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Ashley Judd's candidacy may harm our party.  We can't take risks.
Isn't it about time we nominate a real Democrat to represent Kentucky instead of the regular establishment?
Well, it appears that, no surprise, the Kentucky Democratic Party isn't entirely united on the thought of a Ashley Judd candidacy for the U.S. Senate as a means of knocking off Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's re-election campaign.  Certainly, former State Senator Daniel Mongiardo has yet to be convinced of Judd's seriousness and will to be able to convince voters in Kentucky:

http://thehill.com/...

“Whoever runs against him is gonna have a bloody nose. I do think he's vulnerable against the right candidate, but the right candidate has to reflect all of Kentucky, not just parts of Kentucky,” former Democratic Senate candidate Daniel Mongiardo told The Hill.

Mongiardo, considered one of the state’s more centrist Democrats, represented rural parts of Kentucky during his time in the state Senate, and operatives say his endorsement would work to boost any candidate’s bona fides outside of the liberal-leaning cities of Louisville and Lexington.

Oh that's easy Senator Mongiardo:  All Ashley Judd would need to do is campaign.  You do realize she'd do that, wouldn't she?

Perhaps Mongiardo believes it isn't just campaigning but also Judd's political views and the need to build connections within the Kentucky Democratic Party establishment that may make a Judd for U.S. Senate candidacy risky:

Mongiardo said that he hadn’t spoken with Judd, and that while she is clearly an intelligent woman, she’d have issues with the coal-dependent parts of Kentucky. He said that's because of her comments last summer in which she expressed opposition to mountaintop mining, calling it “state-sanctioned, federal government-supported, coal industry-operated rape.”

He said even if she ran unopposed in a primary, he’d want to sit down and talk with her about some of her positions on issues like coal mining before endorsing her.

Judd’s lack of an operation this far out from 2014 is not unusual for most candidates, but Kentucky Democrats say that anyone who hopes to topple McConnell — whom many in Kentucky said is one of the nation’s top politickers, and knows how to work the state — needs to start soon.

“It takes at least a year to travel the state extensively, to make the friends and establish the structure that you need to have. Really, it would take two years if you're trying to raise that type of money and you don't have the type of connections she would need to have,” Mongiardo said.

Senator Mongiardo, I don't think Judd would have issues in communicating to voters that it isn't the jobs that are the issue: It's the energy source that's the issue.  Maybe the bigger question Mongiardo needs to ask, what are he and the Kentucky Democratic Party doing to build their base?  In Congress, we only have one Congressman who is a strong Democrat and he is Rep. John Yarmuth.  Ben Chandler got defeated for re-election last November and now we have to reclaim that seat back.

Besides, the Kentucky Democratic Party may lean on the moderate side but they also have to be Democrats, not DLC politicians.  Maybe strategist Dale Emmons needs convincing as well:

Dale Emmons, a Kentucky Democratic strategist who last worked with Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes in her race for the position, said that while any possible contender still has time to make a decision, every day without the emergence of a challenger is a day wasted.

“There's some time for this to play out, but we don’t need to waste a lot of time on a fantasy. We need a real candidate,” he said.

He went on to echo the concern of multiple Kentucky Democrats that the speculation surrounding a Judd candidacy is freezing the field, and that other candidates are wary of entering while so much national attention is focused on Judd.

“She can play around and then find out what she's really doing is keeping quality candidates from getting in,” he said.

Ok.  So you're saying that a candidate who is a well-known Hollywood actress who happens to be a passionate advocate for progressive causes and activism is not a real candidate?  You're saying that someone who is a strong environmentalist (aka someone who understands global warming) is not a real candidate?  

Who do you want, Bruce Lunsford?  Yeah, he really was a strong Democrat alright.  And he didn't defeat Mitch McConnell in 2008!

Oh but it still might not be enough for Kentucky:

Still, the perception of Judd as a “Hollywood liberal” might be a hard one for the actress to shake, particularly if McConnell spent the same $20 million he spent on his last race trying to make it stick.

And Judd has long been a supporter of President Obama, stumping for him during both his presidential campaigns and even acting as a delegate to the Democratic National Convention, for Tennessee.

