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Poll says most Coloradans wants weapons like these banned.
Coloradans, according to a SurveyUSA poll commissioned by the Denver Post, have moved in favor of more gun restrictions since September when they were last polled. But their views reflect mixed feelings proving that gun-control advocates have some educating to do about the National Rifle Association.

The earlier poll came in the wake of the July 20 slaughter at a premiere showing of The Dark Knight Rises at a theater in the east of Denver suburb of Aurora, which reopened for the first time last Thursday. That shooting took the lives of 12 people and injured 70 others. But, despite being closer to home, it didn't have the impact that the massacre of 20 kids and six adults in Newtown, Connecticut, did in December.

In the September poll, 56 percent of the Coloradans surveyed saying that protecting people's right to own guns was more important, while 39 percent said controlling gun ownership was more important. But the latest poll found 50 percent saying that protecting the right to own guns is more important, with 45 percent saying it is more important to control who owns them.

Also in the latest poll, 56 percent said they support or strongly support the views of the leadership of the NRA gun lobby, while only 30 percent oppose or strongly oppose it. And, by a 56 percent to 35 percent margin, they think the best way to reduce gun violence is by stricter enforcement of existing laws rather than by passing new gun-control laws.

When it comes to three specifics, however, they come down on a different side of things. In fact, they agree with President Obama's proposals in these matters:

• 70 percent (versus 14 percent) favor a law that requires background checks for all gun sales, including private sales. (83 percent of Democrats favor such a law.)

• 54 percent (versus 30 percent) favor a law that reinstates and strengthens the assault weapons ban. (71 percent of Democrats favor such a law.)

• 53 percent (versus 35 percent) favor a law that restores the 10-round limit on ammunition magazines. (69 percent of Democrats favor such a law.)

Those responses illustrate the necessity of pointing out again and again to the public how far out of step the NRA's right-wing conspiracy-mongering leadership is when it comes to gun control.

Originally posted to Meteor Blades on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:30 PM PST.

Also republished by Colorado COmmunity and Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  The NRA has been unchallenged for decades... (9+ / 0-)

    even if the legislation goes nowhere because of the bought and paid for politicians (sadly on both sides, but many more GOP) at least something is gained by having the conversation.  And when another senseless spree killing happens again (and it will, probably within the next 6 months) the public will see who spoke up and who blocked everything that was proposed.  

    I see the NRA sort of like Grover Norquist - he has/had ultimate power over the GOP from the shadows.  Let's in the very least draw out the Mr. LaPierres into the sunlight, so folks can get a good look at exactly who the NRA is, and not what they abstractly believe them to be.  

    "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

    by Jacoby Jonze on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:36:19 PM PST

  •  Gun lobby (11+ / 0-)

    1. The NRA doesn't give a flying fluorescent flip about your second amendment rights. The NRA is a gun lobby. The NRA wants to sell as many guns as possible.

    2. Most gun owners want sensible gun regulation. The NRA is a gun lobby. The NRA wants to sell as many guns as possible.

  •  It's so weird (9+ / 0-)

    I live in CO and the Sandy Hook massacre cut closer to the bone than the Aurora Shooting and Columbine.  I think it's the age of the victims.  Six year-olds have the big silly grins with at least one missing tooth, the dreams of Santa Clause and being a good little boy or girl, riding a two-wheeler without training wheels, and the sweetness and innocence we all aspire to recapture.  It just breaks my heart.

    I want to make sure I add context to my statement.  The entire state and region were devastated by Columbine and Aurora.  It was like we were all hung over for weeks.  Mindless robots buying milk and filling up our tanks with gas, all the while trying to make sense of the senseless killings.  However, there was something even more chilling about Sandy Hook.

    Perhaps the silver lining is the gun control debate is at max volume.  People are fed up with their children getting massacred by military style assault rifles.  The time for change is now.  It's in the air. Can you feel it?  

    "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin

    by Rockydog on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:47:13 PM PST

  •  The polls also refute the tyranny claim (4+ / 0-)
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    pistolSO, Smoh, Meteor Blades, LinSea

    With the majority of the people wanting stricter gun control laws, it really shows that we're acting as a democracy rather than the idiotic claims we're living under a dictatorship.

    This will help us as we frame the argument for smart sensible gun control.

    "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." Charles Darwin

    by Rockydog on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:50:54 PM PST

  •  This is important (8+ / 0-)

    It shows that with proper framing, democrats can win with reasonable gun control even in hunting states.

