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There is nothing more I want than to believe that somehow decent people of good will will triumph over those who embrace vulgarity, dishonesty, opportunism, greed and deception, as integral parts of their world view.

I put some of that hope--remember that word?--on our president, for whom I voted two times.  Despite of crushing disappointments on many issues, including his administration's protection of Wall Street criminals, his expansion of the abhorrent practice of extra-judicial assassinations of American citizens, his approval for expansions on the surveillance police state, the inhumane and cruel treatment of undocumented immigrants (thousands of whom have been subjected to barbaric conditions in the hands of ICE), the federal crackdown on pot dispensaries in states that have legalized pot use, the appointment of the proverbial "wolves in the hen-house" to government positions,  I keep trying my best to find an excuse to all of it.

Maybe his hands are tied when it comes to prosecuting Wall Street criminals, understanding that these crooks could bring the economy down if proper investigations are started.  Maybe he's thinking about the "long game" and history will vindicate his apparent timidity and acquiescence.

I try to hold to anything that will keep that hope alive, thinking that one day I'll get up in the morning and hear breaking news about top Wall Street crooks being criminally indicted.

I loved the inauguration.  What a speech that was!  The right wing complained that it was a speech pushing a liberal agenda.  Equality under the law, gay rights, immigration reform, it all sounded so, well, progressive.

And so I try to keep a little bit of hope in this president, as I also look to other options, like social justice activism, but as I look around I start to see some disturbing patterns...

I'm looking and searching for the real bad-ass, intelligent, strategic-minded, confident leaders or group of people ready to take on the lunatic right wing, and I get alarmed that I don't seem to be able to find them; where are you guys?

Don't get me wrong.  I'm fully aware of the fact that there are many good progressive, environmental advocacy, and social justice organizations doing great work, like the Sierra Club, CREDO, ColorOfChange, Bold Progressive, of course, Daily Kos, and many others.

But the pattern I keep seeing is one where there are these nefarious forces eating away at our democracy, bold, aggressive, ruthless, strategic, relentless, focused, and motivated, and they are the actors.  They take the offensive.  They take whatever power they have and use it to the maximum, unafraid and unmolested by any type of considerations about fairness and moderation.

And as they act, we react; we complain about how awful and unfair they are.  We dig up every instance of victimization and exploitation, and we all gasp in unison, "How terrible these people are!"

And as they act so bluntly, and boldly, as the thugs that they are, we are a caught in a pattern of not only on constantly reporting and obsessing on what they do, but on answering to every absurdity the utter.  We do this with such a frenzy, and with such regularity, that unbeknownst to us, we end up internalizing their framing of the issue, and many times we end up using their own "language" to describe things.

How many times have I heard a high profile liberal media personality say something like "Oh, and by the way, he's not a pinko liberal peacenick," when they want to make a point about somebody being some kind of "moderate," revealing their deep-seethed inferiority complex, for being a liberal.

What is a liberal, or a progressive?  One who knows who he can immediately answer that question: A reality-based person, who is intelligent, holds sane views about every single aspect governance and society, respects and beliefs in science, and empiricism, and has reached the highest levels of understanding about the world around him, and of morality.

There is no area where this individual is inferior to non-progressives, as there is only one path in the evolution of intellect: from ignorance to enlightenment, the latter being the essential characteristic of a Progressive.

In war, in peace, in business, in society, in parenting, in every single aspect of human existence, a progressive will be better, yes, that's the word, better, than those who are not.  This can be empirically proven.  Do you have any doubt?  Let's start with the discussions about Jesus and Dinosaurs walking the earth at the same time, 6,000 years ago!

And so this leads me once again to another great and sad disappointment, among many others, including watching Democrats (like Reid) cave in to insanity, over and over again.

In the face of the current debate about guns, and in the middle of an ongoing carnage around this country, all enabled and driven by an depraved cabal of profiteers and an insane and fanatical cult of useful idiots (followers), the president of the United States releases a photo of him shooting a shotgun!  