That could be a serious problem for a Democratic candidate in a state where 60 percent of voters backed Republican Mitt Romney on Election Day.

And it could ultimately be a problem for down-ballot candidates as well. Multiple Democrats expressed concern that having a candidate like Judd at the top of the ticket would be detrimental to state and federal legislators, who will also be on the ballot in 2014.

Maybe what Kentucky needs is a serious Democratic candidate who can really shake up the establishment and be able to galvanize voters, particularly young voters, as well as actually give a damn about real Democratic values, which can coincide with Kentucky Democratic values so long as Kentuckians stop being DLC Democrats.

Why does Ashley Judd need lecturing on Kentucky values?  She grew up and lived in Kentucky for many years!  So she lives in Tennessee.  Big deal!  Al Franken didn't live in Minnesota for a number of years previous to running for the U.S. Senate in Minnesota, got elected and look at his strong popularity in the state!



Maybe we should give Daniel Mongiardo and others in the Kentucky Democratic Party establishment some feedback:

Kentucky Democratic Party Headquarters
190 Democrat Drive
Frankfort, KY 40601

Phone Number(502) 695-4828
Fax Number(502) 695-7629
E-mail: http://kydemocrat.com/...

And we might as well contact the DSCC:
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
Phone (202) 224-2447
Fax (202) 969-0354
For general information email info@dscc.org

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/...
Twitter:  @DSCC
Google+ :  https://plus.google.com/...
YouTube:  http://www.youtube.com/...

Originally posted to pipsorcle on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:22 PM PST.

Also republished by My Old Kentucky Kos.

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  •  They're probably right, but she could very well (6+ / 0-)

    surprise us all and do well.

    •  Having watched those videos, why? (9+ / 0-)

      Why do you think they're right? They have a vested interest in her not running. They don't want the fishing bowl getting crowded.

      Too many Southern Democrats have given up.  Shaking things up a little isn't a bad way of pursuing an upset. What do we have to lose?  Democrats blew the last two senate elections in Kentucky by settling with these establishment types.

      Governments care only as much as their citizens force them to care. Nothing changes unless we change -- George Monbiot.

      by Nulwee on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:35:04 PM PST

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      •  They are right because I live in Kentucky, and (4+ / 0-)

        Democrats here are really moderate Republicans.   Real Dems are few and far between.  Yes, I wish we had more of them.

        The Tea Party is vigorously going to challenge McConnell, but in KY the Tea Party candidate is the more likely winner.

        Ashley Judd will be destroyed in a Kentucky run for Senate.  They will pull every personal and evil trick to discredit her.

        I will work hard for her election if she runs, and I think she is a good Democratic candidate, very strong if she chooses to run - but in Kentucky, yes, she has to weigh if she wants her reputation destroyed in the process.

        I do think she has a chance of winning, but it's slim.  Her coal stance is against ever rural county east of I-75

        I grew up in Chicago.  I know tough politics.  Kentucky is evil.

        "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

        by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:45:11 PM PST

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        •  Are you doubting Judd is tough? (4+ / 0-)

          Look at the videos again and I suggest doing additional reach on You Tube.  I think Ashley Judd very well knows the Tea Party so even some of us might be underestimating her potential.

          Besides, recent polls put Ashley Judd down by just a slim margin:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

          One challenger he might not have expected is Judd, who is reported to be seriously considering a Democratic bid. PPP found that Judd would be the top choice of Democratic primary voters, and would trail McConnell by just four points in a hypothetical matchup, 43 percent to his 47 percent.
          Another thing, Judd has long roots in Kentucky.  She is a fighter and she can be able to fight back.  I think because she's normally looked as an actress, she just has to get out there on the campaign trail.  I'm thinking people will start liking her.

          She's bright.

          •  No. I am not doubting Judd is tough. I am simply (2+ / 0-)
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            Anthony W, MRA NY

            saying it's a tough, evil campaign.  She has to decide if, first, she want's to uproot her family and move back to Kentucky, and secondly, if she wants to go through that as her first race.