    The ground really is shifting, but we need to be very, very careful with the messaging.  The NRA is a formidable organization...they will try to turn this into banning all guns.  It isn't, not even close.  As long as we always talk about the specifics, this can be a winner for dems.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 12:58:44 PM PST

  •  Colorado, NRA Membership, and The Way Forward (8+ / 0-)

    This is the way forward for undercutting the NRA's political power and passing effective gun control legislation.  Progressives need to take every opportunity to illustrate how disconnected NRA leadership is not only from the American public, but from their own membership.  Learn the positively absurd, absolutist "official" positions of the NRA and then ask the NRA member you work with, or coach with, or work out with if they can look you in the eye and tell you that they no-shit believe, for example, that it's a constitutionally guaranteed freedom to be able to legally sell an AR-15 in a Wal-Mart parking lot w/o any registration, background check, or identification.  Ask if they sincerely believe their daughter will be made safer by her chemistry teacher keeping a Glock 19 in his desk.  Most don't, and when you really press them on the issue, it may make them more likely to "Mark As Spam" the latest Wayne LaPierre legislative fundraising plea.

    Also, on a (somewhat) unrelated note, know that we get absolutely nowhere in terms of passing effective legislation and making our nation safer when we condescend NRA members.  Many - if not most - are good Americans who have genuinely different assumptions than we do regarding how to ensure a safe and free society.  Bluster on about how they're ignorant/sadistic/paranoid/racist and so forth, and you will neatly play in to the BS storyline NRA leadership is trying so eagerly to sell.

    •  Totally agreed on that final paragraph... (9+ / 0-)

      ...(the rest too). We should always make a distinction between NRA members and NRA leadership. I still know many members (I was one until 1987) who are perfectly reasonable people, as well as being Democrats. They can be our allies in reducing gun violence if we're smart about it and don't write them all off.

      That isn't to say that many are not, in fact, ignorant, sadistic, paranoid and racist.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:04:22 PM PST

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      •  If they were so reasonable (1+ / 0-)
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        wouldn't they be out of the NRA by now?  I mean, I'm a gun owner and I figured out LONG ago--before all these recent shootings--that the NRA is an organization of extremists.  You'd have to live in a cave to be unaware of this.  The NRA has blood on its hands and if you're paying membership dues and being counted in their membership totals, you are at the very least enabling their crap.    

        Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

        by Mark Mywurtz on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 03:44:04 PM PST

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    •  There are so many here that support the most (0+ / 0-)

      extreme views.  I wonder if they represent a large proportion of the general pop. All over the country.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:05:08 PM PST

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      •  I don't believe that. (3+ / 0-)
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        It appears you assume anyone not mostly in lockstep with you on this issue is "extreme."  This is precisely the type of comment that discourages real discussion...unless you prefer only to talk with others that agree with you.

        Let's be clear...no matter how how many pies get thrown here, it's likely not going to change the outcome on gun legislation.  

        The NRA leadership...fools and tools that they are...are going to fight tooth and nail to protect those who are paying them, and the people who manufacture and sell assault weapons surely are among them.  I believe common sense will prevail and assault weapons and high capacity magazines will be banned.   I hope so.

        Private ownership of firearms is not going to be taken away...and for good and sufficient reasons that I choose not to enumerate because those reasons are self-evident to anyone who is familiar with world history and chooses to pay attention.  

        The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

        by Persiflage on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:48:01 PM PST

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        •  You assume a great deal. (0+ / 0-)

          I never mentioned taking away private ownership of guns.  I neither recommend it nor think it would ever happen.

          Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

          by Smoh on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:23:59 PM PST

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          •  I read your comments stream. (1+ / 0-)
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            n/t

            The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

            by Persiflage on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 03:31:26 PM PST

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            •  And you saw confiscation there? (0+ / 0-)

              I don't think so.  Go to gogogoeverton's current diary where there is a real live conversation happening.  My anger results from blatant attempts to stop conversation.

              Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

              by Smoh on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 04:15:12 PM PST

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    •  Better yet, ask them if they "no-shit believe (0+ / 0-)

      it's a constitutionally guaranteed freedom to legally" BUY an AR-15 at Walmart.  

      They are a very large gun dealer, perhaps, the largest.

  •  So is the "Take-away" from this is that (6+ / 0-)

    your typical NRA member doesn't have a clue of the NRA's position is....

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:00:55 PM PST

    •  Yup (3+ / 0-)
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      And their might be another take-away.  Rather than try to demonize the NRA (though they really are demons) we might have better luck just championing the bills that people already support.  I think we would all love to make the NRA go away, but perhaps we should focus instead on making assault weapons go away.

      To be clear, I'm not sure about this.  There are real pluses to demonizing the NRA if we can.  But what if we fail, what if gun owners rally around the NRA. Perhaps it is better to focus on what can be done now.  Win the battle that we can win, and slowly, slowly let the NRA become more and more isolated.

      Just a thought.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:06:50 PM PST

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      •  Forget Freud (0+ / 0-)

        What drives humans isn't sex. It's group membership and loyalty.

        The NRA is to them what their football team is to them. It's an icon, a totem.

