtown Hoax" - one is a friendly aqauintance, I met thorugh art of all things, an older, very religious, magical thinking lady.. I don't know her well enough to know if she is malicious or just very gullible and ignorant.. Her facebook posts alternate between glowing sunsets, kittens, and rabid conspiracy theories.
        The other is a stranger and sadder story. "Ken" is dear friend. He and his partner "Martin" were our neighbors for years. Martin was HIV positive, frail and sick. Ken was the bread-winner, the practical one. They moved away a few years ago, but had become so close with us, we stayed in touch and even were able to visit them. Last year Martin finally sucummed to pnemonia. Ken was able to become legal gaurdian to "David" - Martin's mixed race nephew they have cared for since he was three. David was a playmate of our kids. David looks like Obama's son, so race really isn't the motivation for Ken's paranoia. Ken stuck by Martin through all his illnesses and has stood by David. As a human being, he's someone i"ve profoundly admired.

        I'm trying to figure out for myself why Ken is completely, obsessively immeresed in CT libertarian culture now. I think his involvement with wholistic health (to help heal Martin) and organic food issues may have been the gateway drug. He is against GMO's, flouride, mono-culture.. it follows that he's aginst corporate power in agriculture. His relative poverty and struggles have turned him against the economic system and now the "banksters" -- (some of his links have secondary links to neo nazi, anti Israel stuff) Before Newtown he was posting and forwarding 9-11 conspiracies, he hated Bush, voted for Obama the first time, but the bailouts etc. turned him off. He states, and I must agree, that our government isn't exactly transparent, and has been guilty of black-ops.

        When Martin died, his spirituality understandably turned to attempts to contact the spirit world, and some intensely mystical new-agey christianity.. and I think some in that world are also prone to conspiracy theories.
        He has sent me increasingly bizarre links to interpertations of signs in 10 year old movies that "predict" Sandy Hook, worthy of an addled Barthes.

        I'm posting this personal story, because Ken doesn't fit the redneck gun nut stereotype at all.. He's the bisexual adoptive father of mixed race kid, who's as loving as anyone i"ve ever known. I feel like his emotional desperation is almost leading him to mask his grief and struggles in a diversionary obsession.

        We're still emailing and facebooking and I read much of what he sends me, send him snopes and common sense when I can... But our correspondence made we aware of the cancerous pool of fear, lies and hatemongering that is much more prevalent than "normal" people realize, I'm so glad to see this diary. This subject needs to be widely publicized and shown the bright sunlight so it can dry up and blow away.

        •  First, sorry for losses... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...both your friend to HIV and your friends possible metal health issues.

          Because that's how I see some of this: as some sort of OCD which has it's focus on preventing fear and feeling "protected."

          I said before that there are a number of people hard-wired to hate like this. (BTW, Hate = Fear), but there are many causations. Let's not get stuck focusing on one or two things and miss the big picture.

          Automatic weapons are a public health issue.

          "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

          by CanisMaximus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:35:43 PM PST

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        •  In a word: paranoia. (1+ / 0-)
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          These generated fantasies are designed to suck in people with this affliction.

          To weaken their grips on reality.

          At the same time, the Far Right fantasies sneak in slams at sensible, pro-democracy, scientific, law abiding, competent, pro-female, pro-justice opponents.

          The liars are birchers. They will always be birchers.

          "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

          by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:32:54 AM PST

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      •  What makes it worse... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...is that there is a whole information/entertainment complex that pretty much encourages and promotes the paranoid, nutty conspiracy theories on the right.

        So while some kooky ideas can occasionally pop up on the left, they don't get nurtured and promoted in the same way as happens on the right.  As an example, conspiracy theorists who insisted that the 2004 election was stolen by Bush were banned from Daily Kos.  In contrast, nutters on the right who embrace a multitude of conspiracy theories (birtherism, Obama as a secret Muslim, Obama as a hard core Marxist, etc, etc, etc) seem to receive encouragement instead of censure...and can even find major media figures who share their nutty ideas.

        In the end, the right wing media seems to be a parasite on the conservative movement -- making profits by promoting beliefs that are ultimately quite harmful to conservatism.  I'm glad that there really doesn't seem to be any sort of left wing equivalent (despite the conservative blather about left wing media).

        Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

        by TexasTom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:07:50 PM PST

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        •  Exactly right.... (0+ / 0-)

          ...and you can see it in their mail-outs. They are full of oblique language that pushes the fear button without there being anything TO fear.

          John Bolton had one out recently, shilling for some "conservative" organization that "pledges to take the fight to Washington" etc.... if you "will only pledge a gift of Eight jillion dol.... maybe your last twenty will do. You don't need food this week, Parasite."

          Maybe that's not what he really said, (but I can see him saying it ) but you get my drift here: You can infer a lot of things without saying them.

          "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

          by CanisMaximus on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:31:08 PM PST

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        •  It is also a matter of how they phrase and build (1+ / 0-)
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          their message.  If you ever take the time to pay attention to what they are saying, not the message, but how they are saying it you will notice something interesting.  Yes, I know it is difficult to give them more than a few seconds without vomiting but try it sometime.

          They will talk in a tone and manner to make it sound like they are having a personal conversation with just you.  They will talk about how "everybody knows" whatever issue is at hand for them, to make it sound like somehow you are excluded and missing out on some vital secret that is obvious to the world.  Then they will cinch it by creating an either, or paradigm where your choices are to join them in their crusade or become one of the enemy.   It is a psychological game and unfortunately it is effective with obvious results.

    •  While I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      totally it's "completely disgusting and batshit insane."