            I hope she runs.  She'd get every woman's vote in the state.  That would be her power.

            "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

            by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:56:21 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Yeah but the Tea Party is losing credibility (4+ / 0-)

              Their base isn't as active as it was in 2009-2010.  Sure, the Tea Party is still active in Kentucky but Judd has the guts to fire back.  I don't think she'll be a wimp and avoid a debate.  Maybe this is what Kentucky needs so it can adapt to the real world.

              Then of course, West Virginia is next.

              •  There are multiple infighting local Tea Party (2+ / 0-)
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                cotterperson, MRA NY

                groups around here, and in northern Kentucky.  If they can't mount a decent candidate against McConnell (I imagine there would be 3-4 in the primary?) it would be a great sign of their disarray.

                I would quit my day job to campaign for Judd.

                "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

                by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:06:43 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

        •  What's wrong with saying the folks (4+ / 0-)

          who run the mines... whose blood, sweat & tears are the backbone of the mining industry... deserve more than coming home in a coffin at the end of the work day because the CEO cuts the miners short $0.59 for a filter or a couple dollars for proper ventilation and warning systems.

          All so he can buy his 14th beachside mansion.

          And the kids up there deserve clean water. And good schools. And their parents are NOT stupid when it comes down to those points.

          Just depends on how you fight back against King Coal and the bigots like Mongiardo. He doesn't speak for the mountains. So, it matters what kind of fire you use.


          One may live without bread, but not without roses.
          ~Jean Richepin
          Bread & Roses

          by bronte17 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:31:34 PM PST

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          •  I can't, unfortunately, think of any industry (2+ / 0-)
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            Wednesday Bizzare, Nulwee

            whatsoever that could take the place of mining in those hills.  I wish I could.

            Put a manufacturing plant in a town, draw from a three-county area for employees?  There's no railroads, and few roads. Your suppliers can't get to you easily, higher costs for you. Cheaper to do that out on the bluegrass plateau than in the hills.

            Can't farm, can't grow cattle, can't log, and tobacco base is gone.  There's nothing but having a meth lab.

            "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

            by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:39:52 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Farming most certainly is done in the mountains (1+ / 0-)
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              Nulwee

              My uncle-in-law was a millionaire self-made man who farmed, raised cattle, hay, corn, crops. Built his own home. Lovely wife and children who grew up like him... self-sufficient.

              Lots of farming in the mountains. Lots of cattle. No logging? Are you kidding?

              Tobacco is still around in places. Farmers have diversified though. Nothing wrong with time marching on and progress.

              And, your standard "manufacturing plant" with big concrete parking lot and rin-tin pop-ups around it aren't necessarily the only economic engine in the room.


              One may live without bread, but not without roses.
              ~Jean Richepin
              Bread & Roses

              by bronte17 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:29:04 PM PST

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      •  As if any of them are going to win (2+ / 0-)
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        mumtaznepal, Nulwee

        McConnell's seat.  When was the last time Kentucky Dems elected someone to the Senate?

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:50:08 PM PST

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      •  I am a Southern Democrat... (5+ / 0-)
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        CwV, cotterperson, mumtaznepal, Nulwee, MRA NY

        in the state that let Democrats down the most this election season.  And I will never give up.  And I firmly believe if the resources and effort is put into most southern states, we can turn the South blue in time.

        We have to grab ahold of any potential winner in every red state and support them with all we've got.  Every new young voter we turn into a Democrat will probably be a Democrat for life.

  •  My fiancée is a lifelong Kentuckian... (10+ / 0-)

    ...and she loves the idea of an Ashley Judd candidacy.

    Apparently she's been showing up to UK basketball games for years and has a bit of Kentucky street-cred to counteract the "Hollywood outsider" spiel.

    I'm all for it, if for no other reason than that it'll make the RSCC and the McConnell campaign spend in Kentucky to defend the Minority Leader's seat even if they lose. With Mongiardo or Chandler, I don't know that the Republicans would have to spend as much to win.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:32:11 PM PST

  •  If any would be challenger is scared out (8+ / 0-)

    of a primary by Ashley Judd, than they don't have a friggin shot at beating Mitch McConnell.