There can't be no more humiliating example of how effective the right wing machine is in forcing the entire society to frame all important issues following their meme.  It is truly astonishing!

And this happens after another very humiliating and shameful act committed by our president, when he released his birth certificate to the public.

I'm a very optimistic person, and of course, I will continue plugging along, searching for the real bad-ass, take-no-prisoners, in-your-face, confident, strategic, with a bold and clear agenda progressives that know and understand what's going to take to confront and defeat the right wing machine in this country.

Earlier today Robert Reich twitted his reaction to the president's releasing this absurd photo:

Not as absurd as Michael Dukakis driving a tank, but same vicinity.
I could not agree more!  What a sad day.  I'll feel better tomorrow.  I will hope and pray (this situation is going to turn me into a religious person) that the most powerful man in the world right now, the president of the United States of America, will never do something like this again.

 

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  •  I disagree about the comparison (50+ / 0-)

    to Dukakis. That was clearly a photo op.

    WH releasing a picture of Obama skeet shooting, months ago, well before Sandy Hook, is not a photo op. It's a reaction to the blather and bluster coming out of the right wing.

    You can argue that they should just have ignored it. Personally, I'm not sure if it makes much of a difference, but if it helps move the gun control agenda by marginalizing the lunatics then it was a good move.

    Is your main objection that he should have never been shooting skeet in the first place, that he should have never admitted to shooting skeet, or that he should have never shown evidence of him shooting skeet?

  •  You and Robert Reich should go dunk your heads. (28+ / 0-)

    That photo was taken months ago. Running out of shit to get upset about, are we?

    Lo que separa la civilizacion de la anarquia son solo siete comidas.

    by psilocynic on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:39:26 PM PST

  •  I've been blowing away traps (2+ / 0-)
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    since I was twelve.

    I enjoy it.

    Best part is when you catch one right in the middle amd just explode the m-f*cker without leaving big pieces to pick up in the grass.  The trick is leading them by a few feet.

    Twenty gauge is preferred here, tho some like twelve.

    Ray, Don't let them trade your heroes for ghosts,

    Hot ashes for trees.

  •  Okay, you did make me laugh (18+ / 0-)
    I'm a very optimistic person ...
    Still not sure why the photo is an embarrassment but thanks for the chuckle.
  •  There are two ways to respond to stupid. (27+ / 0-)

    You can walk away, or you can show how stupid it is. When he tried to ignore the birth certificate stupid, the voices got louder and more frequent. So, my guess is he wanted to get this out of the way sooner, as opposed to later. Only the very stupid are amusing themselves with particulars about the picture. The rest have moved on. So should you.

    •  Which voices were those? n/t (0+ / 0-)
      •  I don't know what you're asking me. (2+ / 0-)
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        If you're referring to

        Only the very stupid are amusing themselves with particulars about the picture.
        the RWN's apparently are having a field day discussing photoshop, etc.
        •  Here's what I'm asking you: (1+ / 0-)
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          When he tried to ignore the birth certificate stupid, the voices got louder and more frequent.
          I consider those voices to come from lunatics.  Why would I even pay any attention them, never mind actually trying to respond.  It's a sign of weakness.
          •  The birth certificate was starting to interfere (3+ / 0-)
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            with important things. That's why he did it when he did. Once it got whittled down to just the lunatics, it became a non-issue. I don't consider it a sign of weakness. There are very lazy journalists these days. Rather than doing any serious reporting that might take some effort to investigate, they waste our time with nonsense. If I see or hear Trump again, I may puke. But he's easy. He seeks attention, and the reporters don't have to work too hard. So, I don't believe Obama is weak. He's just rolling with what is. The sooner this crap goes away, the sooner we can go back to discussing real reform, both immigration and gun. Sometimes pride gets in the way. Obama doesn't have time for that.