      The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

      by lyvwyr101 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:33:41 PM PST

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      •  Did Michele Bachmann upload it ? (0+ / 0-)

        Seems appropriate.

        "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

        by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 09:35:31 AM PST

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    •  This in many ways is worse than the (2+ / 0-)
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      insanity right before the civil war.

      If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

      by shigeru on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:50:03 PM PST

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  •  Gandalf did utter the lamguage of Mordor (12+ / 0-)

    He did it in Rivendell and it upset Elrond mightily. As for the conservatives, they live and thrive on outrage. When there is no real outrages to be found, they are left manufacturing them.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:07:46 PM PST

  •  just stop the gun madness (7+ / 0-)

    there are weapons of mass destruction available all over this screwed-up country. Just for obscene profits. That's not in the 2nd Amendment.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:11:40 PM PST

    •  That is why I have............. (2+ / 0-)
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      jck, bontemps2012

      a very uneasy feeling about tomorrow.  While it may just be a sign of my advancing age; I fear that DC might not be a good place to be. It is not that I am more afraid than normal that anyone is going after the POTUS; a nut or nuts from the violent, right-wing fringe can make a statement without going after BHO.  

      Whether it would be someone mistakenly being convinced that they can disrupt the swearing in and thereby deny the POTUS the second term or just someone thinking “I can’t get to him but I can sure get to a lot of his supporters;” you name it, there are most likely mentally unbalanced, right wingers thinking it right now.  Add in the current gun control debate, large crowds and the concentration of a lot of democrats, liberals and progressives in DC; there is no telling what the situation could attract and what could happen.

      I urge anyone in DC tomorrow to enjoy the day but also be circumspect and aware of what is going on around you. Be safe out there.

      The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

      by cazcee on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:18:19 PM PST

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    •  Newtown is so horrible they have to make it (3+ / 0-)
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      unreal. Anything but deal with what Sandy Hook means.

    •  Interesting word selection (2+ / 0-)
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      The nuts feel cornered
      America, in large part, is made up of people who were running away from something. Now there is no longer anywhere to go. Hence, the seed of the trapped rat syndrome was laid a long time ago and has been cultivated and nurtured through political socialization and  the myths surrounding American history.

      If you don't want to be kept in the dark and lathered with horse dung, stop acting like a mushroom.

      by nomorerepukes on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 05:50:06 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Had this conversation with a friend today. (15+ / 0-)

    Those 20 babies are the tipping point. (Not to forget all the others.)

    Research Shows Poverty Creates the Biggest Achievement Gap.

    by Desert Rose on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:13:13 PM PST

  •  Liars and thieves (12+ / 0-)

    always think everyone else is a liar and a thief.

    Are there no prisons? No workhouses?

    by meatballs on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:15:02 PM PST

  •  Part of this "psychosis" just may be the literal (30+ / 0-)

    obsession with "freedom" and "liberty" in this country. It's the myth of the "free and open frontier" run amuck.

    This has been at the expense of the idea of community, "looking out for the other guy" and _brotherhood_that supposedly is one of the bases of Christianity. But what Americans have done with "freedom" and "Christianity" and "the commons" has been seriously out of whack.

    I doubt if Thomas Jefferson thought that a cowboy anarchist was the ideal image of the "good American."

    "They come, they come To build a wall between us We know they won't win."--Crowded House, "Don't Dream It's Over."

    by Wildthumb on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:17:08 PM PST

  •  I had a Bush-master assault rifle. At first I had (8+ / 0-)

    a 20 round magazine and then I upgraded to a 30 round magazine.  Why?  Because the Bush-master is actually the civilian version of the M-16 that I was issued in the Marine Corps, and 30 round magazine are better at killing the enemy.

    And that's exactly what my M-16 with the 30 round clip was intended to do.  Kill people.  Nothing else but kill.  As rapidly and effectively as possible.

    "With all due respect, that's a bunch of malarky". - V.P. Joe Biden

    by Taxmancometh on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:19:19 PM PST

  •  So what else is new? (8+ / 0-)

    Conspiracy theories are more comfortaing to some than the thought that a random lunatic can kill a President, Senator or Civil Rights leader.

    Also more comforting, for reasons I cannot fathom, that a local conspiracy would knock down the twin towers instead of a conspiracy of enemies half a world away.

    Is it so surprising that something as horrible as Sandy Hook would fall prey to conspiracy "theorists"?

    Hardly worth wasting any energy on -- except for one thing: some of them have been pretty vile to people in Newtown who were involved, one way or the other, in the events surrounding the shootings, including the parents of murdered children.

    No decency, those folks.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:19:58 PM PST

  •  The unbelievable Sandy Hook conspiracy... (8+ / 0-)

    ...falls in the spectrum of Obama being a Manchurian Candidate POTUS from Kenya that goes back to 2008.

    It really springs from sub-conscious racism that cannot accept that an African American can be POTUS.

    It must be the result of a conspiracy, how else could Obama had gotten to the WH!

    Once you believe what birthers believe then you can start believing all sorts of things.

    My problem is that among these millions of mentally deficients there may be some that have 2 working neurons however mangled they may be.  And they may do something.

    From this diary by therehastobeaway;

    Secret Service Says The Number Of Threats Against The President Is Overwhelming

    President Barack Obama is the target of more than 30 potential death threats a day and is being protected by an increasingly over-stretched Secret Service. He is the most threatened President in history.

    Since the President took office in 2008, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400% cent. Some threats to the President have been publicized, including the well known alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:20:19 PM PST

    •  Yes, that's a big concern. Those with these guns (3+ / 0-)

      and most crazy about them are the ones being spurred on.
      They've been warned from the start that this pretender, this out to ruin America and all those bad things he is  was out to take the liberty and freedom and guns of true patriots...
      and now here it is
      They are saying it to obsessive paranoid right wing
      gun nuts
      Who think they are needed to act against tyranny of government
      that they think they are seeing.

