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Harry Reid caved big time to Mitch McConnell on filibuster reform.

In some ways, the Reid-McConnell filibuster reform deal is even worse for Democrats than the rules currently in use in the Senate. First, Senate Republicans can offer two "poison pill" amendments to any bill that Reid cannot block, and no real limits are placed on McConnell's power to force 60-vote super-majorities on nearly every bill or nomination. Additionally, most of the new rules are in place for only the next two years, meaning that the filibuster reform debate will more than likely be front and center once again come January 2015.

I will admit that there are a couple of provisions that I do like in this filibuster reform package which would make it more difficult for Senate Republicans to block district court and sub-cabinet appointees. The current rules allow Senate Republicans to force up to 30 hours of wasted time before any nominee can be confirmed, and, for circuit court of appeals judges, Supreme Court judges, and cabinet officials, this is still the case. For district judges, the amount of wasted time that Republicans can force is reduced to 2 hours. For sub-cabinet officials, the amount of wasted time that Republicans can force is reduced to 8 hours.

However, any filibuster reform that gives Republicans two free shots to insert "poison pill" amendments to bills and sunsets in two years is a sham, and Harry Reid should face a credible Democratic primary challenger in his home state of Nevada when his seat if up for election in 2016.

Any Nevada Democrats willing to mount a primary challenge to Harry Reid in 2016?

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  •  Be careful what you wish for (11+ / 0-)

    There is a fair chance that we may lose the Senate in 2014, and if the Pennsylvania Republicans get their way, the Presidency in 2016. Suddenly, that minority power looks really appealing.

    Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

    by MrAnon on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:06:14 PM PST

  •  nope. (23+ / 0-)

    I may not like the dumb compromise but it doesn't earn him a primary challenge.  He represents a barely Democratic leaning state.  We can't expect him to be as stridently progressive as someone from a state like New York or California.

    On the other hand, perhaps, given that he's from a swing state, he shouldn't be the leader in the senate.  It just brings him more attention and controversy than is necessary.  And we should have a senate leader that not only supports but pushes progressive legislation and doesn't have to worry about how people at home will feel.

    ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

    by James Allen on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:10:12 PM PST

  •  Saw this comment on another board. (10+ / 0-)

    To paraphrase "Reid threw away all the hard work people did to get Obama elected.  Obama cannot get his agenda passed now."  

    Harkin came to the point and told Obama to take a 4 year vacation for all the good it will do.  

    Obama will need more than his chess skills.  Hope for a star in the east.

  •  Who™? (4+ / 0-)

    And I ain't talkin' about She Who™? Is Irrelevant, either!

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:12:56 PM PST

  •  DownstateDem - Harry Reid is a force in NV (17+ / 0-)

    There will be no successful primary of Harry Reid in Nevada. The Reid family is a force in the NV Democratic Party and anyone running against him will be running against the Dem party establishment. No one wants to cross Harry Reid in Nevada.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:20:15 PM PST

  •  There's Just No Good News or Angle Here. (7+ / 0-)

    Any way you look at this, the picture is more dire than the last.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 09:51:59 PM PST

  •  I live in Nevada (8+ / 0-)

    and... all the local political press types, the ones with any access to Reid like Jon Ralston, all have been laying the groundwork that all the signs they see point to the sobering conclusion that he might not planning on running for re-election in 2016 at all.

    No primary opponent necessary.

    It's pretty telling that Reid didn't hesitate to fold up his tent and do a handshake deal he swore he would never do last year.

    I think getting Obama re-elected was his last hurrah. The reason he was willing to play those headgames with Mitt Romney before the election he couldn't really back up with anything besides more doubling down on more headgames and rumors about the Mittster.

    Harry Reid is the Nevada State Democratic Party Machine. It's going to be a big deal if he steps away, because his kid Rory doesn't appear to have much of a future in national politics, and he's not as good as his father when it comes to retail politics around the State.

    Who knows where we go from here.

    Nevada has a lot of Florida in it, a state of Democrats that puts wingnuts and faux moderates in places of power.

    There is no real Democratic bench in Nevada. Reid's son Rory blew it against Ensign. There is no fucking way that Dina Titus is going to give up a House seat after losing her last one in Henderson and having to move to get a new one, Shelley Berkeley is done after losing to Dean Shitbag Heller after bigfooting her way into the race.

    The local GOP, so inept they make Massachusett Republican hacks look competent, won't be allowed to make the Sharron Angle mistake again.

    We have the state's Democratic AG, Catherine Cortez Masto, and my money is on her running for Governor if Sandoval goes for that Senate seat. She's not really likely to go for that Senate seat if Sandoval is around to.

    Clearing the way for Tea Party Senator Brian Sandoval, if he's not the VP candidate on the 2016 GOP ticket.

    Harry Reid sucks.

    But the big talk, and he did talk a whole lot of shit about doing something big both here and nationally, and then Reid coming up small is just another log on the pile of him not being around after this term.

    We need a new Senate leader.