            •  It's one of the most demeaning and humiliating (0+ / 0-)

              things any president has done.  No president in the history of this country has ever been browbeaten into doing such a thing.

              I don't think I've said that the president is weak; I don't think he is.  I'm saying these type of actions show weakness, which is even more disturbing.

              If you are a confident man, why would you choose to show weakness in the face of absurdity?

              •  Perhaps you haven't noticed, but this (5+ / 0-)
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                president has been treated far more disrespectfully than any of his predecessors. He can choose to throw in the towel, or he can keep moving. It seems he's chosen the latter. He's got a thick skin and he has apparently decided that what concerns you won't concern him. If he even believes half of what he said in his inaugural speech, he has lots of work to do, and he doesn't have time for hurt feelings or egos or pride.

                It just dawned on me that your pride is such that this conversation will never end until I agree with you.

                Good night. It's been a pleasure.

          •  It's a sign of the times we now find ourselves. (7+ / 0-)

            Calling this president weak comes far too easily for some.
            This should not be a big deal to those of us who are focused on the problem we face.
            Move on already.

            Maya Angelou: "Without courage, we cannot practice any other virtue with consistency. We can't be kind, true, merciful, generous, or honest."

            by JoanMar on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 10:03:46 PM PST

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            •  So let me get this straight; I'm expressing an (2+ / 0-)
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              opinion about something I see as a sign of weakness by the president, and somehow that means I don't care about the multitude other problems we have?

              Try this... Is it possible that I care deeply about real issues that need to be addressed, and because of it, I find this type of caving in to absurdity such a sign of weakness that it could actually interfere with addressing real issues?

              The people on the other side are ruthless thugs; when you deal with people like that one of the most dangerous and self-defeating things is to show even a hint of weakness.

              That's why I care.

              •  it is only "weakness" in your limited view. (5+ / 0-)
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                to the rest of us, it is a non-issue.

                EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                by edrie on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 11:56:14 PM PST

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                •  Who is "the rest of us?" This is like an (0+ / 0-)

                  alternate reality!  Think about it.  Some nut-jobs start questioning whether the president of the United States is a U.S. citizen, and he ends up digging out his birth certificate and showing it to the world.

                  I can't begin to get my ahead around the fact that some people may think that's Okay; that's not a big deal; that it does not show weakness.

                  But, that's what's wonderful about this place.  We all have different levels of intellectual integrity.

                  •  When he released his birth certificate... (4+ / 0-)

                    ... he gave the wingnuts the opportunity to make utter fools of themselves, and they took advantage of that opportunity. The outrage from the pundits was wonderful, they upset that Obama made fools of the right. Birtherism was a central pillar of the GOP, and Obama kicked that out from under them.

                    It's the same thing with this picture.

                    The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

                    by A Citizen on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:56:10 AM PST

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          •  Because a lot of people DO pay attention to them (0+ / 0-)

            And if you don't, all that happens is that the people who do pay attention to them start to believe that THEY are right and YOU are wrong.

            This is never a good thing, especially when YOU are right and THEY are wrong.

            Doing nothing will never convince anyone of the rightness of your position. Repeatedly showing up the insanity of the counter-argument, however, will.

            "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

            by Whimsical on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:37:21 PM PST

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  •  Feh! n/t (13+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:46:36 PM PST

  •  A long walk around the block for a flaccid (2+ / 0-)
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    punchline.

    The question is: did it make you feel better?

    It seems curiosity has killed the cat that had my tongue.

    by Murphoney on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:56:05 PM PST

  •  What nonsense, (5+ / 0-)
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    this photo is [however unintentional] a comedy foil for all manner of right wing garbage. Just load it up [like I'm doing this Post] and, "PULL !!!" Ryan budget, "PULL !!!" Mitt's career in Politics, "PULL !!!" Your whining, "PULL !!!"