      That is really very bad.

    •  Given that a lot of them have 50 cal sniper (1+ / 0-)
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      rifles and heat seeking SAM's it is a real issue. Not only is the SecSer over stretched it has seemingly had other issues as exemplified by the prostitution scandals.

      If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

      by shigeru on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:56:05 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You can buy heat seaking missiles? (1+ / 0-)
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        I want me some of those.

        Seriously, do you know how heavily regulated any sort of item like that is regulated?  Owning a .50 cal rifles, yes.  Missiles, no.

        •  Yes I do. Enough to know that several dozens (0+ / 0-)

          have gone missing over the years and that they are a commodity among some. There are also pack howitzers and the like in private hands.

          How serious a threat? God only knows. Perhaps the owners are only "collectors" or they may be more serious threats.

          If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

          by shigeru on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 11:34:23 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  And if they have these illegally (0+ / 0-)

            do you seriously think that any law, new or existing, is going to stop them?

            No.  Laws only bind the law abiding and set penalties for those who don't.

            •  Maybe enforcing existing laws would help some. (0+ / 0-)

              There are two hidden arguments in what you write about:
              1.  Self defense/hunting - for this a bolt action rifle or shotgun would suffice. A hand gun may or may not be necessary.
              2.  Fighting the government - if one truly believes that it will come to this, then puny AK47, M4,or m16 will do no good. Folks who believe this should be arming with drones, rocket launchers, mortars, laser weaponry,and the like.

              I started shooting at 7, had a rifle throughout HS, but have not touched or owned a weapon in years. My VN experience with death, cold metal and blood was enough to dissuade me.

              If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

              by shigeru on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:17:45 PM PST

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    •  Can we FOIA NSA for a list of the 10 million ppl? (1+ / 0-)
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      'Cuz I'm thinking we should support legislation for them to get remedial education.

      This video purports to prove that the Sandy Hook incident was not the work of a deranged mass-murderer, but that it was a carefully crafted conspiracy, that those commonly credited with helping rescue some of the children were actually paid actors, and that at least one of the children is actually still alive. That video has over 10 million views on YouTube.

      Join us at RASA: Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment. (Repeal will not ban guns, just help regulate them.)

      by Sharon Wraight on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:09:04 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  these folks is fuckin' nutz (7+ / 0-)

    and should never have a gun of any kind.

  •  There's a disturbing pattern here (18+ / 0-)

    There may be 300 million guns in the U.S., but there are not 300 million gun owners. Rather, there are a significant number of households that have multiple guns. A significant number of people who live in such households (though certainly not all) argue strongly that they need these guns to defend themselves from tyranny, and are obsessed with the very paranoia discussed here.

    Let's see - heavily armed individuals collecting weapons to defend themselves from a government they fear and loathe. In any other country, we would recognize them for what they are - potential insurgents. Should I also note that a significant number of them live in the old Confederacy   (as do I, let me be clear)?

    They are not an existential threat to the state (given the huge disparities in firepower and the lack of an air force), but their potential for creating trouble is real.

    Conservatives believe evil comes from violating rules. Liberals believe evil comes from violating each other.

    by tcorse on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:21:42 PM PST

  •  It's another wedge issue (8+ / 0-)

    To keep people from voting their economic interest.

    Only now the obscenity of this policy is delivering innocent victims in a very public way.

    Support is eroding quickly and "they're coming to take your guns" is rapidly losing its mass appeal to the ham and egg self-styled conservative.

    It's an unspeakable shame that so many innocents needed to lose their lives before the lie was revealed.

    Are there no prisons? No workhouses?

    by meatballs on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:23:42 PM PST

  •  Nuts sure but very dangerous & well armed nt (2+ / 0-)
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  •  The latest massacre had a chaplain as a victim... (7+ / 0-)

    One presumes that the 15 year old murderer was child #4....

    ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — A 15-year-old boy remained in custody Sunday night as detectives tried to piece together what led to the shooting of five people, including three young children, who were found dead in a New Mexico home...

    Detectives did not immediately release the victims' names, but word of the shootings traveled quickly through the law enforcement community, and officials began offering their condolences for Greg Griego, a spiritual leader known for his work with firefighters and the 13 years he spent as a volunteer chaplain at the county jail....

    Authorities said each victim suffered more than one gunshot wound, and several guns were found at the home, one of which was a semi-automatic military-style rifle. Investigators were trying to determine who owned the guns....

    Peter Gomez, a 54-year-old carpenter who lives about 200 yards from the home, said he had seen the family — a husband and wife and their four children — pass by many times but didn't know them personally.

    More people killed by their own guns, evidently.

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -- John Kenneth Galbraith

    by richardak on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:29:23 PM PST

  •  Why Didn't President Obama...........? (1+ / 0-)
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    Why didn't President Obama appoint Wayne La Pierre to head the BATF&E? He would have drawn all the heat off his administration and made W.La Pierre look like the fool he is.

  •  Psychosis has nothing to do with it. (0+ / 0-)

    This is a sophomoric analysis that will persuade no one. If you want to preach to the choir, go ahead.

    Gun advocates are not psychotic. This post amounts to nothing more than name calling.

    look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

    by FishOutofWater on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:31:58 PM PST

    •  Not all of them ... (0+ / 0-)

      And there are probably enough "gun advocates".

      We could use more "Safe and Sensible gun ownership advocates".