    But it's not Judd scaring them out - they might want to blame her, but they're all scared of taking on McConnell because he plays for keeps and could end their respective political careers.  So they'll try and convince each other to run, but none will run themselves.

    "The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness" -Annie Savoy (Bull Durham)

    by Jacoby Jonze on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:33:02 PM PST

  •  Maybe she could consider running in California (0+ / 0-)

    at some point down the line. There are plenty of offices there for a well connected and well known Hollywood liberal, and a lot of the current officeholders are getting up there in years.

    "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

    by randomfacts on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:41:34 PM PST

    •  I'd like her to run here in Tennessee which (2+ / 0-)
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      zashvil, Nulwee

      is where she has lived for years.

      You can't scare me, I'm sticking to the Union - Woody Guthrie

      by sewaneepat on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:48:00 PM PST

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    •  California is where our bench is deepest... (3+ / 0-)
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      mumtaznepal, greendem, Nulwee

      ...with high-profile Democratic officeholders up and down the state.

      Kentucky really doesn't have any high-profile Democratic electeds on the bench waiting to take on McConnell.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:48:35 PM PST

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      •  We have Jack Conway and he is just a fantastic guy (2+ / 0-)
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        cotterperson, mumtaznepal

        Seriously. He was rabidly undercut by trolls here during his campaign against Rand Paul, so he isn't appreciated as much as he should be.

        Crit Luallen is a heavyweight, but she's reticent it seems. Which is a shame. If she ever ran... her legacy would far outshine Martha Layne. Come on Crit... Kentucky deserves better than Mongiardo.

        We have a young bench in Conway and Alison Lundergan, and Jonathan Miller.

        Yarmuth is just incredible... goes without saying.

        Lexington's Kathy Stein needs to move up and out of her comfort zone.

        And, dear gawd, please dump some ice cold water on Mongiardo's plans to run for Governor in 2015.

        And whatever happened to Virginia Woodward and Lois Weinberg?


        One may live without bread, but not without roses.
        ~Jean Richepin
        Bread & Roses

        by bronte17 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:52:20 PM PST

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    •  I live in California but no thanks (4+ / 0-)
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      Nulwee, bronte17, CwV, cotterperson

      We've got plenty of viable candidates in California.  We don't need Ashley Judd.  Right now, we need people who will challenge Darrell Issa (my preference is Jerry Tetalman), Kevin McCarthy, John Campbell and others.  We basically need to finish off all these in the GOP for re-election.

  •  Mongiardo is a homophobe and a weak (4+ / 0-)
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    mumtaznepal, JamesGG, Nulwee, mommyof3

    player. I say stay in your hometown and stick to your doctoring. Both he and Beshear are in big coal's pockets.

    If Ashley Judd runs, the GOP can say nothing about the fact that she has never held political office because neither did Rand Paul.

    KY Dems are nearly as socially conservative as the GOPers, so it is nearly impossible for a true Dem to find a kindred spirit here except for Yarmouth.

    Gov. Beshear thumps the bible and violates the state's secular Constitution every chance he gets, and Jack Conway is useless in that arena as well. He blows with the wind and his hair never moves.  Crit Luellen might have been interesting, but she bowed out.

    So I say... GO ASHLEY!

    •  I'm all for Ashley Judd.... (2+ / 0-)
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      mumtaznepal, Wednesday Bizzare

      ...but this is a little unrealistic:

      If Ashley Judd runs, the GOP can say nothing about the fact that she has never held political office because neither did Rand Paul.
      Do you really think that Republicans are going to be consistent and not engage in hypocritical attacks?

      The real reason they can't throw that attack in Judd's face is because the Democrats can turn around and paint McConnell as the consummate Washington insider who spends more Sunday mornings in DC doing the talk-show circuit than he spends in Kentucky.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:51:19 PM PST

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    •  You know... Conway is a handsome fellow (2+ / 0-)
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      cotterperson, mumtaznepal

      he can't help that. But, it is not a defining paradigm of his character.

      So cheap shot out of you there.