  •  i agree on rifle not on b/c (3+ / 0-)
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    i think the b/c thing was seriously being covered by regular media until he released.

    this photo made me grimace as soon as i saw it. i agree also with most of your disappointments. obama was elected in 2008 largely because of iraq and the sept 08 financial meltdown.  the iraq mistake would have been a good time to standdown from world military domination. thats not what we got. obama has said clearly, he will not preside over a weakened military. thats the objection we have. we dont believe we can keep killing and keep paying for killing and prosper.

    war is immoral. both parties are now fully complicit in the wars. bring everyone home. get to work.

    by just want to comment on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 09:28:47 PM PST

    •  The "Regular Media" in the U.S. is trash. (1+ / 0-)
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      Releasing the BC as a response to lunatics was a sign of weakness.

      •  i guess we disagree (0+ / 0-)

        my point maybe not well expressed that the issue of a birth certificate was infinitesimally small compared to the number of people killed in u.s. with guns and the number of people the u.s. as a strategic military unit kills. showing the commander in chief shooting a gun is a symbol no matter if you see it as a sign of weakness caving to his political rivals.  maybe escalating afghanistan and drones and kill squads are a sign of weakness too.

        war is immoral. both parties are now fully complicit in the wars. bring everyone home. get to work.

        by just want to comment on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:15:25 AM PST

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  •  he shouldn't have fed the trolls (0+ / 0-)

    and for once I slightly disagree with Robert Reich (who I really like).

    It's not like the Duke in the tank because that was staged as a photo op. This pic, unless I am not yet informed, might have already existed. It is really one of the main issues--is it staged? The other, superficially it looks similar. I just dont' think it's as similar as Reich takes it.

    If it was made just for media consumption that is bad.

    Why the left has to criticize--which gives liscence FYI for the hole MSM to make a deal out of it--is beyond me. Reich just gave the OK "hey if leftist Reich say sit than we mainstream people can". Good thing it's not a big deal

    Nothing good comes out of feeding the trolls. Nothing. They will run with this I'm afraid.

    •  If not this (1+ / 0-)
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      they'd run with something else.  I say, let 'em run with this....it makes them look nuckin' futs.  Can you imagine a sane person getting crap on Facebook from their wingnut relatives about how Obama doctored a photo of him shooting skeet and such crap?  It makes them look even crazier--which is fantastic, if you ask me.  In fact, it would be SOOOOO sweet if Obama actually had more photos from other outings (or a video!), let the CT nuts get all frothed up, then released that footage.  I know, that's just a fantasy, but a guy can hope!  

      Really, this photo doesn't hurt a thing.  

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:30:50 AM PST

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    •  It was taken August 4th (0+ / 0-)

      when the president was target shooting at Camp David.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 04:36:37 AM PST

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  •  This is creepy, cult like rhetoric to me. I'm (2+ / 0-)
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    still striving to obtain enlightenment and superior being status above those below me.  Maybe someday.

    What is a liberal, or a progressive?  One who knows who he can immediately answer that question: A reality-based person, who is intelligent, holds sane views about every single aspect governance and society, respects and beliefs in science, and empiricism, and has reached the highest levels of understanding about the world around him, and of morality.

    There is no area where this individual is inferior to non-progressives, as there is only one path in the evolution of intellect: from ignorance to enlightenment, the latter being the essential characteristic of a Progressive.

    In war, in peace, in business, in society, in parenting, in every single aspect of human existence, a progressive will be better, yes, that's the word, better, than those who are not.

    •  Yes, this type of certainty and confidence scares (1+ / 0-)
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      many who consider themselves liberals.

      Very simple logic: You have an interlocutor in front of you; he is a avowed conservative, and believes in the following things:

      • He's a racist
      • He's jingoistic, nativist, and ethnocentric
      • He's an end-of-days religious fanatic
      • He like Israel because something about Armageddon
      • He's a ultra-nationalis
      • He believes the president was born in Kenya
      • He wants to take away women's rights to choose
      • He beliefs that Jesus and Dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time 6,000 years ago

      There are two possible answers to this very simple question: You either have a superior intellect than this person, or you don't.

