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The state of Georgia has found itself a nifty way to privatize public education and fund anti-gay schools at the same time. Georgia, like a number of other states, gives tax credits to people who contribute to nonprofit organizations that then use the money to give scholarships to private schools—it's basically vouchers by another name. And in Georgia, many of the private schools funded are Christian schools with outrageously anti-gay policies, Kim Severson reports:
A male student at the Shiloh Hills Christian School in Kennesaw, who utters "I like boys" or "I am a homosexual" will be expelled.

And at the 800-student Providence Christian Academy 20 miles north of Atlanta, a student who is gay, lesbian or bisexual or supports people who are could be kicked out.

Seriously, the state of Georgia is funneling money to a school that would expel a student for supporting gay people. But it's all good, according to school administrators. Just a part of the beautiful rainbow of diverse schools with absolutely no diversity among their students.
"You can be a Jewish school. You can be a Muslim school. It’s the same as a Catholic school or if I wanted to go to an all-girls school or a homosexual school," said Claudia Hunt, who runs admissions for the Providence Christian Academy, a kindergarten-through-12th-grade school in Lilburn.

"That is why we are independent schools," she said. "We all have different missions."

Yeah, and I'll just bet Georgia's tax credit program includes a "homosexual school." With a policy that supporting straight people is grounds for expulsion.

A tax credit that simultaneously undermines the principles behind universal public education and punishes kids if they're gay or just not bigoted enough? What a win-win-win for the far right.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 09:17 AM PST.

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  •  I thought Republicans opposed state funding for (2+ / 0-)
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    I see what you did there.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 09:28:26 AM PST

    •  only state schools (6+ / 0-)

      that guaranty equal access to all children.

      •  jfromga - do you know how the program (0+ / 0-)

        actually works? I assume there is some limit on the credit. Does the credit reduce state income taxes dollar for dollar?

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:27:25 AM PST

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        •  the Department of Education Site (1+ / 0-)
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          Explanations and copy of the law at the site

          One of the legislators who introduced the bill and his faith based school charity:

          His hometown:

          Powder Srprings, Cobb County, Georgia, part of the metro Atlanta/Marietta bedroom communities, well above median state income:

          The city has had about a 12 point shift upwards in the African American demographic between the 2000 and 2010.  Cobb County is a typical Atlanta area county, with a fair amount of de facto segregation by zip code. Better than the bad old days, but still work to be done to break down barriers.

          These charities are moving the opposite direction.  Aimed t make it easier to move children out of the public schools and cut down on taxes.  

          •  Atlanta/Fulton County - Big City (2+ / 0-)
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            pyegar, lyvwyr101

            Cobb County - well-off snobby elitists and biblethumpers.

            Anti-gay to the core, caused a stick over an anti-gay law or someting back during the 96 Olympics.

            Kennesaw, part of Cobb, requires every home to have at least one gun.

            And 3 banjos.

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

            by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:59:08 PM PST

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      •  The credit has a limit of $1,000 per individual (1+ / 0-)
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        or $2,500 for a couple filing jointly, or the amount of the contribution whichever is less. There is also a federal offset provision which can reduce the write off. There is an annual max for each scholarship of $9,800.

        So it's not a program where parents could turn $20,000 of private school tuition into a tax write off. However, if parents funded at the $2,500 level and their child received a $2,500 scholarship at a parochial school that would likely cover a meaningful portion of the tuition.


        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 01:22:53 PM PST

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        •  but corporations can make larger (1+ / 0-)
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          contributions, so small businesses may contribute before taxes, and the owner of the small business may contribute.  There can be no direct promise of a scholarship, but there's promises and promises.

          Plus the individuals are limited on their Georgia returns, but can take a larger federal deduction.   It can amount to significant savings for the right people.   As most tax policy is structured, taxes favor the rich.

          •  jfromga - how much are the max corp contributions? (1+ / 0-)
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            I noticed that all potential participants have to pre-submit an application, which must be approved, before they can make the contribution. Also, there is an annual state wide cap, which is likely why there is pre-approval process.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 05:42:55 PM PST

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            •  Fifty million state wide cap (3+ / 0-)
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              so chances are plenty of people will make contributions.

              I don't remember exactly,   but caps at 75% of tax obligation.   The link has a link to the statute.

              I haven't looked at regulations,  so I don't know what pass through options, etc. do to affect small closely held corporations that have S treatment, etc.

