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There was a diary yesterday that talked about giving up your social network passwords to your boss: mariesamuels' diary Dare I use the "U" word? The NLRB says it will protect you.

Other than the blatant illegality of that (all social networks have a TOS that forbids sharing your password), there are deeper repercussions that no one seems to be addressing.

If your boss has the password to your social network accounts, what prevents your boss from posting on your networks as you?

Aside from the hilarity that would ensue, dig deeper.

What if your boss, posing as you on your social network, posts untrue, ranty, or otherwise negative, mean, or nasty things about your company, your co-workers, your boss?

What will that do to your job?  Assuming you get to keep your job, that is?

How do you prove you didn't approve of what was posted on your account?  After all, you gave your boss permission to use your account by giving your boss you password. Anything then posted on your account was done with your approval and permission. No matter that you personally would never say that.

What if your boss gave your password to someone else in the company, someone who had it in for you, and they used that password to make sure you lost your job?

How do you prove you didn't allow your boss to share your password?

What if your boss wants to fire you (to hire his best bud, for instance), and you've given him no cause?  What's preventing him from using your password to make sure you get fired?

You can't prove your boss posted those words or pictures. You can't prove you didn't approve of your boss using your account.

You gave your password up.

If an interviewer or boss asks for your password, the best response is, "Good one!  I can't give you my password. I hope I passed your network security test."

And if they pressure you further, you have a decision to make.  

Mine's simple.

No job is worth that degree of invasion of privacy just to get a job.  They don't own me, just a segment of my time and skills.  Either they trust me, or they don't hire me.

My employers don't get to own my friends, my family, my social network. Ever.  If I choose not to tell them about my children, spouse, cousin, former spouse(s), parents, grandparents, BFFs, then they don't get to know about them.  Ever.  And if I choose not to share with my employers what I do in my off-work hours, then they'll never get to know what I do at home, on vacation, on the weekends or my days off.  Ever.

The are paying me to do a job.  I do it.  I do it rather well, actually.  But I only work for them while I'm on the clock. Once I clock out, I am on my own, to do as I will, and they don't own me after hours.  They don't get to tell me I can't have a glass of wine with dinner, or drink beer with my buds at the game, or eat fried foods, or volunteer for an organization they disapprove of, or how I vote.

Nobody gets my passwords.  Ever.

If I die, my heirs will get a list of all the sites where I log in, and the information on how to submit a death certificate to them so they can delete those accounts.  I love my heirs, but not even they get access to my passwords and accounts, only to the sites who will then shut down and delete my sites.

No one gets my passwords.

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  •  Tip Jar (17+ / 0-)

    All knowledge is worth having. Check out OctopodiCon to support steampunk learning and fun. Also, on DKos, check out the Itzl Alert Network.

    by Noddy on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 09:48:10 PM PST

  •  True enough. (11+ / 0-)

    I'm not on FB or any other social networking site, and I certainly would never volunteer my screen name at this site, either.

    In fact, when I was job-hunting, I set up an email at Yahoo just for job-hunting with an entirely different screen name than Youff, which I use everywhere else.

    To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

    by Youffraita on Tue Jan 22, 2013 at 10:25:25 PM PST

  •  Thanks noddy (8+ / 0-)

    I agree no one should have passwords esp. employers.

    It is a terrible thing to see and have no vision. ~ Helen Keller

    by Pam from Calif on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:11:23 AM PST

  •  When I first heard (7+ / 0-)

    that employers were doing that, I thought it was just a fluke, just a rogue employer or two.  Clearly, employers don't have enough real work to do to warrant their salaries.  

    I've never had an employer ask for passwords or even if I participate in social networks.  If one did, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have a job afterward.  It wouldn't be because I do Facebook, etc., but because I'd likely get on a serious rant about rights and responsibilities, both mine and theirs.