      Jack Conway has been at the forefront for progressive change and improvement in the Commonwealth. He's tireless in championing improvements to our lives.


      One may live without bread, but not without roses.
      ~Jean Richepin
      Bread & Roses

      by bronte17 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:55:29 PM PST

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      •  Conway has done an excellent job as AG. (1+ / 0-)
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        bronte17

        "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

        by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:43:28 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yes, he's done an excellent job of ducking (0+ / 0-)

          and ignoring letters of protest from national groups over violations of church/state separation. He and Beshear both supported the charter of the state Homeland Security that says the state depends on "almighty God" for our security and mandates a fine if you don't agree with that as a state employee.  He recently found out that ducking this one will not work. SCOTUS will most likely hand him, the Governor and the state legislature their hats on this one.

          He also sees nothing wrong with the Governor using the state website to advertise and take reservations for a Prayer Breakfast and on top of that send emails on the state system encouraging state employees to attend.

          He stood on the side of allowing tax payer dollars to fund a pharmacy school at a religious college that kicked out students for being gay (he lost that case).

          He also saw nothing wrong with the latest attempt at partnering the U of L hospital with the front for the Catholic Church.  (He forgot to read the fine print).

          Now I'd like to see his champions here list what he has done in terms of "progressive change".  He is a typical southern democrat and you won't catch him on the side of social issues that most Dems feel are basic to what the party stands for.

  •  Unless they have someone who polls well, (3+ / 0-)
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    mumtaznepal, cotterperson, MRA NY

    and the last polls I saw looked weak, they should get out of the way and let her have at it.

    I'm sure she'll do some serious polling before she decides to opt in, has a lot of name recognition, will probably do well with fundraising and will likely draw a lot of progressives and environmentalists nationwide as volunteers.

    Besides, it would make a lot of people's day to see McConnell lose to a progressive in Kentucky.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 01:53:02 PM PST

  •  The coal thing would be tough. (4+ / 0-)

    Where is she on guns?

    The problem with politicians being cast as being against coal is those are the only decent jobs.

    Some dude with a HS education can get 100k a year in the mines.

    If dems actually proposed pumping some money in to try to bring other jobs or diversify the economy wouldn't be such an issue.

    Still in Appalachia how much time a candidate actually spends there and endears themselves to voters makes a huge difference.

    That's why Obama did so poorly there. Failed to personalize his speeches. Failed to connect personally with the people.

    •  Message: Save jobs, eliminate coal (1+ / 0-)
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      mumtaznepal

      In other words, tell those who are employed in the coal industry their jobs will be saved so long as the industry is able to adapt to the new renewable energy industry.  There should be a transition.

      I believe this is a better approach, rather than saying "NO on coal" and nothing else.

      •  Coal jobs are leaving all on their own. (1+ / 0-)
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        BobTheHappyDinosaur

        Coal owners are cheap, and tend to scavage their companies profits, rather than investing in expansion for a future that is non-existent.  Old-fashioned, still "company store" types.

        The problem is there are no alternative jobs in Appalachia.  Any Dem that could come up with something would win, for sure.

        "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

        by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:13:05 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  The solutions are there (0+ / 0-)

          What needs to happen is that people actually read about science and start thinking in reality.  

          •  What energy could be produced in Appalachia? (0+ / 0-)

            Not hydro, not wind, not solar.

            "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

            by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:45:14 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  Wind farms on the flat former peaks (0+ / 0-)

          Bed and Breakfast and other tourist stuff. Play up Dan'l Boone: A week escorted camping in Daniel Boone's woods with a different storyteller round the campfire every night. As I recall, country folk are great storytellers and looovvve to put on city folk.

          If there is a deep SAFE coal mine left have coal mine tours.

          And there has to be a rail line to get the coal out

          I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

          by samddobermann on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:38:23 PM PST

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      •  Save jobs *while transitioning* from coal (3+ / 0-)
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        cotterperson, mumtaznepal, Tommye

        because the coal seams and extraction are dying anyway.

        She needs to go to Maysville to that new underground renewable energy mine (hydro power) and campaign on bringing the "new energy" jobs to Kentucky.