      If one values a superior intellect in citizens as important to a democracy, then it goes to reason that a person who is a racist thug is not as good as a person who is not, for a democracy.

      Obviously, if you disagree and you believe that your worth to society is the same as a person who holds the aforementioned views, then that's your prerogative.

      I stand by my statement.

    •  I had similar twinges (2+ / 0-)
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      One progressive advantage over conservatives is that we are capable of learning from our mistakes....which is different from being incapable of making mistakes altogether.  

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:33:34 AM PST

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    •  Apparently good grammar is not required (2+ / 0-)
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      to be better then everyone else

  •  Oh - good grief (7+ / 0-)

    get a life --

    When I read this kind of drivel on freerepublic - I can laugh at it all -- but when I read it on Dailykos -- that is just sad.

    This photo is not the end of the world -- it is a photo of the President skeet-shooting.

    Skeet-shooting is a sport...

    This kind of diary is what makes progressives sound like they are as nutty as GOPers

    "Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"

    by sara seattle on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 10:56:48 PM PST

    •  A little angry there, huh? As far as I know my (0+ / 0-)

      understanding is that Daily Kos is not necessarily a mindless cheer-leading site for any political figure, be it the president nor anybody else.  

      That's why I like it here.  Yes, sometimes some people who get into cult-like following of leaders may get hypersensitive if one offers a genuine critique about the president, but that's to be expected.

      I never worry about following any type of dogma when I write.  I observe something, I think about it, and then I write my observations about, trying to be as intellectually honest and objective as possible, letting the chips fall where they may.

      If someone tells me that this is a mindless Obama cheering site, I'll definitely move on.

  •  Here's how I saw it as it happened. (7+ / 0-)

    Obama: "Yes, in fact, up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time."

    Wingnuts: No WAY Obama has ever picked up a gun. Why don't we have a picture! He's full of it.

    Obama:

    "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

    by second gen on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 11:04:40 PM PST

  •  How Easy For Robert Reich & Paul Krugman..... (4+ / 0-)
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    Their criticisms & little digs at President Obama never end.

    Neither has even had the courage to put together & participate in a Presidential campaign.  Krugman even turned down a potential job in the Administration.  

    Easier to sit on the sideline.....and take potshots.  

  •  What if......he really just enjoys shooting clays? (1+ / 0-)
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    Or is that known not to be the case?

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 11:30:14 PM PST

  •  Oh, and dukakis wasn't driving the tank. (0+ / 0-)

    I suppose that's a small point. However, if he had been driving it, you'd only have seen the top of his helmet instead of his pencil neck, and that might have had more of the intended effect.

    I thought the President at least looked the part in the photo.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 11:32:38 PM PST

    •  "Looked the part." What would that be? n/t (0+ / 0-)
      •  Proper stance, good grip, appropriate PPE (5+ / 0-)
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        (personal protective equipment).

        In short, handling the gun responsibly.

        Seriously, there's plenty to criticize about Obama's policies and choices of his administration. This seems to verge on concern trolling.

        •  That's an idiotic argument. n/t (0+ / 0-)
            •  Dismissing an argument you disagree with as (0+ / 0-)

              trolling.  I wrote the diary very carefully, made my points, and explained my conclusions.

              I commend the president on commendable things, and criticize him on others.

              Informed citizens are not supposed to be mindless cheer-leading drones.

              I happen to think that if a journalist interview the president and asks him if he's even fired a gun, and he answers yes, and then nut-jobs start questioning that answer, and then the presidents releases a photo to show that yes, he has indeed fired a big gun, is a total absurdity.

              It's also humiliating.

              •  Well, that's what confused me (0+ / 0-)

                as that was more of a personal opinion on my part rather than a well-crafted argument.