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 03:22:49 AM PST

  •  Illegal interview questions (6+ / 0-)

    It is ironic that there is a whole list of job interview questions that are illegal and yet apparently it is legal for a company to ask for user passwords.  IMHO, the fact that a company can ask for access to one's private internet accounts is, at the very least, as invasive as asking the illegal interview questions.  Therefore, it should be illegal to ask a job applicant for access to his or her internet accounts.

    "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

    by gulfgal98 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 04:45:56 AM PST

    •  I expect the illegal questions list was compiled (3+ / 0-)
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      LONG before internet access and social media became as prevalent among the general population as currently.

      Obviously whatever branch of government needs to get busy and UPDATE THAT LIST OF QUESTIONS!

      SUCH a blatant invasion of privacy!

      "real" work : a job where you wash your hands BEFORE you use the bathroom...

      by chimene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:38:00 PM PST

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  •  I am so with you, on the password (7+ / 0-)

    and on drawing lines about what my employer "owns" and what they don't. I've spent a bit of time unemployed due to my feelings about this, but it's always served me well.

    Nice to have power back. It went out Thursday, and was restored Monday night. I used up about half my candles. And kept busy busting ice out of the water trough and putting it in buckets in the fridge, bags in the freezer.

    Hope all have a great day.

    Only thing more infuriating than an ignorant man is one who tries to make others ignorant for his own gain. Crashing Vor

    by emmasnacker on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:35:33 AM PST

  •  Chilly morning! (6+ / 0-)
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    broths, mint julep, Noddy, weck, chimene, liz dexic

    It was in the low 40's high 30's last night, and Sophie spent the night curled under the covers next to me. Now that I'm up she's curled up with my daughter.

    I agree, no employer gets my password to DKOS, or even my handle on DKOS. I'm not on Facebook and I don't mess with twitter (I had an account a while back but I don't remember the password either at this point). I keep a low profile online so far as r/l name and such goes for personal security reasons. If an employer doesn't get that, they can bite me.
    But even if I did have a lot of social networking accounts, they still wouldn't get my password. Heck I don't even ask my son for his email password, or his Deviant Art password. He doesn't have a Facebook account either, nor does he want one. I don't have Dad or Caedy's passwords either. I do have my daughter's but she's young enough that she still needs help with her email account sometimes, and we still monitor hers. My son however will be 18 in six months. He's already earned my trust with internet security, and he's almost an adult at any rate.

    "Madness! Total and complete madness! This never would've happened if the humans hadn't started fighting one another!" Londo Mollari

    by FloridaSNMOM on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 05:48:53 AM PST

    •  not so chilly here, at last! RAINING! (2+ / 0-)
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      and I don't think we ever did get the "freezing rain" forecast for last night.

      we did have fun though, at one point: driving out of town to the big hardware store, just at sundown, we were gobsmacked at the frozen frost on the evergreens. absolutely gorgeous, looked like Christmas card art! The fog was much denser north of the built-up area, too.

      We have one big herkin' password utility, where all the passwords get recorded, for reference. I only use a few, but teh DH, Mr Computer, has a zillion, we'd never keep things straight if they weren't written down SOMEwhere.

      "real" work : a job where you wash your hands BEFORE you use the bathroom...

      by chimene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 02:44:39 PM PST

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  •  Good morning everyone! (5+ / 0-)

    I'm not on Facebook or any other sites. I'm my own boss, so no one knows my passwords, not even my husband.

    Yes, FloridaSNMOM, it is chilly here, but since it's freezing up north, I can't complain.  At least the sun is out this morning.

    We're doing a bunch of errands today.

    Have a good day.

    I am a work in progress. Still.

    by broths on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 06:08:54 AM PST

  •  At my business, the passwords are written down, (4+ / 0-)
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    FloridaSNMOM, Noddy, broths, liz dexic

    and at home they are not.  I hope my elderly brain can remember them; I have a system, which helps me guess when I forget.

    Sunny and frigid here, but it passes by the weekend!

    If love could have saved you, you would have lived forever. &

    by weck on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 07:40:18 AM PST

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