        She needs to say that Kentucky powers the country and Kentucky workers will continue to do so in clean, safe renewable energy jobs.

        You spin the positive.


        One may live without bread, but not without roses.
        ~Jean Richepin
        Bread & Roses

        by bronte17 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:58:41 PM PST

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        •  In other words... (4+ / 0-)

          Don't take away the coal workers' pay.  Just move them to new jobs where they are in better working conditions.  Renewable energy jobs are not toxic.  That's great about the industry.

        •  True, but agree you'd have to move folks out (0+ / 0-)

          of Appalachia to do it.

          Some of them won't leave.  That's fine.

          I agree on your approach.

          "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

          by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:47:04 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Some counties in E Ky are down to 1/3 (0+ / 0-)

            of their former population.

            Coal's legacy has not been good to the mountains.

            On the other hand, those transplanted Appalachians took their talents and skills to other states and were productive citizens there. Kentucky's loss overall.

            And, for the folks still there who didn't leave... they still have fire in their bellies for a better future for themselves and their children.

            There are alternatives for the coal regions of Kentucky. It doesn't have to be all coal, all the time. You just can't approach it from an either/or perspective. It has to be transitioned.


            One may live without bread, but not without roses.
            ~Jean Richepin
            Bread & Roses

            by bronte17 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:40:33 PM PST

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    •  He didn't try (2+ / 0-)
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      If dems actually proposed pumping some money in to try to bring other jobs or diversify the economy wouldn't be such an issue.
      Yeah- the Dems didn't actually offer any red meat to these people. I think because Obama knew he wasn't going to carry West Virginia or Kentucky anyway, it was safe to ignore these states. Whether people making over $250k a year are paying 35% of 39% is all abstract to them.
      Still in Appalachia how much time a candidate actually spends there and endears themselves to voters makes a huge difference.
      Exactly. The 'trend' map is pretty dramatic - big drops in turnout and big swings towards Romney in the counties in the states bordering Ohio, but in the Ohio counties themselves, they actually trended only slightly, some even towards Obama (in the south central part of the state). Campaigns make a difference.

      "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

      by randomfacts on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:06:23 PM PST

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    •  She can talk about how (5+ / 0-)

      Mountaintop Removal Coal mining has drastically reduced the number of coal jobs. All you really have is a few guys blowing the mountains up, and a few guys driving the earth movers.

      MTR has done more to kill coal jobs than environmentalists ever will.

      "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

      by greendem on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:16:00 PM PST

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    •  Oh, baloney! (1+ / 0-)
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      That's not why Obama did so poorly in Appalachia.  Obama did poorly in Appalachia because he's black and they are racists.  And you know it.  Anyone who lives in Appalachia knows it.  They would vote for an ax murderer, if he is white, before they'd vote for the finest black man that ever walked the face of this earth.

      Obama could have spent every damn penny and every minute he had in Appalachia.  The majority of them still wouldn't have voted for him

  •  The only real question is, are there any OTHER (7+ / 0-)

    ...Democrats in Kentucky who seriously have a legitimate shot at taking out McConnell?

    I'm not even asking whether they're corporatists, centrists, DINO's, progressives or whatever--is there anyone else who would have a real shot at it regardless of their positioning?

    If not, then why NOT have Judd give it a shot?

    Worst-case scenario: She loses, but so would everyone else, so big deal?

    Good-case scenario: She lose...but forces McConnell and the NRSC to pour a mountain of cash into the race, not to mention it immediately becoming the highest-profile media campaign of the year. The Kochs, Rove, etc would have to pour a ton of resources into defending what should be a gimme.

    Best-case scenario: She f*cking WINS, which would be AWESOME!

  •  It's also worth mentioning (as silly as it seems) (2+ / 0-)
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    ...that Judd just happens to be playing a small role as the First Lady in the upcoming Die-Hard-at-the-White-House action flick Olympus has Fallen:

    http://www.imdb.com/...