                To turn it into an argument, I would have to ask what evidence do you have that this sort of response is perceived by weakness by anyone rather than yourself. I grant you, the nutters will still be nutters. But, like the birther issue, the rest of us see the critical responses as further proof that reasonable responses by the WH are met by nothing but lunacy.

                This can have an effect, especially on moderate gun owners in this particular instance.

                Weakness is all about perception and only about perception. Obviously you perceive it as weak, and many of us do not. I'm not one to automatically grant the administration the status of a Machiavellian genius, but more often than not, moves that seem a bit odd at first turn out as politically advantageous, e.g. firm and preemptive dismissal regarding minting the platinum coin was originally cast as surrender.

                I think this administration, more than any other, does more careful political calculations before their actions.

        •  Actually.... (0+ / 0-)

          ...the butt of the gun is riding awfully high on his left shoulder....will lead to bruising....:)

  •  Meh. (10+ / 0-)

    President Obama is trying to peel off reasonable gun owners and moderate Republicans -- even the rational members of the NRA that think universal background checks are a good idea.

    The meme is that he says he supports the 2nd amendment, but that he's actually a gun-grabber.

    This photo shows he's just a normal guy who understands the use of guns as sport and recreational use.

    Meme killed -- if you're someone who is reality-based. The idea is to demotivate those who might be inclined to call their representatives. The fringe on the far right will. But the reasonable people won't. The representatives already know the extremists by name.  

    Decrease the number of people calling to complain, you increase the likelihood that the legislature will support moderate laws.

    The photo does no harm. It likely helps quite a bit. None of the hardcore conservatives on my Facebook commented. That's saying a lot.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:14:20 AM PST

    •  That makes me think of the type of advice (0+ / 0-)

      political handlers would give in this situation.  I get it now; maybe there were discussions along those lines, and some very smart political operatives decided it was a good idea to release the photo.

      Show the president shooting a big gun so he can endear himself to moderate Republicans... Maybe next time he may try to pick up the support of some teabaggers by shooting a AK-47, so on and so forth.

      Or better yet, blow up his birth certificate, put it next to him, big, and pose for a photo holding a big, big gun, smiling.

      •  You do realize that President Obama (0+ / 0-)

        Won reelection with 51.1% of the vote?

        And you also realize that (as of 2009) approx 38% of Anericans called themselves Democrats?

        Perhaps, just perhaps, the President has to reach out to middle America, especially on hot-button issues. And it seems he has done so very effectively, if we are to judge his success by, well, I dunno, let's say sheer quantifiable number.

        How bizarre that a politician would listen to political consultants, especially when trying to enact legislation that has been condidered politically toxic for the last decade or so. And wow, the President did so by taking the extreme steps of releasing an old photo that was lying around the White House!

        Honestly?

        You'd have a harder time finding someone more anti-gun than me. But the photo existed. He likes to skeet shoot. The Presidrnt has said all along that he is a second amendment supporter. The facts are what they are.

         Would it be better to pretend that the facts are otherwise?

        Or is this a case of some people having never read the policy positions as they were clearly laid out on barackobama.com in 2007-2008, and assuming that President Obama is something that he is not (and never claimed to be. God knows, I spent hours referencing that site to prove to my moderate friends that candidate Obama was not the socialist, gun-grabbing, turn-and-run atheist  that was being portrayed)  and being disillusioned when he let them down for not being something he never said he was?

        That stuff got really old about 4 years ago

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 09:12:37 AM PST

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  •  Get over yourself! (4+ / 0-)

    Oh, and Robert Reich is a twit.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 12:59:11 AM PST

  •  I think the timing of releasing this photo (3+ / 0-)

    is a real goddamned shame, and a hearty FU to all who have recently lost loved once to gun violence. Why doesn't he just send a signed copy to the relatives of Sandy Hook, I'm sure they would get a chuckle.

    This president spends an inordinate amount of time trying to prove he should be liked by whomever he perceives as his political opponents.

