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Well, this is just great. At least 6 counties and the State Patrol sell guns that they have confiscated in crimes back to people in the community. They have even sold an assault rifle to someone.

- Records show that the Thurston County Drug Task Force sold a Norinco SKS military-style rifle and a Romarm AK-47 in a batch of 44 guns traded with a firearms dealer.

- The Kitsap County Sheriff’s office sold an Intratec 9mm, which used to be on the list of assault weapons banned in the United States.

- WSP sold an “Interordinance (sic.), assault rifle w/scope and case and 2 magazines” and an “SKS, assualt (sic.) rifle.”

WSP said it does not distinguish between firearms when it puts its crime guns out for bid.

“We draw a fairly bright line at legal versus illegal weapons, and the only modification from that is if a weapon was used in a high-profile crime. We’re not gonna put a trophy back on the street for someone,”  Calkins said.

Oh, well, that's comforting. We don't want a gun that was used in a high profile shooting, just your every day kinda shooting.

When I worked for the DA in Sacramento, CA they confiscated all guns and melted them down. They made manhole covers out of them, I believe. It was hard to get a permit to carry in CA in the '70's, I don't know if it's easier to do so now. There were Deputy DA's who wanted them and judges wouldn't give them one. They had to prove a need and putting people away for years wasn't enough of a reason, I guess.

It's really easy to get a concealed weapons permit in WA. You do not have to prove a need, you just have to want one. My husband has one. He's tried to get me to get one for years. Not to carry a gun to the grocery store, but we live on the edge of the Olympic National Forest and there be bears and mountain lions here.

Originally posted to Kevanlove on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:16 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (21+ / 0-)

    O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives. ::: Jim Morrison :::

    by Kevanlove on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:16:56 AM PST

  •  Why do you conceal from Bears and Lions? (8+ / 0-)

    I would have thought that open carry would dissuade them more.

    •  LOL..that's what I say. :-) (5+ / 0-)
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      peterfallow, hannah, Arlys, Stein, Jojos Mojo

      But I don't want to carry one either way.

      O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives. ::: Jim Morrison :::

      by Kevanlove on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 02:24:54 AM PST

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      •  Been a neighbor of the park (2+ / 0-)
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        all of my life. A rifle works much better for the odd cougar that might come down from the mountais. They usually only do this when they are in trouble in some way. Most often they are starving and desperate because they are sick, injured, or old. When they can no longer hunt wild game they come out of the mountians where hunting is easier.  They are very dangerous to farm animals, pets, and children even adults if things are bad eough. It is almost always fatal to the victim of the attack.

        The bears are not aggressive they are actually very shy and seeing you will usually frighten them almost as much as they frighten you. There are the usual exceptions if they have cubs or if they have a injury they have been known to be aggressive. In the case of a bear a loud noise will send them running if they haven't already made the decision themsleves. You really don't want to shoot one of these bears unless you see there is something really wrong with it. Shooting a regular healthy bear is dicey if you don't kill them instantly the likelyhood is they will circle around and attack.

        A hand gun is next to useless against both of these, by the time they are close eough to shoot it will be to late. They may be handy for a good loud oise to frighte them off.

        It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

        by PSWaterspirit on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 08:26:02 AM PST

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        •  You can't carry a rifle on a 5 mile hike. (0+ / 0-)

          And then there is the people that you meet. I was walking my dog on the road. The speed limit was 25 and a man drove by me and my dog at about 35. I looked at him and said, "slow down". He parked his car, got out and started following me.

          So, there's that.

          But it's neither here nor there. I'm not going to carry a gun of any kind and he's not going to stop.

          And he's a former Marine, so he knows how to shoot  a gun. He's not an idiot.

          O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives. ::: Jim Morrison :::

          by Kevanlove on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 09:54:37 AM PST

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  •  I do not know what it is about concealed (2+ / 0-)
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    organs. Why did the Congressman send out pictures of his lump?
    I've been wondering about that for about 55 years, ever since a summer guest was insistent that I should feel his.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 03:11:19 AM PST

  •  actually this would not be the worse case (2+ / 0-)

    example.  Local cops used to (don't know if they still do or not) used to confiscate weapons during traffic stops and then sell them out of their trunks private treaty (never turning them in and, of course, the people stopped never complained because it would be admitting to a felony)

  •  ughhh (2+ / 0-)
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    That's my home state.  :(  That's all I have to say right now.  

  •  So does your darling U.S. government, link: (0+ / 0-)
      There are none currently up for auction but if you watch this site as I do, you'll see plenty and yes, even assault rifles.

    Be the kind of person your dog thinks you are.

    by teabaggerssuckbalz on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:07:16 AM PST

  •  There is a law....................... (1+ / 0-)
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    in my home state that any and all guns confiscated by all police in the state for any and all reasons MUST be sold at public auction run by the state police.  While the auctions are only for licensed gun dealers the guns may be resold retail and put back on the street.  I may be wrong but I seem to remember a news report on some guns circulating through the system multiple times; meaning that they were used in multiple crimes.

    Our larger cities used to destroy all confiscated weapons but the NRA put a stop to that a number of years ago.  Before the law I remember a news video showing a pile of guns rolled over by a stream roller and flattened like a pancake; a type of carnage that was apparently too much for the RWGNs to bear.  Killing babies--OK, turning objects in to scrap--Not so much.