    •  Wow - that looks like a Tea Party Ted Nugent (2+ / 0-)
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      wet dream

      "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

      by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:18:04 PM PST

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  •  Mark Twain said of Kentucky: (5+ / 0-)

    "I want to die in Kentucky because everything happens 10 years later there." Or words to that affect.

    In KY, we have a Democrat as governor and House; the R's do not own the state.  The own the Federal offices due to: religion, abortion, racism, guns, gays and Muslims.  Ashley has these things going for her:

    1. She is a rabid UK fan - former cheerleader
    2. She is a woman.
    3. Her husband is a race car driver.
    4. She's a Judd.

    People in KY are hurting economically and McConnell just stuck a half-billion dollar gift to Amgen in the Fiscal Cliff bill.  McConnell wants to raise eligibility ages for Social Security and Medicare.  He wants college to cost students more, and wants medical care to be harder to get and more expensive.  In the majority of people's daily lives they are with the democrats on the issues.  But most KY Dem politicians think and act like this is still 2003, not 2013.  

    •  Sadly, when it comes to.................. (1+ / 0-)
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      the electorate in Kentucky; your point # 1 may be Judd's strongest card. I know because I have lived here for 65 years.

      For those outside who do not know; Kentucky Basketball is a religion in this state (or even more important.) Judd's visible and vocal support of Kentucky Basketball may well offset any votes lost because she is a "Hollywood Liberal."

      It also doesn't hurt that Yertle is a graduate of the "Pit of Hell" AKA the University of Louisville. Granted his law degree is from UK but he doesn't bleed blue like Judd does.

      I think she would have a legitimate shot and I will support her if she runs. Weak-knee, Establishment, Kentucky Dems like Mongirado need to STFU.

      The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

      by cazcee on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:11:28 PM PST

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  •  Why isn't this on the rec list? (1+ / 0-)
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    It's a very well written diary about an incredibly important topic.

    Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

    by Betty Pinson on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 02:42:47 PM PST

    •  eh... Kentucky is considered the stone age (3+ / 0-)

      around here. We all chase chickens... barefoot... and have flies everywhere. And shotguns. And Billy Ray Cyrus music.  

      They're clueless.

      And too many think we deserve to suck rotten eggs because the Paulbots maneuvered Rand Paul into that Senate seat.


      One may live without bread, but not without roses.
      ~Jean Richepin
      Bread & Roses

      by bronte17 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:06:41 PM PST

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      •  BS, Kentucky is one of 50 states (2+ / 0-)
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        And all 50 are important if you want a strong majority in the Senate.

        If this is true, maybe some of the folks on the coasts need to wake up.  

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:52:55 PM PST

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    •  Ashley Judd running would make this a national (2+ / 0-)
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      race, as Elizabeth Warren was.

      You guys would pour your money in here to help defeat old Turtle Face :-)  

      "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

      by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:51:02 PM PST

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      •  I'll donate, for sure (1+ / 0-)
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        Maybe the Kentucky Dem Party apparatus needs a shake up, we need one in Ohio, too.

        I hope the DSCC & WH isn't trying to screw around with this race to protect the Turtle.  Surely they didn't promise to let him run uncontested if they let him run roughshod all over Reid's ass in the Senate.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:54:57 PM PST

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  •  This is but one of the smoking guns that should... (1+ / 0-)
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    alarm everybody and make them realize that losing is winning too.  What doe that mean?  The status quo is great for those that profit from it like Mongiardo, while the threat of real governing and policy legislation may be hazardous to this all to "comfy" incestuous Democratic and Republican relationship we find all to common in certain  states politics and demographics that make your head spin and go WTF?.

    What' wrong with the Kentucky Democratic party?  You can ask, but they won't reveal their little dirty dark secret as they all to comfortable with "losing" all of the time..

    Mint Julep, anyone?

    Sorry if I broke any hard core Democratic supporters soul with this comment.....  I live in North Carolina where convenient "Democratic complacency" is in fashion as well at this point.  

    Pitiful:  Who can you trust these days?