              Nevertheless,  the example at the DOR website shows a couple with a $4000 charitable exemption at the federal level calculation, will also get $1500 credit on state taxes after the caps are applied.   That can easily be 25% of the  state tax burden of a family making about $75K.It is a meaningful shift in tax burdens.

          •  does that apply to sole proprietorships (1+ / 0-)
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            and S corps?  It would not be difficult to set up a shell corporation for the explicit purpose of funneling cash.  Also, how restrictive are the scholarships?  How much can they be targeted to match the needs of specific students?

    •  that is for public education where poor people (1+ / 0-)
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      and minorities go.  Academies are the dodge they have used since 1968 to enforce segregation

  •  That darn First Amendment (1+ / 0-)
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    which means that if you have a government policy (the state tax scholarship program) you can't distinguish among eligible schools based on the message of the school.

    The only solution, if you don't want them to be eligible for the tax incentive, is to do away with the program completely so that no one can take advantage of the tax incentive.  If you have a program at all, government cannot distinguish among those schools based on their "message."  

    The fact is, people with views you hate have a constitutional right to be treated the same under the tax laws as people with views you like.  

    •  I don't think the first amendment (2+ / 0-)
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      protects discrimination. I'm pretty sure you couldn't establish a whites only school. Why is it OK for them to discriminate against LGBT?

      •  Sure you could do a whites-only school. (1+ / 0-)
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        And it would be a scandal for sure if state money made it there...which is the whole point of this diary.

        I think coffee is right though on the gov needing to modify its policy (which probably exists in the first place to fund christian schools) in order for this to be illegal.

        I see what you did there.

        by GoGoGoEverton on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:19:37 AM PST

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      •  hnichols - my guess is that the schools need to (0+ / 0-)

        follow state and national civil rights laws and certain Title IX regulations. What current protections does the LGBT community have under state or federal civil rights or Title IX laws?

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:30:31 AM PST

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      •  You are wrong. (3+ / 0-)
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        Private discrimination -- discrimination by anyone OTHER THAN the government --  is completely legal under the Constitution, and in fact is protected under the First Amendment protections for speech, assembly, and religion..  The Constitution only prevents the government from engaging in discrimination.  

        The only time a non-governmental entity or group is prohibited from discrimination is if they are a place of public accommodation as specifically defined in the Civil Rights laws (restaurants, stores, etc.). That's a federal law, not the Constitution.  Private elementary and secondary schools are not covered.  You can have all-male private schools, for example -- there are many here in New Orleans -- that clearly, clearly discriminate against women by keeping them out.  Same for all-female schools.

        People legally can discriminate in private schools, the same way I legally can discriminate in my home (assuming it's not in a place of pubic accommodation).  I can have a block party, invite everybody in my neighborhood but the Asian family, put up big signs at my house saying, "Block party on Saturday at this house at 7!  Free food and drink!  Everybody is invited except the Asian family because I hate Asians!"  And that's perfectly legal -- and completely within my rights under the First Amendment (I'm NOT saying I approve of that kind of conduct).  And the government cannot penalize me tax wise, because I do that.  The Government cannot say, people who espouse these (good) views in their homes get a 50% break on their property taxes, or people who discriminate in their homes against Asians, or women, or LGBT, do not get such and such a tax break.  That would be a clear, clear First Amendment violation.

        In other words, yes, the First Amendment DOES protect discrimination.  The First Amendment protects abhorrent views just as much as views you like.  

        •  You're mostly wrong (3+ / 0-)
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          A private school cannot discriminate based on race.  In 1976, a private school was sued for not allowing african-americans to attend.  The private school took the case to the Supreme Ct. and lost - the Court ruled that 42 U.S.C.S. § 1981 had been violated.  1981 basically says that every person in the US should have the same right to make and enforce contracts as white persons.  By denying people this right, you are violating federal law.

          Bob Jones University didn't admit African-Americans for a long time until the Federal government took away their tax exempt charitable status.  Bob Jones University sued and lost -

          Three guesses for why Bob Jones University was allowed to discriminate against blacks for so long - 1. it was a post secondary school, and the rules are often different.  2. There were no black applicants willing to file suit.   3.  attorneys were worried about setting a bad precedent.  

          The point is that if you try to set up an all white private school, you are going to have a humungous fight on your hands and will most likely lose.  