    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

    by cazcee on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:14:15 AM PST

    •  Oh! I just remembered…………. (1+ / 0-)
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      one of the cruel ironies of the law is that the proceeds from the sale of a gun from a local police department will be returned to that department and can be used for the purchase of BODY ARMOR, among other things.

      The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

      by cazcee on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 05:25:07 AM PST

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      •  On the other hand (1+ / 0-)
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        Which benefits public safety more, destroying hundreds of guns or putting tens of thousands of dollars in a police department budget?

        •  Only the larger cities........... (0+ / 0-)

          and police departments get thousands. Most of the smaller departments turn in one or two guns and get a few hundred back; not enough to buy enough body armor to protect against one AK47 with a banana clip.

          Also, in reply to another earlier comment; we have all manner of state surplus auctions for everything from desks, to boats, to mowers, to police cars. The gun auction is completely separate and you have to be a licensed gun dealer to even attend.

          The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

          by cazcee on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:55:37 PM PST

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    •  it's kinda open to local policy here in TX (1+ / 0-)
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      I don't think ones committed to evidence come up at auction very often, but if you can identify a stolen gun you can get it back. Now the abandoned property sale once a year that the local PD/SO puts on sometimes includes firearms (and often includes bicycles, cars, computers, jewelry, and all manner of miscellany. My neighbor got fifteen or sixteen fishing rods with reels last year, bidding $2 on the lot).

      The big draws are the state surplus auctions and surplus property auctions ... A&M had an airplane in one year before last...

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 10:54:37 AM PST

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  •  Well, as long as they're selling them (2+ / 0-)
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    to all those vaunted law abiding gun owners out there, I have no problem with that.

    Heck, getting guns out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of not-yet criminals is something any sane person could/should support IMHO.

  •  Hence the reason gun bans will not work and (3+ / 0-)

    didn't work during the last AWB.  As long as they are worth money, and as long as people want them and with 310 million fire arms in circulation...the guns will still be out.

    •  Standard issue (0+ / 0-)

      NRA claptrap.

      The single formal assessment of the ban, as required by Congress in passing the law, was conducted by criminologists Christopher Koper, Jeffrey Roth and others at the University of Pennsylvania (Koper is now at George Mason). The National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the Department of Justice, paid for the evaluation, which was first conducted in 1999 and updated in 2004, and looked at everything from homicide rates to gun prices.

      A few key findings emerged. Overall, banned guns and magazines were used in up to a quarter of gun crimes before the ban. Assault pistols were more common than assault rifles in crimes. Large-capacity magazines, which were also prohibited, may be a bigger problem than assault weapons. While just 2 to 8 percent of gun crimes were committed with assault weapons, large-capacity magazines were used in 14 to 26 percent of of firearm crimes. About 20 percent of privately owned guns were fitted with the magazines.

      But even though assault weapons were responsible for a fraction of the total number of gun deaths overall, the weapons and other guns equipped with large-capacity magazines “tend to account for a higher share of guns used in murders of police and mass public shootings,” the study found.

      This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone paying attention to the recent history of mass shootings. In just the past year, the same .223 Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle was used  in the Aurora, Colo., theater massacre, the shooting at the Clackamas Mall in Oregon, the Newtown elementary school shooting, and, just a few days ago, the killing of two firefighters in upstate New York. Jared Loughner used 33-round high-capacity magazines in a handgun to shoot former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and more than a dozen others. Seung-Hui Cho used a 15-round magazine to kill 32 and wound 17 at Virginia Tech in 2007.

      An October 2012 study from Johns Hopkins, which looked at newer data than Koper’s, concluded that that “easy access to firearms with large-capacity magazines facilitates higher casualties in mass shootings.”

  •  The police are not on our side nt (3+ / 0-)
  •  Glad to see this. (2+ / 0-)
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    gerrilea, BlackSheep1

    Just because a firearm was used illegally doesn't mean it can be used legally. Good way to raise funds for our often cash flow trouble LEOs.

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 07:00:54 AM PST

  •  this is disgusting! (1+ / 0-)
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    There is something so abhorrent about a police department using seized guns to pay their bills. Who do we send a message to about this?

    Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

    by 51percent on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 08:48:24 AM PST

  •  Well, doggies: the law does work when it's (2+ / 0-)
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    enforced, per that same article:

    But that doesn’t mean that the crime guns don’t end up back in a criminal’s hands. Federal court records from one local case show crime guns that were once in police custody ended up at eight separate crime scenes, including a robbery and two assaults.

    Those guns were purchased by former Bremerton police detective Roy Alloway. Federal prosecutors say he purchased cheap handguns, those often favored by criminals, from a licensed firearms dealer that was buying the guns from police agencies. Alloway admitting to turning around and selling the guns for big profits at local guns shows. He sold more than 700 guns, raking in $150,000, without the required firearms license. He didn’t conduct background checks on the people to whom he sold the guns.

    Alloway is now in a federal prison in Colorado serving a sentence for the illegal sale of firearms.

    So it would appear that it is possible to stop the illegal sales, and put the miscreants in jail. How about that?

    LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

    by BlackSheep1 on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 11:00:34 AM PST

  •  Gun makers love melt downs (1+ / 0-)
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    That means they get to sell more guns.

    "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

    by ParaHammer on Tue Feb 05, 2013 at 01:31:18 PM PST

  •  Dripping with unjustified moral panic and outrage (0+ / 0-)

    If you can go into a store and buy one after a NICS check and filling out a 4473, why the heck shouldn't the police sell them and put some of that money back into the community?

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