      If not us ... who? If not here ... where? If not now ... when?

      by RUNDOWN on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:38:26 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Some of them are psychotic (0+ / 0-)

      and we don't know which of them will depart from reality next.

      The gun nuts have more to fear from psychological evaluation becoming a routine requirement for gun ownership than any of the other proposals.

  •  We have so many (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    laws in this country that protect our children---but where the hell are the Children's Safety First gun Laws?

    The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

    by lyvwyr101 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:32:23 PM PST

  •  The Alex Jones InfoWars video (0+ / 0-)

    A Libertarian friend of mine sent it to me today. In return, I sent her a piece from my own fave rave fringe theory info source, the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. Quid pro quo, Agent Starling, etc. I think the piece is worthwhile as it addresses not the specific allegations of this specific video but the mindset that produced it. Here's the link if you're interested. If you're not interested, by all means ignore it.

  •  in this particular instance (2+ / 0-)
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    I say it's the c/t that have blood on their hands.
    and they know it.

    it's the far rw who has done everything in their power
    to limit any kind of regulations on weapons and ammunition.

    ithe whole idea of the "government as an enemy"
    goes back to reagan (in modern times, anyway).
    it has gotten so out of hand...so out of control.... that this belief has, imo,
    made our beloved nation sick... and unsafe.

    millions of us struggle without healthcare
    we work more for less... never getting ahead.
    the lack of good regulation in so many areas is bearing down on us.

    and yet... even the unspeakable horror of a school of slaughtered kids ....
    the unimaginable destruction of beautiful lives...
    we still struggle to find a way to do something about this

    it seems simple, really.
    less guns really do equal less gun violence.

    god help us

    (says this atheist)

    every adult is responsible for every child

    by ridemybike on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:39:41 PM PST

  •  Paranoia for Profit and Power (3+ / 0-)
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    This is how high social dominance authoritarian leaders roll: give their followers enemies and other things to be afraid of - so they'll depend on their leaders to protect them. It's a self-reinforcing paradigm.

    The NRA loves fear as a marketing tool - look what the bare talk of bans did for gun sales. The late John Brunner wrote a novel published in 1969 The Jagged Orbit. Racial tensions in that version of a future America had reached the breaking point, and a cartel was making a fortune selling weapons to anyone who'd buy - and using sales to one side to provoke the other into buying even more. The country was on the verge of civil collapse because of the 'marketing' the cartel was using to increase its sales.

    I talk quite a bit about paranoia and the gun debate in the diary I've got on the recc list at the moment.

    I ran across something hilarious while updating it. The paradise for paranoids being promoted in Idaho, the Citadel? The one where they expect every potential resident to be prepared to defend the community by force of arms if need be? It seems they may have a little problem, considering who has been found to be behind it all. Oops!

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:41:25 PM PST

    •  Citadel (0+ / 0-)

      The economy of this planned medieval walled society will revolve around...wait for it...a gun factory.  Jobs for all patriots!  Except for the visionary founder, who happens to be a convicted felon.

      All forms of fundamentalist thought breed magical thinking.

      by YankInUK on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:51:38 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  If "Reality shows" are any indication of Real (5+ / 0-)

    America then there isn't enough psychiatric help on the planet to combat this.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:43:41 PM PST

    •  Even the (3+ / 0-)
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      fictitious entertainment like say 24 or the endless movies that are paranoid about any 'other' be they vampires, aliens or terrorists that are coming to get yer family. I know this is not PC, as violence porn is okay cause other country's have it and they don't go all homicidal. Going to rent a video is an exercise in pick your carnage, gore and fear. We're inundated with both violence and fear. TV,  movies, games you name it pumps out fear, violence and death. Symptom of our national addiction to fear and killing. Cheney talked about  how we needed to go the The Dark Side and it looks to me that that is where were at. A homicidal country hooked on power, killing, torture and violence. Ir's systemic from top to bottom we all seem to believe that the 'other' is out to get us and we're ready to bring on the 'shock and awe'. 'They' envy our freedom. lol.    

    •  Fortunately... (1+ / 0-)
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      ..."reality shows" don't seem to be representative of much of anything.  The participants in these shows are the kinds of folks who are either desperate to become famous in the worst possible way, or they're wannabe actors/actresses who see the exposure on these shows as a way to jump start their careers.

      And in the fractionalized world of modern television, a handful of millions of viewers can make these awful programs into hits.  The 5 or 6 million people who watch something like "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" has to be placed in the context that we're a country of over 300 million people.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:12:48 PM PST

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  •  And yet, there ARE conspiracies (3+ / 0-)
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    For example, the meeting of high ranking Republicans on the date of Obama's first inauguration, where they conspired to wreck the American economy for the sole purpose of making Obama look bad and getting their Party back into the White House. This is just one well-documented example, but because it's THEIR side who did it, it's not worth getting angry about.

    "Teach a man to fish, he can feed himself for a life. Don’t feed fish." - Future President Paul Ryan

    by Fordmandalay on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:45:46 PM PST

    •  It wasn't a conspiracy... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...because they were quite open about it.  

      It's not like anyone had to do a lot of digging to hear the intentions of those Republican leaders -- they broadcast their goals quite openly.  I don't think it qualifies as a conspiracy when you tell everyone what you're doing.

      Political Compass: -6.75, -3.08

      by TexasTom on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:14:15 PM PST

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  •  What drives this in part (3+ / 0-)
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    underneath it all is that the gun business is very profitable.

    Take the profit out of making weapons and ammunition, and this problem will over time tamp itself down.

    The RW extremist rhetoric that drives delusional people into thinking they need guns for "self-defense" enables a market condition to sell weapons to people who simply should not have them in the 1st place. It's a synergistic effect - removing the ability to make money from sale of these instruments will be part of the solution, over time.