        •  I would point to the association aspects (1+ / 0-)
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          of the Constitution as the courts have generally held that private clubs, so long as they are strictly private, are free to pick and choose with whom they associate.  For decades, restaurants were able to dodge federal discrimination laws by claiming to be private clubs.  I think the Buffalo Room many years ago in GA was the most egregious example where the owner lost his suit. (and shirt)

      •  You must not have been to the South much. Plenty (1+ / 0-)
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        of all white schools...just not called "Whiteness Academy" ...but you have to go through an "in person interview process" .....and that promptly weeds out the "unqualified".

    •  that sounds noble (6+ / 0-)

      but the tax incentive was a way to funnel money to religious schools, that was the motive, that was what was discussed in public.

      It isn't some noble undertaking, but a way to keep religious kids and white kids out of the public schools and keep their parents from paying the full cost.

      •  That's probably true. (1+ / 0-)
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        Which is why I said that the only way to prevent this is not to have the program.  If the people of a state (through their representatives) vote to give a tax break to people who donate to a private school for scholarships, they have to give it to ALL private schools that qualify based on content neutral requirements.  

        The other way to make the point would be to establish your OWN school that teaches values supportive of the LGBT community and to solicit donations for scholarships for that school.  That way, views you like also are supported with the tax break.  But that's up to individuals to do, not the government.

        The best way to combat speech you don't like is with your own speech.  

        •  again sounds noble (1+ / 0-)
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          but this isn't a free speech issue.  This is using tax credits, exemptions for donations to allow individuals to remove their tax burden and and use the money instead to further defund public schools.

          If you believe in the premise of Citizens United that cash is speech, this won't bother you.   If you believe quality universal public education is important to functioning democracies, then this would be disturbing as a policy matter.

      •  RE: religious parents (1+ / 0-)
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        yella dawg

        it seems they mostly worship the color of their own skins

    •  I know you are an attorney so you may (3+ / 0-)
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      appreciate my solution which would be to establish a Muslim or Buddhist or pagan school and then apply to the program.  They would be forced to allow me to participate or else it would expose the true goal of their legislation.

      Think of it as academic blockbusting  

  •  2013---and what a sad---pathetic mentality (5+ / 0-)

    these people demonstrate.

    Where does this hateful----bigoted mind-set come from?

    When I think of all the brave--gay---preyed-upon young people who have chosen to take their own lives---unable to protect themselves from the abuse and the cruelty and the prejudice.

    Who actually tries to inculcate hatred?

    Who promotes values as poor as this?

    Sometime I wish people like this would just pack and get the hell out.

    Their  hatred---their contempt and their bigotry will never be a plus---actually not anywhere I guess-

    I must be getting old.

    The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

    by lyvwyr101 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 09:43:59 AM PST

  •  There is nothing "Christian" about hating gays. (6+ / 0-)

    I suppose any private school can have any policies they want to have, but the idea that tax dollars go to support this bigotry is very disturbing.

    Sometimes I think parts of the South are just hell-bent on continuously being on the wrong side of history. There are plenty of LGBT folks in the South--Atlanta especially. I would hope that the LGBT communities in Georgia are taking what action they can take.

    What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

    by commonmass on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:11:03 AM PST

    •  Although I do want to shake the shit out of folks (2+ / 0-)
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      who send kids to these schools or work for them, KNOWING that their own views or persons are not compatible with the philosophy and that they could be fired or dismissed at any point. Why set yourself up for that?

      I see what you did there.

      by GoGoGoEverton on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:20:41 AM PST

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    •  while it is not exactly biblical (0+ / 0-)

      it is a good thing to remember even the Devil can quote Scripture.
      The sexual underground in Atlanta is something the rest of the state wants to know nothing about (except when officials and pols need a little time to blow off steam and then you would be surprised to see whom you will see in the clubs)

      •  It's not biblical (1+ / 0-)
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        It's Shakespeare. Merchant of Venice Act 1 Scene 3.

        If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

        by Major Kong on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:43:24 PM PST

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        •  thank you; I should have known that (0+ / 0-)

          Shylock is one of his most fleshed out and human of characters.

          I think it is hooked onto Scripture as a reference to the Temptation in the Wilderness where Satan used various laws to tempt Jesus into sin

  •  Will wait on how many "Muslim schools" are funded (3+ / 0-)
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    in Georgia.

  •  They hate gays more than they love Jesus (5+ / 0-)

    I find this to be a very effective meme, and I'd like to see it spread.