    As Dashchle and Reid have shown us, it is folly to allow a Democratic officerholder from a Purple or Red State be in charge, because the Weasel factor is always going to be a big problem.

    I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

    by LeftHandedMan on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:39:23 PM PST

    •  Also (6+ / 0-)

      Democrats are fooling themselves.

      The GOP is in full-on Cheat Mode from now until the day they can't win at all due to the national shifts in our population makes them non-viable. They know they cannot win a fair fight because of the demographic shifts in this nation now, thanks to Obama's win. The House staying GOP just re-enforces the notion that the full ratfuck needs to be on. They are going to destroy as much as they can of the New Deal before they are forced into the dustbin of history and have to re-invent themselves as something new in the service of rich white people and corporations.

      Mitch McConnell will not hesitate to go nuclear on the filibuster if Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush is President post 2016 and the Senate is held by the GOP after 2014.

      The GOP is in real trouble longer term, but the next 10 to 15 years could be the worst of the Movement Conservative Overreaches of the last 40 before it's over.

      I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

      by LeftHandedMan on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:44:49 PM PST

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      •  We have a bigger problem than Harry Reid (6+ / 0-)

        The Democratic Party wasn't able to handle the Reagan years, the W years, Rove-Atwater Republicanism.

        If it couldn't find a way to get out of its own way from 1980 until 2012, no matter how many times Movement Conservatism epic failed and paid no price for those epic fails, then we can be sure as shit they it just isn't wired to deal with post-Rove Atwater Movement Conservatism.

        I'm betting the electoral college ratfucking of keeping the Red States 100% allocated to the GOP, but allocating the Blue States the GOP runs thanks to 2010 by Congressional district wins and losses, rigging the game so that a Democrat cannot win the Presidency for a term or two until the Democrats start to fight back, will be met by whining and complaining and not a real fight.

        Not unless it's entirely on us, and the Democratic establishment just gets the fuck out of our way and lets us our way to a better outcome.

        I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

        by LeftHandedMan on Thu Jan 24, 2013 at 10:49:36 PM PST

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    •  There's a reason the Daschle's and Reid's (2+ / 0-)
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      get those positions. I'll be explicit: it's because the Democratic Party establishment (i.e. the leadership and others with clout) is not playing for the rank-and-file Democratic agenda. They're playing for the same team the Republican establishment is. They're on the same side. And it isn't our side.

      And until Democrats are willing to lose seats in the short term by voting in primaries for candidates who aren't playing for our opponents what we see happening today will continue to happen. And, frankly, without a very strong left-wing third-party movement I doubt even primary victories (regardless of whether they lead to general election victories) will have much impact. The Democratic Party is currently a center-right party, which is unfortunate since they're the only game in town other than the Batshit Insane Teabilly party that currently has a chance of putting up electoral victories.

    •  Christ on a cruller, (0+ / 0-)

      if Reid isn't going to run again, WHY throw us all under the bus -- and that includes PBO's agenda -- when he could have gone out in a blaze of progressive glory? WHY? Payoff? NRA? WHAT? WHY????

      I ♥ President Obama and have his back.
      Hands off SocSec, Medicare and Medicaid. NO subsidies to rich Corps.
      Rich pay more, bloated DoD steal less. End war on Afghanistan 01/01/14.

      by OleHippieChick on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 05:10:41 AM PST

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  •  Harry Reid must go (1+ / 0-)

    sign the petition - Harry Reid must resign:


  •  A primary challenge? (2+ / 0-)

    By whom, exactly?

    Any Nevada Democrats willing to mount a primary challenge to Harry Reid in 2016?
  •  The Talking Filibuster Was The Issue...... (2+ / 0-)
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    The Hamlet, OleHippieChick

    We wanted them to come to the floor & talk their rear ends off in front of America.  Now Harry Reid, Dick Durbin, Carl Levin & the rest of them took it off the table for years.  

    We still need 60 votes to get anything passed but now they have two (2) guaranteed, iron clad opportunities to stick a poison pill into every single bill that hits the floor.

    The Dems also lost something else w/ their crummy vote yesterday.  They have now lost their chance to blame Republicans for obstruction.  They obstructed us, they stopped things, it's their fault.....isn't going to work anymore.  

    The Dems, including my own Senators Patty Murray & Maria Cantwell, just bent over backward to give Mitch McConnell & Republicans exactly what they wanted..... free reign to thwart gun control, immigration, & worst of all meaningful energy policy & global warming legislature.

    We've been getting a bill of goods from the Dems for years.  They just proved it w/ their votes yesterday to let filibusters reign unstopped & to let poison pills be inserted in every single Senate bill from now on.  

    The Dems are a disgusting lot.  

  •  Wait and see first (1+ / 0-)
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    With Jim DeMint gone, nuclear option narrowly averted, some mild reforms and a larger progressive caucus, there is still a chance that the Senate will function better, perhaps significantly so.

  •  I am a proud Liberal. (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks for nothing Harry Reid.  Republicans have no ideas it is time to stop playing defense all the time and GO ON THE DAMN OFFENSE !!!  Jesus...

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