    He has yet to do any heavy lifting (actually champion a cause for more than the half-life of one media cycle) of his own on a host of issues (not all, he seems consistent on the intention to trim entitlements for one).

    I am frankly four years sick of hearing "they need send me a bill I can sign, and you need to hold them to it", LEAD motherf*cker, don't dream up clever ways to show us you not that serious about yet another one of your supposedly important issues.

    Next he will be cleaning brush at a ranch somewhere....

    •  A photo of the president (5+ / 0-)
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      engaged in a legitimate activity that harms no one has NOTHING to do with gun violence at all.  In fact, it may help delegitimize the opponents of assault weapon regulations.  

      If you are equating this shotgun with the firearms used at Sandy Hook and their obscene underregulation, you're doing EXACTLY what the NRA wants you to do--that is their strategy in a nutshell.  

      Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

      by Mark Mywurtz on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:41:34 AM PST

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      •  Great, why doesnt he just do what (2+ / 0-)
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        I suggested and send a signed copy to the parents of the kids from Sandy Hook if its so damned normal.

        Maybe you can be selected to bring the photos up to their houses. Because it has nothing to do with their tragedy, its just a legitimate activity that harms no one. I'm sure they will agree.

        In a nutshell I believe the photo and Sandy Hook and possession and/or use of non-hunting firearms have at least one thing in common: The juvenile need for someone to make a point by possessing  a weapon and/or firing a weapon at something or someone.

        •  Bringing sane and reasoned discussion to the (0+ / 0-)

          topic.  Thank you very much.

        •  You have adequately illustrated (0+ / 0-)

          that President Obama doesn't have the market cornered on the juvenile need for someone to make a point.  

          You can project whatever you want on a person for skeet shooting, but it accomplishes exactly nothing.  In fact, you're doing the NRA a favor.  I could explain to you why, once again, but that would clearly be a waste of my time.  

          Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

          by Mark Mywurtz on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 03:38:38 AM PST

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          •  Is it possible that you are part of the problem by (0+ / 0-)

            getting into cult-like following of a leader, neglecting to use your presumed ability to think critically and rationally?

            I don't write as a partisan, since I think there is dishonesty on that.  Everything I write about is genuine, and exercise in intellectual honesty.

            Now, grant it, because of it, and because I don't follow, nor will I ever follow any kind of political dogma, I'm totally aware that in any given subject I could end up being completely wrong...

            If I din't think so, that would be hubris.  I always invite my interlocutor to engage in intellectually honest debate and I promise that if she is able to convince me of my wrongness through a well-reasoned argument I'm always prepared to reconsider any conclusion I've made.

            I don't think you've done this in your statements.  You can try again.

            •  You are the very definition (0+ / 0-)

              Of self-awareness, Ray.  I'm in awe.

              Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

              by Mark Mywurtz on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 10:42:39 AM PST

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              •  I know that's a sarcastic comment, and that's (0+ / 0-)

                fine, of course.  But you do touch on a very important concept: self-awareness.

                I've had this philosophical conversation many a times... I usually like to say that one of the most important signs of wisdom is to be able to have an accurate perception of your own defects, and weaknesses--or as accurate as possible.

                That leads me to one of my favorite quotes by Socrates: "All  I know is that I know nothing."

    •  Gee, from your comment I must conclude (1+ / 0-)
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      that you don't really want to see gun control legislation passed.

      Because to get it passed, we need to hold onto wavering Dems with conservative constituencies, and flip some Republicans. In order to do that, we're going to have to move some public opinion and persuade people who own and use guns that the proposed legislation makes sense and is no slippery slope down the path to ending private gun ownership in this country.

    •  Thank you. Your moral clarity comes through. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Tip jar (0+ / 0-)

    is looking a bit lean.  