    That, and a hell of a lot of strong sedatives and locked psychiatric wards for these crazy people.

    Republicans totally abandoned conservatism in the 1980s ..

    by shpilk on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:45:51 PM PST

  •  Radio and tv talkers feed the psychosis and they (5+ / 0-)
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    make me wonder about the origin of CT today.  There's a steady volume and somebody has to write this material.  This is just my own inclination to address the problem at its source, wherever it is.

    After the initial shock of the election wore off, I noticed a rising tide of what I call psychosis.  Obama's inauguration is the type of event that ratchets it up.  

    Anecdote:  this morning I noticed a story on HuffingtonPost about four words added to the oath the President will take at the Inauguration.  The four words are "so help me God."

    Under the article, I came across a comment that included something about the Constitution, the second amendment, and a suggestion that the phrase "so help me God" was added to help the President cover up his Muslim religion.  

    I replied with a question about the reader's knowledge of the Constitution other than the second amendment, and I added the language from Article 6: "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."  

    It's cognitive dissonance in action when people demand strict adherence to the Constitution in one place and then contradict the Constitution in the very next breath.   Or is the cognitive dissonance and the psychosis just something that people like me need to explain deviant behavior.  

    Isn't it more logical to assume that the sum total of rightwingnuttiness is that they know exactly what they're doing?  Don't they appear to be progressing toward a goal?  Because they never say more than a hint what that goal is, their actions can't be explained except as psychosis.  What if it's not?

    "Democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ---'Fighting Bob' LaFollette

    by leftreborn on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:47:57 PM PST

  •  I would only add... (1+ / 0-)
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    9/11 conspiracies, etc.  

    Yes, it's peculiarly American (kind'a, mostly), but the paranoid come in all colors and brands.

  •  We should fully expect that some group or groups (1+ / 0-)
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    of these gun nuts are going to resort to violence if any sort of gun control legislation, regardless of how modest, is passed. They have been too indoctrinated with fanaticism and conspiracy theories telling them that they will need to take up arms against their own government for there to be any other outcome.

    If there is no accountability for those who authorized torture, we can no longer say that we are a nation of laws, not men.

    by MikePhoenix on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:51:02 PM PST

  •  no, not peculiar to America (2+ / 0-)
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    before 1996, there was the same situation in Australia.  Very high degree of gun ownership, widespread ownership of rifles with high capacity magazines; and in the spring of that year in a rural part of the Tasman Peninsula in eastern Tasmania a local 'troubled youth' brought his arsenal to Port Arthur memorial and opened fire on crowds of tourists, leaving 35 dead and 27 injured.  He was apprehended after attempting to start a fire the following day.

    Within weeks, the Australian government had passed legislation outlawing the high capacity magazines used in Port Arthur, and passed one of the most stringent gun bans and buybacks known in the western world.  In reaction to this sweeping legislation (which had huge popular support, just like the support we see now for similar types of gun bans), the conspiracy theory arose from more than one source that the massacre was staged by the Australian government for the express purpose of banning weapons, and that it was all a trick on the public.  In this case, however, it is believed that the victims did all get shot to death - but it was not a lone individual gunman who did it; despite the fact that the man was apprehended alive and is now in prison for multiple life sentences.

    This has happened elsewhere; and for very nearly the precise same reason.
    Port Arthur Massacre Theory

    The perpetrator, Martin Bryant, was a resident of nearby town of Newtown.  (how's that for a coincidence)

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:53:55 PM PST

  •  It's deeper than... (3+ / 0-)
    The problem starts with the very topic of the conversation in question
    ... that.

    That only explains this particular outbreak of the pyschosis.

    Reality is... hmm... perhaps bad choice in word... reality is that we increasingly live in two different, alternate, parallel universes.

    I think what is happening is that in their universe where life is black and white and right and wrong are clear and unambiguous it is increasingly difficult to understand why they are shrinking. Their numbers decrease. Their view is not shared. It is not believed. Yet how can that be? They are right and it is obvious but no one will believe them and join them despite their obvious rightness.

    It must be a conspiracy.

    The forces of darkness and evil are working against them...the forces of light. The other option is to question their world view and why it is failing and that way lies chaos and confusion. There be dragons.

    No, it is a conspiracy. The world is as we were taught. We are good and right and they are bad and wrong. Therefore anything that contradicts that which can't be explained away must be a conspiracy.

    It is a deep pyschosis indeed.

    But their numbers are shrinking and they will continue to shrink until no one but the truly deluded remain.

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:56:29 PM PST

  •  motive for the Port Arthur Massacre (1+ / 0-)
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    as outlined by the killer's lawyer:

    His motivation for the massacre remains a closely guarded secret,[21] known only to his lawyer, who is bound not to reveal confidences without his client's consent. The lawyer later released a book outlining that Bryant was motivated largely by the media surrounding the then recent Dunblane massacre.
    Motivation for the Pt Arthur Massacre

    We should think very carefully about allowing wide exposure to details of mass shootings; since it appears that the notoriety of the shooter and the instant fame he gets from the events is a very powerful motivator; and one begets another, just as Dunblane begat Port Arthur.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 05:57:27 PM PST

  •  And now we are seeing this in New Mexico! (3+ / 0-)
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    Five killed SW of the city.  Assault rifle reported to be involved.  15-year old held.

    http://www.cnn.com/...

    Is this ever going to stop?  Five people were accidentally shot at three gun shows over the last few days.  Fortunately nobody was killed, but one show in North Carolina, I believe, had THREE people accidentally shot!  They can't even provide safety at a gun show!  