  •  I grew up attending religious schools. (1+ / 0-)
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    Specifically Orthodox Jewish schools.  Some were more lenient than others with regard to their students' religious observance; the grade school I attended had many students who didn't keep a kosher home, while one of the high schools I attended could suspend or expel students for not dressing according to the school's standards over weekends and vacations.

    I have some understanding for a private religious school that wants to keep its students in line with religious strictures, but if you decide policy for a school of that kind, at a certain point you have to decide which is more important to you: education or indoctrination.  Strict enforcement of religious law might seem like it gets you better results with indoctrination -- but you're going to lose kids that way, and those kids are going to lose their chance at the education you offer.  Let those kids stay in the school and let them learn things, and when they reach an age of choosing for themselves how they're going to live, at least there's a chance that they'll choose what you've taught them.  Kick them out now, and that isn't going to happen.

  •  Old times here sho' ain't forgotten N/T (2+ / 0-)
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    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 01:18:41 PM PST

  •  It's not California that will fall into the ocean (2+ / 0-)
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    it will be the Old South from the weight of stupid that dominates down there.  

    Can we please, please, please let them secede this time?  All you sane people can come live in Oregon or Washington.  If you like the country you can move east of the Cascades and outnumber our home grown conservatives.  If not, Portland and Seattle welcome you.

    •  You know- (0+ / 0-)

      I'm actually beginning to feel the same way.

      There is no cure for stupid.

      The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

      by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:34:34 PM PST

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  •  These areas harbor an absolute freakshow (2+ / 0-)
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    of religious schools and churches.

    Lilburn... ugh.

    The Christian academies are private and it just seems unconstitutional for tax dollars to support them, even if they weren't bible-thumping mouth-breathers.

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:56:31 PM PST

  •  more oxymoronic "faith-based" bigotry /nt (1+ / 0-)
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    Warning - some snark above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ "We're like a strip club with a million bouncers and no strippers." (HBO's Real Time, January 18, 2013)

    by annieli on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:57:47 PM PST

  •  "A homosexual school" (1+ / 0-)
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    WTF is that? A school that likes other schools?

    That actually sounds like a great kind of school to send kids to, now that I think of it. :)

  •  But it IS legal to discriminate against gay people (7+ / 0-)

    in private schools, in public accommodations, or in any other venue, whether by intent or effect. Unlike racial, ethnic or religious minorities, homosexuals are NOT a protected class under federal or Georgia law. I think Fultion & DeKalb Counties have anti-discrimination ordinances that protect sexual minorities, but that's it. A person expelled from a private school (or fired from a job or evicted from an apartment or denied service at a restaurant, for that matter) for being gay or supporting gay people has no legal recourse under the law. For my part, I believe that sexual orientation should be a protected class, but the fact remains that it isn't. For all that gay people have achieved over the last 4-5 decades, for all that our society has changed, our laws haven't changed much. As moving as it was to hear President Obama's inclusion of gay rights in his inaugural address, our movement is still a long, long way from being able to declare victory.

    •  Important post--this one. (1+ / 0-)
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      The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

      by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:36:53 PM PST

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    •  even more interesting is that non-gays (1+ / 0-)
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      who champion LGBT causes can also come to grief.  It is legal to discriminate against people based on sexual orientation based solely upon your individual perception of if a person appears gay or appears to support gay causes.

      It reminds me of those states where people were fired for Obama stickers.  The Greeks (whom these folks invoke without knowing it) believed in a democracy of the mind. Evidently such democracy is not allowed in GA

  •  Well shut my mouth, and corny cornpone. (1+ / 0-)
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    A tax reduction, because of a donation to an organization which promotes a religious belief, is a de-facto government funding of that organization to the extent of the tax relief.  IMHO, that's a violation of the separation of Church and State.  I know, I know the framers meant one particular State religion over another.  Well, I'll stick to my interptretation, thank you.  Nothing gets me more riled up than religious organizations getting a break to peddle their poisonous, ruinous doctrines to the youth of our country.  Remember, God is with us, and is a tool used to extinguish the lives of those who are felt to be a threat to the God users.

    There is no hell on earth appropriate enough for those who would promote the killing of another person, in the name of a god.

    by HarryParatestis on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:13:13 PM PST

    •  It is called a reach-around (1+ / 0-)
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      I still have one upset winger when I referred to it as such but what else can it be when people can use their businesses to donate to shell nonprofits which grant scholarships for kids to attend academies?    