    Political compass: -8.75 / -4.72

    by Mark Mywurtz on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 05:44:51 AM PST

  •  Oh my gawd What concern!!! (1+ / 0-)
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  •  you brought a smile to my face :-) (2+ / 0-)
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    I've been waiting for reactions such as yours. I'm not sure why the left village is holding back. Maybe they are just waiting until after AWB#2 fails, then they'll blame it on him.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:05:49 AM PST

  •  Great photo, (5+ / 0-)
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    the President released the photo to counter the NRA's agitprop that mean ole Obama wants to take away from you dear old grandpop's .12 gauge.

    The Prez wants to advance, has advanced, and will continue to advance the the progressive agenda more than any President since LBJ.

    If you don't understand the methods he uses to do it, maybe you should just watch quietly and learn.

    "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

    by durrati on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:15:36 AM PST

  •  Getting the photo out............. (4+ / 0-)

    was not, on its face, a bad idea. The problem is that it was released by the White House and therefore immediately suspect, both in substance and underlying message, by the right wing nuts and, to some extent, the media.

    It would have probably taken more time but the WH should have floated rumors that photos exist of the POTUS using a gun with no more information provided. It would not have been long before the release of the photo was demanded by either the NRA, Drudge or, on our other side, anti-gun activists.

    The WH could have then said the photo was taken at Camp David during “Presidential Down Time” but we will release it reluctantly.  Photo is released; seen to be pretty innocuous.  No problem.

    While not, in contrast to the overall gun control debate, a major mistake; the way it was done was a mistake none the less.

    .

    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

    by cazcee on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 06:46:08 AM PST

  •  I don't see what the big deal is (0+ / 0-)

    In most countries in Europe that have very strong gun control, people can still join gun clubs to do shooting sports like skeet. Basically they need to pass background checks, training, etc. and then they can shoot as part of the gun club.  Often, they're required to leave their gun at the club (no taking it home, carrying it concealed, etc. - has to stay at the club).  Even for people in the U.S. that favor much stronger gun control or bans, I don't think they would find a concept like that too objectionable.

  •  Plz, I had friends blanche at Obama with a beer (7+ / 0-)

    You may be embarrassed by this but it's not an embarrassing photo. It says more about the viewer than the President. If you're going to get into the nuts and bolts of Presidential imagery without understanding the many parts of American life, you need to start paying more attention to those around you.

    I had friends from the other side of the aisle who were shocked, SHOCKED, they told me, when I posted a picture of Obama having a St. Paddy's day beer for my Facebook profile. Saying it wasn't "Presidential" and how it encouraged children to drink and how it mocked the pain of people who had endured family deaths by drunk drivers. Seriously.

    People see what they will in the imagery, and the only real question is: is the picture authentic, staged, or somewhere in between? Because I have no problem with the President shooting some skeet, and I have no problem with releasing the photo if it shuts off the yaps of yet another idiotic attack on him by the nutjobs.

    You can't die of embarrassment. The gun control discussion isn't about embarrassment. It's about sensible regulations, and this is part of the PR battle, and you're helping the opposition if you play into this "isn't the President ridiculous" damned if you do, damned if you don't narrrative.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:09:31 AM PST

  •  Not sure who sounds sillier (4+ / 0-)
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    Reich or you. I am going with you since you went on and on and on and on about something amazingly petty.

    Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?

    by jsfox on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 07:12:03 AM PST

  •  Well so much grief here for you, Ray. (0+ / 0-)

    However, it is my impression that you have some pretty thick skin that enables you to bear such things.  

    That said, I have heard some very good discussions on this matter, and I think that your opinion on this matter will eventually prevail with this photo release being considered a poor political choice.  

    We have such a bread and circus crowd in the US these days, and it is always a tough choice to determine whether or not to play to that crowd.  

    Maybe the photo will provide some political cover for reform of gun laws, but the past certainly does not bear that out.

    It gets on my nerves, and you know how I am about my nerves...

    by ciganka on Mon Feb 04, 2013 at 07:12:27 AM PST

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