    •  As insensitive as this sounds... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...perhaps the negligence of the gun owner should be considered within the law, as far as failure to secure weapons is concerned.

      When the victim of a gun-related crime is at least part-owner of the weapon used against him/her, and there is no evidence that the perpetrator brought a gun to the crime scene, the perpetrator's sentence must be lightened.

      If a gun is used in a murder, the owner should be charged as an accessory to that murder. A defense is that the gun was adequately secured from theft, and the gun was obtained without consent of the owner. Another is that the gun was physically taken off the person of the owner.

      Those possessing the gun with the consent of the owner should be held to the same standards as an owner.

      Adequate security would involve two safes - one for the guns and one for the ammo. They must be lockable, and the means to open the locks must not be kept near the safes (just like you shouldn't keep your password under your keyboard).

      •  Also, gun owners should be REQUIRED ... (1+ / 0-)
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        to carry liability insurance like home owners and car owners have to do.  That might make them think twice about being negligent when the insurance company cancels their policy if they mess up too many times.

        Jail time?  In murder cases certainly.

  •  It's not "uniquely American" (3+ / 0-)

    People who've lived in dictatorial regimes like the pre-Spring Arab countries report that the inhabitants live and breathe conspiracy theories. Without a press they can trust, they imbibe rumor. Without power, they assume others have it.

  •  Widow of a Mass Shooting Victim Writes (2+ / 0-)
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    Today, the Des Moines Register published an essay from the widow of one of the victims of the 1994 Fairchild Air Force Base Shooting.

    I urge you to read the whole piece published on-line here.

    Reflecting on the response to each instance:

    ...[T]he scenario does not change. Deranged men with either mental illness or unchecked anger who kill and maim with legally purchased assault weapons accompanied by high-capacity magazines. . . .

    What has changed is our promptness to the massacre as we watch the tragedy teams move in. First responders are now highly trained, medical teams are quickly assembled for multiple gunshot wounds, and our children now not only practice tornado drills, but also lockdowns at their schools. The cacophony of media descends, informs, and now from experience become our pop-up grief counselors.

    And her take on the "mental illness" argument appears to be that it is a red herring:
    Mental illness, though, is family and friends, you and I, our children and our neighbors. Predicting violence in the general population or even those suffering from mental illness is, at best, unpredictable.
    The question?  What does it take to move the country to serious action?
    ... it is tragic, if not dismissive to look back at previously murdered children, young adults, and men and women whose death caused outrage, but not enough to move the nation.

    Unfortunately, what appears glaringly true is that even if we renew the assault weapons ban, tighten background checks and gun show loopholes, and create inventories of the mentally ill, nothing will change unless the law makes it illegal to purchase or possess weapons intended for use in war.

    For your consideration.
  •  To misquote Chris Hedges, "Hate is a Force (0+ / 0-)

    that gives Us Meaning".

    I really believe that a large number of people have seen that the system has not worked for them as they thought it should, and are pissed. They don't have the time, (or interest)
    to search out the real reason, so they grab on to BillO,etc..

    The end result is a lot of pissed off people, and that is no way to run a Country.

    "We can not Forget, Nor can We relent on Gun control". Bill Moyers

    by vzfk3s on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:06:57 PM PST

  •  The high level of American paranoia is a (1+ / 0-)
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    Cultural Anthropological problem. After America finally emerged from the societal disruptions of World War II in the 1950's a new medium, Television, was unfortunately shaping the cultural development of the new emerging American society. Television proved very quickly to have an unsatiatable appetite for new programming material. Fierce competition on the network level for advertising business severly exacerbated the need for new entertainment program material. In desperation the networks turned to an untapped source for new programming material, namely national gossip news. Prior to this the networks prided themselves in providing highly accurate documented factual information, as this conferred the mantle of respectibility on their intellectual level of programming.

    However opening the door to gossip not only allowed in all forms of despicable "yellow" journalism, it also encouraged innuendo and wild unproven speculation. The first vehicle for the admission of the gossip type programming was the day-time soap operas which quickly made the easy transistion from AM Radio directly into the new television broadcast format. The programming trick traditionally associated with the soap operas,namely leaving the audience hanging on a possible conspiracy between the story characters for the off-air period between episodes was introduced as a script technique into various news opinion panels on the networks. After six decades of this type of widespread television programming is it little wonder that we now have a population of Americans many of which feel it is perfectly natural to look for some conspiracy behind every reported event or action?

  •  How can you possibly think it's helpful (2+ / 0-)
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    FishOutofWater, fisheye

    to define American identity by its lowest, most despicable characters?

    Pour yourself into the future.

    by Troubadour on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:12:38 PM PST

  •  Perhaps "Gun Addiction" is a more useful term. (2+ / 0-)
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    It separates the responsible gun owners from those who NEED to have multiple, military-grade firearms, and who convulse at the merest suggestion of "regulation".

    These people have real emotional problems. I attribute it to deeply (and not so deeply) buried racism. Open Klan-style racism has gone out of fashion, so the children of those who "lost" the civil rights battles of the sixties have sublimated their fears into hostility toward "big government" and "tyranny".

    The GOP has been nurturing their fear, and the gun industry has feeding their addiction as mercilessly as any heroin dealer.

    People who want more firepower than is necessary for to hunt or deter crime are expecting some kind of hypothetical race war to reach their doorstep in their lifetime... and they intend to  prevail in such a conflict.

    Gun sales soared before President Obama was sworn in the first time. There is a connection here.