        It doesn't matter to them that the NRA opposes what they want, because the NRA is on their side. That sentence is complete gibberish rationally but it's exactly their emotional dynamic.

        People get more intensely tribal when they're frightened.

        I'm not sure what action to take. Un-frightening people is slow hard work.

  •  I understand the cognitive dissonance. (7+ / 0-)

    I think many gun owners, maybe most, are not aware of all the extreme positions held by the NRA.  The number and severity of mass killings make any rational person see the need for better controls.  They are being told over and over that controls will destroy the constitution and because freedoms.

    Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

    by Smoh on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:01:16 PM PST

  •  It's not hard to understand . . . (3+ / 0-)
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    they don't like all, or even most, of the NRA's extreme positions, but they do like the NRA's objection to outright confiscation . . . especially of the guns that they and their friends own.  That's the political danger we face . . . that a majority of people will, whether they like NRA positions in general or not, see the NRA as ultimately defending their interests against the "gun confiscators".

    We can win big with those people by talking "gun safety" and "cracking down on criminals", or lose big by talking blanket bans and confiscation.

    Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

    by Deward Hastings on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:01:44 PM PST

    •  I personally vacillate on the assault weapons ... (15+ / 0-)

      ...ban. Not because I think it's a good idea for civilians to have these particular firearms, but because I think it has little chance of passing and very limited impact on reducing overall gun violence and, most important, because pressing it may undermine the campaign to get other measures past that will make a difference in reducing gun violence.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:12:24 PM PST

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      •  Correx: get other measures passed, not past. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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        fuzzyguy, LinSea

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:13:08 PM PST

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      •  I have the same worry (10+ / 0-)

        I think in this case, when the bills come up, they need to separated out.  Allow a vote on each bill (background checks, gun loophole, etc) individually.  The AWB may be a deal breaker for too many to allow the other, far more popular, bills to be passed.  

        So, no omnibus gun bill, but rather a series of bills.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:17:24 PM PST

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        •  100% agreed. n/t (8+ / 0-)

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:37:45 PM PST

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        •  EV - I agree (4+ / 0-)

          more progress will be made with separate votes on elements of gun control.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:01:19 PM PST

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        •  I would like to see them declare themselves (3+ / 0-)
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          ban nock, Empty Vessel, PavePusher

          I mean, actually get an agenda and put it over. just to show the world they can do it. I understand what everybody's saying here about electability but for once, just once, I'd like to see the party get together, come to agreement on something, put a plan together, task our leaders with following it through and then follow up on them untill they do. I mean instead of throwing it out there and trying to be satisfied with the the mess Congresss leaves it.

          (pause to wait for you to stop laughing)

          (another pause while you explain how it can never happen legislatively)

          Yes, I know it seems really far fetched and impossible but its the kind of thing that if we worked on, it could just possibly happen. I'm a Democratic gun owner. i just want to see if they can do it.
          Once upon a time, there were people who would actually take a stand on things besides the NRA.. No fooling!!
          I think the Democrats ought to at least try it because they may gain more from people respecting them for what they believe than from showing everybody how ineffectual they are.
          I could be wrong and I'm certainly not optimistic about this ever happening.

          Happy just to be alive

          by exlrrp on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 02:25:04 PM PST

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      •  Same . . . (4+ / 0-)

        I think that the overwhelming majority of people understand that the weapons pictured in the diary are not useful to and are not desired by most people.  They appeal to the survivalist/insurrectionist/milita mentality, which is still substantially a minority group (and which nevertheless also has rights).  It is also widely recognized as not the group, however crazy many of us may think they are, that is responsible for most gun violence.

        I suspect most Coloradans wouldn't mind if those guns all just "went away".  But then they read stuff like we've been seeing here recently and think:  "wait a minute, that's my gun they're talking about, not some "military assault rifle".

        Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

        by Deward Hastings on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:37:51 PM PST

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      •  I don't think any significant legislation becomes (0+ / 0-)

        law, without bold initiatives.

        To me the banning of assault weapons is essential to effective legislation.  We had it up until Bush the lesser.  There is absolutely no reason we can't have it now.

  •  About 20 years ago, the NRA was not getting (0+ / 0-)

    much money from gun manufacturer's.  Now they are and representatives sit on their board.  I think maybe long-time members have not noticed how extreme the NRA has gotten - power corrupts and all that...

    ...Son, those Elephants always look out for themselves. If you happen to get a crumb or two from their policies, it's a complete coincidence. -Malharden's Dad

    by slowbutsure on Mon Jan 21, 2013 at 01:02:48 PM PST

  •  Death, Taxes, and Cognitive Dissonance (1+ / 0-)
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    The three things that are certain in America.

  •  More "Get the Government out of my Medicare!" (0+ / 0-)

    "news" at 11

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