    •  Absolutely. (3+ / 0-)
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      Under no circumstances should these people be allowed to slap the label of christianity on any of this.

      This is outright hatred---it's outright---bigotry---it's outright mean-spiritedness---and it is major prejudice and a whole lot of ignorance and stupidity---as well.

      There's nothing christian about any of this---and no one should hesitate to tell them so---loudly and publicly.

      Shame on em'.

      The Onion says----scholars have discovered---the Mayan word for "Apocalypse" in fact---translates more accurately as: "Time of pale obese gun monsters."

      by lyvwyr101 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:44:31 PM PST

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  •  I blame this on the Bush 43 crap (1+ / 0-)
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    with that Office of Faith Based initiatives that he started with taxpayer money.  It emboldened these shits with their ideas about bringing America along towards becoming a minority-women-gay-hating country.  

    There was far less support for any of this shit before Bunnypants Bush started down this road towards decimating the First Amendment (along with about a half a dozen others except, of course, the second) and coarsening America's tolerance of anyone not white, prosperous, and in short, like him.  

    It's going to be a shame in 100 years when we are sending our most successful kids to schools in Scandanavia, Southern Europe, and Asia, because universities here don't exist anymore, secondary schools suck and primary education consists of taking tests on memorized material to be advanced.  Another step on making America the first Feudal Republic, with indentured servitude and being a peon will be a privilege.  

    Imagine the shock when those kids go to schools overseas and discover that they are not allowed to hate teh gay, blah people and many, many people speak more than one language. Oh, and it's not English.  

    A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

    by jo fish on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:22:01 PM PST

  •  Well, Jesus did say "And the greatest of these (2+ / 0-)
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    is hate"

    I would say snark, but really it is being really annoyed at being the same species as these folk.

    ...Son, those Elephants always look out for themselves. If you happen to get a crumb or two from their policies, it's a complete coincidence. -Malharden's Dad

    by slowbutsure on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:23:39 PM PST

  •  WTF is wrong with people? :( (2+ / 0-)
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    This just brings to mind the most basic questions.

    Like, who wakes up in the morning and decides to hate gay people? What is that, even? So pointless.

    It is more important to be a confident and articulate speaker than to know jack shit about anything.

    by VictorLaszlo on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:24:32 PM PST

  •  It's segregation on steriods. Georgia's keeping (1+ / 0-)
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    yella dawg

    tradition alive. :(

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:47:30 PM PST

  •  FWIW one of my kids benefited from this program (0+ / 0-)

    at a very GLBT friendly Catholic school which was also racially mixed but given the vast numbers of "Christian Academies" aka "Segregation Academies" in Ga there is definitely a lot of subsidized hate going on.  But to me the real goal was to allow people to contribute to churches (most are attached to churches) and get a tax credit while undermining public education.  It's called the "Goal Scholarship" and only available to kids who transfer in from public school, although it can be applied every year after to the student.  Schools can decide how to apply the funds, who qualifies, and do not have to spend all the money every year.  In our case I ended up paying just as much as I did before when I received ordinary financial aid for my older child.  "Goal" credits are also available for donations to non religiously affiliated private schools but outside of metro areas those are rare.  

  •  Great article (1+ / 0-)
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    yella dawg

    about Georgia's so-called credit program. It's already done so much damage to the public schools, and I'm furious that my taxes are used this way. I sure would have liked to have sent my daughter to Paideia instead of Grady.

    It's not just a zip code, it's an attitude.

    by sboucher on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 10:24:46 PM PST

    •  Those are familiar names :) (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm an native of the area . . .
      If she's still in high school you might want to look into Padeia
      and financial aid.  I have no idea what your financial situation is and won't presume but at many schools the income limit is surprisingly high -- much more like college financial aid.  

  •  The South has always loathed American democracy (0+ / 0-)

    So these Southerners ease the creation of sectarian schools that will foster sectarian divisions in society and hasten another Civil War that has always been the goal of all the Whites in the South.

  •  They are clever. (0+ / 0-)

    They do clever shit like this but have such stone-aged beliefs.  Go figure.

    "When you think about the money spent/on defense by the government/& the weapons of destruction we've built/we're so sure that we need/then you think of the millions that money could feed/How long?" J Browne

    by rainmanjr on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 01:37:35 AM PST

  •  I can't wait to get the F out of Georgia. ntneeded (0+ / 0-)

    Strange but not a stranger.

    by jnww on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 04:34:11 AM PST

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