    Have you noticed?
    Politicians who promise LESS government
    only deliver BAD government.

    by jjohnjj on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:39:47 PM PST

  •  We must protect our children from the mentally ill (0+ / 0-)

    beginning with these these sick, twisted evil people.  To accuse ANYONE of murdering children for gains of any kind is taking psychosis to a whole new level.  While this makes me ill, I can't imagine what those parents are feeling.

    These insane radicals probably haven't thought about the dangers of a gun in the hands of a mentally ill person...

    I do benefits for all religions. I'd hate to blow the hereafter on a technicality. Bob Hope

    by bluebuckeyewmn on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 06:40:41 PM PST

    •  Hi there. I'm mentally ill. (0+ / 0-)

      Exactly what do you expect me to do to your kids?

      I should point out that I've been through the background checks to foster, and to adopt a state ward, and they didn't have any problem with me.

      However, you very clearly do- Care to explain?

      •  I apologize. I should have worded it differently. (0+ / 0-)

        A LOT of us are mentally ill.  Hey, life is life.

        The hatred and anger these individuals spew on others is over the top. They spare no one. That's not about being mentally healthy, but unhealthy.  

        I did blast one of them a couple of weeks ago who kept saying it was the mental illness that caused this Very few diagnosed with mental illness ever get that out of control in anger.
        The insinuation was ANYONE who dealt with a mental health issue would do this.  That must mean ALL of us. Who hasn't had a rough time emotionally in life?  Hey, I've been depressed when dealing with tough times.
        I didn't walk around verbally assaulting others or fight with them.  Didn't even think of it..never have.
        He was full of it.

        I do benefits for all religions. I'd hate to blow the hereafter on a technicality. Bob Hope

        by bluebuckeyewmn on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:37:22 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  I wouldn't want to be in a conservative mind (0+ / 0-)

    The filth, hatred and stupidity that live there is simply beyond any reasonable understanding. We're not talking "nogt seeing eye to eye" here, we're talking "batshit crazy paranoia".

    There was a time when tv and movies would illustrate being on drugs by having all types of hallucinations seeing giant spiders, etc.). Nowadays, conservative bad trips are made of stuff that no LSD would ever be strong enough to induce.

  •  Two thoughts (1+ / 0-)
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    I remember when there was a big scare on the right about fluoride in drinking water. I also remember the John Birch Society.
    But these were fringe elements that were marginalized. Now they're taken over the Republican Party. I think that control of the Republican Party helps to legitimize and propagate the craziness.
    I wouldn't expect it to fade any time soon either - not with the gerrymandering keeping Republicans in power in the house.
    In fact I expect it to get worse.
    If I'm not in a work situation I treat these goofball viewpoints with contempt and derision. Often with outright laughter. Like I would if someone tried to argue the Earth was flat.
    For instance, I call them traitors. To their face. That usually sets them back a bit. I've found that's a good starting position for me. These people are traitors and I want them out of my country. And I always make sure to call it MY country - a place where they are not welcome.
    As far as gun control is concerned I usually tell them I will be smiling when I pry their guns from their cold, dead fingers.
    That's another one that shuts them up pretty quick. That's language they can understand.
    I want to stir them up and raise the stakes. I want to send them into a frenzy.
    My thought is that the more they freak out the more it will wake up the casual sympathizers. For instance maybe responsible gun owners will see the craziness and realize that we do indeed need more gun control.
    I would call it the Todd Aiken effect.
    As a bonus it really feels good!
    I certainly don't treat the crazy folks with respect - they don't deserve it.

  •  Government IS playing games with stats (0+ / 0-)

    BOTH parties have been doing so since the 1980's.

    See shadowstats.com

    Why Democrats are so willing to excuse manipulation when Obama is doing it - while they condemned Bush for doing the same?

    Seems tome that the partisan divide exists to keep people form questioning the truth and how government has failed them.  As long as they are split between right and left  and defending 'their' side they will not recognize - much less acknowledge - that 'their' side is selling them out.

    Life isn't fair but you should try to leave it fairer than you found it.

    by xrepub on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:01:44 PM PST

  •  They are probably unaware of being (1+ / 0-)
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    Lincolnlog Lady

    dupes of the Koch and their ilk -- the filthy rightist rich. The one conspiracy -- or am I supposed to say similar people with a consensus? -- which inarguably exists to destroy a rights-protecting America. They'd love nothing better than having Civil War break out in the US, it seems to me. Rich organized people have a hand up in times of utter chaos, after all.

    One thing which has to be said:

    This is a uniquely American pyschosis that is deeply ingrained into an alarmingly broad cross-section of our nation's fabric.
    Between "uniquely" and "American" you have to put "white." I can't think of one website (i do monitor the right wing story aggregators regularly) which isn't overtly or covertly tying itself to anti-Semitic, anti-minority ideas.

    Which things also fit with the Koch-like crowd.


    Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

    by Jim P on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 07:04:46 PM PST

    •  Yeah, the Ron Paul guy I know... (2+ / 0-)
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      got really mad at me when I said he was doing the Koch brothers' bidding when he said he was voting No on 30 and Yes on 32 here in California.  He said it was only after "independent thinking" on his part that he came to those decisions.  And yet at the end of the day, he was doing what the Kochs wanted him to do.  Pointing that out to him just made him even more angry and unhinged.  :-\

      •  Good (2+ / 0-)
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        You might have put it a little more plainly - tell him he's a sap. A chump. A sucker.
        I grew up in Orange County and I've dealt with these guys a lot.
        I found that you have to verbally slap them around before their thought process starts up.
        Laugh at him and tell him what a chump he is. Tell him he's a sucker for getting screwed over all the time and then telling you how much he likes it.
        When you establish that right off the get-go you have a chance.
        Otherwise forget it. It's not a matter of reason.