    “The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius

    by LamontCranston on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:12:46 PM PST

  •  This Kentucky Democrat isn't sold on her (1+ / 0-)
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    Sure it would be great to rid ourselves of Mitch McConnell, and sure it would be great to have "a liberal" replace him - but I'm generally against voting for someone based solely on their celebrity status, even if it's a liberal Democrat.  I'd vote for her if I had to, but it would be replacing one embarassment with another.

    •  I wouldn't work for her for any celebrity status, (1+ / 0-)
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      that wouldn't matter at all to me. I think many a Kentuckian would be more eager to meet her mother at a campaign rally, than Ashley.

      Ashley is smart, she's logical, she's got convictions, she's strong on women's and family issues, and she's a proud progressive not afraid to shout it out in Tennessee and Kentucky.

      "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

      by mumtaznepal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 03:54:24 PM PST

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    •  She's not just a pretty face... she's worked (0+ / 0-)

      to improve herself and her communities.

      She graduated from UK's Honor Program. She has a Master's in Public Administration from the JFK School of Government at Harvard.

      Although, frankly, she'll have to tone down the pretty face sexy stuff with Hollywood glint and get just a little more professionally dowdy on the outside. Keep the spitfire though to lift Kentucky up to a better place.


      One may live without bread, but not without roses.
      ~Jean Richepin
      Bread & Roses

      by bronte17 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 08:09:14 PM PST

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    •  I say this as someone who likes her (0+ / 0-)

      I was attending UK at the same time as Ashley Judd, and I know she's smart as hell.

      I just wish she'd have started out at the local or state level before going for one of our two Senate seats.

      But like I said, maybe getting rid of McConnell would be worth the short term embarassment.

  •  That's what primaries are for (2+ / 0-)
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    If he thinks she isn't the ideal candidate mount a primary.  I have no problem with her facing an opponent in the primary.. in fact, I think it's good for her and the party in the state.   If she is the eventual nominee in the fall it gets her in better shape.  If she's not, it still brings outside investment into the state to forward democratic issues.

    If she is the candidate, then the reality is she comes into a race with a significant infrastructure and resources and good popularity.   Those are things you can't easily dismiss.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 04:30:40 PM PST

    •  Judd will beat all Kentucky primary opponents (0+ / 0-)

      There's just no contest.  A lot of Kentucky opponents in the primary will be moderate Democrats but none that have real fire in their belly like Ashley Judd has.

      No Bruce Lunsford
      No John Yarmuth because we need him in the House
      No Ben Chandler
      Steve Beshear?  Maybe.

  •  Why not? (0+ / 0-)

    Sure, she'll lose, but no one else can beat McConnell either. She'll be a good spokesperson for the party.

  •  We should encourage progressives to run everywhere (0+ / 0-)

    I love the idea of a Judd candidacy.  She is exactly the kind of candidate we need to raise the issues and explain progressive positions.  It's a great candidacy even if she doesn't win.

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act--Orwell

    by jhannon on Fri Jan 25, 2013 at 11:15:12 PM PST

  •  Kentucky isn't like everywhere else (0+ / 0-)

    I'm sure other people pointed this out, but I'll add my two cents.

    It's not as cut and dry as "campaigning" in Kentucky. KY Dems are different...you can't compare them to California Dems.

    The polling done with Judd must have had a huge advantage for metro areas, because the Democrats where I live (in rural southern Kentucky) will not vote for her.

    Ashley Judd would have zero chance of ever being elected to anything outside of the metros.

    Who would have a chance? Secretary of State Alison Grimes (as much as I dislike her) would be the best candidate Dems could choose.

    Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer would also put up a fight, particularly since he is independently wealthy.

    Only he who attempts the absurd is capable of achieving the impossible.

    by DudeInKY on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 10:02:50 AM PST

    •  They won't vote for her because.... (1+ / 0-)
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      They haven't met her.  Keep in mind, Ashley Judd has conservative Republican relatives, including her parents, who have been Kentucky residents for a long time.

      So let's go beyond the celebrity label Judd has and go towards the actual campaign.

      Perhaps it might be good for Judd to campaign down in the rural Southern Kentucky area (which she may know herself) and talk to those people you know.

      Here's a video for a bit of insight:

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