  •  You've touched upon (2+ / 0-)
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    greengemini, tardis10

    a huge problem that is not unique just to American society. People feel extremely disconnected from social institutions. And the Internet enables them to connect to each other to share those feelings.

    This is where the paranoia comes from. I don't trust the government, I feel that I have no voice in it, my life is getting worse, and I resent the people in government who are trying to control my life. And it's long been just beneath the surface of Republican politics.  The Internet has merely allowed it to speak its name more.

    The ironic thing is that their anger is misdirected, because national governments are becoming increasingly powerless up against corporate power and global trade agreements.  But it's the job of the Kochs and that crowd to keep that a secret.

  •  it's the local RW station and it's that fucking ea (1+ / 0-)
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    EASY

    why the fuck are thinking americans surprised?

    beck is a joke, riding on 20 years of talk radio.

    the only reason these idiots have ANY traction is that the left ignores talk radio.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:10:26 PM PST

    •  RW hate-radio has the paranoids (0+ / 0-)

      for its audience. Screaming loons....

      On the Left any paranoid stands out like a Rockette serving tea.

      "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

      by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:57:59 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  It would make more sense if (1+ / 0-)
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    tardis10

    the conspiracy was hatched on the right, in order to paste it on Obama and the left........at least to my way of thinking.

    The right is engaged with interrupting ongoing conversations to distract from what is going on in DC. The left barely makes a squeak about what they want to do as far as policy agendas; they are reactive, not proactive. This makes it easy for the righties to manipulate them.

    But that is how I see it. The right sets fires all over the place and the left has to put them out, so there is little forward momentum.

  •  the truth is scarier than the conspiracies (0+ / 0-)

    No one is in control. It's a lot more comforting, in a comic book convention sort of way, to play dress up with your world view. It's all shadowy overlords and supermen from Tom Clancy novels. It's not like that. Reality is overwhelmingly totally out of anyone's control. That's scary. Too scary for the conspiracists.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Sun Jan 20, 2013 at 08:36:28 PM PST

  •  I swear to god if anyone ever utters (2+ / 0-)
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    Capt Crunch, lulusbackintown

    Sandy Hook CT in my presence I will fucking deck them

  •  People who think individual ownership of guns... (1+ / 0-)
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    MixedContent

    ...has any relationship to the defense of liberty slept through all of the confiscations of liberty -- the de facto revocation of habeas corpus and the 4th Amendment's right to privacy -- under the Bush and Obama presidencies.

    If those people were good for anything but Walter Mitty circle jerks over their gun fantasies, they would have been out in the streets over the PATRIOT Act. Or the FISA law in 2008 that immunized telecom companies for allowing warrantless wiretapping. Or about the billion-dollar eavesdropping facility in Utah. Or about the relentless prosecution of whistleblowers. Or about the relentless drive to to restrict women's rights to control their own bodies. Or any number of damn things.

    But they aren't.

    •  Stalin loved trained, armed snipers. (0+ / 0-)

      He had 10,000,000 of them generated during the 1930s. Rifle clubs all over Russia.

      That was the core story at Leningrad and Stalingrad. Artillery vs. robust snipers in the rubble.

      "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

      by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:53:33 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Faux chickens homes to roost. They have blood (0+ / 0-)

    on their hands and cackle gleefully about it.  

    But of course, altogether now, 'no one could have anticipated....!' whatever disaster this Fauxaganada brings slouching this way.

  •  It's hard to hold a consistent position... (0+ / 0-)

    ...when the world is one big slippery slope.  And that's where the entire conservative movement now resides.  

    The left has planted its flag on the high ground of reality, so the right can either live on the hill with liberals (horrors!) or muck around in the swamps of conspiracy.  Why is it unsurprising that they chose the latter?

  •  I think most non-partisan Americans had their (1+ / 0-)
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    moment when bin Laden was dead and the nutters said "No he isn't."  The pendulum began to change direction about then.  This Sandy Hook conspiracy stuff is frightening.  These nutters will believe anything fed to them and that is no way to run a democracy.  When a percentage of the electorate is this gullible anything is possible and anyone can be handed the keys to the kingdom.

  •  *The Cure for Conspiracy Theorist Psychosis* (0+ / 0-)

    A mass media campaign that all conspiracy theorists have been brainwashed into believing conspiracies perpetuated by a race of evil super beings operating from moon bases from the future.

    Perhaps they would become convinced that their belief in conspiracy theories are all evil conspiracies and something to disbelieve...
    or free admittance to wally world

    People who say they don't care what people think are usually desperate to have people think they don't care what people think. -George Carlin

    by downtownLALife on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 07:39:30 AM PST

    •  It's going to be harder than that. (0+ / 0-)

      What you are looking at is an induced personality disorder.

      Part of the paranoia spectrum. Hammered in with tens of thousands of impressions.

      "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

      by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:48:58 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  One thing you got wrong. (0+ / 0-)
    Short of allowing every household to own their own rocket launcher, there is nothing this administration could do to disprove this narrative.
    Even BUYING every household its own rocket launcher wouldn't disprove the narrative in their minds. If anything, it would reinforce it as Obama would obviously be arming his black army for the coming takeover in 2016.
  •  Sandy Hook CT looks to be an attractor (0+ / 0-)

    for high-compliance paranoids.

    These individuals may generate their own delusions. Or they could be 100% passive.

    Here they function passively, accepting an utterly mad construction. In theory they could believe almost anything that they perceive as physically possible.

    After years of Fox News, Limbaugh, listening to Bachmann's speeches in the well of the House, and trips to the jbs.org site, this is expected behavior.

    "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

    by bontemps2012 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:40:33 PM PST

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